There Is Another RAT In The Gang In Red Dead Redemption 2 & It's NOT Who You Think It Is! (RDR2)

[@tronny4981]

Pearson seemed to care about anyone in the gang, Micah most likely was playing both sides

[@hellcrasher8139]

Better yet shawn was part of that train robbery and john told him and if you remember didn't you say Shawn was sweet on Karen john told shawn shawn told Karen she told the law and at the end of chapter six Karen is no where to be seen

[@hellcrasher8139]

Don't I got a point

[@tronny4981]

@@hellcrasher8139 yeah that seems to be pretty accurate

[@hellcrasher8139]

Rockstar didn't say any thing I figgered it out does eplog I research Karen and watch every video now she's not even anywhere so why is she hidden easy she's a rat hiding from the gang she knows what happens if she rats now everyone thinks it's micah but the truth be told Milton does not get him until he gets back from the islands that don't excuse karen but that don't match the train robbery how did the law show up so fast because the new paper said that some gave them a hint

[@thelegendandregomes1258]

@@hellcrasher8139 Because you take a lot of time robbing the train . Sean is watching the back . Arthur even tells him : you haven't taken a look yet . Which means a guard went to the road found a stranger with a horse . Went to Rhodes and told the law about the train robbery. The law came as fast as they could

[@thatbadkid4679]

Idk if anyone else noticed, but Abigail started struggling with the ropes as soon as they started talking about who told on the gang, I kind of got the feeling that she was starting to panic that Milton would say that she tipped them off about the Scarlett Meadows job. So she started struggling to get unbound to stop Milton from talking. Idk. Just a thought I had when watching this over again

[@jasonhansen8035]

I mean it’s reasonable

[@learyt9665]

Not to mention when milton find out where arthur is while fishing with jack but he doesn't know where the camp is

[@docholliday2571]

If John and Abigail were rats, then we would have had atleast some small detail or a conversation AFTER the story was over but there was none. Plus there's no way she predicted the exact spot for fishing where the Pinkertons showed up. In my opinion, there was NO RAT in the gang, its like Arthur said "We don't need a rat" The law was getting more intelligent day by day and the outlaw gangs were getting more sloppier. Considering Milton already knew about the Cornwall train robbery back in Chapter 1. I was thinking about the conversation Trelawny had with Dutch during the first mission in Rhodes, something about the "Super Agents", Dutch replied to it by saying "I'd like to meet one". Got me thinking maybe Milton played them all.

[@jacktcustoms341]

The rat is Karen Jones. This would explain why she just disappears after the game. It would also explain why she starts to really drink after Sean's death. She's feels guilty for causing his death.

[@hellcrasher8139]

im with you on that your seeig the same thing as i am

[@ToDamnRight]

Hah damn I thought I was the first to post this 😂 ... But yes it does seem to be pointing to her

[@logandixon6254]

That is true

[@justinmcg2353]

Either her or Mary Beth. Mary Beth was a "writer" staying with them.

[@hunterquinn6164]

She drinks cause she loved him

[@coltonraret6342]

Milton, that cough is *L U M B A G O*

[@brandonbahrenburg6962]

It's a very painful Disease

[@johnmarston8963]

T B

[@melvincanales1080]

😂

[@HeTurnsWhiteRulersBrown]

It’s TB

[@nikolinadakulovic4106]

🤣🤣

[@korb9664]

Micah was an O'Driscol all the time and wanted the gang dead. When the O'Driscol gang went wrong (leader got hanged and a bit before that too), he decided that the pinkertons were a better choice. Why the law always knew about robberies: Colm hated Dutch and wanted him and his gang dead. So he told the law every time there was a robbery. Why Colm got hanged: Idk he seemed to like ropes

[@tatsuhirosatou5513]

Only problem with your idea i micah ratted to the Pinkerton long before colm was caught.

[@truthspeaker9497]

@@tatsuhirosatou5513 in the earlier chapters after breaking Micah out of jail in strawberry, if you go to micah’s camp you can find Dutch’s wanted reward poster. My theory is Micah knew Dutch was untouchable if he were to go and try to capture him, so Micah planned to get close to Dutch and bring him in for that reward, and make money with along the way. The perfect plan to get rich and be on the good side of the law, and Dutch.

[@canadianchamp1980]

this is 100% correct, they hung Colm after Guarma because they had Micah and didnt need Colm anymore.

[@mythbunkers4716]

Micah wasn't ever an O'driscol. He just hung out with them to formulate something. He probably made a deal with them by sending Arthur up top for him to get kidnapped hoping that Colm kills Arthur. After that plan failed he started to actively play Dutch after Guarma and deliver info to Pinkertons. Perhaps after Leviticus Cornwall was shot Micah started to rat to Pinkertons as he realized that he might get half of Bounty for members of Van Der Linde gang and live on his own free from the law.

