The Secrets of Dumbledore Screenplay is WAY Better than the Actual Movie (Should Have Been a Book)

[@theicelord8588]

She should’ve made it a book series honestly

[@shadykitty7493]

100%

[@artfoex]

Yess!

[@GGG_CheeseQueen]

Agreed

[@worldwidegamer7937]

Honestly, depending on how many more movies the series has they should hold off on those for a bit and let her write a book series first and then pick up where they left off with the books as a reference. It would make the future movies more straightforward and less confusing

[@akshaygoyaldr]

She could do it now. Just write it into novels now.

[@jasonrobbins6944]

I think she should novelize the existing 3 films, instead of just a screen play. If they do release #4, she should play to her strengths and write it in novel form first.

[@dazzlingburritoes5693]

This is #3.

[@jasonrobbins6944]

@@dazzlingburritoes5693 sorry… must be stuck in trilogy mode.

[@Ab_obla]

Yes all four should be made into novels

[@shakycameratheater]

She's more worried what the mob wants. She's backed herself into a corner and refuses to admit. Her way of book first works for her

[@talithalannan1653]

I don't think it's entirely J.K. Rowling's fault. I think it's also Kloves and Yates' fault. Even if Rowling struggles to get her ideas across on film, it was supposed to be their job to fix that. I think if you can point out all the differences then they should've noticed too.

[@HamazuraGOD]

Is Kloves even involved in Fantastic Beasts

[@wochenente6977]

@@HamazuraGOD he cowrote the screenplay

[@HamazuraGOD]

@@wochenente6977 Ahhh okay, thanks!

[@crappymcdick]

Lol lol not how that works. These movies are flawed because of her. Kloves might be an issue as well, as clearly the latter 3 of Yates' Potter films being far more flawed than Order of the Phoenix, but even with that they still good movies I'd argue.

[@alexlazzerly3677]

Yeah, it's all of their faults. Filmmaking is a collaborative process.

[@dodybruh2524]

A thing I really hated in the film is the drastic change to Grindelwald's character. In TCoG we see him as a man who wants to conquer the wizarding world to reveal the wizards to the muggles so they don't have to live in the shadows anymore. But in TSoD he is just Voldemort 2.0, they took away all of his character and made him a generic villain. I always loved the scene where one of his followers kills a baby and he is just staring at the void in melancholy, sad for killing an innocent soul. But in here there is no trace of that respectful wizard. What a shame

[@robertwolfgan]

"I always loved the scene where one of his followers kills a baby" ... Remind me to never make u angry

[@themarvelboy3818]

Your actually completly wrong. In SOD he's fixed from being a generic villain

[@bradyburick1367]

I'm pretty sure there aren't any changes to his character it's just hard to see because it's a different actor.

[@calvinkopp1735]

In Crimes of Grindlewald, he was just lying to his followers and other wizards to get him on his side. Telling wizards and witches that they can live and mate with Muggles was all but a bunch of lies.

[@abominable.7800]

yeah and in TCoG during grindlewalds rally speech he says he doesn't want to kill the muggles that they arent entirly useless but can be used in other ways to benefit his cause.

[@marcelsgroot]

She should just kept making books and let others do the movies. Just as how it was with the Harry Potter series. I am still stunned why she does not do the same with Fantastic beast. Writting books and screenplays is totally different and not everyone has the talent for both. She is a great writer of books. Just not as good with screenplays

[@realfangplays]

Because she likes (is obsessed with) working with David Yates. She writes other books under her pseudonym and I think they're good.

[@joshuaplumb9213]

Exactly, should’ve been like the hunger games where she wrote the books for the prequels then a movie gets made based on that book

[@Cllocopine]

The problem is, writing a book takes a long time. Adapting a book into screenplay takes a long time. It would’ve taken way longer for any movies to be created from the fantastic beasts franchise and movies make more money than films so Rowling probably just wanted to get straight to the massive income.

[@joshuaplumb9213]

@@Cllocopine Yh but I’d rather it take longer and be good than be quicker and be mediocre

[@meganesenpai]

Yeah, and may be she can be added as an advisor or executive producer to review the screen play to see if there is anything contradiction or not fit to fix it, not the main writer.

[@ConstanzaRigazio]

My Screenwriting professor in Film School used to say: “if you can’t see it or hear it, you can’t write it on a screenplay”, to stop us from using metaphors or comparisons which cannot be translated on film. Screenplays should be action, visuals, dialogue and sounds, not “feelings” or “extra information”. If you want to convey information, you have to put it in visuals and/or dialogue/sound.

[@orderudmysterier]

Agreed! Some like to blame the director, but how could the director possibly transform metaphors into visuals upon receiving a final draft when everything down to sets, budget and schedule are set in stone?

[@raminybhatti5740]

At the risk of stating the obvious, film is a visual medium. As much as I love literature, writing for film is in itself an artform. It should be respected. A literature writer should possess a little more humility when making the transition from writing for books to writing for film. Expecting to "make it" merely on the basis of one's name or reputation is egotistical.

[@Otterwriter245]

Personally, my favorite fantastic beasts film is still the first one. I don't think that the politics is the wizarding world's strongest aspect, especially when it comes to translating it onto the big screen. The first film was much more creative and felt a lot closer to the magic of the og HP books.

[@GGG_CheeseQueen]

Totally, the first one is the best fantastic beast movie

[@adoniscreed4031]

Its probably everyone's favourite as its actually a good movie...

[@samuelblachon95130]

Fantastic beast is the star Wars prequel trilogy of the Harry Potter saga

[@airpodsmurf6175]

first one actually focused on animals but took a turn for the bad introducing grindelwald

[@spaceodds1985]

No question about it. The first film is easily the best.

[@jmp_jayperproductions]

She honestly should’ve made it so that Elphias Doge wrote something to counter Rita Skeeter’s book, these movies should’ve been those books

[@dazzlingburritoes5693]

This is better than anything WB could think of

[@janealupe9259]

Yesss!!!! I Always wanted her to release Rita Skeeters book, like how she did Fantastic Beasts && Tales of Beedle The Bard, in the characters POVs. But, thissss sounds sooo much better!!!!

