Move vs Push - Controlling Ableton Live with the Move

[@SlowHoax]

Thanks for going deep into the Ableton control for the move.

[@johnpaultumsun]

For sure, hope it helped! I meant to mention that when Ableton started teasing the Move, I was hoping for a more portable Push. That ended up not being what they released, but for me I've found it's capable enough when controlling Live.

[@buddhablack3316]

This is the video I've been waiting for thanks

[@johnpaultumsun]

Hope it helped! I forgot to mention that when Ableton started teasing the Move, I was secretly hoping for a smaller more portable Push. That ended up not being exactly the product, but for me I've found it's capable enough when controlling Live.

[@inkapmusic]

excellent video thank you so much for doing this deep dive!!!!!!!!!!!! if Move is anything like Note, then the tempo is set by interpreting your initial capture. on Note it will judge what you're doing and match it to a tempo that matches the speed of what you initially did, but i think it also considers a hierarchy of instruments and sounds, so like if i then add a drum track and start capturing there in a way that doesn't closely match the tempo set, it will readjust the tempo to match what im doing in the drum rack instead. i think its really cool because it lets me start off with experimental sound design that will be set to a tempo that matches how im thinking of things in my head

[@anton826]

Finally a good Video that actually answers the obvious questions. ❤

[@owlmuso]

Useful comparison. Thank you!

[@johnpaultumsun]

Thanks for watching!

[@owlmuso]

@@johnpaultumsun Yeah man, keep up the good work!

[@billpayer3745]

There is a workaround for the lack of tap tempo on the Move. In a new session on the Move, tap any pad in the time you want to play, either tapping along to a sample, or just what’s in your head. After that, hit the Capture button, which then sets your session tempo (BPM) based on what was captured. Voila!

[@johnpaultumsun]

This is a great tip!

[@nukenoly8751]

The Akai Push remains a great Live controller for around $100 now. You can buy skinz to cover the sticky mess. Love the Move though. Ultra fun and versatile 😊

[@bodhibeats8257]

Great video. I picked up a Move and wondered if it might replace my Push 2. I *think* I had decided it will not…but I agree with you that it’s closer than I might have expected. I’ve been *really* surprised just how many updates Push 2 has gotten as Ableton has rolled out Push 3. It really can do nearly everything Push 3 can as a controller. Both Move and older Pushes I think are really viable choices for controlling Live.

[@breslin44]

Move will definitely not replace your Push 2. They are quite different devices

[@johnpaultumsun]

For the reasons I mentioned in the video, I'll probably never get rid of my Push 1, but the Move is essentially replacing it as my primary controller for Live. Love that the Push 2 is still so relevant, coming up on 10 years old!

[@pw6002]

@@johnpaultumsun Push 2 is a great device, I use it for 4 years now and it even has improved since the Live 12 update.

[@chrisreaktor5355]

i´ve seen many negative videos about the move, what is not is...but i don´t think is a bad gear and i can use it also in a live situation. Thank´s for your thought´s between the move and the push..these are really important information.

[@johnpaultumsun]

I'm glad you appreciate it, I'm pretty darn happy with the Move, I think with every piece of gear it's about weighing the capabilities vs the workflow vs the cost, and for me the Move is pretty close to the sweet spot!

[@avemeends]

You can repair the plastic studs on the push with superglue and baking soda

[@johnpaultumsun]

🤔 interesting, I might have to give this a try - thanks!

[@BloodmoneyPerez412]

Can you chop samples easy with the move in controller mode like you can with push/push 2? Or do you have to set the slices manually and convert to drum rack?

[@ProCB10]

Is there a way to control switching sounds in library with move?

[@cloud_noises]

I'm surprised you didn't talk about the simpler integration. I have yet to see anyone demonstrate whether the move allows you enter slices on the fly in a "lazy chop" fashion. Have you tried that?

[@johnpaultumsun]

I'm hoping to make a more deep dive video into certain uses in Live, and Simpler is on my list! Just so you know though, yes you can "lazy chop" using manual slicing on the Move, and you can even do some slice management by deleting or nudging slice points. When doing all this you'll need to keep an eye on your computer screen though, no graphics like on the Push 2 or 3 to help guide you.

[@Coldlife565]

Sorry if i missed this in the video but how is the track select on the move while controlling ableton? Since ofcourse u have more than 4 tracks available on ableton

[@johnpaultumsun]

I meant to include this but I think I lost the footage! When you're in session mode on the Move, you can use the "odd numbered" step sequencer buttons (or the left-most of the two step sequencer buttons below a column of pads) to select and record arm a track. Double tap to fully record arm. The right-most (even numbered) step sequencer button will stop all clips during playback for that column. And the main track at the far right can be selected the same way as other tracks, and the very last step sequencer button on the far right will stop all clips (but not stop playback). Hope this helps!

