MPC One vs Akai Force - Streetfighter style matchup

Decided to give the MPC One a good look, and did an old school streetfighter style match up with my Force. If you're curious about how the Force and the MPC One compare - this is your chance!
Time Stamp Links:
1:24 Round 1 - Hardware
2:06 Round 2 - Pads
4:06 Round 3 - Pad Colors
5:36 Round 4 - Knobs
7:45 Round 5 - Clips
10:15 Round 6 - Note Repeat
14:06 Round 7 - Sound Banks
16:25 Round 8 - Song Mode
18:40 Round 9 - MIDI
21:53 Round 10 - XY Pad
23:02 Round 11 - Sampler
25:25 Round 12 - Workflow
27:28 (Round 13 - Mixing)
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[@claytoncarpenter9463]

Love all the info given in these reviews! Key variable in my decision. Keep it up! All you tutorials are well appreciated.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

🍟🍟🍟 thanks for commenting

[@IdontLik3Musik]

These kind of videos are really appreciated: good job; I am a user of MPC Studio, and last year I bought a really low price Akai Force, without many expectations, and I have not yet used it, basically because I like to "burn stages", and the time has not come yet in Akai Force, but I think this video gives me a good idea to start estimating it a little more.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Glad I could help!

[@BoxedMinds]

The note repeat functions as a arp on the mpc one when using plug-ins. Add a pedal and it's your latch switch to turn it on and off even faster.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

👍

[@_0O0O0O0_]

I came to this video leaning towards the Force and ended up liking the One better. My goal is to control external gear more than sample and I'd like to have a central station where I can perform all the other gear. The thing I like about the Force is that I can see all my tracks and play phrases like you mentioned. That's a huge selling point for me but I feel that the One does a better job implementing MIDI leaving it much more flexible than the Force. Thanks for this video. It helped a lot.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

It's all about finding what works best for you.

[@jason3534]

Thanks for the vid. I got the force about two weeks ago, I love learning it. Without these vids, I would be lost. I am bummed about no song arranger mode yet.

[@Indiegoldmedia]

I love the intro to the review let’s see if this will help me create some content on reviews on this.

[@nucentury08]

There is arranger mode 😎

[@skatenate7252]

God bless updates

[@chuk8613]

Good vid! For the note repeat changing on the fly you need to latch it first, then all you gotta do is hold the note or notes and switch between time divisions while holding the note. You don't need to hold the note repeat button cause it'll be latched. That's the way i do it on my MPC studio. I assume it's the same on the one. :)

[@quimzealex9629]

Fantastic! video Thanks

[@mileslacour1992]

HADUKEN.... great ratio demonstration. 👍😉

[@FutureFenyx]

For rolls on force set up arp, then to activate different time divs, shift+bottom row TC then you can use the touch screen to change divisions while you play

[@Nyiamtv]

Got em both . Sweet review . Shift navigate to get to the xy on the force. Been using arranger mode on the force and it is awesome def putting the mpc song mode in the graveyard .

[@jason3534]

Beta?

[@jason3534]

Beta?

[@torchedbeats9769]

I owned the MPC Live for a year. While I loved its portability, I hated the workflow. I am a heavy Maschine and Bitwig user so I found the workflow of the Mpc so foreign. Things that took seconds to do in Maschine took menu diving to do on the Mpc. I've wondered about the Force because it seems like a different workflow. Any thoughts on this?

[@MEGAHOUSETV]

love this

[@myceliumtechno]

Aftertouch works really well on the MPC ONE pads. Not so on the Force. Also MPC ONE's seem to be more precise in applying different levels of pressure.

[@StarRock442]

I think an interesting match up would be against the MPC One and the MPC 1000. I noted so many similarities with the One and 1000. Of course the 1000 is older and doesn't benefit from updated hardware but it's still a damm good sampler. Thinking of bringing mine back and seeing how it can pair up with the Force.

[@sonikblaksmif]

Man I luv this video!!!! I wish they Come ON with that song mode for the Force!!!!!! But they nailed it with the MPC Live 2..