[@kellysouter4381]

That's a good idea, I'd have collected and read those books. I've not bothered to watch the movies.

[@ChienaAvtzon]

The twist about “The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore” is that Rita Skeeter wrote a historically accurate book.

[@jmp_jayperproductions]

Besides the part about Kendra keeping Ariana hostage and Ariana killing Kendra and Albus killing Ariana, besides that 10/10

[@anonymousgaslighter345]

I've been saying it from the beginning. The fantastic Beasts franchise should've been a book series and it's not too late to start writing the books from scratch

[@knowing.africa]

It’s never too late. I pray for this everyday!! 😩😩

[@spaceodds1985]

Fantastic Beasts should have been a stand alone three film adventure series. And not a facsimile of Potter.

[@emilyk2424]

I so wish it was!

[@charlie7694]

And imagine how much more details we would get! The books have always so much to give than movies or Series!

[@Shtriga_34]

Honestly, like please just write ANYTHING about the wizarding world. We'll buy it !

[@annabelleimiri1015]

I honestly felt like JK Rowling should have released the Fantastic Beast series as books first and then the films like she did with Harry Potter.

[@calvinkopp1735]

Exactly! That would’ve made a lot more sense and a lot less controversial.

[@artfoex]

I think so, too. I'm a big fan of the original 7 books and I DID like the first fantastic beasts movie. Since I didn't like the story of the 2nd as much AND they kicked out Jhonny, I haven't even watched the 3rd. And I bet I would have LOVED the books... if they existed as such...

[@Sipu97]

@@artfoex The third one is better than the second one, although still horribly not in line with Harry Potter. And I agree about Johnny Depp's treatment, but to me Mads Mikkelsen is a better fit for Grindelwald. Or maybe it's the weird look that they gave for Depp's Grindelwald that I didn't like as much.

[@matthewhindmarsh9084]

I’m actually beginning to think that J.K. Rowling’s writing isn’t the problem. Based on people’s experiences with the screenplay, they are well written. I think the blame lays entirely on the filmmakers who just aren’t adapting her descriptions on the page for the screen. Rowling’s descriptions may be more akin to novels, and as a film student myself I know that that’s usually considered a no-no, but in the case of Rowling, it helps get her ideas across. The production designers, art directors and everyone else in the art department are doing amazing at adapting Rowling’s descriptions, but I think David Yates is just not giving them as much focus as he should be. The editor as well literally has the script to reflect the ideas and emotions intended in each scene and yet they too seem to fail at adapting what Rowling has clearly written on the page. That being said, I’m surprised so many people were confused by parts of the Secrets of Dumbledore. I understood everything that was going on, especially the part with Grindelwald killing the Qilin because it wasn’t showing him to be a pure soul. So I’m not sure why others were so confused

[@nm-cj9rb]

i agree wit you on the screenplay part she put in lots of description so the art department and editor and director knows the plot and what should be reflected. But i also agree with the video, the whole mirror dimension and all that was not even explained in the movie that it became confusing i also found the killng curse not killing the animal immediately odd as that wasnt translated well in movie along with the Quilin not bowing to grindelwald but honestly the quilin hardly looked him in the eye which made it bit difficult to tell. all in all i really liked the movie but i agree parts of it like mirror dimension and the fact they fought yet no one noticed in real world confusing as no direction or dialogue was given for it. Hopefully next movie will be better having a little more knowledge on why grindelwald hates muggles would be good just to see why hes the way he is . For example with voldemort you know that he wants to live forever and finds dying a weakness and we know the whole background of his mother father and uncle and that he was raised in an orphanage conceived under a love potion so cant really feel emotions or percieve love, you sort of see why he became what he is, with grindelwald that is missing and that is a drawback knowing the intentions or why grindelwald is doing what they are doing is important

[@matthewhindmarsh9084]

@@nm-cj9rb I can understand people’s confusion with the mirror dimension to an extent. I think it was intentional for the audience to be confused at first as this would place them in Credence’s position, hence also why Dumbledore says “things are not quite what they appear”, then shortly after we have the rotating transition from the mirror world back the real world - that to me is good visual storytelling, especially the fact that the real world is visible in the water’s reflection in the mirror world - but I can understand how people may have missed that and I suppose it doesn’t explain the “how” of it all. However, I think this is one of the difficulties of these films is that you can’t spend time explaining every bit of magic, otherwise you end up with so much dialogue that will eventually take up space for the progression of the story: after all, the progression of the story would take precedence over the explanation for the magic used. I think when Grindelwald kills the Qilin makes sense how it is now: the Qilin refuses to look into Grindelwald’s eyes because he is no way pure, but again, in saying that, I can see how it would have been clearer to have a moment longer where the Qilin does look into his eyes and turns away. I do agree with the killing curse and the adult Qilin at the beginning, though. I remember now that I was confused as to why it took two hits for it to only just die, though at the time I watched the film I thought it was because the creature was extremely pure, which turned out to be wrong on my end. So, that aspect definitely was lost in translation from page to screen and I understand everyone’s confusion. But yes, I absolutely agree with everything you’ve said about Grindelwald and his background. Hopefully the next films will be made and we get to see Grindelwald’s backstory (especially seeing as Secrets of Dumbledore wrapped up a little too neatly to the point I’m not sure where the story will go from there). However, I also think it’s important to note that Voldemorts backstory is kind of glossed over in the Harry Potter films, the only reason we know so much is because we had the books to fall back on, which is not the case with fantastic beasts :/

[@amirhossiengh6848]