[@gokturktutuncu9383]

Micah was never an O'Driscoll because before he joined the gang we know that he was an outlaw with his father Micah Bell II and also.Micah told the pinkertons about the gang way before Colm O'driscoll got hanged and died

[@wyattps4440]

So Micah ratted to local lawmen about the train job. And then he ratted to Milton/Pinkertons after Guarma. Not that complicated.

[@hellcrasher8139]

Micah didn't even know about the robbery Shawn did and he told Karen and she turned it in to the law why is it you find everyone else but karen think about it

[@wyattps4440]

Hell Crasher why would Karen rat? Doesn’t really make sense. Also I don’t think you can be sure Micah didn’t know about the heist. Just because he wasn’t involved in the heist don’t mean he didn’t know.

[@wyattps4440]

mcfriters because hopefully (for Micah) the lawmen would catch Arthur, and John and whoever else was on the job and that would help Micah so he could gain even more trust/influence with Dutch.

[@blaine8197]

Wyatt PS4 Remember that agent Milton said that Micah started ratting them out after Guarma

[@wyattps4440]

Blaine Micah ratted to local authorities for that and not to pinkertons

[@law3276]

Pearson and Abigail would never do that. Pearson was proud of being in the gang (loyal until the end, but sometimes complaining) and Abigail wouldn't go to *that* extent to save jack and john

[@moelester6420]

Law i don’t think he was in shady bell he complains about being in the swamps with a gang of outlaws on the run

[@projectzorgo2693]

Moe Lester no but he's there all the time

[@moelester6420]

There’s suppose to be a pause right there it suppose to be I don’t think he was. In shady bell sorry for the inconvenience

[@karimharedy4990]

Person he can be the rat But abigail not

[@darthbaker0247]

@@moelester6420 you could have just used a comma

[@CaptainKotetsu]

Micah could’ve been giving anonymous tips before getting caught after Guarma. What are the odds that the Pinkertons would find him by chance after Guarma? And also, did you notice that Micah was the only one wearing an all-white suit during the St. Denis robbery? This is textbook behavior for a rat who isn’t officially identified by his benefactors. He could’ve sent them a letter that said not to shoot the guy in white since he’s their lead. That would ensure Micah’s safety even though most of the Pinkertons didn’t know what he looked like.

[@wyndlacroix3953]

I honestly think it could've been Karen....she kept asking in camp when she was going to get to go on another job with the gang and was made to stay in camp with the rest of the women. She knew where Arthur was taking Jack fishing, as well as knowing information about other "jobs" the gang members were involved in. Once other gang members started getting killed because of the Pinkertons, she started drinking more heavily...possibly because she couldn't deal with her guilt over their deaths, especially Sean's and Hosea's...and it was awful strange how towards the end, she just "disappeared" and no one seemed to know where she went when the boys came back from Guarma yet everyone else was accounted for....just my opinion

[@marklowe3913]

Also Abigail suspiciously “slipped away” when they grabbed Hosea

[@ETn4606]

True

[@mick4316]

Abigail was also claimed to be a great pickpocket. So slipping away is a part being a a good pickpocket. Just a thought

[@IMNTV]

@@mick4316 this is how I feel like it went It was across town in saint denis between when Arthur and Dutch went into the vault and the explosion Abigail and Hosea make, hosea sees the pinkertons coming toward them he realizes abigail cant do it so he tells her to run and hosea gets captured while Abigail goes back to Shady belle to tell sadie what happened, meanwhile hosea was shot and the gang shoots there way to the docks and goes to guarma

[@codybrown4402]

I say it was Strauss

[@spronson307]

true

[@dennyellis7876]

ik milton says they picked up micah after guarma but i personally think that he was a pinkerton from the start

[@eliasia7145]

Firstly, how could he be a pinkerton agent if he was an outlaw 🤦‍♂️, and they might have picked him up and threatened or tortured him to talk and he did Secondly, if the game says he got picked up when they came back from the carribean, then that's what happened

[@undeaddgaming7725]

How could he be a fucking Pinkerton if he literally slaughtered an entire fucking town?

[@pineapplescat]

UndeaddGaming think about , micah says over and over "i am a survivor" micah played both sides (pinkertons and van der linde gang) since the jump

[@AlexDaNoobyDog]

Micah was no pinkerton i mean they almost hung him within the first 2 chapters of the game he was lowkey crazy. Micah was out for survival he states whether he be disloyal or not. The best contenders are the people who arent talked about like the girls of the camp tilly mary and so on straus and maybe even bill. Bill is the most quiet in the camp. And it honestly couldve been uncle since he would do anything to survive and protect those he loved which would include arthur the marstons hosea and pearson i dont think he had much of an attachment with others mostly except for the girls...