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Check out my recent video that's a sneak peak at song mode on the Force (if you haven't seen it yet).

[@mojodrum3215]

Great job! I also have the Force and have been thinking about getting the mpc one. I've never owned a mpc what about pairing them together do you think it's overkill? They both do have there limitations but after your comparison l might just stick with the Force. :)

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Yeah - I don't think they would pair well together. The only thing I've done, is use like an Akai MPD 226, hook that up with MIDI, and then being able to have a more playable set of pads.

[@SrReyesVision]

I have them both and the one annoying thing for me with the Force is that you have a global BPM and can't assign different ones to different scenes. With the MPC One, you have no problems assigning different BPM's to individual sequences (scenes). Great video!

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Good point - should've included that. It would've been a win for the MPC one.

[@jason3534]

Shift + navigate at same time gets to xy effects on force.

[@okeribok]

Weird that these products are so different in many little ways! Overall both of them seem in some way unfinished. Akai needs to get the guy that did jjos to work on both mpc and force.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

omg....right? I don't understand how one company creates two products that would be darn near perfect....if they just combined the best from both of them.

[@summerWTFE]

Well, this way they can sell two products.

[@okeribok]

@@summerWTFE Amazing how un-artisanal Akai seem to be happy to sell two half finished products, instead of one really good one (deluge anoybody?)

[@summerWTFE]

okeribok I also don’t understand why the spend so much time on Ableton integration. I mean, you buy these products to get away from the computer.

[@lbrown7164]

@@summerWTFE Ableton is the standard so it is hard to ignore it but I agree they are wasting time. I bought my MPC live to get away from my laptop

[@VJFranzK]

still like portability of the MPC Live. any thoughts on the (not so) new challenger? another thing : mc707

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

I did like that battery! I just really don't like the MPC system/strategy. But I love that MPC live box (besides the knobs). But the outputs, inputs, pads, etc. - awesome stuff.

[@LurkingCrassZero]

Hey man. Love your vids and sub'd the other day. I want to get into making my own music and am looking to buy a standalone piece of hardware. I was going to get either an MPC Live or and MPC One, until I seen your vids of the Force. I can't source an MPC live in the UK. Theres £200 difference between the One and the Force atm. As a total beginner, which do you think I should I go for? Is there any other standalone music production hardware out there?

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

They are really very different. You should do more research on how mpc workflow is.

[@PinkuStyle]

Nice review. in a nut shell one is better for live performances while the other production however both can be used for both. I have composed some complex songs that require all four banks on the MPC which would have only required one face on the Force.. however I am production based and perform live and just prefer the good ole 16 pads.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Those pads are pretty damn nice on the MPC!

[@Weareroses]

Last night I decided the mpc one is the one for me… then This morning, I watch this video… still can’t decide 😂

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Haha 🤣🤣👌👌

[@christianschroer1999]

Im happy that I bought the akai force.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

✌️✌️

[@petrusbarbatusberolinensis2102]

What I keep wondering: How can you create and save your own user drum KITS on the Force? There's nothing on that in the manual.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Yeah...their manual is trash. You just create a kit, then hit the save button.

[@Fevaboy2011]

Great vid, can you export your finished beat as mp3 or wav file straight from the akai force?

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Yes

[@Fevaboy2011]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy thank you

[@youtubenatan]

When you get used to the MPC One and the pads, it is really nice. It took me awhile to get used to the feel, but once you do, it just feels really great with the velocities that your pressing. There are so many things that I don't like about the Akai Force. The knob button is way at the top right, and there are too many pads. For me that's overwhelming. And it's so much bigger than the MPC One too. I'm surprised how much bigger because the MPC One is not that small like people say it is. Don't get me wrong though, I would definitely bang out some beats on the Force, but it's just not for me. It's still a nice piece of equipment though, but the MPC One is definitely for me and my workflow, and I'm banging out beat after beat on it...SBN RESONATE

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

✌️✌️

[@Amzsounds97]

What you recommend for live looping and there’s any news about new force or something

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

No idea of about new force. Prob won't ever happen. Imagine they didn't make enough on this to make it worth it. Prob just going to do updates.

