Why The MCU is Falling Apart | Video Essay

[@GetOverHer3]

"The MCU feels more like homework than an event" This line just describes the problem PERFECTLY

[@Happin3ess]

Yes. Very true. There's another stream series to watch so you understand the next film. Homework is a very good word to describe these new marvel films.

[@TabalugaDragon]

this isn't the problem. The problem is bad writing. "everything is separate" is what it was before the MCU, and it was OK, but not nearly as fun as the first 3 MCU phases and Agents of SHIELD which was basing most of its events on the movies. And that was the best time ever.

[@Scroolewse]

homework that people are paying for like lemmings lmao

[@ataridc]

The crossovers aren't necessarily the problem. The crossovers elevated the pre infinity war MCU and gave it a satisfying interconnected feel, the problem now is that it feels like they're leaning into nostalgia stoking or just purely to setup things that haven't had pay off. I think there's a bit of rose colored goggles here as well. There was plenty of duds and stinkers back then as well. A ton of "Are these actually MCU?" shows that flooded netflix and hulu for one example. (Daredevil is the one exception, but it's also better than anything in the actual MCU, soooo)

[@prezhenz6969]

Yea it’s “homework” to know about the source material so then you don’t bitch about everyone not being a rich white dude

[@janiecollins1240]

“Black widow was a disservice to Natasha. I think she deserved a better movie…and it should’ve been made a long, long time ago” PREACH!!!

[@sugar-cube09]

She is a bit overrated, I'd rather have a new Iron man film than get a new Black Widow film

[@MrMonkeMan141]

@@sugar-cube09 he specifically said they should have made it earlier, and I'd say she's perfectly rated if not underrated, I mean how many people do you know that say she's their favorite avenger?

[@ItachiXII]

Her Nightmare sequence in AOU was so damn brilliant & personally my favorite! I was young back then and thought “are they hinting towards a dark Black Widow origin movie? I wanted to see her movie ASAP as possible and you can imagine my disappointment

[@macpj12j]

@@sugar-cube09 it was very good movie though lol

[@thunderbird1921]

The fact that Agent Carter got something before her is nothing but a slap in the face to Natasha. And that show wasn't even memorable or important to the main MCU plot.

[@Nemesis_T_Type]

Just remember that Disney is the kind of a company that will sue a Daycare center for painting Disney characters on their walls.

[@natasha8007]

THIS! A million times over.

[@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460]

I love that Honest Trailers refers to Disney as *"The Thanos of Hollywood."* So true!

[@whatisthisnewfeaturehandle]

They threatened to sue somebody for putting spiderman on their dead child's grave. Fucking psychopaths. Stan Lee would be disappointed.

[@EclipseHedgehog]

Disney even kicked and spat on the grave of Bobby Driscoll the original voice actor for peter pan in that rescue rangers movie.

[@Edam-Channel]

Disney actually went to the US Supreme court to over-rule the US constitution to allow them to enforce copy right on their products forever.

[@gabidagabida]

The part about dumbing down male characters to make the woman seem better. ARCANE DID THAT SO WELL. They made amazing leads and gender didn’t matter, they were all amazing and shined in their own way. The men weren’t dumbed down and the woman weren’t toxic to them. They made all their characters good and the character development made them better. They weren’t afraid to let the leads lose they showed how it makes them strong and that they can get back up. They didn’t just make a guy in a woman’s body they made a well developed character

[@toasterbath7152]

I agree arcane did an amazing job of having strong female characters that were properly developed and not forced fed down your throat to parrot an agenda.

[@greenpinapple820]

Meh, arcane looked good. Other than that it is a product, any thing it could say it refused to so that it could be sold to as many people as possible. Arcane is nice but only in the ways its chinese overlords will allow.

[@SCJ_2001]

@@greenpinapple820 You must be fun at parties

[@ggowdy1972]

Arcane was pretty good, the writing was excellent and the characters well fleshed out and relatable. Unlike the current state of the MCU.

[@tmasst07]

Why didnt it make money?

[@fishmaster665]

The sad thing is, after endgame there where still obvious stories to be told Thor, Hulk and many others had unfinished stories yet they've done absolutely nothing with them, turning Thor into a parody of himself and forgetting Bruce existed

[@nolanwalls9894]

So true sucks really bad

[@windmaster9]

And now it's thor has a daughter and hulk has a son and she hulk dating daredevil like what?

[@Scroolewse]

That's something he kinda missed in the "M-She-U" portion. People aren't mad that females exist, they're mad that male characters are actively being sidelined to make room for them. Loki, Thor, Hawkeye and Dr. Strange are the big ones because they actively bait and switched us. Advertising shows/movies about a beloved character and then the main character is a female that's 10x better than the stupid and incompetent white man.

[@kind2rethink]

@@Scroolewse true but you could argue that they made a stupid amount of content for bitching about those decisions wich creates income for lot of channels and they dont care aslong as they got the attention ergo clicks and money

[@shawn092182]

@@Scroolewse "People aren't mad that females exist, they're mad that male characters are actively being sidelined to make room for them." Here, I'll make the correction for what you said. SOME people aren't mad that females exist, they're mad that male characters are actively being sidelined to make room for them.

[@jhellert1]

Disney forgot the golden rule of entertainment: "Leave the audience wanting more, not begging for mercy." After Avengers:Endgame, they should have taken at least a 5 year break.

[@mr.s6661]

You know what, that would actually have been really sick! I love the idea of that… though I don’t think the Disney piggy bank agrees. They have to keep making money so they have to keep making this stuff.

[@coltonhubbard96]

The pandemic got them 2 of those years. 😬

[@EddieNgatia]

Bro that would have been so amazing!!!!

[@danurkresnamurti3598]

How about hype sunset?

[@ahmadsajid4903]

They got the golden goose, they started exploiting it.

[@sakhile6460]

I think the real final nail in the coffin was Thor. Its one thing to introduce a foolish character but to take one people loved and turn him into a literal joke is something else.

[@rollotomassi4768]

As a person who loved Ragnarok, Love and Thunder was awful, dumb, and pointless. Oh my gosh. the 12th guns 'n' roses reference so amaze balls.

[@egt3588]

I agree with this Ragnarok is my favourite movie ever and love and thunder was so awful I fell asleep

[@Happin3ess]

Ragnarok was a touch of genuine. Good writing and good energy. Had a beginning, middle and end. Fitted in with while Avengers Thanos storyline. Was a brilliant film. Love and Thunder was pointless and all over the place.

[@windmaster9]

@@Happin3ess felt like love and thunder was made just to be made with whatever story they came up

[@Happin3ess]

@@windmaster9 the writing wasn't good, the characters seemed flat, the cancer storyline was too real and depressing, it overshadowed the main story. To me the story did not have a beginning middle and end. I wasn't that into it. It did drag for me. I really was expecting another Ragnarok.

[@queencancerous5332]

She Hulk: "I get catcalled!" "I have it worse than you!" She says to the man who was tortured by his father and had to grapple with the government hunting him down as well as the monster living inside him.

[@movieoverload]

Just highlighted the intelligence levels of the writers. I get the message they’re going for but angling it at Bruce to get the point across,like.. really?

[@surajwastaken]

lol typical gen z 😂

[@scotty776]

if you watched She-Hulk, saw Jen explaining to Bruce why her experience as a woman predisposes her to being able to control her transformations, and took this from it, you're seriously lacking media literacy. Jen: Sorry Bruce, but living as a woman instills a baseline level of emotional management that means I’ll never have to work as hard as you did at controlling my Hulk. People like you: so she’s saying she’s had it WORSE than him?!??! No, only a pinhead would think that.

[@scotty776]

and nowhere in the show does she say she had it worse than Bruce did! Have you even watched it?

[@nolives]

​​@@scotty776 she was making direct comparisons of herself and hulk. And shehulk is a shit shoe. Cope.

[@HondaAccordProductions]

The MCU after endgame is basically just a bunch of side quests/missions after beating the main campaign. The mcu needs to reinvent itself. It needs hero’s that could equal to iron man and cap’s charisma and position in the mcu.

[@jamesneese7663]

You didn't find SheHulk's twerking with Whatever The Stallion to heroic and self sacrificing and charismatic?! how DARE you, sir!

[@axelgranzini6797]

This!!! Captain America & iron man had years of build up. Phase 4 is 100% post main campaign bs

[@celtic19]

Na that’s such a good analogy it really does feel like when you complete the main quest in a rpg and now your just finishing off the side missions where there are some gems but a lot are just filler and subpar content

[@daedriangore9906]

Doctor Strange will be that focal point I feel.

[@LilReesey79]

@@daedriangore9906 he’s Nerfed already

[@BecauseImGabbi]

I definitely agree with the quantity > quality problem. As a more casual fan, it was easy to keep up with the entire cast for Endgame. Then all of a sudden, there was a huge influx of new characters and stories. I felt like we got no time with any of them so they become kind of forgettable and overshadowed by w.e the next marvel character show/movie is

[@calovaryii6238]

That’s what quantity of quality means. They focus on putting too many movies out the writing was mid at best

[@BecauseImGabbi]

@Calovary II Yes, I was agreeing lol.

[@reheyesd8666]

I was pretty disappointed with end game and now I just can't be bothered to watch any of them. I never really watched much MCU and that will remain imo

[@ekopermana7150]

Now i just watch recap of MCU film 🤣

[@jayw3512]

Dumb new characters at that, who just don’t move needle. Some hero’s don’t translate to big screen, and that’s ok. She-Hulk, Kamala and Cassie are examples. We don’t want them. Kamala comics don’t even do that great. Also, these characters mentioned, aren’t good actors in these roles. Cassie acting was terrible in Antman 3. Kamala is a goofy unserious character. Kate Bishop was fine. Iron Heart is another. We don’t want it.

[@omaridaniels8427]

I do agree that T'Challa could've been a great candidate for a future leadership going forward in the MCU, but no one could've seen the real life circumstances that struck.

[@karandarade4654]

Marvel could have easily recasted the character, but no we need female empowerment and more woke agenda.

[@blakebuckley1018]

@@karandarade4654 is all female lead roles Woke to you?

[@twentysecondcenturywoman]

@@blakebuckley1018 apparently. With what disney is doing I genuinely don’t blame people for seeing that. They’re making every single female lead so bad that it’s now making everything female “woke”. it sucks this is happening.

[@blakebuckley1018]

@@twentysecondcenturywoman yeah guess that’s true but there are some good female leads I did enjoy Kamala Khan

[@drewdabrew4745]

@@blakebuckley1018 wakanda forever is dummy woke wym

[@kiwiicrab]

The MCU right now is what I expected superhero movies to be like, before I started watching them

[@gingerbreadmen5401]

Yesss 😩😂

[@1neminutebonk3rs3]

26:25 Someone finally said it.. T'Challa was the guy to lead. He was so insanely calm. And he was unique like Cap and Stark. Stark had his tech, Cap was soldier with an spirit that is unrivaled, And Black Panther was the ruler, who always made the right choice.