[@jaysonmcginnis133]

I'm no Guineas on the laws of 1899 but I don't think a man that commits genocide could be a Pinkerton

[@owen4797]

It could be Uncle because it’s too much work for him 😂

[@robin8242]

I got *L U M B A G O*

[@juanlongoria423]

I agree because the same thing happens to John in part 1

[@schrute3377]

What about his lumbago??????

[@clamchowdah9140]

Why watch a clickbaiting youtuber

[@beedykh2235]

It COULDN'T be Uncle because RATTING would be too much work for him. He is just there sleeping, drinking and living like a leach on everyone's back. 😂😂

[@spartanhuntergaming]

Made me laugh how over confident Milton was that he'd kill Arthur

[@hanksoandso8778]

Nobody replays chapter 1 so it's easy to miss but there is dialog where questions are asked about Pearson. He wasn't at camp immediately after the blackwater job and was apparently unable to pack any food before they left even though his only responsibility is food.

[@felix_zero]

If there is a second rat it is trelawny. He seems to play both sides and disappears and reappears and always knows more than he should

[@just0dab0ssxd]

Felix The Barber Trelawny has a family that the gang doesn’t know about, which is likely the reason he’s always disappearing

[@NibiruKingYoshua12]

Sounds about right... Even lenny suspected it when him & aurther did there mission about the brayweigths

[@alexmcclinsey9958]

Damn 😱 Now that's thinking outside the box 🤔 I never thought about Trelawny being a rat

[@felix_zero]

@@just0dab0ssxd or its a good cover for being a rat

[@felix_zero]

@@alexmcclinsey9958 i thought it about halfway through. Trelawny does whats best for trelawny

[@fps_shooter_0014]

I mean if it is Abigail it makes sense how she slipped away. Somehow. And she told John not to go after Miche bell in the end of the story

[@jamess8853]

Abigail was captured by Milton she didn't just slip away. The rat is just Micha.

[@ACFSPADS]

That’s true

[@ACFSPADS]

And Abigail and Milton could have been acting like they captured her

[@jamess8853]

@@ACFSPADS why would she act though she really loved John other wise she never would had accepted him even in rdr1 they were trying to be happy

[@capn.c5321]

@@jamess8853 rdr 2 is rdr 1 and rdr1 is rdr 2 for chronological purposes

[@thisisgaming5167]

I think Micha was a O'Driscol from the start and at the end of chapter 5 he changed to work with the pinkertons

[@ripvanwinkle1590]

Micah

[@thisisgaming5167]

@@ripvanwinkle1590 thanks for letting me know I spelt Micah wrong :))

[@thisisgaming5167]

@@ripvanwinkle1590 thanks for letting me know I spelt Micah wrong :))

[@fatlacesthedon]

🤔 he met Colm O'Driscol with Dutch, if Micha was an O'Driscol they could've killed Dutch and Arthur right there

[@thisisgaming5167]

@@fatlacesthedon Maybe but its just an opinion a theory so this could be wrong.

[@zachcelestial8224]

Why dont we ask rockstar who are these rats around the camp

[@miguelstanley4360]

All fingers point at Micah. I think he didn't like how Dutch was running things with the money from Blackwater, cause he keeps on saying throughout the game when are we going back to Blackwater, so he probably decided once Dutch was arrested and out of the picture he could go and get the money and keep it all for himself.

[@arnocalvillo5350]

If anything working with colm o'driscoll makes the most sense

[@hellcrasher8139]

Maybe but I say more in with Karen she can't be found in eplog at all not even a body probing she's dead

[@thehopelesspragmatic6701]

Micah is responsible for: The Pinkertons finding Arthur while he was fishing The second train heist All the camp locations Arthur being captured by the O'Driscols (Micah pushed for the peace mission) The Trolly heist The Saint Denis Bank heist

[@Stormertheboy]

The Hopeless Pragmatic the trolley heist was Angelo Bronte’s fault

[@colte6839]

He can’t be. If you ignore the Micah mission in West Elizabeth - it is actually possible that Micah returns to the camp halfway through chap3. So he weren’t even there for some players

[@Angry_Peanut_52]

@@colte6839 you cant ignore Micahs mission it's a required mission you cant progress to chapter 3 without doing the mission

[@angeljthompson7775]

@@Angry_Peanut_52 I've left Michael at the camp outside strawberry, and I'm midway through chapter 3 on my 2nd run through the game

[@beastkiller3094]

The trolly heist wasn’t Micah that’s why they killed Angelo for setting them up they wouldn’t kill Bronte for no reason

[@brandimitchell4791]

I think the other rat was Trelawny because he's always travelling, and Arthur mentions that he can't stop talking.