Exactly. Media tells these horseshits according to their dirty policies. What's to us that Rowling thinks that earth isn't round?! What's it to do with her art? Movies got lower and lower because Rowling is anti-anything...? Directors, producers, company... what about them? How an unknown lonely poor woman turned to a billionaire as she just wrote a novel? Now she can't write? How she could write the first fantastic Beast script and now she's cripple? She's so good, not extraordinary nor perfect but good to very good. And about movies... Not just this movie, HP's franchise sucks too; just 3 firsts are good and successful in many ways or at least acceptable. Blame is on directors, filmmakers and producers. No HP book could become less than two part movies! Perhaps 3 firsts are successful only because those had lesser extending important objects/subjects worth much for picturing and visualizing per story and due to a cinematic work; Plus, Chris Columbus & especially Alfonso Cuaron (don't know how's exact spelling) had done a very great job. But it seems company don't want to pay attention; They're just businessmen not artists! They even don't want to risk to give us an extended version or at least, more than two hours and one quarter movie! But making bats, spiders, heroic teenagers-liking marvel shitty works multiples every year, playing a weakened meaningless game, a copy of an imitation... day after day, it seems that's ok!

[@Sipu97]

You understood the "mirror world" just like that? You understood how Jacob was able to be in Hogwarts? There are just so many plot holes and new magic that was never explained and doesn't line up with what we learned in the books. What I had a problem with was that the world and magic just didn't feel like Harry Potter. I loved some aspects and this movie was definitely better than the second one, but it just won't be canon for me.

[@matthewhindmarsh9084]

@@Sipu97 Yes, I did. The scene played out visually, exactly how it should when it comes to filmic storytelling. Dumbledore blew a drop of water through a window and it burst on Credence’s forehead, that doesn’t just happen for no reason. Then, the city sounds fade away and the environment slows down, implying there is magic at play. Dumbledore uses his deluminator to remove the light of the mirror world, which then accentuates the puddles of water where you can see clearly the real world continuing as normal. It was very clear to me that it was a mirror world constructed by Dumbledore through some powerful display of transfiguration: I imagine it’s similar magic that allowed Dumbledore to hide the philosophers stone in the mirror of erised. Also, regarding Jacob, it can be inferred that the charms protecting Hogwarts from muggles can be lifted for certain individuals. I personally loved the magic in SoD, it was far more creative and present then anything we’d ever seen in the Harry Potter series, but also, having read the screenplays, there’s actually not that much new magic; there are quite a few familiar spells that you wouldn’t know were used because they weren’t spoken in the film. Also, it’s only powerful wizards such as Dumbledore, Grindelwald and Credence who are using advanced forms of magic in these films because, well, they’re powerful wizards

[@charplaysadoptm3]

Rowling really should have turned it into a book as it could unlock loads of things we never understood or saw in the movie + I think it would be good if you did a life of Gellert Grindelwald

[@PolishAxolotl]

YEEESS

[@ryanwalker8843]

The explanation for why Grindlewald hates muggles so much adds a lot to his character, and easily could of been worked in as dialogue from Dumbledore.

[@Drace90]

Really seems like most of these are David Yates' fault, not Rowling's. It's not the screenwriters job to translate a script to the screen, it's the director's. I would agree that Rowling is WAY better at writing novels and is inexperienced when it comes to screenplays, but even that - trimming and polishing scripts - that's the director's responsibility. Scripts are never carved in stone during production. They are always subject to change, based on what the director thinks would make a better movie during production. And that this is something David Yates struggles with immensely has been very apparent even during his Potter films. I just fimd it so weird that we always blame Rowling for all these things just because she has the most famous name in the credits. I mean, you barely even mentioned Steve Kloves in this video who wrote the script just as much as she did.

[@orderudmysterier]

I find it weird that Kloves didn't rewrite some of the more novel like qualities of the script. I mean the information about Grindelwald's past is interesting, but ultimately useless when it's not converted into dialogue or intercut with a flashback. It's not the director's responsibility to visualize such narration details on the set with an extremely tight schedule. Yates is not a writer's director, he has admitted such himself and trusts his screenwriters to do their job. And I find it obvious Kloves should have helped Rowling rework certain things that reads more like a novel than a screenplay.

[@Drace90]

@@orderudmysterier That is very much a director's job though. He is responsible for the entire project from a creative standpoint. First thing a director usually does is trimming the script - which is NEVER perfect at the beginning. (You can find first drafts of most Hollywood classics on the internet and it shows you that.) He can meet with the screenwriter for that or straight up order a new version with his direction. It's his job to make everything work. And as I said, that seems to be something he is consistently struggling with, which is probably why most of his movies seem so wooden.

[@alexdredge655]

I just finished the screenplay when I saw you uploaded this. I read it in one go and loved it. It definitely explained some scenes far better and if anything it enhanced the movie for me as things weren’t so confusing now like the duels etc. great video

[@russellandrewbennett7849]

I think something I admire about your video making is that you can (at least from what I perceive) tell that you have a good time making these. All the videos, while information, also come off as fun.

[@jeast417]

It seems to me that the people who enjoy reading the books more need them to understand the films. The 2 big fight scenes you talked about I understood during my first viewing. I couldn't necessarily describe the magic, how it was done or the items used to do it but I understood what was going on.

[@sawanna508]

I understood them too. There are other things I didn't understant right away but I was never confused. I'm one of the people who enjoys reading the book but to me reading is a lot like watching a movie so it maybe that my brain adds things that are not written out. Still I would love to read those screen plays rewritten as novels. But this video also increased my interest to read the scripts as they are.

[@BlackKnight_217]

Great video. One small thing, watching the movie the first or second time, I actually got that Grindy wanted to check whether the baby Qillin would bow in front of him or not and only decided to kill it because it didn't bow. I never even thought about the "So needy" scene in relation to this one before watching this video.

[@CJDM310]

I always assumed certain magical creatures didn't die the way humans did when hit by the killing curse anyway. If it was so easy to kill a dragon, for instance, they'd make a poor Gringotts guard. We've also been told that magical creatures such as dragons and giants are tough against magic in general, so it wouldn't be surprising to learn that extended to the killing curse.