[@Scroolewse]

he was a good character himself but I hated everything about Wakanda

[@1neminutebonk3rs3]

@@Scroolewse wakanda was so gay hahahhah

[@MadLadMax]

@@Scroolewse EXACTLY SO HOW WITHOUT CHADWICK DOES A SEQUEL WORK YKWIM

[@Scroolewse]

@@MadLadMax It doesn't work. It's going to flop. And just a reminder the blue checkmarks are telling non black people we aren't allowed to watch it on opening weekend so we don't take seats from black folx. If you want to be a better ally don't see it at all! Those tickets are for black folx ONLY!

[@Money.Rocks.Podcast]

and now RIRI is STRONGER than ironman HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fuck this movie

[@christianfoster9485]

I hadn't thought about how much the MCU is missing Tony and Cap but that is a great point. The dynamic between those two really carried a lot of the MCU

[@Infern0121]

It does miss them, but had they not made Thor a joke, had the guardians had a good film come out, had they done something actually good with OG's like Rhodey and hawkeye, had they not ruined Wanda, had Loki been actually good, then we wouldn't be missing them as much.

[@88cameras]

I wonder if this dynamic was supposed to be filled in with black panther and another major char like Read Richards or something.

[@Adontheimperfectionist]

I disagree, even if they were still there they would've fucked it up still.

[@young7670]

@@Adontheimperfectionist L take🤡🤡🤡

[@Adontheimperfectionist]

@@young7670 Ima clown? lmfao they would've went this direction regardless, wouldn't have mattered... the whole MCU is going in this direction, 2 characters wouldn't save anything. I want them back just as much as everybody else if not more but Marvel is going down the worst path they could possibly go.

[@brebmann]

You hit it right on the head with “the MCU feels more like homework than an event”. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard of a new show coming out and I sigh and shake my head and I go “but I haven’t even started that other show yet” and I don’t even feel motivated to watch them, I just don’t want to “miss out” in case it ties in somewhere else to the MCU.

[@s2019x]

bang on

[@Funfun6000]

Yall mofo dramatic lmao. It aint that deep.

[@fatalaudios]

literally what i was thinking. cant be bothered keeping up with half-baked shows. wished they took their time on their shows. :/

[@amadeolopez76]

Well said. I feel like "I have to watch" rather than "I want to watch"

[@Sarappreciates]

Too many people treat the MCU like Pokemon. You don't gotta catch 'em all. MY husband of 30+ years has been a comic collector since before I met him. Like most comic readers, he's a specialist on his favorites, and he knows less about -dumber- uh, _less beloved_ titles like The Eternals. We could never afford to possibly buy him ALL the comics and ALL the side quests, and that's how his subscriptions are planned. He subs to just the ones he follows, and he says most of the crossovers are still fun. What I really wanna know is WHEN we're gonna (if ever) gonna get even just a little *ELFQUEST* on the big screen.

[@yurisei6732]

What's weird to me about phase 4 is that there's so much coming out, but so little seems to be happening. Half the projects don't even have their own significant plots, let alone any form of overaching plot. The entire phase so far has added up to just the suggestion that there might be some multiverse stuff in phase 5 and it might be fun, maybe.

[@VincentTornude]

Losing Cap and Tony was a good thing, story wise. The problem is how they followed it. Instead of taking time to actually plan the phases, they rushed in an attempt to try and keep the momentum going. Resulting in serious continuity errors and a general lack of cohesion between the stories they're telling.

[@baironbreak]

Momentum is a key word. They should have kept the continuity but they should've built momentum from the ground up to a peak as in the infinity war. And get some good writers, the dialogues feel waaaaay too dumbed down.

[@josh7916]

They rushed it cause of Disney plus

[@OGPimpin]

They should have ended it.

[@thatstheway2429]

I keep hearing different arguments. Sometimes it's that it's rushed, sometimes that it's not picking up quick enough. It can't be both can it?

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Exactly...Feige had no plan so we're stuck with this crap and hopefully they come out with something better in the next phase

[@dyslexicstoner2408]

I feel like Thor could've been the next leader of the MCU. He endured so much tragedy and sadness, they could've made his entire story in Phases 1-3 one big origin story for the most selfless, empathetic, unwavering, powerful leader the franchise has ever seen. Because he lost everything. He literally blames himself for the snap. Kind of like how Wolverine became the leader of the X-Men due to his personal tragedies making him a legendary leader. A story like that with Thor would be something that has NEVER been done before in such a well developed way. Literally a Shakespeare-level journey. He would've had the tragedy, charisma, amazing story, unwavering moral compass, and power to be a suitable successor to Cap and Tony, if they kept developing him correctly. Marvel's new "anchor" character. Thor blames himself for the snap, which caused Endgame, and then Tony and Cap die because of something he thinks he caused... if that isn't a PERFECT tragedy/catalyst for Thor stepping up to the mantle then I don't know what is. But no. It just seems like Marvel is making the worst possible decisions they could make right now. And even if they were unsure if Hemsworth would sign on again in 2026 - that's still ok. If he became the leader for years and then they killed him, it would've been one of the most legendary deaths to grace the screen and would've been a catalyst event for the growth of other heroes and the next leader. That is how good epics work.

[@ricardomilos10]

But cis white male bad duh

[@sohaibhamdan2114]

Nahh they rather choose to make fun abt thors life rather then making him a good character

[@king_vision4085]

Spider-Man is the new leader

[@andyman6347]

I thought Tom Holland's Spider-Man was going to be pushed for the next 5-10 years.

[@rassslinRant]

Yeah, I watched Love & Thunder and felt that the character had REGRESSED after spending ten years of watching him grow. Then I found out plenty of other people had the same thought.

[@yeah_i_likeCartoons]

With the MCU going the way it is, I sure hope WB and DC take advantage of this and finally put out consistent good content

[@versecontro4898]

Unless they go with the Snyder verse I don’t see it going well. He set up Darkseid and The rock had to actually convince WB to keep Cavil as Superman.

[@sam1286]

dc animated shows >>>

[@MaleWingDiver]

@@versecontro4898 would the aquaman, suicide squad, and wonder woman films fit with the Snyder verse?

[@versecontro4898]

@@MaleWingDiver honestly I tried watching aqua man and both Wonder Woman movies and fell asleep so I couldn’t tell you. I guess suicide squad could if you write it well enough.

[@pakdepakde631]

after hearing the news that they put James Gunn as CEO of DCEU. Hopefully, they will become better.

[@Arcanelake98]

I’m so glad you said Civil War because that truly was the MCU’s crowning achievement. Winter Soldier is up there for me, but nothing had me glued to the screen like Tony when he said “I don’t care, he killed my mom” and the fight between them. I thought Cap might actually kill him. It was brilliant.

[@ChadAV69]

Yeah civil war is one of the best mcu movies

[@scottb3034]

imagine thinking the character with the most self-control might kill a character he clearly was only trying to disarm the entire fight. that said, civil war is great, it just isn't Winter Soldier.

[@TheManofTomorrow2013]

Civil War represented peak MCU...but for me Winter Soldier was and still is the best MCU movie.

[@wilm2109]

I think part of its fatigue, there's no catharsis to be had in a story if it just keeps going forever. Endgame was such a finality to a decades worth of films and it did it marvelously. Now all that's left is a bunch of left-overs of much less interesting characters and less interesting stories. It's like enticing people with a bag of chips after they just finished full course, gourmet meal.

[@loveaboveallelse5789]

100% agree

[@soulless2169]

So they should wait till were hungy?

[@wilm2109]

@@soulless2169 Actually not a bad idea, MCU is suffering from bloat and overexposure right now. It would better to slow down production and only release a handful on shows/films for a year or two and THEN try to make a big comeback with a fresh slate. It a better option than stringing people along with crap-ton of mediocre tv shows.

[@SirIsaacClarke]

50 percent fatigue, 50 percent lower quality content being put out.

[@shadowofthenamelessking]

Don’t think superhero fatigue is the problem; there are millions and millions of comic book fans who love these franchises and will support it no matter what. The fatigue is coming from poor writing and stagnation, the MCU isn’t trying anything new enough to justify any further following. Eternals tried to be different but failed, and that hurt because I honestly liked the Eternals and appreciated how they changed the MCU’s landscape. What the MCU needs is to bring in well written characters to take the place of Iron Man and Captain America; they need new leaders because right now there aren’t any. Doctor Strange got sidelined in his own movie, Thor is a joke, and Spider-Man just isn’t cut out to be the leader. Also, the MCU needs to drop the leftist politics, this is a big reason why many people aren’t supporting these projects anymore, especially the comic book fans who actually care the most about these projects and will pay the most money toward supporting them.

[@Folkeregor]

The big thing is that you're right; they can't make another high-stakes event like Endgame, so Marvel needed to lean heavily in the opposite direction- Focus on events that are deeply personal to a character, and risk destroying "their world" instead of "the world" -Which also doubles as a great way to know characters and what drives them, especially new ones for a new generation

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

(SPOILERS FOR BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER, DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT!) I think they pulled that deeply personal direction off well, with Shuri reacting to not only her brother's death, but her mother's later on in the movie. Namor (Or K'ulk'ulkan) also provides a great foil to Shuri, who wants to avenge her mother's death.

[@alexandriarennie5992]

Then when we love this new gen we can look at an end game like event again

[@alexandriarennie5992]

Like they can do it again but they're gonna need to be patient enough for us to fall in love with these new character and give us reasons to ofc

[@TheRealLittleBIGhead]

Too bad they didn't do that very well

[@neonoah3353]

People think that the stakes are important, they arent. They can make a movie with a villain that can destroy a city, or maybe they want to kill 1 person in particula, but its not about what they can/want to do, its about how they get there, how the story is writen.

[@dim300]

Couldn't agree more. As a Marvel fan that watched all the movies of the Infinity saga and now just completely apathetic to the whole thing. I couldn't put out in words what so bothers me about this new phase. You described it correctly and still did it without the somtimes mean spirit of other MCU critics.

[@bjcantrell1990]

Can't really blame critics for being "mean spirited" when the MCU itself does the same thing to it's own audience. Case in point: she-hulk.

[@zzkidgunnerzz]

Talking about Tony and Steve brought a tear to my eye. We really didn't know how good we had it.

[@SlamBolts]

I think the main problem is everything is a setup and cannot be completely enjoyed by itself. Everything is made for the service of something else and therefore isn't the focus, which leads to sloppy productions that depend on a future or previous project.

[@jaypaul15]

+1 Lots of Marvel fans I argue with tell me to wait for the next big thing, they are always saying stuff like "Oh just wait for the Ant Man film you will get to see Kang , or wait for the next Avengers films" like bruh wtf what am I supposed to do till then? Watch these mediocre shows? lmao

[@mortazam.qassem5194]

YES!!!