[@SunnyGaming3710]

Well there are four things that disprove that, 1. He has a family, which is why he disappears. 2. Trelawney had a specific job that allowed him to come and go as he pleased. 3. He has actual care for the gang members. 4. Why would a Pinkerton rat organize all those robberies and thefts, and have no Pinkertons show up?

[@Sizdothyx]

@@SunnyGaming3710 1. That can be taken as motivation instead of an excuse 2. Being able to come and go as one pleases is NOT an admission of innocence, if anything, it's MORE suspicious as it leaves you open to do business out of the sight> 3. Betrayal does not have to come willingly 4. For the same reason why undercover police officers take part in robberies, murder and blackmail

[@izzybat666]

When dutch is in guarma and there following the little old lady, dutch mentions Abigail

[@chickenninja8395]

How did they know exactly where they where when Authur took jack fishing

[@antonysizekh143]

lol , yeah. Arthur was spooked but they all acted like binoculars didn’t exist and it’s fine as long as you are “not followed”

[@rklittle44]

They knew because of these words "f### physics, ahhh there you are mister morgan" Or by following him

[@GeraltofRizziaa]

They were probably watching and saw him leave with Jack.

[@phattbargin]

that could of been just chance and luck for agent Milton

[@country_nerd7627]

OMG I never thought of that

[@Frost1994able]

I believe that micah was with the pinkertons from the start. I think the pinkertons ask micah to join the gang and gain Dutch's true. That would explain Blackwater and as for the meet up with the O'Driscolls. Micah could have easily told Colm to capture Arther and hand him over to the pinkertons, for the right price of course.

[@kodiakmacbear5414]

Micha set up a meeting with odriscols not the pinkertons

[@somersetcooutdoors330]

I caught that also but I think mr boss just misspoke

[@fatlacesthedon]

Didn't Pearson set that meeting up?

[@phatboi813]

@Infinate blizaro HMMMMMMM

[@thereaper6814]

both

[@kennethmulrooney8854]

In chapter 5 Dutch says in the caves that tings are working well for some people because abagail and John got away safe

[@harryflowerdew5186]

Bruh, mrboss said in another video about how he thought micah ratted the gang early said that Micah tipped off the lawmen

[@scott4724]

Penis Parker I think he ratted to Pinkertons Cornwall Colm and the grays and Braithwaites

[@harryflowerdew5186]

Bermanator Turkey your probably right

[@grim_369]

I’ve played this game multiple time and in each one of my Playthroughs something new jumps out at me in my personal opinion I think that Micah is one of the Pinkerton agents he’s just playing both sides either that or he’s wanting to take the place of Dutch And become the leader of the gang by taking out the high ranking members so there Won’t be anybody to take the place of the Dutch but him. Just an idea

[@C_Gib19]

Abigail kinda makes sense, but the rat is for sure Micah 110%

[@cherylrobinson9105]

yes she dose bur remember mr. Milton kidnapped Abigail and threatened to try her for murder why would you do that if she was working with them

[@jadchafrar1290]

Micah was the only rat I think at his strawberry camp u can search the ground and find a wanted poster of Dutch explains why he is always close with him and he always had the idea of "letting the weak go"

[@Fabian6980]

It was definitely Abigail lol throughout the whole game shes clearly fed up with the gang lifestyle and wanted to get john and jack out of it and start over either that or micah was giving out their info to odriscoll like you said thats a good posibility too

[@lisaverwiebe6333]

I would straight up die if the rat was someone like Javier or Charles. I would just fall to the ground and have a heart attack

[@jackmurphy3325]

I think the rat is Just Micah because rockstar just wanted 1 rat

[@dutchvanderlinde8699]

lucasgaming/vlogs she’s not when you’re on the last mission agent Milton says he sweated her a couple time never said a word had to let her go

[@dutchvanderlinde8699]

lucasgaming/vlogs wait she snitch before??

[@somersetcooutdoors330]

Molly admitted to being a rat but she may just have been wanting to get killed as a way out because she was heartbroken over Dutch and people take alot of stock in what the pinkerton says

[@espada6002]

@lucasgaming/vlogs u clearly don't watch the whole playthrough,the Pinkertons already sweated her couple of times but never talk a word,they had to let her go

[@espada6002]

@@somersetcooutdoors330 she wanted to see what dutch will react when she says she love him

[@eddyg7236]

Before the pinkertons, micah was ratting them out to the local police.