[@thesciemathist6035]

I honestly didn't think about that.... Makes me no better than the Wizarding sheep of the Wizarding World, blindly trusting the Ministry's lies...

[@dvdv8197]

So THAT was the ACTUAL secret of Dumbledore! 😀😉

[@Amy_jo_]

This made me laugh, thank you

[@PitchforkStudios]

My thoughts are they should go back to how the writing happened. Have JK write the movie as a novel, her way. Then adapt that into screenplay and get Order of the phoenix's screenwriter Goldberg on it. The way he adapted 5th which is the thickest book, was brilliant.

[@Nathan35077]

So… you’re saying the screenplay is great, but the people who translated it into film did poorly. And that makes her at fault.. weird 😂 I’m not disagreeing they should have been books. And then someone else turn them into films, like the HP series. So we have films that grasp the general idea, but for more in-depth storytelling we can read the books. But the fact that the screenplay was good, and the movie was MEH, means her writing is still good. She didn’t film the movie… she wrote it. Which you’re commending. So.. I’m confused.

[@malachifranco7594]

He’s saying it should have been a book because Jk wrote it that way. He’s not blaming her for the film, he’s saying she wrote the script as a novel, because she did.

[@Nathan35077]

@@malachifranco7594 if she wrote the script as a novel, and you can purchase it as such, then she did write a book.. either she wrote it as a book or she didn’t.

[@notordinarynothing]

He's saying than in multiple instances the scripts are good as books but not as screenplays because in a screenplay you have to give content and information through dialogue (things like the name of the characters). Then he is also saying that there was also a problem in translating her description to the screen.

[@Nathan35077]

@@notordinarynothing you’re right. He did say in multiple instances that the writing was good. And then said multiple times how it was her fault the film was bad. She wrote it, not directed it. So it’s not her fault they adapted it poorly. She wrote exactly what to do, if they followed it exactly it would have been good he’s claiming. So that couldn’t be her fault. I’m not saying whether it was good or bad, I’m just pointing out faulty logic. I havent read it.

[@acealpine6806]

@@Nathan35077 Exactly. WB needs need talent to direct the HP films and another screenwriter. Kloves mucked up the original series. Their job is to adapt her ideas to film. not go over her head by ignoring half her wok only to fill that in with something even worse.

[@MrNeogoyal]

After watching your video, I am considering purchasing the screenplay book, as I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and I'm aware of the flaws but the 3rd fantastic beast movie was very close to the Wizarding world lore and If I loved the movie, I'm sure I will enjoy the screenplay even more. Thanks for another awesome and insightful video.

[@edschelchang6123]

Did you read it yet? If yes what do you think?

[@MrNeogoyal]

@@edschelchang6123 Nope, wasn't able to purchase the book and it wasn't available online.

[@stitchilonka]

Thanks for making this video. I always suspected that something was missing when I watched the movie and I still hope that one day she will rewrite the screenplays and release them as novels.

[@emperor_msk]

Some fans actually doubt that WB is able to actually finish rhe last two films, but I remain hopeful.

[@calebgoodman3028]

They stated that the future of the series depended on how much they make on this film. So I suspect it’ll take a long while.

[@The_Bashar]

Having watched the first video and now this, I will say that inasmuch as JK is not an accomplished screenwriter, the director and editors (who are more accomplished) REALLY dropped the ball in interpreting the screenplay to the big screen. It’s not just on JK

[@leafyveins4985]

Love the new aspects/format in this one, the intro was really funny! Great video, as always. Although I did like Crimes of Grindelwald more than Secrets of Dumbledore, and the first one is definitely the best.

Dude I appreciate content like this that you make so much. Thank you!

[@luckimonster2298]

I actually liked the movie 😃 BUT! It wud seem there were much needed clarification that were missing in the book 😊 Ty for clarification.

[@darthharbinger1183]

I've always believed that she should have made proper novels after. Adding or removing as much as she wanted, not screenplays.

[@joshz2491]

This movie was one of my favorite in the entire franchise, and despite some lack of context compared to the screenplay it had a pretty engaging and personal narrative. I like it better than GOF, HBP, DH1 and COG for sure

[@wildbelugabearsasmr7661]

What is "COG"

[@thebabenarixx]

@@wildbelugabearsasmr7661 crimes of grindewald

[@BL-mf3jp]

I hate how DH2 isn’t in that list of yours. GoF was way more entertaining than that turd.

[@ravenregards]

I don't know the intensity/time difference that goes into writing a book vs a screenplay, but it makes much more sense to have an established book and then make a movie from it as was the case in the Harry Potter books. This method for the Fantastic Beast movies seems backwards/reversed and makes it like look like you're just making things up as you go along especially without the screenplay comments. Having said all that I still enjoy the Fantastic Beast movies because I really want to see them tie into the Harry Potter books/movies and hopefully when it's all said and done there will be a cohesiveness.

[@jkrause365]

I never realized the screenplay had been released in book form. Good video.

[@dunkbuscusgaming7016]

Good to know that the Screenplay book is finally out, I didn't go to the cinema to see the film specifically because JD wasn't returning, so to be able to read the book and imagine him saying the lines is gonna be great but I'm glad that it explains things a lot better too.

[@Great_Mr.A]

This is a movie by Steve Kloves. Jo's script was so different, in particular about Corvus V, Aurelius and Queenie's storylines

[@harryabelpotter9630]

Do they have the original screen play script that was so different.

[@07avanichandra8a7]

Hey, Morgan, i just wanna say that i completely ADORE your work, and while i really love your Harry Potter vids, the thing that first drew me to your channel was your percy Jackson content ( specifically, the one where you roasted the first film) and we haven't had a pjo vid in a LONG while, so, take your time, but after the one you're planning, could we plz get a pjo vid? Awesome work, btw.

[@purpledeer1]

i WISH she'd made these novels instead of movies. Still hope she does.