[@Sey_Les]

I come from the novation circuit world and I’m thinking about getting a mpc one. Solely for those pads I really have a pet peeve about smashing other pads when I’m recording. Just can’t decide between that and the force now. So many options. I guess I could always return it if I don’t like it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

They are pretty different, in terms of workflow. You can also use like an MPD to play the force, if you really like those pads better.

[@ModernDevotion]

You can change repeat faster if you’re in the clip screen on the force.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

via the TC button? I suppose that's a little faster. But it's still not as smooth as the MPC one.

[@MaxPowerz01]

The foce has the same amount of pad banks as the one A-H, The force also has a song arrangement mode (automating launch sequences) but it's currently in beta and only available to beta testers,Hopefully this new software update should be out soon, Unfortunately Nick Trikakis has been let go by InMusic (Akai) and he was one of the contractors working on the force, so updates may be a bit further away than we hope. Best option is too Google Akai Force Beta and apply for beta testing, you'll get access to the song arranger mode and a new drum synth feature.

[@MaxPowerz01]

On the Force, Hold down shift and press the Navigate button, its the shortcut to the X/Y mixing pad....

[@MD_is_me]

I'm glad I read so far into the replies. This news about Mr. Trikakis means it's a pretty sure bet the Force will be EOL in 2021; this lines up with the price drop, additional holiday discounting, and the fact that it will be two years old in Feb 2021. I'll not be placing the order I currently have pending. Perhaps Ableton will release their own, more complete, standalone hardware with plugins.

[@bradleylinemihler]

Does the force allow you to mixdown your final song down to a wav file like the MPC one? My plan is to use the drums and bass from the AKAI and record audio and midi from my Roland synth...

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

yes!

[@bradleylinemihler]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy thanks!

[@spot1119]

If you’re an ableton user would it be just as good to get a live or a one and just have a launchpad for ableton? Just wondering for my own setup.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Depends... If you want a standalone, then you can't do Ableton. But if you are willing to carry around and use a laptop, then ableton will be best

[@InkyDaCaT]

Shift n navigate (button above) takes you to xy on Force😉

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Sweet - thanks!

[@InkyDaCaT]

Also sampling to pad on mpc was not on first version ...it was added because it used to be same as Force.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

There's hope then!

[@InkyDaCaT]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy always..in all ways. 😌

[@InkyDaCaT]

I have force and live.....I like the fact you can use an arp on drums on Force 😀

[@michaelseale3672]

Hey there, I don’t know anyone who owns Push, Force, MPC, Etc... but I’m really interested in Force with Live. I’d be wanting to integrate my guitar, vocals/lyrics with Force in a blues/ambient atmosphere. Have you found the Force to be a fairly blank canvass as opposed to being kinda limited to dj, house, electronic/trance? Thx, Michael

[@InkyDaCaT]

@@michaelseale3672 Id say it can be used for any song creation?

[@InkyDaCaT]

@Santiago Asimov imho the new force update makes it better than my live...but the workflow is not the same....that took ages to get.

[@MD_is_me]

@@michaelseale3672 This is something that interests me as well. All these similar products are geared toward 4 on the floor. Polyrhythmic, microtonal, and other non 4x4 capabilities aren't just for left-field, glitch, or ambient music; these are compositional elements that work to make IDM and IHH next level.

[@osands]

on midi track(akai force) hit step sequence button to cycle through notes drums mode etc

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

mmm....yeah, that sort of works. But it's still locked in the "melodic" format. To my understanding, you can't do a "kit" with MIDI. Where you could assign what MIDI note each pad plays, or change the color of those individual pads.

[@bobcatt2294]

I would also mention that the undo is restricted and if there is one, you only have one level of undo.