[@Shdow-rb5pw]

Lol thats bullshit

[@NikKoun-j2t]

I think John is the rat because he is the only one who can go to Blackwater without being chased.

[@jamesa.7604]

All I'm going to say is listen very carefully to what Lenny tells them when he returns to the gang when Micah was locked up Strawberry. And who is usually on Guard Duty when the Pinkertons show up. As for the train robbery, I think the whistle blasts when the train stopped was a warning alarm in itself. But there is good evidence pointing to Abby

[@alexconley9110]

U saying my boy lenny did it

[@ohrenaugenkatze5414]

Ha found you Lenny

[@ToDamnRight]

One of the newspapers stated that the authorities were warned,

[@bobwisdom7749]

While in jail Micah could have organised it and ratted in jail notice in the sheriff's office there were 3 lawman with repeaters

[@SunnyGaming3710]

You dare bring lenneh into the possible rat section.

[@fredjohnson7588]

I've been giving this some thought and I wonder if Dutch is theactual Ray. Think about it. He knew milton and ross' names, every score he set up was ambushed. They couldn't catch him. I wonder if he was a secret informer kind of like whitey bulger was. Through history there are cases where the later informed on his gang. And that could be why he was always stressed and driven insane. Maybe they promised him his freedom for the others. And he saidin chapter 5 while walking through the cave maybe this is going to plan for someone else and he managed to get away every time and how did Ross know Micah was dead on Mount shann I think they sent him there to kill or capture Micah and John got in the way. I Think that's why he gave john that dirty look at the end

[@leealbertnaranjo7761]

I never like micah but it didn't seem like his character to rat out because he was still robbing and killing I think mr millton was just lying I think Abigail was the one who ratted in exchange to have John and jack out safely

[@gabrielmanzo1299]

I see where your coming from but why would Dutch form his gang of brother and sisters just to snitch on them and throw it away?

[@lexlyno]

so the odds of there being multiple rats that milton wouldn’t obviously brag about isnt likely. the gang drudged up trouble wherever they went and they weren’t particularly quiet about their plans whenever they were in town. plus arthur has a huge bounty on his head and he’s out in the world helping (or hurting) everyone and telling everyone his name. eventually word gets around.

[@mick4316]

As for Marston coming out of of Saint Denis alive? I think Marston is just lucky. He's dumb, sure. But he smart when it's needed. As for the other rat, considering what I said above, I think Micah is the rat. That's why he seems to be a loner and changing gangs frequently because he's had to keep his lies straight. And when it seems like something might go down, he needs an option B as an escape route. Hence, the two new guys he brings in towards the end of the game.

[@amberrea3370]

mick4316 but it is weird how they killed hosea a leader and Lenny a greenhorn but John is is middle aged

[@kevinmatlak5533]

In chapter 6 Micha says:,,There is no better fun than backstabbing a friend,who have trust you" Now choose who is rat

[@johnaduranjr]

Yeah that piece of shit. Thats why the mission where you meet up with Bill and Micah at the pigman house to steel the the dynamite i think, i stand just outside of the yellow spot on the map facing the front of the house and get my bow with a flaming arrow and aim just above Michas head and sometimes the arrow will drop a little lower than the white dot and hit him and light his ass on fire and he falls over and starts yelling and running around then he says " it takes more than that to keep me down" jumps on his horse and takes off. Same with Bill but i stand west of the house and aim. Bill's is actually funnier, he falls over and screams like a bitch, starts running around then yells " they got me" and takes off. It was awsome. Everytime they would come back i would do it again.

[@kevinmatlak5533]

@@johnaduranjr Thanks dude I am in chapter 3 (third playthrought) In chapter, in mission ,,An american pastoral scene" Where you goes to rob a stagecoach,where you got a lancaster,you can run off Micha with horse I am not english,Hungarian Goodbye

[@jonahd.536]

It couldn’t have been Micah who tipped off the law about the train, not just because of what Agent Milton said, but also because he was in jail in Strawberry during the planning of the train robbery

[@rustsquirrel2976]

Maybe Micah was an o'driscole from the beginning

[@nadja9055]

Hes a Pinkerton

[@TzOffical]

syn nadja no he’s not he was. Helping them. Get to Dutch.

[@nadja9055]

@@TzOffical chapter 6 millton said that the picked him up

[@marklowe3913]

RustSquirrel nah Driscolls are irish Micah doesn’t sound irish

[@frostedferret]

Another thing that shows Micah's innocence is that, if done in a certain order, Micah wouldn't have ever known about the train job.