[@benjaminparker1653]

@@jaypaul15 you shouldn't have to see these crappy shows while waiting for the next movie, the movies should be enjoyable without the shows

[@benjaminparker1653]

each movie should be enjoyable by itself without having to watch the other movies

[@AlSween]

I think that's what people expect and they end up disappointing themselves by trying to look ahead,

[@enigmadrath1780]

Caught myself by surprise when a friend asked me if I was going to watch She-Hulk and I just went "Man, I'm tired". I genuinely am. I know people heaping hate on it because some think its gone too woke, but for me that sense of specialness(??) has worn off. Instead of one or two movie events per year, now its just a flood across all these platforms. Wayyy back in the beginning, when you had something like Daredevil, you didn't have to watch those to be able to follow the movies. I liked the idea of keeping the movie verse separate from the TV verse as they're on different scales but compelling in their own rights. Now they've pretty much made the TV series mandatory, using them to build up the characters who will appear already established in later movies, so now I HAVE to watch all those shows to enjoy the MCU? Nah, fam. It was a helluva fun 11 year run, but I'm taking a break.

[@A-TALKING-TOASTER]

Yeah like seriously what do I look like having to watch video essays to watch a movie

[@papuanewguinea7596]

It’s a ploy to get Disney plus subscriptions

[@Sarappreciates]

OR, just hear me out, maybe only watch the ones that catch your eye? I mean, *have you ever MET a comic book collector???* I don't know any collector that can afford to collect every issue of every title ever published. My husband is a life-long collector of certain titles, but he's not pressured to read EVERY issue the way movie fans seem to feel pressured to view EVERY new MCU production. Nobody with a life can possibly catch all these movies, series, AND the comic books! Most comic book fans are specialists in the specific titles they read and pay attention to. *Nobody expects you to be an expert on all things MCU.* In the end, I think they're just trying to make a little of something for everyone. The Mouse bought this HUGE list of titles. Don't tell me you wouldn't try to make some bank on each one if you were a Disney exec.

[@Sarappreciates]

@@papuanewguinea7596 Have you ever been inside a comic book store? There are more titles than anyone in their right mind would attempt to claim to have read them all. In a *MULTIVERSE* there are infinite things happening all at once. Unlike Pokemon, no comic book collector can or will catch 'em all. The point is to offer MANY titles that attract MANY different kinds of readers... There are kid comics, adult comics, girl comics, boy comics, boy band comics, and so on... It's a smorgasbord meant to offer something to appeal to just about every possible taste. LOL, in any business, the point is to PROFIT. There's NO SUCH THING as the Disney executive who voted to buy all these MCU titles, and now wants to NOT use them. The bought these titles to USE them. Your use of the word "ploy" is goofy. Exchange it for "strategy," as in a "business strategy." As a long time comic fan, I can recall spending hours of fun talking with fellow comic collectors about how we'd cast each of our favorite characters if our fav comics ever got made into Hollywood movies, and THIS has all been a dream come true except for a few people who can't understand what it means to NOT WATCH EVERY MOVIE EVER MADE UNDER THE MCU BANNER.

[@enigmadrath1780]

@@Sarappreciates Hell, even comics need to "reset" their universes every 10 to 15 years because all these storyline become too convoluted and need to be stripped back down to new(er) origins. And even then, these are screen adaptations, not comics. You can read a comic book in a matter of minutes, whereas movies and especially TV series take at least a couple of uninterrupted hours. Funny thing is you're saying exactly what I'm saying: I don't need to watch these, so I won't. The problem is that Marvel WANTS a steady viewership across all shows and movies, and are making them more and more intertwined to make viewers feel compelled to watch if they want the whole picture, but this strategy just might backfire if viewers go "Well, okay, I guess I don't have to watch all of them". For these adaptations to get sequels and spin-offs there has to be sufficient audience interest (and cash, because that's all the studio cares about) and if you start splintering the viewership that has made the MCU the media giant it is today then you also hurt newer titles coming out like Ms Marvel because the viewers will just prioritize the ones that catch their eyes. Instead of relegating what appears to be a future big name in the franchise to streaming, why not start off phase 4 by giving Ms Marvel her own (origin) movie? Streaming is big (albeit already starting to show the cracks) but it still feels like spreading Marvel properties thin when what made the MCU so popular was that it was a cinematic experience.

[@Barbossa-vg8gx]

A qoute from a guy who was reviewing the writing of Arcane said a thing I really liked "Dont write a strong female character, write a strong character that is female" I really liked that as it is really that big diffrence from a strong female hollywood character and an actually good writen character

[@HeelBJC]

This basically sums up why audiences responded so well to Wonder Woman, cinematic flaws and all, but were more split on Captain Marvel. But God forbid you have that relatively common opinion or you'll get labeled every ____ist word under the sun by a small, yet extraordinarily vocal and extremist subset of people.

[@Horus666]

Is this Fiona from shrek 🤔

[@wheeliesmalls9464]

Rhea Seehorn in Better Call Saul is an excellent representation of a strong female lead.

[@RM-cn8pw]

A difference that you can’t discern to save your life. As you’ve evidenced here.

[@RM-cn8pw]

@@HeelBJC It quite literally doesn’t though, because both Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel were written the same. Also, you won’t get labeled as said ist words if you simply don’t act those ists.

[@stevenclancey1947]

After Endgame, I had a good feeling like this would happen. In the comics, I thought it got confusing and went all over the place when they took the MCU into other worlds. In the comics, it’s freaking cool and amazing, but it’s so hard to convey all of that on the big screen. I knew general audiences would get confused and the MCEU is losing me and I’d imagine, most audiences.

[@omerosman1280]

after I literally stopped and didn't watch any more mcu except love and thunder, to me after Endgame it was done the mcu peaked...think they should have gotten new ips or whatever

[@andreiiacob2605]

I remember RDJ saying that there is no MCU without him,at first i took it as a joke but now i understand that he wasn't joking and that he was right.

[@prezhenz6969]

The joke is that he wasn’t even going to be in the MCU. And if he hadn’t been how many of the people bitching in these comments wouldn’t have even watched the movies in the first place. I really think there’s not enough cis hetero white men in movies today! 🤮

[@StridentCandy35]

the reason the avengers was so amazing when it first came out was bc the entire cast had clashing personalities. the mcu is starting to make every single character have pretty much the exact same personality so it’s just boring at this point. the entire point of the avengers is to being completely different characters that have to get over differences and work together. not just people making dumb jokes and twerking together.

[@og_ktg]

Agreed. They just don't have the personalities anymore, at least not with the way they've been writing.

[@purefoldnz3070]

its formulaic, like every movie is premade with the same quips, bad jokes and generic CGI noise. It feels phoned in.

[@JamesFaction]

how is "every single character" having "the exact same personality"? I see a lot of different individuals from different backgrounds reacting in different ways to different situations. Many of the plot points are pretty formulaic but hey that's expected and has always been the case. Please give examples? I don't see this "exact same" thing at all

[@whenallelsfails21]

@@JamesFaction every single character is comic relief. Hell the most serious character we've had recently was shang chi and I constantly forget that's even a marvel movie because of it.

[@bigheadrhino]

Totally. They even totally changed Dr. Strange’s personality. He used to be dead serious and highly competent, now he’s a fumbling goofball.

[@GrizzlyBearWithInternet]

Imagine if the MCU just ended with Thanos watching “the sun rise over a grateful universe”

[@nine-toedsloth7168]

I hoped it would when I saw it in cinema.

[@oldhead3091]

@@nine-toedsloth7168 I’m sure it did in another universe

[@zequack]

When I first saw Infinity War in theater, I didn't jnow there was a followup planned So at the end of the movie I was surprised and quite impressed that Marvel had such a ballsy dramatic ending. Then the friend I went with laughed and told me "nah man, there's the second part coming in 6 months"

[@robertwilson3866]

One of the most pathetic things about the MCU is when a character dies - you are 80% sure they will come back. If it's not time travel there will be some multiverse explanation for a reset. It removes all meaning from the series.

[@darthkai3621]

@@robertwilson3866 just like the comics…..

[@SporadicV2]

I think what I liked most about Shang-Chi was how solid it felt on its own, it didn’t hinge on the overall MCU plot-line, but it succeeded in giving a genuinely good story. The score, visuals, acting, motivations, characters, it was all perfect and felt natural.

[@tiahere8499]

yes it didnt hinge on the overall MCU plot-line but it also expanded the world a lot and provided some explanations to questions i dont think anybody was even asking about iron man 2. plus it had likeable characters with visible flaws and trauma

[@delusion5867]

that's similar to the reason I enjoyed moon knight, there were minimal references to the wider MCU and, honestly, I don't want moon knight anywhere near the MCU, he's just better on his own.

[@katfans7124]

Until the ending where they fight huge cgi dragon lol

[@delusion5867]

@@katfans7124 but you can't deny that the huge CGI dragon looks cool af

[@homeone01]

@@delusion5867 it was so lame.

[@GuillRickard]

This inevitably happens to any franchise that goes on for too long, there's no way around it. After a certain point there's no way to top what was done before without making things ridiculous. Also, I feel that watching the mcu is just too much work now. If I need to have watched 30 hours of movies/tv shows in order to understand everything in a movie, I'm just not gonna bother.

[@goran5530]

how ever . why not treat super hero movies as super hero movies. for me it doesnt matter that "it went for too long" just go make a movie where you pick lead hero and few other heroes, throw in some bad guy or few bad guys. make epick show of insane power levels and super cool fight scene and thats it you got your self perfect superhero movie. Stop trying to make super heros into romantic movies.

[@willissudweeks1050]

Yep it’s too much and an overload of info and stimulation. Super hero movies were awesome in the early 2000’s before they over did it.

[@planguy9575]

No, this isn't what happens to every franchise that goes on for too long. The idea that "The MCU is popular, so we don't need to put any effort into it" is what makes it bad. If effort was put into the shows they could still be good. Star Wars or Superhero film fatigue isn't real, the content just started to suck.

[@HeelPower200]

I never felt that I needed to watch anything else. They make everything ready for consumption even for those who were never caught up. That's actually part of why its not so fulfilling to keep of everything they release.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

Honestly 30 hours of a show just to catch up isn't the biggest problem It's 30 hours of a show where you have to go onto wikipedia to see when you should watch them all. It's not like a 900 episode series where you can just sit down and start watching, it's a meandering maze of bullshit. Nobody ever gets this right, hell even the streaming services struggle to handle the way shows are made these days. Obviously making the next game of thrones episodes into a different show makes sense on the surface, but deep down it will only generate the same issues over time, you could literally skip a season of a show because it lists them weird. It takes a lot of effort to catch up with the MCU, at least if I want to catch up on Disenchantment I can just hit the play button and let it run till I'm up to date.

[@randm4246]

The issues with the MCU can be summed up when Jennifer Walters advised Bruce Banner that she has to control her rage infinitely more than he does just because she is a woman, completely dismissing the trauma that Bruce has endured both in the comics, and the MCU. Lost me there.

[@baxatakbaxatak2014]

K.E.V.I.N. That was Feige basically standing on the table, pulling down his pants, and showing everyone his dick. That was the Denzel Training Day “I’m the man up in this bitch! I run shit here, you just live here!” moment. This guy is just an egomaniac with an echo chamber.

[@chimchimsjamkookies4242]

And actually insulting women by implying that we're always hormonal.