[@peterkadarmusic9728]

Another consideration is internal storage. You can add an SSD to everything in the Akai line except the One.. you can only use the SD card on that and it’s meagre internal drive. AFAIK the One doesn’t let your computer see its attached drives when it’s connected either, which is different compared to my Live at least.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Good points. That wasn't important to me, but could be for others.

[@GearAddict90210]

You can now see the SD card of the ONE when connected to a computer

[@peterkadarmusic9728]

@@GearAddict90210 The Live always allowed it; do you mean the One?

[@GearAddict90210]

@@peterkadarmusic9728 yes, apologies

[@BuleriaChk]

One other point (I think). Coming from an Ableton and maschine+ background, I tried and rejected the Force because I couldn't find time signature in the manual; everything seemed limited to 4/4. Much later, I discovered that the Force handles time signature on a clip by clip basis, rather than a project basis. (Implemented as clip length in terms of beats.) That was strange to me, because all the other MPC's do mention it (including software MPC) as a project setting, not a clip setting, as far as I can tell. I missed it in the mnual, and Akai didn't help things by not referencing time signarure anywhere in the manual. Now that I know this, I am reconsidering the force as an MPC controller rather than my current MPC Live.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

The Akai manuals are crap, that's for sure!

[@VinylWave11]

I have the Push 2 and will be using Ableton Live almost all of the time. For me the Force is too much like my Push 2 and is not near as easy to use, useful, and or efficient , and Push 2 has much nicer pads and is totally integrated into the Ableton workflow. The form factor of the MPC One is an instrument with just the right size and options. I am looking for a playable instrument that is not another Push 2, which plays all of my VSTs and supports so much more than Force. I think the MPC One would win if I did this matchup, while the MPC X would even be much more ideal or really a perfect MPC instrument except for how big it is which also is a pro (If I had an MPC X I am sure I would absolutely love it) . Really the limitations of the MPC One is a focused instrument, the only thing that the MPC One is missing for me is the rest of the synth engine that is on the X. However, I love the size of the MPC One. I am not sure I want to give so much space to a device like the MPC X. Thank you for your opinion.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Nice thoughts. Have you ever tried using the MPC software? It sounds like you're mostly looking at the shell for the MPC X (and MPC one). But if you're used to using Ableton, you might find the MPC workflow/software to be super lame. That's what killed the MPC Live for me. I loved the box, the pads, and the portability. But coming from a heavy Ableton background, I could just not groove with the MPC.

[@ashfaq1999]

Thanks Johnathan, which is best for that old school hip hop sound.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

mmm...they both have the same sounds. And access to the same samples/kits/etc. The difference is more in workflow. MPC workflow is very different from the force. The Force is more like Ableton. The MPC is a tad better for sample chopping - per how you can chop immediately to random pads.

[@ashfaq1999]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy Many Thanks !!

[@ansar714]

What inputs the Akai force have for external speakers?

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

The force cannot power speakers on its own. Needs an amplifier

[@JohnnyJohnHub]

maybe a small update because of the last two akai updates?

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

thinking about doing that!

[@Nightmare1up00]

You think it's time for an update vs vid maybe? Anything new to note?

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

hmmm....I might do that. Good point. Maybe when the next Force update happens.

[@callmemurphz]

I hear that the MPC one is impossible to use without the touch screen because it doesn't have the up/down arrows to choose tracks, etc. I'd prefer to not have to ever use a touch screen. Do you have to use the touch screen with the AKAI Force or can you get away with never having to use it? thanks

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Mmm....good point.

[@callmemurphz]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy i asked you a question and you said good point. wtf

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

terrycloth verysoft sorry...must have been in a hurry and missed your last question. You do have to use it, no way around it. But most things can be controlled with buttons or knobs. Or at least, once you set some things up to put controls on knobs.

[@junglsmor]

i think its actually 64x2 which would make a total of 128 pads. since when you press octave up it moves up by ONE pad bank. because there are 8 lettera of pad banks A B C D E F G H. also i hope the force gets those cool midi implementations. using the xy pad to control a hardware synth parameter would be so fun

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Ah - I didn't test that. Good catch. Still a ton....