[@ExequieelSanpedro]

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[@pidgeo202]

nice Analog four ;)

[@johnpaultumsun]

Thanks! What do you think, does KZbin needs yet another Analog Four video? It's from 2012 but I think it's still one of the best synths on the market!

[@pidgeo202]

​@@johnpaultumsunI yea i love my A4 mk1 too. it's an all timer for me :)

[@SirionMusic]

Can you record automations with the encoders in controller mode ?

[@johnpaultumsun]

Yes! But you can't "capture" automation on the encoders using the capture button like you can capture notes, you'll need to record arm a track and record like you normally would with MIDI or audio, so keep that in mind.

[@valdir7426]

so can you confirm there's no way to control several banks of parameters on a given plugin (native or vst)? this would be the only feature I feel is missing for the controller mode. btw hundreds of videos about the move and this is the first one I see that talks a bit in depth about the controller mode; which is in itself almost a reason to buy the thing. I don't get it. This is the mini push controller that would suit me; but it's still on the expensive side for just a controller and I'm not super interested in the standalone mode

[@johnpaultumsun]

So far as I've found, that is correct, the Move is limited to only controlling the first bank of eight controls for any device. I actually cut a section of the video where I explained that I was initially disappointed by this - or rather, that I was initially excited about using my Push 1 to access multiple banks and nearly every parameter of native devices when I first got it, but that I found myself preferring to slim down the default controls on devices rather than paging through so many banks. So for me, the Move fits my workflow perfectly, but it's definitely a limitation compared to the Push or even some other Live controllers.

[@valdir7426]

@@johnpaultumsun I know what you mean but I like having at least 16 parameters assigned; like on synths I usually use roughly the same assignation and I like having access to the two ADSR envellopes. I you have more banks than that then it can ben confusing. Of course for ableton devices it doesn't apply since you (sadly) can't reorder the controls. What's cool is when you have only 8 controls accessible ableton uses a special parameter bank called BOB (best of banks) which will try to be the most useful parameters on 8 knobs (you've maybe noticed that; the controls will be different on your push 1 and move for ableton native devices). I wish they would simply allow access to customisation for how you order things for the native devices though (there's a config file with all of these infos but it's not easy to work out)

[@valdir7426]

@@johnpaultumsun also I've put the novation launchkey mini mk4 on my list because it seems to be a very good live controller (including a sequencer and global session view controls). The only thing I wished they removed is the keyboard to get to a move like format (also it's really not a good keyboard).

[@GoldFivee]

How easy is it to navigate through clips and scenes on the move?

[@johnpaultumsun]

I think it's pretty easy actually! I have used the Launchkeys in the past, which allow you to navigate the session using only two rows of pads - that was quite limiting, but even still there were times when I would use it. Unless you are stacking 7 or 8 track with an equal amount of clips for many scenes (4+), I think it's pretty easy to keep track of where you are using the four rows on the Move.

[@HIFI1965]

I know you are addressing this as a Live Controller, but you can really pick up a Move and throw it in a bag. The native workflow is super easy.

[@johnpaultumsun]

Absolutely, love what you can do with it standalone - and I love what it can do controlling Live!

[@samprock]

I like Move more then Push3 to control Live. Capture and Undo button are very close and I’m lazy 😂

[@johnpaultumsun]

Yeah the ergonomics are a plus for the Move in some ways - having to use shift for so many functions isn't ideal, but it's definitely less spread out than the Push!

[@lme4339]

6:13 this is happening to most soft touch plastics. It’s disgusting.

[@CmdSoda]

both

[@FSK1138]

upgrade to push 2 the push 1 really sucks

[@word2RG]

we all have the trash coating and Ableton doesnt give a single f

[@theinvisibleman-e8v]

This comparison makes no sense.

[@tommm4989]

Nah dude this comparison is great for people who just want a live controller and think move might be their best cheap option. I'm surprised it took so long for someone to make this video

[@johnpaultumsun]

Hah yeah you're probably right, there aren't a lot of people out there torn between buying the Move and an original Push. But I think the video shows that the Move holds its own with Ableton's one-time flagship controller for Live. And given that a Push 3 is twice the price of the Move, and a used Push 2 is about the same price as a Move right now, I think some folks might consider whether or not a Move is good enough as a Live controller - on top of being an excellent groovebox!

[@kylebija]

Nah, this was exactly what I was looking for.