[@kelinnaidoo5290]

To be honest, the first Fantastic Beasts movie still holds up as a standalone for me. Even if the ending hinted at the whole Grindelwald storyline. But from the three Fantastic Beasts movies I always rewatch the first. The second and third is definitely incredible but the first always felt like FANTASTIC BEASTS to me. Love the video and keep up the great work 👍👍

[@that.canadian.vaper.guyTCVG]

Rowling's writing style is not made for film, when translated, it just doesnt work. A films narrative has to have 3 acts, that all build into a crescendo that ties all 3 acts together. Her books use the Hero's Journey writing style and she uses a 7 act journey throughout the books. Which is why the books have such in depth, flawless and amazing storytelling. They all build up to the crescendo of the novel while taking you on the hero's journey, and we grow alongside them. Trying to translate this into a 3 act film, is just not possible. At best, you get a movie as good as Order of the Phoenix, when you have a competent screenplay writer and producers to translate the book into a film, then a director then has to bring that vision to life. But Rowling writing the screenplay herself, was exactly why we got clustered and almost suffocating scenes. Take the scene with the planning takes place on the train with our 7 heroes. Even though they explain the plan, it felt uninspired and almost nonsensical as to why they were brought together. Then the scene with Grindelwald and the Qilin, where he replaced the Qilin with a dead one that would do as he pleases. It gave you no narrative on what Grindelwald was up to in anyway and made no sense. Its almost like the movie was supposed to have a narrator that was supposed to explain the scenes, but it wasn't added to the final product. Rowling just does not know how to keep what works, take out what doesnt and highlight the plot and focus on the story thread. Shes just not a screenplay writer. It would be much better if she wrote a referential short story with the major plot points, then hand it to the studios writers and producers which they can turn them into a compelling script and screenplay.

[@Nymerya91]

You made me want to get the screenplay... though I actually loved the movie and honestly wasn't that confused by the fight scenes with Aurelius and Grindelwald.

[@ichliebebaeumeweilbaum]

Omg now it makes sense that he killed the chillin (?) I was so confused T-T

[@Jillsy8121]

I would love ALL 3 movies as books. These films did not immerse me into them as the original HP films. I think the almost all CGI surroundings. Are the other 2 screenplays released as books? edit: I just found them on Amazon!

[@realfangplays]

Crimes of Grindelwald screenplay is also better than the movie at times. Grindelwald's speech being the exception because Johnny Depp is Johnny Depp

[@Stark.ae734]

Fun fact: if you pause at 1:30 then if you look closely at the bottom you can see that it says “Professor Eulalie Hicks” so if you payed SUPER close attention you would’ve known her name before reading the crimes of grindelwald screenplay

[@heymagicalday]

As soon as I saw this movie I thought “I wonder if this would be better in book form because things would be explained more.” Im glad to know I’m not the only one and that it’s probably true. This makes me really wish Rowling made this a novel series instead, but maybe I’ll try the screen plays.

[@Kelseyalicia]

We don't have a bookstore in my town anymore. Nor do they sell many books at retail stories. After watching this? I'm going to have to see if I can get that screenplay off Amazon. Because you definally made the point that we need to read it ourselves!

[@johnginardi8107]

I personally think J.K. Rowling should have written the fantastic beasts stories as novels. That is what made her popular in the first place.

[@spaceodds1985]

I’m not a Potter fan and having rewatched all the Wizarding World films over Christmas, having not seen the Potter films since their initial release, the first Fantastic Beasts film was easily my favourite of the Wizarding World franchise. It was a stand alone adventure film that opened up the wizarding world, it introduced four potentially interesting characters and it was a fun well paced film. Crimes and Grindelwald and Secrets of Dumbledore drew these films back to Potter lore and just screwed it up IMO.

[@CallemJayNZ]

Thanks Man 🥰 I watch your videos sooo many times, especially anything to do with the "Wizarding World" Your voice has this calming effect on me, to the point where I usually put one of your videos on to help me sleep. Gentle and kind voices really do go a long way in preparing the mindset for a sleep devoid of nightmares. I think you're super attractive as well, yet you don't give off an arrogant or cocky vibe which is an admirable trait in itself 😊 Some people are boring and repetitive with their version of a review but after all of the time you've spent building and producing this "Boss Ass" compendium of reviews, you've managed to fine tune and master your art which really makes it your own. I've seen others trying to copy your approach to reviews but wish they'd just stick it out and form their own style. Btw you really should be on the Fantastic Beasts editing team, the scene where you edited the "look" exchanged between Yusuf Kama and Queenie Goldstein was actually pretty cool 😀 Anyway, I forget to leave words of encouragement or comment on videos as often as I should, KZbin wouldn't be KZbin without all of you talented content creators. All the best in your many endeavours. Hi Lokei 😘 All the way from rural New Zealand, Callem-Jay

[@Emerald_Vizsla]

Really strong video. You helped me understand more of the film. I agree with nearly every comment. One thing that strikes me is the difference of time stopping in the final battle and not stopping in the mirror dimension. Due to the lack of understanding of either phenomenon as new magic to the audience, I also was convinced it was the same type of event. I think it really doesnt support the film to have had 2 similarly visible showdowns that operate very differently. Not to mention that the mirror dimension seems pretty powerful and was never an element previously. Having used both reduced the impact either one would have had whether we understood the magic immediately or not.

[@olivierlechapeau3089]

I have always loved "Fantastic Beasts" films, and I have always found them very rich and that they allow us to discover more about the wizarding world. But I realized that it was mainly thanks to all the books that explained behind the scenes, like the scenario books, the Dermot Power art books and the Minalima books. That's why I like these films so much, it's because the books bring more richness, which allows you to appreciate the film more afterwards. They enhance the viewing experience. I loved Secrets of Dumbledore - best of the three in my opinion - and can't wait to read this one. I think Rowling should have written Fantastic Beasts novels first and then made them into movies, like Harry Potter. The result would have been better I think.