[@foreverraining1522]

Because that's that woke bullshit

[@marthademovimaus5140]

Why even make it a contest? They should have the hulks bond over stuff that makes them mad.

[@Despair505]

It's a terrible moment but it definitely doesn't sum anything up

[@KingDuken]

I completely agree with your assessments here. I feel like I'm so behind because there are so many TV series where many of them end up being absolutely bad. But if you don't watch every TV show, you'll miss important context. I don't want and shouldn't have to watch terrible shows to understand some context behind any movies.

[@tenzinplays2k138]

you had to do that in phases 1-3 as well doctor strange was mid but you needed to watch it to understand a lot of context about infinity war or incredible hulk and avengers

[@Not_Soundwave]

That's exactly how my dad feels about MCU. Why should anyone have to sit through a ten-hour mediocre (or worse) show for a two-to-three-hour movie that turns out to be just as bad? It feels better to cut and run.

[@ThatBunniBoi]

@@tenzinplays2k138 I’m not sure about that. I’ve never watched incredible hulk and I barely remember Doctor Strange. Avengers is pretty important though.

[@alpha-cf2oi]

"important concext" my guy its time for u to adress some priorities in ur life lol. dont be a geek.

[@GentlemanGaming1122]

@@alpha-cf2oi Says the one who has low effort grammar. 🥱

[@jellyfsh5621]

I totally agree with the Wanda vision assessment. It was such a cool concept and style and then for the finale they just went full cgi superhero battle which didn't match up at all with the original vibes.

[@marcmitchell2288]

"You either die a Hero or live long enough to become the villain" really suits the current MCU

[@bobhotpocket1875]

Completely agree. It's why I am terrified that they are going to bring back daredevil. The way they make their other shows. I think I will pass.

[@Batman-zd6jp]

@@bobhotpocket1875 i swear if they are gonna make DD a joke am gonna stop watching MCU.m

[@thatstheway2429]

@@bobhotpocket1875 I think they'll get DD right. Feige has still done so much right over the course of the MCU. They're doing a lot which means some of the content is going to be mediocre, but we've still gotten some great content between NWH, Loki and WandaVision, and I think Kang as a villain is super promising still.

[@bobhotpocket1875]

@@thatstheway2429 I hope they do but the MCU has just been horrible. Hawkeye was laughably bad. Wandavision was boring AF imo. She hulk is just.........no. falcon and the winter soldier wasn't bad but they nerfed the hell out of the winter soldier and that was the main reason why I wanted to watch the show. Didn't really care about falcon.

[@LennerPOPPADOPALIS89]

@@thatstheway2429 fuck no, they're gonna *RUIN* him.

[@jonahhammond1360]

I worry about the lack of character interaction, leading up to the end of the infinity saga, all the characters had natural interactions with one another, they teamed up, fought together, eventually got into disagreement and led to the downfall of the avengers and their defeat in Infinity War. With Kang Dynasty, I feel like these characters will just be forced into a team without any actual development in relationships between the characters working together beforehand.

[@morgan1076]

Yes! There was a precedent for them to fight together. It made sense and we could be excited about it but with phase 4 it’s hard to see them interacting. The end of Shang-Chi promised cross over but nothing seems to be happening with it.

[@noredoosno2929]

They are rushing secret wars and it’s all gonna fall apart.

[@isabellegapper3212]

You’ve gotta be introduced to the characters before they’re in a film again lol

[@polskillz]

Now that you talk about it yeah, idk how they'll naturally build a team dynamic if everyone is immediately just thrown in the mix in Kang Dynasty

[@isabellegapper3212]

@@polskillz yeah exactly, it’s nicer that we’ll know and understand the characters before they’re a full on team, which is what happened to iron man, hulk and captain America :)

[@megancress1384]

Love and Thunder felt so... *weird* cuz to this day i still can't wrap my head around why it was so bad. Taika Waititi is capable of telling good stories with good comedy and good dramatic moments that the film doesn't even feel like HIS. Especially when right after finishing Thor he went on to direct a show that's actually funny and has representation that people enjoy. I just don't understand that film at all

[@isabellarussell4407]

He has apparently been said to not care about the superhero genre, so I wouldn’t be surprised if some reason like that affected his care

[@scotthayes5386]

And Christian bale gave such a phenomenal performance of such a good villain

[@splean9438]

I think the Thor movie had to be remade half way through it’s creation, remember the whole thing about Thor kissing star lord I feel like it was going to be a very gay movie but because of the outrage from the first trailer it got rewritten and sections refilmed with a lot of rushing to meet the same time line, the final fight just doesn’t make sense to give kids the power and fight for him basically, lots of scenes feel unfinished and the writing just doesn’t seem to line up

[@certainlysunny7851]

The writing is just so bad, they don't believe the audience can read between the lines- they explained all the emotions in way that removed any emotional weight because they don't respect the audience :/

[@mactaculer]

I think they made the graphic design for the movie before they wrote the script. "Wouldn't it be cool if we made Thor 80's glam rock?" Then they mocked it all up, the execs loved it and then tried to fart out a script.

[@theaznbob]

When Shehulk was making that controlling her anger speech, didn't she pretty much lose her anger immediately while preaching? I honestly think this scene would have been good if Bruce subtly hints that to her and she realizes and corrects her mistake after having the realization.

[@fernandomaximotorres]

no more feminist movies

[@jupitersnoot4915]

@@fernandomaximotorres a show or movie having a woman as the lead does not automatically make it a feminism movie

[@sarov7658]

@@jupitersnoot4915 it does in the msheu currently movies can hav female lead and be gud lik aliens or every prey recently but writers can't write without puttin toxic feminism just make women even worse and hated

[@Taz.K]

@@sarov7658 you’re cringe when you call a movie series that msot characters are men a MsheU simply cause of some bad female characters and some bad male characters

[@archieames1968]

@@Taz.K They literally show a clip of Shehulk preaching feminism and you are asking why do people consider it a feminist movie.

[@ethnol3842]

The fatigue is probably the biggest part of the MCU's downfall as of late. There is simply just TOO MUCH stuff going on. I also never noticed the Tony & Steve part until you mentioned it, and you are completely right, there is no face of the MCU right now.

[@versecontro4898]

It feels like they are just throwing faces at a wall hoping one sticks. Problem is the wall is behind them and they just throw shit back

[@Porkwhitemeat]

Fatigue lol yea okay. Thats a made up term with regards to this context.

[@beatzbydri]

YES MAKE DAREDEVIL RATED R !! They did characterize him very well in She hulk (shockingly) but they neeeedd to keep the tone of the Netflix show. It was phenomenal for a reason.

[@analogueapples]

I think everything, except the kids series (and kids favorites like Spiderman) should be R rated. Teenagers will watch them anyway, like I watched Terminator as a child without anyone telling me it was for adults. I don't get those ratings honestly, they are mostly invented by purist mothers who are very sex negative and think that implied sex, like a couple going to bed together, the next scene they are waking up, should be R-rated, when in reality kids who are too young to see that, don't even understand there was anything sexual and kids who are old enough, well, they watch it anyway or have sex themselves. I've even heard that someone wanted to make Jojo Rabbit R-rated, not because of Nazis and war, but because a boy kisses a girl, even though it is a very typical kiss in kids movies, nothing with tongue. Essentially, almost any R-rated movie is suitable for kids over 10 in my mind, some even for younger kids. I think it is a weird American thing to give anything that has romance plot a R rating and avoid sexual topics when it isn't even necessary, because too young kids won't understand anyway or if they do, they see it as a boring and adult thing. Obviously I don't mean movies like Beach Bum that has very vulgar sex scenes, but most movies are neutered already, even if they are R rated.

[@yooooo8600]

@@analogueapples Barely read any of this but this’ll never happen

[@matthewlarose289]

Spot on. After seeing Thor: Love & Thunder, I knew the MCU was in trouble and it doesn't seem to be aware of this. Definitely not too late to make some easy (albeit high-level, only easy if the upper-levels accept/acknowledge it) changes and get back on track.

[@shanekeenaNYC]

It's like cooking. The first Three phases were carefully crafted, elegant lamb shanks on top of couscous and served with a delectable Caesar salad. The last batch of movies are just microwaved Salisbury steaks, with grainy mashed potatoes and clammy green beans.

[@kruton93]

I thought most of Phase 4 was medicore or bad, but Thor Love & Thunder very good. Felt as fun as the previous Thor.

[@SqueeblesMcklooflin]

Like, wtf was up with homosexual rocks?

[@superrooster18]

@@SqueeblesMcklooflin they did that correctly wdym. What they didn’t do correctly was the power scaling between lady Thor and actual Thor.

[@johnluo2865]

The comic book was absolutely amazing, if they could just follow the storyline of the comic book, that movie would’ve been epic

[@AndrewFaure1]

Interesting this is happening I remember when I use to work in the cinema shortly after civil war and a co work said to me “I want to know how long it would be before people start getting fed up of super hero movies”

[@bigheadrhino]

This whole phase has felt like a giant “What If” series.

[@ethannorton564]

Worse than that what if was actually good cause it was what the entireity of phase 4 should be

[@bigheadrhino]

@@ethannorton564 haha that’s true actually. What if was much better. It hasn’t been all bad though. Spiderman, Shang-Chi, Loki, Dr. Strange, and the Werewolf by Night were all okay imo. I have high hopes for Black Panther.

[@ethannorton564]

@@bigheadrhino agree with all but Dr strange but yeah we're on the same page fingers crossed for wakanda forever

[@bigheadrhino]

@@ethannorton564 haha yeah I almost wrote a cabeat for Strange. I personally liked the campy horror theme but I can see how it’s not for everyone.

[@wolvesmlp1117]

I'm a woman and when you mentioned that all the male heros have been dumbed down for the sake to empower women heros, I actually agree with you. I think what makes women so unique is that they have there own quirk and can be very strong willed even when males are around. SO now that you mention marvels dumbing the males for the sake of diversity, it makes me sad to see it go that way becuz I personally enjoy male heros as I equally enjoy the female heros when they are equally smart, cool and fun.

[@pladapus8968]

woman cook and raise man fight and die done

[@miguelcisneros1825]

I’m sad to see your inner misogyny coming above

[@thehunterwr4666]

@@pladapus8968 sexist moment

[@jeffbenzos6344]

@@miguelcisneros1825 you look like a worm is crawling out of your urethra in that selfie

[@Fakeslimshady]

@@miguelcisneros1825 If a man wrote this, is it still "inner misogyny" or just "misogyny"? Is there "outer misogyny" as well?

[@panlis6243]

My favourite thing about the scene where She-hulk talks about mansplaining is the fact that in that same moment she is explaning Bruce's area of expertise (anger managment) to him in a condencending way

[@num1Jaysta]

Yep! Always complains about mansplaining, but then tells the guy what they're doing wrong or how to do it.

[@jamesnapier3802]

The creation of the word "mansplaining" in and of itself shows the fundamental madness that has afflicted much of the Western world. But, no worries, the Chinese will pick up the torch after the self-destruction of the West.