[@GraysonZimmer]

What about the plugin synths the One has.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

The One has less, I believe. But I gave it back to my friend, so can't check.

[@intricatecinnamonhat9150]

ARE YOU KEN? HALLO KEN. HALLO KEN!

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

🤣🤣🤣

[@InkyDaCaT]

Want midi stuff on Force though..lol

[@SNOwyte]

but the mpc one has midi ins and outs n it didnt appear the force did

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Force does...they are just the small headphone jack kind

[@SNOwyte]

Pink Buddha oh like Elektron Model: Samples

[@SamuMusical-Aprendatocar]

Nice review! But I stay with MPC one

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

✌️ you gotta figure out what's best for you

[@ShaighJosephson]

Force is definitely way out in front with the latest update... People are bumming that they got rid of it now...

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Haha - you might be right.

[@ericsummers2112]

I would like to see Akai Force vs Novation Launchpad Mk3. That would be a interesting video

[@17cortland74]

Eric Summers I’d have to double check but if Launchpad doesn’t make sound it wouldn’t make sense to compare it to the Akai Force. It would be a midi controller against a full featured hardware music production unit.

[@ericsummers2112]

17 Cortland Yes it is a midi controller , Push 2 also midi controller as well. Still will make for good comparison

[@17cortland74]

@@ericsummers2112 I assume since Push 2 is specifically designed for use in Ableton and the Force is not then by default Push 2 would be better for that application. I don't use Ableton but in the Akai Force group(s) on Facebook I've seen a few people complaining about the Force's Ableton integration.

[@chadmuskaa2806]

MPC LIVE!! =)

[@livinproof718]

Do you still own both ?

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

No...I was just borrowing the mpc one

[@mjashonorebelion3386]

8 - 6 !

[@doswellbeats]

I think once they put the mpc one out the Force took a fall what do you think?

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Well - mostly just cause it's new, and cheaper. It's really just an inexpensive/condensed MPC product. Force is pretty different, unrefined, and under-appreciated at the moment.

[@nikoblaze5178]

There's an easier way to use the Note Repeat/ Time Division! Just hold the "NOTE" button down while the "ARP" button is selected and then the Time Division will be displayed on the screen making it easier to go through the time signatures without having to use the "Knobs"..... Trust me you'll thank me later! lol

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Thanks for the tip! I wish akai had better design teams. It sometimes feels like they don't really think about workfliw that musicians would want. And don't make it intuitive enough.

[@nikoblaze5178]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy I wholeheartedly agree!

[@francesco5061]

That shirt tho

[@RalphLindsen]

Isn’t the force way more expensive?

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

How do you define "way?" Retail list price is $300 more expensive. But lots of used Force's for sale for $800. So that's really only a $100 price difference, if you're willing to get a used Force.

[@RalphLindsen]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy Well yeah, second hand, but still, keeping the original price in mind, they are at a different class.

[@RalphLindsen]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy Also i'm a cameraman in the middle of a covidcrisis, so yeah, everything i expensive when all your jobs are cancelled :'( :P Atm, I'm selling off my electribes in the hope i can afford an mpc one

[@mdillard473]

Honestly the akai force is a novation launchpad a loop machine but the mpc one is better for my type of workflow

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

You know, in the end, you gotta go with the work flow that resonates with you! I'm 100% behind that!

[@jimedwards4901]

Force wins by far now with it's updates.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

✌️

[@ThisIsMotherfucker]

MPC won that shit. Flawless victory.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

haha - so you're an MPC lover?

[@trixtrix1536]

I have both the akai force and akai mpc live 2. guess what, I got them both for absolutely free. I got them from a huge online retailer. Their name rhymes with Tron. i’ll let you try to figure out how and where I got them. but I am 100% being honest and for real. I got them both for absolutely free, zilch, nada!!!

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Lol..how did you get them for free?

[@andrejdamis7263]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy burglary.