[@robertbench5187]

It actually made me enjoy the films even more knowing the details.

[@lucabestea6844]

Quite a great explanation. You honestly helped me clear up some things like the place they dueled. I though they were somehow trapped in the blood pact. Not too different from the truth😏. And about a scene in their duel where it's as if they did priori incantatem, which caused quite a lot of confusion, I do have an explanation: 1.Either a move happened which is unknown to the wizards, one I call the yin yang movement, which happens between a thestral hair wand core and a unicorn hair wand core(which proves dumbledore's first wand hair unicorn hair inside it). It can sometimes challenge their owners to fight harder to somehow make themsleves see who's the better dueller(an idea I picked from one of your previous videos about a unicorn and a thestral). Or 2.because the elder wand can do unique movements like repair a broken wand, it can also do a move similar to priori incantatem that show who the superior wizard is and if that move is successful, the opponent's wand gets destroyed, if not, well the elder wand is pushed to the limit, but isn't destroyed, but starts to compare these 2 duellists. This was a big explanation, but still, it was worth doing it. I wish you all the best.

[@Zajurawerlde]

One thing that would be cool is like they did with Star Wars is make tv series and that way it might be a bit easier to do you know like if one episode isn’t so good then the next one could be better Btw nice video Morgan❤️

[@giannagarda7598]

No doubt! I think the deleted scenes should be included in the book/script too, because they give a better idea of Albus's plan. Despite he says there's no plan at all, I think his plan is to countersight Grindelwald, not only to (personally) defeat Grindy, but to save Credence (not letting Grindy see it). And the blood pact - both Albus and Grindy looked suprised when it started to break - more should be written about that.

[@SeanMonk]

Would you ever do a video like this about the Rise Of Skywalker novelization? Comparing/contrasting the book/film? Would love to see a video like that

[@cwwedits]

I dont care what you say. J.K should have stayed as a novelist. What drove her to become a screen player? I don't know. But I do know that she should play to her strengths more than anything. It's not too late (at this moment) to start from scrap and write a novel. I feel like it would do the Fantastic Beasts series justice.

[@calvinkopp1735]

Rowling should write the books about Fantastic Beasts, then adapt them into big screen with new filmmakers and their crew but same casts originally.

[@calvinkopp1735]

Or she could write a stories and then have the screenwriters write the movies themselves.

[@18SuperSam]

Tbh I’ve watched maybe two Harry Potter movies and have read none of the books, but I still like watching these videos. Keep up the great work!

[@anonymousgaslighter345]

Do you mind audiobooks?

[@diana050661]

Harry Potter is my comfort zone so hearing you continuously giving us Harry Potter content is amazing

[@roguishowl3915]

I stopped at the 7 min mark, not because I was bored with the vid-the complete opposite, I became excited to read this “book” and I didn’t want any spoilers 😅😂

[@TheWhovinerd-1963]

I’ve said since the first film that Rowling should have made them a book series instead of screenplays. It’s obviously clear that she is more experienced in novel writing than screenwriting. Just reading a few passages in this video you can tell that she’s writing it like a novel rather than a screenplay. I honestly don’t know why they thought it was a good idea to make them into screenplays instead of books. If I’m honest I just pretend that the screenplays are books. It’s less annoying to me that way. Perhaps the biggest disappointment for me in this film was the portrayal of Grindelwald. I just found it to be pretty luck laster and as if it was missing something. His plan confused me until about the third act as the film didn’t do a great job of explaining it. I also felt the reveal of credence being the lost son of Aberforth wasn’t as impactful and as shocking as it should have been. It just kind of gets mentioned and no seriousness to it. Tbh Ik you mentioned comedy in this film but I personally didn’t really see any. The film had no light hearted moments at all. The only thing I can say that I really enjoyed about this film was Jude law’s performance as Dumbldore. I love him as dumbldore he gets the calming wise side of dumbldore correct. You may disagree which is fine to each their own. I hope that if they do make a fourth film that they let Rowling write a proper book instead of a screenplay. Xx

[@aford563]

This guy does his research! Love how in depth he goes

[@acdevmyles]

I think I'm in minority who didn't really care for "Where to Find Them" and much preferred "CoG," all I saw was a movie about a magical zookeeper whoop-tee-fucking-doo, now when "CoG" came out, I was like now this is what I'm talking about this seems more adult wizardry, don't get me wrong it needed more action, but I actually preferred it, now with "SoD" I freaking love it, but I wanna see more magical fighting, like a movie that has a good storyline, but a grip of duels, team/group battles, and I haven't gotten that yet(i feel like we gotta taste of that in OotP, and a magical war in DHp2, but i need something that's gonna drop my jaw), oh and what I wanna see more than anything is a fight between Vinda and Lally, but the order I most enjoyed is 321 in all honesty

[@vailant]

I wish they learned from their successes and failure for the next one (assuming they're not canceling it). I agree entirely; writing a screenplay is very different from a novel/story. We kinda have to focus on visually descriptive writing.

[@HarryPotter-gf2pf]

TO: Movie Flame ... Put the blame where it belongs ... Steve Clovis, who wrote 7 out of 8 HP screenplays, was responsible for all previous gaffes, goofs, and gaps between the books and the movies. Knowing that book writers are notorious for an inability to transfer books to screen, WB holds the main responsibility for seeing that justice is done to a work. JK has not failed Harry Potter fans ~ Clovis, Yates, and WB. failed ~ Stop blaming JK. ~ Sadly, Finding a movie that stays true to the book is more rare than a Qilin. Think about it. If you can easily point out problems between the screenplay and the movie ~ why didn't Clovis ... that's what he got paid for, wasn't it? It seems like the only thing that the professionals at WB have done is steal JK's ideas and done what they wanted to with them and made money off of her. JK gave WB a perfectly beautiful script and they did not do her ideas justice... and, unsurprisingly ~ that's what the Ministry of Magic and big companies are known for doing to books, writers, content creators and the little guy ... or so says Harry Potter.