[@PaRappa_the_Rapper]

@@num1Jaysta ok incel, cope harder

[@dROUDebateMeCowards]

Bruce’s area of expertise isn’t anger management. His area of expertise is more “managing a mental illness (either Borderline Personality Disorder or Dissociative Identity Disorder, with the comics version being DID and the mcu version implied to be more like BPD) that interacts with his superpowers to result in a rampaging hulk and a meek Bruce banner”. He had a sample of one, assumed his shit generalized, and refused to reassess whether his approach was truly necessary even after she demonstrated a level of control it took him 15 years to develop inside of a week. And, frankly, given his intelligence and his experience with superpowered individuals, his continual insistence that she needed intensive treatment came off as mansplaining. I don’t think his driver was so much sexism as it was shame at realizing that his manifestation of Hulk powers was about his own defects and not his accident. But I do think if his cousin had been a man and otherwise presented identically, a realistic depiction would show him taking the man’s word for it much more quickly. Shit, he didn’t even consider the possibility that her being a woman alone could alter her response to the gamma stuff. There are like decades of flawed assumptions continually made by smart people based on studies of men wrapped up in that. Bruce wasn’t being portrayed as a bad guy there, or acting out of character. He was just acting like men act when it comes to women challenging their authority or expertise. And he recognized, eventually, that he was in the wrong. Because he was way in the wrong.

[@twohorsesinamancostume7606]

​@@dROUDebateMeCowards I mean yeah... sure. She's totally in control, especially when she almost hulks out and murders some dudes who dared say something to her. So much control.

[@Galimeer5]

I have to wonder if the issue goes deeper. Everything under Disney is in disarray, from Star Wars to Disney proper -- and, while I don't know the inner workings of the corporation, I can't help but notice the through line. That through line being Disney itself. There must be something going on inside the executive offices that explains why everything has gone to hell.

[@optimusbee127]

Yeah the first issue was the bob chapek had become CEO of Disney, he probably made it so that alot of content went to Disney+, and it didn't help Kevin fiege lost the amount of control he had before endgame, as there was rumours after Bob iger came back recently that Kevin fiege was being forced to do some things he didn't want to, which didn't help, as some of the writers got too much control and made the shitty stuff how they wanted it, like for she hulk and thor, I'm pretty sure they got full creative control, hence making it as terrible as they did, which didn't happen in phase 1-3, but now there's some hope that the MCU could possibly get back on track, with the new projects looking of the previously quality that had the fans love it for why they did.

[@weasel7491]

No kidding not to mention remakes. There hasn't been a single new Disney product I've liked/trusted. I half the time now hear "Disney?" And think "bad film." Like I know my little consumer voice doesn't matter, they're still making profit, but like as a brand they're feeling less...quality.

[@jameswhitaker9169]

GET WOKE GO BROKE. This mantra has to be mentioned and should be if you use clips from She Hulk. The most ridiculous show that not only shoved it in our faces, but planned the backlash ahead of time. Also, THOR was a complete joke. What would happen if female Thor was bound & stripped naked in front of a crowd? A clear case of double standards that either never crossed their minds OR they did not give a damn.

[@DamianBrown]

She Hulk is a huge step back in CGI realism

[@woobenskypierre6224]

Her clothes are like pixar animated movie clothes. just pure 3D.

[@dasauto1555]

Yes. Shrek hulk is a tragedy

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Its a show made for women, obviously. Why are you watching it?

[@powers_media]

it's a show. not a movie

[@frankierong2335]

@@powers_media they never said it was a movie?

[@caffeinatedinsomniac9298]

I am SO thankful I never got myself invested too deeply in the MCU. Honestly, I've wanted to get back into the MCU at times but there's just so much they've put out that its too overwhelming and not worth it. There's so much better cinema out there. I do feel bad though because it's all gone to shit now and I can't imagine how actual, dedicated fans must feel. My sympathies.

[@priscillabullard4581]

The fact that fans were so confused with who originally broke the multiverse says a lot.

[@HavokRm]

yep Loki, Spodermahn, Dr Weird, Wonda who knows

[@supergario4425]

@@HavokRm I like to view it as a convergance. All of them working in tandem to fuck shit up. Head canon makes more sense anyway.

[@calhackit9806]

multiverse storylines are ridiculous.. stargate is the best example of this.. they basically say that only 1% or something of the universes managed to win, etc. but if you think about it, you can just go "oooh this 1 in a billion chance, well this is the 1 universe in a billion where it works!" totally destroys any stakes, they can just do whatever they want and claim it's that universe where that happened. ridiculous. like lets say everyone dies! oh well, it's only this universe, there's an infinite number of other ones. pick one. absolutally destroys any meaning any of it could have. i mean why are Tony and them even dead? why are we even bothering to look at the universe where thanos was born? it's ridiculous; then they're trying to claim, oooh this is the main main universe, over-arching the multiverse. what a cop out. why not just not have a multiverse? why not have a multiverse, above this one, where.. oh it's so ridiculous.

[@FirstLast-fc7dt]

It was stan lee’s cameo

[@bananaking664]

i mean you can piece it together it was sylvie

[@33pandagamer]

What the MCU needs to do is not go bigger and wider, but deeper. It needs to flesh out characters to the point Where you actually care about them. That way your reason for watching isn't, "How on earth are they going to stop this threat" insead it's because you care so much about the characters that you wonder "what are they going to do next".

[@kwest9112]

The ‘It feels like homework’ is a great analogy. I go to every MCU movie on Day 1 in the theater. But I NEED to watch every show, how boring they might be, to not miss things in the movies… which is sad… Massive plotlines in shows is so weird to me… I like most of the characters which is why I still watch, but it’s not that I find it fun, it’s just homework…

[@ethannorton564]

Even then the movies are worse than the first of the shows at this point

[@matthewmarvel2884]

“Aggressively mediocre”…. That is the best description I’ve ever heard for that movie!

[@Olivia-gq1sz]

I personally loved Moon Knight, but ironically I loved it BECAUSE it was so separate from the rest of the MCU. It felt like a standalone Egyptian fantasy that I could watch while pretty much ignoring everything else in the MCU lol.

[@faultyfox669]

I felt this exactly. I liked Shang Chi a lot too because of it's lack of envolvement. It's imperfections shrank in comparison to the bloated Multiverse of Madness.

[@memeplatereal3918]

0p

[@synchrogods]

I liked it but it kinda lost me after half the season. Finished and still enjoyed it. Can´t really put the finger on what exactly bothered me. Still 1000% better than anyting else Marvel made that time tho.

[@ritun4656]

I was about to comment this!! Not enough people give MK credit. It's a great story with such good characters and story. Its the only MUC season 2 I'm looking forward to!

[@GiornoGiovanna_88]

Same 💖

[@Goonshere]

I personally believe that Dr strange was to replace tony and BP to replace cap(strange as the smart arrogant guy and BP as the heart) but with Chadwick’s passing (rip) they had to completely change the plans. Idk if they said anything like that before I don’t watch interviews but it’s what it feels like it was supposed to be. Even with cap giving Sam the shield and all

[@daniellenihan9832]

I love how the cinematic universe fans are finally getting the feelings and lackluster stories that comic fans have dealt with for years following great stories!!!

[@SkilletTRO]

That's exactly what has me so chill about Phase 4 taking its time. Like, this is exactly what I like about Marvel in the first place. I'll never read every comic, and I'll never watch every MCU project. You don't have to, it's an entire Universe for a reason. The fun part is when your favorite arc crosses a friend's favorite arc. Let the stories meander a little bit. I will say, I wish we had more variety in the genres of the projects. I hope the upcoming launches commit a bit more to a niche style that compliments the character.

[@daniellenihan9832]

@@SkilletTRO 100% agree, it will build into awesomeness!!!

[@willstar1238]

@@daniellenihan9832 yup. Just wait until Avengers Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars come out. It will probably be the most hyped movies of all time

[@mauricemaple1430]

This is a perfect way to describe it. We love the comics and watched them descend into event/crossover oversaturation. The movies followed that sad trend.

[@phildo87]

They also forget that most of those heroes we love from MCU had pretty bad introductions. Captain America 1 was bland Thor 1 was bad and thor 2 is the worst MCU Movie out. They all grew over the years into what we love. These characters all have had better intros than over half of the old guard.

[@damonedrington3453]

Ironically I think the infinity saga worked so well because they basically had to patch together a cinematic universe level story from several individual films that had basically no connection except for cameos and then make it into a series of like 20+ interconnected films. The infinity saga was likely a lightning in a bottle situation

[@nativemrv19722]

Correct and done the best way.. With one series like Marvel's Agents of Shield pulling things together in the results of the movies..And it was on TV everyone could watch not streaming on pay for views...ABC a ownership of Disney also.. But problems that the movies wanted nothing to do with the series...And the series just followed the movies of what happened around the movies.

[@loganpraz2566]

@@nativemrv19722 agents of shield was terrible

[@nativemrv19722]

@@loganpraz2566 Your opinion ...I loved it...

[@jimboslice1383]

@@loganpraz2566 I always found that the marvel TV shows would normally start off good then decay into low budget public television dribble

[@nativemrv19722]

@@jimboslice1383 Thors Lady J and Nick Fury all showed up on the show...Marvel needs shows everyone can see...Not everybody see those streaming shows..I know you must pay to see them ..

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060]

They need some directors with an actual artistic vision and more creative control, but Disney wouldn't let that happen. Batman is the best superhero movie of the 2020's thus far and it's thanks to a director that actually cares, good acting, and great cinematography without relying heavily on CGI.

[@dreamperfectnoodles6690]

disney bought marvel in 2009. it's the shitty writers throw jessica gao out of the studio I swear.

[@Traumglanz]

They had for Thor: Love and Thunder.

[@Karina-u8n]

@@Traumglanz thor love and thunder was awful ://

[@Targetstrike]

They have a few artistic creators…in the animation department But their corporate meddling kept season 3 of Matt Braly’s Amphibia from reaching its full potential, and it also kept Dana Terrace’s The Owl House from getting a full 3rd season, instead shortening it to 3 specials We need to invest more in the creative freedom of these passionate creators so that they can tell great stories that reach their full potential

[@dontlovememichaelthatgay6955]

@@Karina-u8n I loved it

[@RoshDroz]

I am extremely pleased to find a video critical of the MCU without needing to focus on the political angles. When people involve their political feelings in their critiques, it makes it harder to accept their arguments as truthful and without an agenda. I love your approach in this!