[@Robert166-k7t]

I want to know how Cornwall knew that Dutch was in salon in valentine shootout

[@embersmae]

"Do I look like a guy with a plan?"-Joker(The Dark Knight) Anyone else get Joker vibes from Micah? I honestly believe Micah was a rat for the most part. Not just to the Pinkertons, but also to Colm and to Cornwall throughout the story. He always had a twisted vision of how the gang should prosper, by being savages and murderers. He may not have had a grand plan or scheme of things like Dutch did, but he certainly was very impulsive and knew what he wanted, by means of eliminating people who got in his way.

[@nsavagebeast8599]

I think it was Bill. Think about it. When Bill, Uncle, Arthur, and Charles try to rob a Cornwall wagon, but its heavily guarded. So they hide in a barn. When Cornwall's men come to the barn, Bill alerts them by knocking over a bucket, making them know that they are indeed hiding in the barn. Before the wagon, there's the train with John, Arthur, Charles, and Sean. The gang knows about the job. Bill tells the Pinkertons about it and tries to get them caught. Before all of this there is the first train job. Bill is in charge of the dynamite. Arthur helps him by spooling the wire. Either Arthur or Bill did something wrong. Bill probably messed with the wire in the end so that they wouldn't get anything from the train.

[@moelester6420]

NSavage Beast btw the bucket was knocked over by Charles

[@ACFSPADS]

So Charles is the rat

[@nsavagebeast8599]

@@moelester6420 No Bill knocked it over because Charles says, and I quote, "Nicely done, Bill. They teach you that in the army, too?"

[@moelester6420]

NSavage Beast ok I thought that line was when he was shooting someone and Charles was mocking him good point in that case but bill made his own gang in rdr1 so maybe not

[@solicitr666]

Bill isn't smart enough. Bill is like Dutch's big, loyal, dumb dog.

[@jackmurphy3325]

Abigail was not a rat it makes sense but she would not want to hurt Hosea, arther and John + jack she loves them

[@kennethmulrooney8854]

Just because she didn't want it does not mean she could prevent it

[@dimitrisssst]

Who is aurthor?

[@jackmurphy3325]

greek nationalist aurther

[@dimitrisssst]

@@jackmurphy3325 you mean Arthur

[@dimitrisssst]

@@jackmurphy3325 there is no such name like aurther, its Arthur, you either are dumb or blind

[@vpapako]

I have to point out that the first time Arthur encounters Milton and Ross, he had been fishing with Jack, after Abigail asked him to take him. So either M&R just happened to come across A&J because they had been scouting the area, or they had been told to look for a man and a boy fishing. The strange thing is, Milton adresses Arthur certain that it's him, eventhough Arthur has never met him before.

[@lunix3259]

Milton knows who arthur is from blackwater... Also Abigail wouldn't put jack in danger lol

[@vpapako]

@@lunix3259 Jack wouldn't be in danger if she made a deal. Also, Arthur wasn't on the boat in Blackwater.

[@Cory-ch8hr]

I just lost my entire game save after I finished the game

[@cen3684]

Cory Vlogs lol how

[@TbYolo]

Should of saved more then Once that's a noob fcking move you kinda deserve it

[@Anthony_Luzadder]

@@TbYolo that's a bit rude. Stfu bruh

[@Princessorginal]

Cory7002 Micah did it 🤣

[@askia8799]

Bruh play on another account

[@olli3rookie879]

Abigail wants to protect jack so much because he is her son.

[@mr.blobberry3112]

The micah ratt thing... Did he ratt for money, or did he get caught in miltons hands and just act like a coward spreding informations in extange for hes own life?

[@korn5308]

It could be jack asking him things that why hes missing all the time

[@rileywiberg5358]

Micah didn't know about the train heist. He wasn't at camp at the time of the heist

[@AmanChooses]

OK this may sound crazy but what about Tilly Jackson? Of all the gang members, she is the only one who never seemed too concerned about it as things fell apart. She was never on any of the missions that were compromised. At the end of chapter 6 she makes off with a huge sum of money from the last train robbery plus all of Arthur's money and she clearly didn't share it with John and Abigail. The guy from her old gang warned that Tilly would eventually betray them too. Was he just bitter or was he prophetic?

[@_1lllllllll1]

i know im a lil late but wow, i never thought of this, that's crazy

[@beastproductions2669]

I know the discussion is over but I still wanted to say that it could also be Mary-Beth she was the one who found out about the train in the first place but she seems so nice which is probably why no one suspects her but that could also be why she would have done it because she realizes that the gang she's riding with is turning into even worse people and she wants to stop them from hurting anyone else.