[@daryn86]

Ngl. Your mic noise could easily be taken out with a vst post production. Please do that next time. lol Good video though.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Haha

[@raphymartinez]

As soon as you said the pads were equal as far as points the bias was too obvious. Nice video though

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Lol...which one do you think I'm biased towards?

[@tresporros]

mate, you are def no-mpc lad:). mpc been in the bizz like 35 years(?), if you ever used mpc before, any of them, you just swap quickly and workflow is fast

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Haha...yeah, I'm definitely biased against the mpc workflow. I don't like it! But I'll own that.

[@bobcatt2294]

This video nails it on the head, these products are in many ways not compatible, the workflow is not sorted out. You learn on one, you then have to make logic of what is done differently on the other like machine. Big mistake I say. I am looking for another solution. Thumbs up.

[@DJDigitalJosh]

I've never owned an Akai product, but someday I'll get one. I'd prefer the Force over live or one. I currently have 5 Roland Samplers & 1 Casio. 😁 check out my vids.

[@vancozzin8998]

4:50 "I just kind of rectum." ????

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Haha...that's a funny mishearing. "I just sort of wrecked it"

[@saneneweyes6189]

@@PinkBuddhaAcademy Rectum (Wrecked 'em)? Damn near killed 'em... :-p

[@liamhebden8857]

The song mode is wht drove me away from the Akai line... you really need a DAW to do it properly... so just start it and finish in a DAW, spend way less money

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

That's definitely easier. Song mode (arranger) is in beta for the force. So it's coming. For production only....yes, a DAW is definitely faster. Not as easy to perform with though.

[@XBASS247]

i disagree , you can use one sequence like a daw , or have each sequence and program them be hiting the pads like maschice has scenes ,put uou can hit them in which order you want ,and record that way too if want , ya both need too spend more time with it

[@Hhyperspace]

Hold On!!! You gave the pads points for both and in the end didn't recognize it. That's a judge error. And you are personally more bias towards the Force because you don't understand the new MPC workflow...you said it. Plus, these are two different machines. The Force is really based off Clip/Scene styled DAW's and the One is a homage to classic MPC but with all the New. You can't judge the One for clips. It's a Raw Sampler.

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Haha...I was wondering who was going to notice the wrong score. I finished sharing the video before I noticed that. Good catch! Knockout points to you!

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

And yes...it's not a fair fight. I'm biased.

[@johnjohnjohnh]

to save you time. 8-5 Akai Force wins. 29:53

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Lol...spoiler alert!

[@songwriterdc1899]

I have to say this is really not a good comparison, this is like comparing a hollow body jazz guitar to a heavy metal electric guitar, the same but not the same. These serve different purposes

[@PinkBuddhaAcademy]

Well - to me, it feels like comparing two different types of Apples. Not quite like comparing an apple and an orange. What different "purpose" do you feel like they serve? They are both standalone machines on which you can make music. And they certainly have a different strategy/focus, but I think the "purpose" is more or less the same. But please challenge me on that, if you want. I'm curious how you see it different.

[@songwriterdc1899]

I like your description of both , but i actually own both of them , and the workflow is not the same

[@saneneweyes6189]

@@songwriterdc1899 the market isn't saturated enough for a fight that is more... apples to apples by your definition. But for those, myself like myself, looking for a standalone machine to get me out-of-the-box, this is extremely helpful. I mean in terms of work flow you could say deluge and force might be a better comparison but that wouldn't be fair because the deluge is more like a beefed up circuit... But that wouldn't be a fair comparison... point is there isn't enough market saturation for a proper 1:1 Fender Stratocaster vs Gibson Les Paul style debate. I do appreciate your perspective because I'm not loaded with money so I will only be able to drop 700 to 1000USD on one unit. I'm still kind of up in the air as to if I'm going after deluge, one, force.. im not really sure because I'm one of those FL fan boys of old and the only piece of hardware I ever fully clicked with was the MC909... so I'm not used to the mpc work flow or the ableton-style clip work flow... though in retrospect I suppose the 909 was like a 16 track clip arranger rompler. So yea sorry for the rambles, point is jury is still out for me.