[@zalf1641]

"it feels like homework you need to watch to keep up but in reality you don't, it's just filler." That one sentence summed up my entire experience with phase 4.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

AMEN!!! Random things and Easter eggs and tie-ins would pop up in other movies that were enjoyable stand alone projects...while now they shove in other characters and act like there are actually stakes involved but at the end its like nothing had happened and everything was back to whatevs status quo already existed before the movie or TV show.... everything in phase four has been SUPER SKIPPABLE except maybe Loki because of Kang...and maybe Ms Marvel..which connects to the Marvels...none of this other crap matters...in fact in MOM literally the whole multiverse was supposed to be in peril and not once did it ever seem even close to being in any real danger

[@staringcorgi6475]

It sums up why there needs to be a reboot of the mcu after endgame

[@flam1nw1n6s4]

I can't tell you how much I appreciate you pointing out the problem I have with "feminist" movies where all the men are extremely stupid, annoying, or basically every stereotype of the worst characteristics. I've seen so many female lead movies and shows that I think are genuinely amazing because the character plays off the world around her realistically. She argues with competent men, she stands next to actual interesting characters and at times outshines them and at times loses to them. She actually has to overcome something externally and/or internally to succeed. Black Widow was one of my favorite characters during the MCU because she stood with literal giants of men and managed to still contribute in significant ways. Having female representation done right is far more important than having more of it. I'm scared and excited for Wakanda forever because since T'challa dusted in infinity, I had always hoped to see how Shuri would step up to the plate and overcome that hardship of losing her older brother and taking his place. When I realized she was dusted too, I was severely disappointed. While I hate that we lost Chadwick Boseman as I wanted to see more with him and it was a terrible loss; I hope to finally see Shuri have to deal with what that means and watch her overcome the loss and struggles she would face after losing her brother.

[@cxri9454]

Oh wow, women have been watered down onscreen, been made to be the damsel in distress, can never handle things themselves and need a man, all to make the male character look better on screen since tv began. Join the fcking club, sucks when the shoe is on the other foot now? Cry some more lmao

[@conors4430]

Lol They aren’t feminist movies, they are appearing to be feminist movies just to cash in on the day. It’s not like any of the movie companies actually have a strong progressive ideology, or anything, they are just following the cash train which ever way they need to until it changes in five years and they go that way instead. It’s just like any company getting behind a cause, the majority of the time they aren’t getting behind a cause, because they actually believe in it and want to spread its message or ideology, they are getting behind it for the optics of getting behind it to help their own business.

[@garrito1016]

I'm honestly done with the MCU at this point. If a project looks like it actually wants to contribute to the overarching story in a meaningful way, and is shot like an actual film instead of some factory-made audience tested shlock, then I'll be interested. Phase Four has completely killed any interest I have in the future of Marvel, and I'm honestly just happier taking a break from the series rather than constantly tuning in to be dissapointed.

[@JayDog459]

Spot on to how I feel. I've cared less and less about the MCU with every movie released after Endgame (except for No Way Home, which I enjoyed), and never had any interest in the tv shows. It's quantity over quality, oversaturation is an understatement. Nothing has been building to anything meaningful. Now that there's infinite universes, nothing matters anymore, and there's absolutely no stakes. Doctor Strange 2 was my last straw and I skipped Thor 4. Only thing that I'm still looking forward to is Guardians 3, but even then, I'm waiting for reviews to see how that turns out.

[@shadowofthenamelessking]

Phase 5 and onward looks really great, there is an overarching story involved here in Phase 4 that will lead into the future phases though. It’s about Incursions, reality being broken, leading to a war with Kang which will then set up Doctor Doom and the Mutants. Spider Man NWH, Loki, and Doctor Strange MoM all contribute to this storyline, with Eternals and Shang Chi doing it in a more subtle way. Things will certainly get better from here, or at least I believe.

[@Samuel_Buckley]

I 100% agree with this statement.

[@lorddj9910]

@ForgedRealm no way home was good but nostalgia played a huge part in that as well

[@JayDog459]

@ForgedRealm I'm not saying it's all objectively bad, but there are more negative feelings toward phase four movies than positive in my experience. I did enjoy No Way Home, but like Lord DJ said, a lot of it was feeling nostalgic about the characters. But it was a fun movie, absolutely.

[@scott13124]

IMO, preferred it when I had to wait 6 months to a year for the whole story arc to progress. The storylines felt more thought-out and meaningful. With only Agents of SHIELD to fill the void at times, that show also managed to stand on its own.

[@mds_main]

I completely agree. The direction they are taking is awful, they now only see the MCU as a product to milk asap instead of a cinematic event that is also profitable, but this leads to tighter deadlines and terrible writers. One way to solve this is to have less content. Just have almost all of the tv series moved to either a special or a movie and then do less of them in general. Then tie them up nicely together and have good writers once again and they are all set. Also, while they are at it, have She Hulk be non canon please.

[@amaanjah1837]

As a casual mcu watcher I would say ur explanation of how we feel is 200% accurate

[@johnykilroy5521]

As a casual fan you should STFU

[@derekjohnson4453]

I mean I personally really enjoyed Loki, it's the only show so far where I couldn't wait to watch the next episode. Also the amount of post-credit scenes that they have set up is kinda insane. Like there hasn't been enough time to see if they'll follow through, but like how are they going to fit all of these new characters into the next couple of phases??

[@mesqueda5258]

I agree it's a good show not the greatest TV show on Disney + cus come on Mando takes the cake but greatest so far amongst all MCU

[@mesqueda5258]

Mt opinion of course

[@bobograndman]

Loki was great, and imo probably the best mcu tv series we've gotten so far

[@avikshitbasak7556]

The last MCU TV show i loved was moon night....

[@timurtheking]

@@avikshitbasak7556 i liked moon knight until the final episodes, absolutely ruined it.

[@sifutophmasterofeyerolling2513]

If they're going to make an X-Factor project, they should also branch them out on their own separate universe, I think it would work better that way for the character's purposes

[@Adrian-gk5vs]

The biggest thing I got from the Eternals as a 21 year old is "omfg is that really Harry Styles?!" And I cried laughing when Icarus flew into the sun 😂 And honestly I wish they made eternals a TV show because it was so crammed with stuff it was overwhelming

[@chrisnelson9972]

Eternals had SOOOO MUCH POTENTIAL its crazy

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..]

Yo harry styles was in that show???

[@ELeeHamm]

Agreed. A lot of people were way too harsh on it. Eternals had great characters and (what looked like) an awesome storyline, but they really fucked up by trying to cram everything into one movie. They should've just gone the Moon Knight route and made it a mini-series.

[@jiya.write.]

@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. First: It's a movie Second : Yes he was in the post credit scene

[@-im-aim]

fr everything eternals could not fit in 2 hours

[@-Down-D-Stairs-]

Doctor Strange should've been one of the new anchors of the MCU. It seemed like they were positioning him to be as such with Infinity War but then Multiverse of Madness seemed to derail that. Maybe Mr. Fantastic can be once he's introduced? Spider-Man seemed like a good fit too if he grew older and wiser.

[@funkychunk1343]

Multiverse only sucked so much but sam raimi cannot let go of the past and turned it into some shitty horror movie rip off. Tobey Maguire would have been in that movie if he wasnt just in spiderman

[@miclowgunman1987]

Strange is too self centered to be the head. He tries to care, but too often gets stuck in his own head. You need someone who is almost heretical to their ideals to do it, and he is too wishy washy. IMO Hawkeye could do it, and Reed Richards is a perfect one too. No one else has as strong a personal compass and also a strong charisma so I don't know who else. Maybe Falcon if he sheds his thorny cold personality in the next movie.

[@-Down-D-Stairs-]

@@miclowgunman1987 Tony was self centered at first too. He could've had a similar arc as selfish and arrogant to becoming a true hero.

[@caseynelson7355]

Personally I couldn’t agree more. Dr. Strange has immense power and knowledge. His background is very well established with two standalone films and many cameos. Most importantly, he has relatable flaws: he is logical to a fault, he struggles to move on from his past failures, and he has quite an ego. That’s a lot to work with.

[@MayorDoWell]

Agreed

[@hanbytee3903]

I agree with every single point you make. As a casual mcu fan, I have always been excited for every marvel projects, but after phase 4, its hard to feel even remotely excited with the future projects announced. My last straw is Deadpool 3, if they make it a unicorn-PG 13 movie, then I am totally done.

[@benjaminparker1653]

i'm thinking that there's no fucking way in hell they're gonna make deadpool 3 pg-13, remember that the whole development-hell of the 1st deadpool movie was just someone trying to make it pg-13, it finnally got made, it was rated R the 2nd deadpool movie was rated R and they were awesome, the delay between the 2nd deadpool movie and the 3rd is just figuring out how to fit deadpool into the MCU after Disney bought Fox

[@aestusmaris]

I think Phase 4 is somewhat intended to make you feel that way. The stakes were lowered but the world expanded. Almost everyone is seperated from one another. They're sitting us down so when things start ramping up again we'll be out of our seats. I love the MCU but it is certainly not without it's faults but I think there is some method to the madness. And considering what we know is coming, things are only going more dramatic.

[@truegamer_007]

Oh it's gonna have a unicorn alright, but it's gonna be rated R and covered in *****

[@breakinggames1810]

Deadpool would never allow that

[@franklingoodwin]

You're not a casual MCU fan lol. No casual would speak about the MCU like you just did

[@lindabroer8995]

This is actually what is keeping me from getting into the MCU. I want to because some characters I'm really interested in, but it is just so much and you have to see and follow everything to get the overarching story. And I like overarching stories in my media. I gladly read 20+ books in a series for the overarching story. But the sheer volume of content in the MCU, quite a bit of it concerning characters I don't care about, makes it hard to get into.

[@scottb3034]

you only have to concern yourself with the first 20 movies and if needed just read the wikipedia synopsis for a movie you aren't in to.

[@Tiriban]

The one point I'll interject here is this: Tony Stark wasn't important for just his brains. He was important to the MCU because of his constant drive forward. He kept trying to push his story forward which brought the entire MCU along with him. And with Cap being the moral compass, striving to keep things as "True North" as they can, it really made the whole universe satisfying. The current MCU is lacking all of that, an active protagonist, and a moral compass. That's why it's all gone to shit. That, and turning Thor into a 'funny himbo'. Terrible!

[@privatebh]

Doing Thor like that was the worst move they could have ever made

[@AzureRoxe]

The MCU also used to have a goal in mind. Right now, the "goal" is "the message" aka "women are so good, they can do no wrong, fuck men" which She-Hulk is deeply infected with.

[@Tiriban]

@@gezenews Nope, missed the point. Spider-Man wasn't the focal character of the MCU, back then. Not Star Lord, not Hawkeye, Iron Man. He was the one driving the plot forward, and that's what made him the main character. Arguing that he's fictional, and therefore his actions and motivations were written for him is irrelevant. All the characters are fictional. Not all the characters drive the plot of the entire MCU forward.

[@Picnmo]

Nailed it.

[@chenkaixiang2455]

Much as I don't really agree with what you said about iron man driving the story forward, I do agree that's the Cruz of the issue. Most of these characters seem to be reacting and not driving the plot forward.

[@michaelschneider9141]

Honestly with Henry Cavill back as Superman, Ben Affleck possibly being back to stay long term, and Robert Pattinson's Batman being its own thing, I'm more excited for the future of DC than Marvel

[@jordkinsmith3588]

Cavill is unbelievably overrated, Ben Affleck has the most punchable face in Hollywood and The Batman sucked.