[@lmc6301]

i completely agree

[@saianmalsetty2145]

I love your addition of your tweet about how bad Warner Brothers is at damage control.

[@thewargodking5463]

We appreciate your work simultaneously watching the film and reading the screenplay haha

[@wildbelugabearsasmr7661]

I love the beginning skit thingy

[@LucySmile01]

I liked the movie!! I can't wait to read the screenplay!!

[@jpruedag]

We all like to complain about Rowling's screenwriting but you mentioned something a couple of times here that needs to be acknowledged: David Yates is not a good director. In the original series he used the books as a clutch, leaving all sorts of information out under the excuse anyone could pick the books and understand what was going on. He is doing the same here, omitting details even if they're in the screenplay. He doesn't care because it worked before and expects it to work again. (E.g. the two-way-mirror. If he made the choice of removing it from Order of the Phoenix, then you have to figure out a way to introduce it in Deathly Hallows, not just put it there. And it wasn't that hard, really. Harry could've found the mirror at Grimmauld place, see Aberforth's eye and then take it thinking it was Dumbledore's reflection. All he needed to do was have a dialogue where Harry confronts Mundungus about stealing Sirius' property, then Mundungus could admit he had stolen and sold one a mirror. Then come back to it in Part 2 with Aberforth saying he bought it- It's a change, but better than nothing).

[@danielzapata7607]

morgan u 100% deserve 5 million subscribers dude

[@jamessssss0798]

That scene where Newt tries to rescue his brother from Erkstag Prison, those creatures that are the prisoners were apparently Manticores, which doesn’t make sense because that contradicts what JK Rowling described a Manticore to look like in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. I think it would make much more sense if she said that those creatures at the prison were Blast-Ended Skrewts from The Goblet of Fire book. It would honestly make much more sense, since those creatures had claws, stingers, and were able to blast that fiery substance! That’s what a Blast-Ended Skrewt does! She could have made a great reference to the original series but for some reason she went with the “Manticore” even though the evidence was right under her nose. What do you guys think about it, am I getting a fact wrong or should they have said that they were Blast-Ended Skrewts?

[@hassan55055]

I didnt buy the screenplay but watching this video, i realize i should. Maybe i just like reading rather than watching but i feel like i will enjoy reading the screenplay a whole lot. A LOT more than the movie actually. That said it think the movie was pretty good. I actually did notice the brief moment queenie and kama shared. It was not very obvious idk why or how i noticed it. I just remember watching and thinking did queenie read kamas mind? Would she tell grindelwald about it?

[@ohboi9578]

I mean she did, automatically. Obvously Yusuf's only purpose there was to get Queenie back to the good side. He could literally talk to her in his mind and convince her to go back to Jacob.

[@marcelsgroot]

Yes I had that feeling as well. I thought dumbledor somehow gave her a message that way trying to get her back to their side. And thought that was the reason he had to go there (at the moment of that scene that is)

[@s6r231]

I think she should have written novels for it and then they could have had a screenwriter adapt it for the screen. Then the movie comes out and coinciding with the DVD release, the novel is also released.

[@letsgets77]

Fantastic!!!! Now I cam watch Johnny finish his performance....... in my head. I thought I was gonna have to pass on this story.

[@JustPleinBilly]

How do you think the final movies would finish the story. I hope they finish the series. Yes I know it’s unlikely but that doesn’t change the fact that I want them too.

[@tanookijp]

Great video, made me want to go out and get the screenplay! Does the Grindelwald screenplay explain things better (like the escape scene in the beginning) as well? Love your content!

[@marybull3715]

Having first watched this video when you posted it, and not having seen the film. I bought the book, thoroughly enjoyed it, and feel I have seen so many clips from the film that I have actually seen it. Thanks for your videos you do such a great ob.

[@adamd5849]

Just gonna say something: the Knights of Ren not being named in the Star Wars Sequels wasn't a bad idea. The problem was not allowing them to be used as a bogeyman for the Resistance/New Jedi. Had they done that, everyone would have enjoyed their presence

[@taylorschmidt6657]

I thought it felt kinda weird when Queenie read Creedence's mind and basically narrated his emotions. It was like they had this passage about Creedence's internal conflict but had Queenie narrate it instead of showing it. It felt off. In a film you should take advantage of how much you can show not tell. It makes the film more engaging. So much of what was explained in the film was with dialogue which isn't inherently bad but it made watching the film feel bland at times. For example, I really think they should have shown flashbacks to when Ariana was killed in the duel between Aberforth, Albus, and Grindelwald that summer while Albus was telling Newt what had happened.

[@orderudmysterier]

I agree about the first example. It's just not very good writing. As for adding a flashback to the duel that killed Ariana, I respectfully disagree. Everyone assumes "show, don't tell" always means action over dialogue, but the scene does a good job of showing Albus' sadness and regrets about the event through HIS recollection of the events, rather than opting for an objectively shot flashback. The scene is all about Albus' recollection of the event many, many years later and thus I find it more compelling to show his facial reactions as he tells News about it from his point of view. The death of Ariana should be ambiguous because Albus doesn't know for sure what happened.

[@ShayGamerD3]

This is the movie with the worst box office in the franchise: $400m+ in comparison to $600m+ and $800m+ for the previous installments. Since the budget was around $200m it did not make its budget back (box office minus marketing costs and theaters' cut), being essentially a flop. It was already reported that making 2 more movies depends on how well this one performs, so I doubt David Zaslav is going to greenlight the sequel to this. More likely they'll develop an entirely new thing based on Harry Potter IP, perhaps HBO Max series, which is far less risky.