[@joshcasby5856]

Micah might’ve tipped off the law and helped the pinkertons after guarma since the pinkertons are not directly related to the law Sorry if this seems confusing but I hope u get my point

[@fenixchief7]

This is what I always assumed. If you go to his strawberry camp hes got a bounty poster for Dutch. I think we can infer the ferry job was him walking them into a trap as well. Hoping for some prequel prequel dlc

[@filipberetta]

I think its Abigail only for the fact she didn't warn Arthur as he entered the building and Milton hiding in that other room. I guess thats why Sadie is faceing the wall, so she cannot somehow tell arthur about Milton (maybe with her eyes or so). If you watch Abigails reaction as Milton appeared behind Arthur, she didn't look surprised at all she event didn't look at him. Btw Abigail is the only one with a child and i guess she was desperate and wanted only the best for him, what means surviving. And how did she even escape the saint denis robbery? Hosea got cought but she wasn't? John was the only one who wasn't killed but put in Jail, thats a bit odd.

[@fristnamelastname5549]

Abigail (I think) loves Arthur, Her son seems to enjoy the rest of the Gang, She also gets kidnapped by Rose in Chapter 6, and She seems the least likely to have rated out the Gang. What about Kieran? He has no love of the O'Driscolls, and he could have resented Dutch, and the rest of the Gang of "napped" him up in the first place. Plue, How do we know if Kieran is really a Pinkerton?

[@ambermorris4510]

I doubt it then why would he save Arthur and stay with the gang he seemed to be very happy to be kidnapped if I remember correctly

[@bahamutstear1369]

I think it was Micah all along anonymously until after Guarma because he only tried to get Arthur out of the way so he could turn in Dutch for the bounty knowing full well that as long as Arthur is alive he would never collect the bounty

[@huzeyfeonal2552]

That abigail theory with john being the only one arrested and not killed made me WOW because it is something I never thought about and it’s just something that actually CAN be true. But you missed something here. You missed the fact that abigail “slipped away” when they got hosea.

[@sparr1577]

i dont think michah was an o driscol cause when you brake him out of jail he shoots one for being an o driscol

[@crazycoonass666]

He shot him to keep him quiet. I always thought that was odd he did it, that guy was a witness to something Micah didn't want known.

[@CainySNP]

How many goddamn videos @mrbossftw, about 4 TODAY!!!

[@babytaz5571]

THE EYEBALLKILLER he needs money

[@babytaz5571]

Golden Games 😂

[@FozzQuaker]

@@babytaz5571 He doesn't need money...He is worth $2million... Now he has money, he is greedy, he wants more money

[@thomasrockwell3296]

Mary-Beth was the one who gave them the idea for the train robbery and you never saw where she got the lead from.

[@RBG_-pn6dn]

In the mission where you take Uncle and the women into town, they were told to sniff around for leads, I think she got it in town because she mentions it in the mission.

[@ETn4606]

Theres a chance it could be Abigail but I feel like it's just micah

[@hellcrasher8139]

Na I feel it was Karen because after chap 6 she's no where to be found

[@cherylrobinson9105]

@@hellcrasher8139 beacause she drank her self to death . tilly tells you in a letter

[@cherylrobinson9105]

But agent Milton kidnapped Abigail and was going to send her on a boat to try her for murder why would he do that if she was working for them

[@rodallford2028]

The pinkertons found shady belle because they followed bill after he was asking everyone in town about the gang ,Arther even commented about it when the gunfight breaks out saying "asked everyone Bill"

[@Mkj8500]

Everything points to another Rat in the gang. They even go so far as to foreshadow it through out the game several times. Abagail is the Rat. She told the law about the train robbery with Jon as at the time she hated Jon for rejecting the boy. Around this same time she requests Arthur take Jack fishing because Jon is still being distant at this point. Abagail is the other Rat and there is nothing a mother wont do for her child.

[@MadBunnyRabbit]

Wasn't the train job John's idea? It's really hard to believe for me that Abigail would delibratly put John at risk, since that was supposedly a tip not a deal, unlike what seems to be the case in the bank job. The law seemed to not really know who they are dealing with. The newspaper also doesn't pin it on Dutch's gang. Unlike any other situation where the gang gets in trouble, where they are being called out by name. Whether it's Colm, Cornwall or the Pinkertons. In fact, it's fair to assume Colm figured out it was Dutch who robed the train and tiped of Cornwall. Micah causing all the trouble in strawberry could easilly help pinkertons track them to the first camp location. In chapter 3 you cause so much trouble medeling with the fude it again makes sense why you were found. At the house camp Colm captured Kiren. Fairy job might've been a stick up just like the stage coach job with Lenny. At the end of the day it was Dutch's reclesness that got them into all the trouble. Abigail just took an opportunity when she saw it to make a deal and considering that the law had no idea who they are dealing with at the train job, Sean was not ment to be part of the action. Yet he put himself in it, was eager to "slit some throats." And when you loot the bagage cart he's really trying to rush you. Maybe he gave the tip cause he wanted to see some action. He was afully quiet for a chatty kid when John was discussing with Arthur whether that could've been a set up. Which honestly it could've been. I don't remember how John got all the info on the train but someone might've sold him info and tip the law. I really don't think there ever was actually a rat in the gang.