[@michaelschneider9141]

@@jordkinsmith3588 Nice troll

[@unkown7277]

@@jordkinsmith3588The new Batman movie is the top tier super hero this year MCU is so childish and an obvious cash grab

[@hatefulgaming1800]

So about Henry Cavill

[@michaelschneider9141]

@@hatefulgaming1800 Honestly I'm still more excited for DC's future. Yeah it of course sucks Cavill's no longer coming back but a full reboot is kinda what the DCEU needs at this point. It's such a clusterfuck rn and has no direction and I trust James Gunn's ability to tell a good story.

[@kiseki0games]

I think the main reason it feels unfocused is bc of the amount of shows and movies released, its hard for directors to tie things together when theyre all working and rewriting their scripts around the same time, by the time the director of moon knight found out about the celestial coming out of the earth it was likely far too late for them to do any revisions to the script to make a nod to it. Its hard to have cohesion when your all working on your separate projects at the same time

[@kenzarty5999]

I hadn’t considered that before but you are so right

[@mediumsurmoon6283]

Nah the main reason is because of woman . The director or writer of She Hulk is a feminazis woman that want to shove their idealogy down our throat . “Woman is strong and this and that” in Hollywood are basically the equivalent of fat model screaming “look at my body , I deserve to be looked at , look at me or you are cancelled” 24/7

[@Luna11280]

That actually makes sense

[@jadoisready]

That's why they shouldn't just churn stuff out just to get something out there. I wanted to like it but it's just so boring. She feels like a side character in her own story.

[@flyingpiggie979]

I really don’t feel like Downey and Evan’s loss were treat with the severity that they should have been. Both characters, but even more so their actors were equally significant parts of the nucleus holding the IP together in the public perception. The sentimental real estate that those two actors held has to be redeveloped with new characters. And with actors of a particular calibre that can decisively win the hearts of the audience. I don’t think we’ve seen a clear and calculated effort to fill that void yet. Until then, I think these projects will just haphazardly orbit an established core of characters that while strong, are still very obviously lacking the strength to serve as nexus for an increasingly exhausting and convoluted cast of characters.

[@kekeshomevideos]

Back in the earlier phases, whenever I pick a movie to watch in the theaters, I would definitely watch an MCU movie, not only because I'm a fan but also because I can guarantee the movie is good or at least enjoyable so I won't waste money and time on movies that I'm not sure about the quality. Now, the MCU movies are the movies that I'm most unsure of if I were to choose to watch it. It used to be "let's just watch a marvel movie it'll be good anyway" now its "will it be good? Should I watch it?" And it's honestly pretty sad

[@mr.wilson2395]

Interesting. I saw Thor 2, Ironman 2 and 3, The winter Soldier, and each left me with a real "meh" feeling. Same is true of Eternals, No Way Home and Thor4. MOM and Shang Chi were both outstanding, up there with Guardians, Ironman and BP

[@dingusbigus9629]

@@mr.wilson2395 I'd argue about MoM being anywhere near to Iron Man or Guardians. It was pretty bad imo. A wasted multiverse concept supported with showing purposeless new characters just for fan service.

[@XboxTF2Tidbits]

Eternals be like

[@jebus89]

I always enjoyed them for what they were. Other than a few really strong entries, they were fun schlocky blockbusters. I kept that sentiment with every MCU movie I bothered watching until Thor 4, which was everything I hate about MCU movies and modern Taika Waititi rolled into one big package

[@rahulmenon9530]

@@mr.wilson2395 the winter soldier seriously left you with a 'meh' feeling?

[@brysontendwa6998]

The MCU still has amazing stories to tell. Kang may be a bigger threat than Thanos, the problem is execution and they're failing horribly

[@thanoswasright5333]

Kang is too big for she hulk. Kang is more for loki and antman.

[@dohadeer8242]

Yes, turns out the only thing worse than bad movies are mediocre ones, who saw that coming. Oh that's right, everyone.

[@TIAdor-um8gc]

This is the Cowboy era for MCU. Just slowly watch it evaporate into nothingness.

[@moe9122]

i swear if they screw up kang for me im gonna be real pissed i always loved kang and it has such potential but if they fuck it up im just done with marvel to be honest

[@ianhirst1148]

We have Dr Doom as well. Doom is far more well lnown than Thanos and a better villain.

[@spitz65YT]

I honestly don't think we will ever get something as amazing as the Infinity Saga

[@TheSmurray39]

Just like we won’t get anything as amazing as the original Star Wars movies in that cinematic universe either

[@JacobBongers]

@@jediapc226 okay…

[@ooofuryooo296]

It's not very good

[@soltempera1349]

@@TheSmurray39 mid wars, star mid, trash wars, star dumpsterfire

[@Max78912]

I feel like civil war is the best MCU movie overall, there was so much going on but it was very relevant to everything we see in later movies and addressed more complex topics within the avengers lives instead of simply being about beating up a bad guy

[@Clustersey]

There’s so many movies and TV shoes in the MCU now it’s crazy. I haven’t even seen some of the shows like Hawkeye, Ms Marvel, She Hulk and Moon Knight. There’s no way that the general audience can properly follow along in the new movies and know everything.

[@Glitches2099]

As a casual MCU fan his description of how we feel is scary accurate

[@kalehead0075]

Right! I wanted to get into it- but I’d have to watch hours and hours of movies and shows to understand anything. That was enough of a turn off for me- I don’t have that kind of time or attention span.

[@robtennant98]

@@kalehead0075 baby

[@judeofili8384]

I never bothered watching Ms Marvel and She Hulk..I am beginning to see Marvel like Netflix..not all the shows are worth watching

[@LawTzuTao]

As a casual Marvel fan. Nah, way off.

[@davidshillaker7578]

I totally agree. I went into Doctor Strange 2 not having watched WandaVision. I knew the gist of the show and that's it. I asked my friend before the movie started if there was anything I needed to know. He said it "revolves around Wanda's kids. You're going to be very confused". I enjoyed it, but I didn't understand half of what was happening. Last time I saw Wanda, she was kicking alien butt. Now she is trying to enslave the multiverse just to get her fake kids back? WTF?!?! I know they teased Kang at the end of Loki. Kang is the villain in the new Ant-Man movie next year and eventually the big bad of the next Avengers movie. I do want to watch Loki, but still. The MCU has turned from being something I can watch in my free time to being a full-time job. I do love these heroes (most of them), but this is getting ridiculous.

[@lemon7209]

I think that most of the current issues stem from the fact that we don't have the same connection with all these new characters like we did with the old ones. We watched the old characters grow and develop and we witness their stories as we grew up and we established a connection with them. Now that most of them are gone, Marvel doesn't understand how to establish new connections and they simple assume that introducing new characters with basic/non-existing backstories will fix the problem.

[@iche9373]

We need Snowflake and Safespace.

[@mavvynne444]

That's so true af

[@jamesknight1884]

Agreed. We are getting fully formed characters now without seeing them grow as we did Iron man, Cpt America, Thor, and Black Widow in 1-3. It is hard to build that connection when we don't see the struggles or growth.

[@JamesFaction]

they are introducing new characters and telling their backstories. They aren't "non-existing". You don't make any sense.

[@benjaminparker1653]

@@jamesknight1884 yes these new characters are being done in a way that isn't entertaining to the fans of tony stark steve rogers and black widdow who are all gone now

[@SomewhatSummarized]

I actually really liked moon night because it felt like it was it’s own thing unattached from the mcu, but that’s just me.

[@wayneshobbygallery]

There r some minor MCU Easter egg mentions, but yeah. I love that it completely separates itself from the wider MCU while still being part of it. That prevents us from being distracted from the story itself.

[@gracieglory9050]

Yes.

[@deadartist8827]

They made him a pussy.

[@DawnAfternoon]

Moon Knight (and frankly Ms. Marvel) sticks out among the masses of MCU exactly because it's unattached. Most of other MCU shows instead relies on being dependent on other movies rather than leading off to another movie.

[@snakeman830]

Moon Knight is an excellent show for many reasons, and its detachment from the rest of the MCU is honestly part of it.

[@LotanLevant]

It's crazy how Loki is more consequential to the main storyline than any of the movies

[@jimmykang6971]

The fact that phase 4 introduced way more characters than the infinity saga yet the mcu still feels empty without Tony and Steve says a lot

[@keiondarby9869]

thats what happens when the phase after their death introduced completely new characters that havent had a chance to have meaning yet because its literally one phase compared to 3

[@rev0568]

@@keiondarby9869 Except ya know, these characters in phase 1 were an instant hit in their initial films. The majority of new characters in phase 4, aren't.

[@murk4552]

@@rev0568 cause they don't have their own movies yet, this is the Multiverse Saga.

[@ryeyap1405]

@@rev0568 Because the characters in Phase 1 were iconic heroes of the Marvel Comics.

[@JuliaDelbel]

@@rev0568 a lot of people didn't really warm up to captain america until winter soldier, which was his third appearance

[@davidl242]

The reason MCU works is because they spent years building a character through multiple movies, that’s why I enjoyed the Loki series with Wanda vision a very close second. Now days Disney is just busting out random characters that audiences have zero prior connections and slapping the marvel name to it, they can get away with stuff like that maybe once or twice, but 3, 4, 5 times? No thx Marvel

[@justinrobinson7101]

They are introducing these "random" characters to fit with the new storyline give though just like the older phases did not every single hero has to be in a cameo of another movie or show just so they can tie things together

[@mlw9195]

Loki was trash and really boring not sure how ppl enjoyed it honestly

[@erwintan4746]

i love em all hehe oh, i hate thor shitty thunder tho

[@A_Random_Ghost]

@@mlw9195 Nah it was really good. I remember I and my friends coming out after classes and exams just to see the latest episodes and people theorizing stuff everywhere. You cannot get something like that from a series like She-Hulk and Ms Marvel.

[@RoboRoby321]

I think phase 4 is shit because Marvel has changed their model. Before all the movies were setup to complete one narrative storyline. After endgame that part was over and they turned into a regular movie studio but of Marvel characters. Now they release movies of different genres and movies that should really be individual stories. However they still want them all to fit into a bubble and that makes us hate them, since they don't actually have anything related to each other

[@antilles58]

"it feels more like homework than an event" this is exactly what it feels like now. and its also why I haven't watched the two most recent episodes of She-Hulk yet.

[@AlexParkerEmcee]

they're so good tho

[@mannybruce8950]

Then you will flunk the class and will have to repeat it 🥺.

[@scout.trooper9148]

Give the 4th one a try. I didn't like the first two either but you'll definitely get a laught out of the latest one. And the plot is finally picking up

[@silentscales8631]

Yeah no... Idk how any She-Hulk episodes are actually good... Yeah sure it can give a laugh every now an again... But all the good parts about She-Hulk, aren't because of She-Hulk. Its just Mando appearing in Boba Fett all over again

[@soniconabudgetstudios]

The only good parts are when Wong shows up. Im not even watching the show for She Hulk herself

[@giin97]

The cameos is literally ALL No Way Home had going for it. An utter and complete waste of time an effort with numerous needless deaths. In the end, the events were nearly as pointless as every MoM scene set in an alternate universe. Fun to see, pretty pretty lights, but ultimately meaningless. Though, at least I didn't fall asleep during either of those like I did during Guardians 3.