[@YungJ]

I’ll just keep hoping we get the Voldemort prequel series (books) someday

[@thebabenarixx]

the only scene i was confused with was the credence vs dumbledore fight cus i thought that the water drop was supposed to do something and i had completely forgotten dumbledore had the delluminator. i thought that time had stopped, like when he fought gellert, and they were transported underground or something. it’s nice that the screenplay clarified that. i really feel like jk should push to write the next one into a book if she can before we get the movie. i *really* like to know what im dealing with in a movie/show before i sit down and watch it, i hate being confused

[@camilaacosta2436]

I firmly believe that if she continued writing novels and improving that skill, and after that the screen player and movie director will have used the book to create the movie, all three films will be clear and entertaining.

[@orderudmysterier]

Me personally found it quite obvious that the qilin didn't like Grindelwald by the way it refused to meet his eyes. Later on we do learn why it matters to Grindelwald that the creature should bow to him and thus it makes sense in hindsight why he slashed it. It's not a random act of violence, he is just being coldly instrumental to achieve his goals, and I thought that came across on the screen in a suitably nuanced way.

[@LaggyKar]

Finally this explains why they got teleported to the Animus loading screen during fights. I was wondering about that

[@ericb642]

Definitely agree with what you said about some confusing moments in the film, like I think that the Dumbledore vs Credence fight is one of the worst and most confusing scenes in the FB series. That being said I still liked Secrets of Dumbledore because I felt some other parts of it improved on the writing of Crimes of Grindelwald. I feel like Dumbledore, Newt, Jacob, and Lally all got great character-defining introductions that we definitely didn’t get in the last one which really helped establish our investment in these characters (instead of just randomly reintroducing them in random settings talking about exposition). And they stick with a group dynamic in this one, or at the very least pair characters up, instead of having everyone out on their own solo mission with gives us more fun character interactions and doesn’t force us to have to imply everything the characters are thinking because they have no one to talk to. On top of that, while the plot is still convoluted in a few places I honestly found the storytelling fun of the characters having to follow Dumbledore’s seemingly nonsensical plan-maybe not the best writing but very entertaining nonetheless. SoD is by no means perfect (probably still in my bottom 3 Wizarding world movies), but it’s definitely an improvement on CoG and hopefully they get the chance to improve even more if they make FB4.

[@TheJadedJames]

I haven’t watched the movie. But I certainly felt like that with Crimes of Grendlwald, she should have just written a book however she wanted, and let someone else convert it into a screenplay

[@kimgrod]

I did not study filmmaking, editing, or screenwriting in college. From my ignorant point of view, if JKR provided the details - and she had help in the final version so it's not all on her - then why isn't more blame given to the directors and editors? My takeaway is, even accepting that her screenwriting ability may be lacking, JKR provided details. The final product lacks them. I don't see how all this is JKR's fault

[@BreakthroughEmpowered]

If its in the screenplay, even in novel form, isn't it the art of the producer, director to bring these details to life? Scripts are subjective and require translation by the cast and director.

[@jawstrock2215]

Yeah definitly should have been books for all 3, and let actual book to movie screenwriters do the movie scripts. would have trimmed a lot of unnecessary things, or too complex to film stuff. and it would allow us to really dive fully in each aspect and ideas of the movies.

[@pippintooks6553]

Come with me. I'll help you. He's your son Aberforth. He needs you - Dumbledore say intensely.

[@nicholasgrimmy]

The movies should have been a book series. Also-the fact that all that information was available in the original screenplay and WB’s and the coproducer failed to half way attempt the information, is a drop on their part. Rowling knows what she’s doing and how things should be-is she great on translating to screenplay, no, but she knows her world!

[@FehNix_14]

darn prime video i want to see the secrets of dumbledore but you have to BUY IT whyyyyyy

[@nifflerbricks6634]

me being a screenplay writer makes me like the screen play more but i do think it is a great movie to and great video

[@norric1]

While i fully agree that JK had problems with converting books to screen plays, I can't fully blame her solely for it. Everyone around her in the entire process of making the movie was aware of this, so much so that WB execs as you mentioned basically bullied her for her poor screen plays by having someone else rewrite it with her. So its really on the director reading those details and not finding other methods to capture those details. If he was a capable director he should have seen the shortcomings of the material he was working with and sought to find a way to improve it. But that clearly didn't happen. Most of the examples provided in this seems something that could have easily been adapted even if they do have a bunch of details, the fact is it was other aspects of movie making that dropped the ball, not really the script itself. If the actors acted the parts the way it was decribed in the script, if the animators animated the creatures to do what was described in the script, if the editors said "these detials from the script are completely missing from the current edit", if the director was capable of understanding that the details on the script he was working with werent showing up in how he was directing it. All of these things would have improved the movie, and were really outside of JKs control. Yes her script writing style is too heavily influenced by book writing. But that doesn't mean they were bad. You yourself said the screenplay as a book was great, so the fault seems to lie in everyone else who was involved in the process of converting that screenplay into live action. Again, not saying that none of it is her fault, she does have some blame in this. I just can't completely see her as the only fault in all this.

[@MrNeogoyal]

Dude, your research and video's are so damn good, OMG!

[@jamiepb8995]

Just wanted to point out that the "mirror world" in the Secrets of Dumbledore is very reminiscent of the "mirror dimension" in the Dr Strange MCU films. Both are alternative worlds that work very similarly and the film writers may have been inspired by some of marvel's ideas, I don't know. I just hope they don't incorporate a multiverse in harry potter, because that then would be taking things too far.

[@ItsTimeSteve_]

I haven’t read the book but I think the movie is good. I see your points and agree with the mirror world scene but not anything else. I do not have both sides of evidence so take my words with a grain of salt

[@SuperSnivMatt]

As time goes on and with the. Strained, to say the least, opinion of J.K, these sort of things just make me realize she really just is so caught up in the literally "magic" of what made her fly off the shelves that she remains unchanging from how she creates media regardless of how it is portrayed. Though I guess J.K does have an issue with changing, be it herself or others...

[@ivanfernandez3425]

The screen play sounds amazing and the only reason I can think of why the director didn’t add these scenes would be because of low budget or because he thought he would have a better idea then the script but obviously not I liked the film but like you said some scenes had no sense of what is happening