[@pedrotalons1422]

I love how she says it's not a "cameo every week show" but every single episode so far had a cameo.

[@sophiag612]

I believe that was meant to be the joke lol

[@bobhotpocket1875]

How else are they going to get people to watch it lol

[@MiguelAngel-jj7qh]

That was meant to be the joke...

[@StarlingInSpace]

Yup and daredevil is going to show up too

[@revolution4189]

that was the joke....

[@jon6309]

I think Disney has a lot to do with it! Disney is known for mass production of quantity over quality and because Marvel didn’t have the resources to turn other comic book series into the MCU when it was an independent company Disney is incorporating it but in their terms. I also noticed Disney is using the techniques that the X-Men writers tried to do in the 70s to revamp the series by introducing characters from different nationalities to tap into the international markets. We first see it with Black Panther which was able to gain success in Africa then they attempted again with Shang-Chi to gain attention from China which failed and now with Ms. Marvel to tap into the Muslim demographics.

[@kreedonandrol]

I think you’re delusional, you do realize that one, there aren’t only white people in the world and two, all these characters already existed it’s not like they were made up specifically for that reason.

[@jon6309]

@@kreedonandrol I actually researched on this topic. I am not white btw! The X-Men was a flop when it came out during the 60s. In the 70s they were re-introduced with new characters but this time from diverse backgrounds (Storm being from Africa, Sun Fire being from Japan, Colossus being from Russia, Wolverine from Canada) the writers admitted they wanted to appeal to the international markets during that time! Disney also admitted this and was disappointed with Shang-Chi because China didn’t like it just like it didn’t like Mulan! It did horrible in the Chinese markets. Also the Pakistani version of Ms Marvel is new! I grew up in the 90s and Carol Danvers was the original Ms. Marvel until they changed her title to Warbird and then Captain Marvel. I think you are delusional being a youngster with cheap shades!

[@chrisplaza531]

This is the stupidest crap I've ever read! 😂

[@jon6309]

@@chrisplaza531 Tell Ally White I said hi :)

[@CabezasDePescado]

Disney destroys everything it touches, the mcu could have been so much better if they didnt buy Marvel

[@daydreamingrain]

The thing I liked about Endgame was it was a story that felt easy to follow, the movies were nice and spaced. With whatever is going on at the moment it feels completely disorganised. There's multiple tv series as well which Idk if I need to watch or if they are optional.

[@nightday2030]

You just summed up my issues bro. I wanna watch Marvel again, but then, I feel like I got left quite far behind I was concerned if there is something I missed, do I have to watch a certain series first, a certain episode or just the whole show to understand that reference? Back then, watching one series of MCU would only mean to understand a cameo or easter egg. Now, they started to make it mandatory in order to fully understand anything.

[@afcomics7184]

Welcome to the Multiverse of Madness

[@mariushager9983]

yep the tv series are the problem imo. because you never know what you might need and i just dont wanna spend the time it takes to watch 8 different shows to get the movie i am watching. movies that play on each other are fine because its like 2 h of your time. but we have movies plus shows that are like 7-8 hours. plus a lot of times the shows arent even that great

[@godofthisshit]

@Daydreaming Rain This remind me the ale carte cable. People given what they want and find out they don't want it.

[@Doubleohstevo]

I enjoyed Loki. And half of FaTWS. Never went back once they started the race nonsense. Never seen: Eternals,Shang chi,Thor: 'king' valkyrie and gay bricks. Captain mary sue. Will never watch all the rubbish like Twerk hulk,Muslim mary sue,and archer mary sue. It was over when Iron Man sacrificed himself. It was awesome,but it's over now.

[@chino1moreno]

killmonger as black panther would have made that movie 100 times better, michael b jordan as a main avenger would be so epic, im i the only one aware of this HUGE missoportunity?

[@FDALl-ms5kg]

Things always seem to end up like this dont they? They always start first as a product but also as something with a soul, something you can tell it was cared for, that goes on for a few years and then slowly devolves into the business side more and more, losing its soul in the process. It happened with music, its happening with games and the MCU is big enough that its happening to it too.

[@Depthz]

Welcome to capitalism

[@EFun5273]

You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself becomes the villain

[@davidramirezf90]

It happened to music? Wtf u from the 18th century? Bach team or Beethoven's? Jfc thats quite the take. Perhaps it's you that changed dude, and perhaps you need to move and not expect the world to move for you.

[@brandon17760]

The MCU is the Ubisoft games of the movie business lol

[@classactionsteve]

What do you mean it happened with music

[@NecroMoz]

The problem isn't the new characters. The problem is their inability to drop the old characters and fully commit to the new characters. They're all sidelined to midtier content while the old characters spin their wheels front and centre. What we needed was a clean break with a series of new character origin stories.

[@JW-ng1ej]

I’m not a MCU fan really, but this is exactly how I feel. I’ve seen Spider-Man and iron man 100 times at this point and I don’t even watch all the movies, there needs to be something new.

[@adamstothers3536]

I disagree. the shows and movies with new characters are a lot better imo than the new shows with the old characters. Thor love and thunder and Hawkeye are complete disappointments where as Shang chi, moon knight and ms marvel were actually all surprisingly good

[@brodiemorris2081]

@@adamstothers3536 reread the original comment man you literally just repeated what he said

[@ocelotxp]

You're not wrong.

[@mahatmaghandi4288]

The biggest problem is that they don't care about their content, only that it makes money. They found a schematic for money: Step 1 anger fans and cause drama for free press, Step 2 heavily push diversity/politics so they can dismiss any criticism as "sexist,racist ect ect" and so people will hopefully go see it because they feel like they are supporting a political cause or to see what all the drama is about. Step 3: Pump out as much content as possible as fast as possible.

[@WALTERRIFIC]

0:35 Maybe the stakes could go higher if they were wiping half of the *universe* from existence. Quantity over quality is right. What I can’t understand is why companies forgo their quality, which made lots of money, to inferior quality to make lots of money plus a bad reputation.

[@lessalazar9068]

Based walter

[@theunknown7441]

Serious that's your question lol hahahaa that's why you're just a consumer of course corporate companies wants money money runs the world if you're still not aware of it by now.

[@Pigeonfanatic9]

@@theunknown7441 Because company lose what made them money in the first place and makes them lose money. That's dumb and you would know so too if you read the comment ar all.

[@chrishowell6469]

I've been saying this since the Disney+ shows started. They should've made them films and released them as exclusive movies to the platform. The MCU is a film franchise, and the shows break that formula and add way too much watch time to its overall run. And yes, that is a problem. People only have so much time in their day to day lives to fit in 20+ hours of additional MCU content. But also, as you stated, it just feels like I'm watching a 2 hour film over 6 hours.

[@teambattleground9076]

Winter Soldier, still my favorite. Grounded, well directed, you felt the stakes were high. Cap was vulnerable. Great chemistry between protagonists. That fight on the highway, still one of the best action scenes to date. Bring back Russo Bros and where have all the good writers gone? They've been replaced with social political activists who inject "the message" in everything they work on. Marvel's downfall has been that they forgot cinema is about escapism. People don't want to be preached to they just want to be entertained.

[@danrgoodnight9345]

THIS !

[@bxcellent_87]

God you hit this shit on the head!... Absolutely agree & The Winter Soldier is my favorite marvel movie to this day💯

[@nicholas3585]

You've been watching the Drinker haven't you!

[@teambattleground9076]

@@nicholas3585 heck yeah :)

[@julianlaresch6266]

The "message" half the time isn't even good.... female character badass with dumb male characters .. it gets old real fast

[@technocore1591]

Yeah, She-Hulk is rough. I was watching the 3rd episode, the courtroom scene where the cartoonishly horrible guy is suing a shapeshifting elf that's a diplomat to Asgard for defrauding him by pretending to be Megan Thee Stallion so he'd buy her gifts... and I caught myself thinking, "Why am I watching this?" That was an MCU low point for me. I would say another problem is they appear to be using writers/directors who don't seem to know or care about the characters. I mean, look at Black Widow. They treated her like she was Cap or Thor with regards to her seeming to be superhuman. How many times did something happen to her in that movie and you wondered, "Why is she still alive?" Or take the scene where they break Red Guardian out of prison. Here you have two of the most highly trained espionage/secret agents in the world working together and they go in blowing everything up? Scene should have played out like a heist where they go in, get him out in a super slick way and nobody has any idea what happened. Missed opportunities. Or look at the Spider-Man movie which only works if Dr. Strange is an idiot. Or the Dr. Strange movie which has a huge scene based on the idea the smartest man alive is an idiot? I think Disney gave Feige a fat check to bastardize the MCU for D+ subs and Feige took the money and checked out.

[@dimaur3697]

well sum

[@tranngockha6562]

Yep

[@GLC48]

When I watched that courtroom scene, I couldn't help but mentally compare it to the courtroom scenes in Daredevil, and how weak She-Hulk's version was in comparison. Don't get me wrong, I think the shows/films have a right to be silly and fun. Even the twerking scene I don't mind because it was just a fun post credits scene that was just meant to be a fun gag. But there's still a line, and She-Hulk crossed it for me. Much like Thor 4, She-Hulk's courtroom scene made me feel less like I was watching a show that was goofy lighthearted, and more like I was watching a show that was unintentionally parodying itself. It felt like an SNL skit.

[@hakaigonzalez7253]

The bridge scene in black widow was freakin hilarious. She's not human.

[@pokalen4963]

I agree. Its basically Feigeverse now and that seems to lead to the CW-formula of storytelling.

[@dream4melove207]

Wandavision and Moon Knight we’re the two mcu projects I watch and left me wanting more. I loved the anticipation for the next episode. But so sad with the way they handled Wanda in doctor strange. I’m looking forward to moon knight season 2. Oscar did an amazing job! Edit: SHANG CHI WAS AMAZING! I was only focusing on shows but I saw this movie two days in a row in the theatre! It was truly amazing! Overall beautiful! 😤👌✨

[@ElPatron42069]

Wandavision was fucking terrible and cringey as hell

[@sspectre8217]

@@ElPatron42069 I disagree but that's a respectable opinion

[@sspectre8217]

I really Liked Moon Knight, Loki and Wandavision. I was honestly pissed off about how they handled her in Doctor Strange 2, it makes sense for her to become villainous with the Darkhold but they just handled it terribly and now Wanda's struggles in Wandavision feel like they were wasted and just an excuse to introduce the Multiverse. Hopefully they don't drop the ball with Loki and Moonknight in future iterations like they did with Wanda.

[@smcauley600]

she is an anti hero!!!

[@smcauley600]

@@ElPatron42069 cringey? are you 5

[@nicholascazmay2126]

It should have ended with End Game. We know which characters kept the MCU glued together… their departure was the end. I knew with Iron Man’s death it was over for me. Pity Disney didn’t realize that.