[@christopherdudine7056]

I hope rdr2 expands the map the way you said in that vid you made liked that vid so much

[@robodeadredemption4863]

Cdud1124 ikr

[@The_General_Owl]

The reason Micha knew where Sadie Adlers cabin was is that he saw and at least heard that it was some sort of party there if I remember it right

[@johnmarston8963]

I think the 🐀 is Micah Micah Micah and MICAH

[@panzlyhlas582]

I think it was Abigail too.

[@gameninja4447]

I think Mac Callendar was a rat because he was always on the hootch or Agent Milton made him talk before he killed him or Sean because Sean wad captured and on the train job he was complaining about not being in all the action

[@fatpotato3512]

10:23 When he says that Micah was a creative rat🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ayyayy5079]

All the heists kept going wrong because Micah went psycho and crazy that’s why whenever Micah wasn’t involved with specific missions the mission went smooth

[@chattinwaffle5196]

The train robbery with Sean, Charles, Arthur and John didn’t go smoothly they got set up in that one and Micah never got told

[@SmilingAssassinGaming]

Arthur n Hosea were the best characters in the entire game

[@felix_zero]

Micah bell couldve just been anonymously telegramming info to the pinkertons

[@projectzorgo2693]

Felix The Barber telegram weren't around then it was around 1911 with john

[@felix_zero]

@@projectzorgo2693 the telegraph was invented in 1844...telegraph offices were common by 1852...so yeah that statement is incorrect lol

[@GREED1117-t9t]

I think in the beginning Micah was working with O Driscoll the whole time like a double agent lol

[@xavivaldez4459]

this is the one video i like by mr.boss ftw

[@arthurmorgan500]

Same

[@NotScarySalad]

I reckon it was Bill.... He was just to quiet throughout the story. And that’s why the Heist in Valentine didn’t go exactly to plan

[@thedeceptivecactus355]

What was Micah’s overall plan? He broke up the gang, yes, but did he have any reason for it? Did he think he would he gain anything from it?

[@abdulidris4819]

Money

[@jaredwillis1043]

What if Micah was a O’driscol and they had all planned it out,so he might have joined Dutch’s group on purpose to get information about where they are,but when comell gets hanged he sides with the Pinkerton instead.

[@classicytchannelname6064]

"They used to call me the one shot kid" uncle says. HE IS RED HARLOW

[@classicytchannelname6064]

From red dead revolver

[@ok-or5hj]

Uncle use to rob banks really did something

[@stekka23]

Micah was cooperating with Colm. Then, back from Guarma, Colm was taken and he started to work with Pinkerton

[@thewoodofdoor1069]

It was molly he confirm that it wasn’t molly to keep her hidden she snitched first

[@scott4724]

Krazy Gone wild Milton said that molly didn’t say anything

[@xdarknessx98]

When john is away... Micah: *Flirting with Abigail* Abigail: *Going to Attack mode* Jack: *already got a gun prepared in his toybox*

[@jamesvandam2966]

Thanks for crediting me, but some advice. You credited me for the post, but you also directly quoted me a few times without credit. Personally, I don't really care, but others might, just for future reference.

[@camoluke8821]

If Abigail is a rat she probably wouldn't have killed agent Milton

[@RBG_-pn6dn]

And she wouldn’t of got captured too

[@solicitr666]

@@RBG_-pn6dn Actually, both objections are covered. Milton "captured" Abigail after John was broken out of prison because (a) she had broken their deal by springing John and/or (b) he wanted her in protective custody when the final bloodbath happened. And she shot him because (a) he could very well have tipped Arthur or Sadie that she was the one, and (b) she certainly didn't want to be a prisoner. What she WANTED (besides Jack and if possible John) was the gang's money. Why else did she steal Dutch's key? And she could only get it if she was with the gang.

[@mistico2379]

Abigail won't do that to John.

[@robodeadredemption4863]

Silent Takedown prove it

[@diegorojas9794]

Yeah, prove it!!!!!

[@ajhiep4447]

Yah prove it.

[@mistico2379]

@@ajhiep4447 Jack Marston. Plus it's Micah. Abigail hates Micah I been in camp enough to see in encounter with Micah flirting with Abigail.

[@alexmcclinsey9958]

It could have still been Micha. Remember he only started sniching to the Pinkertons after Gurma but it wasn't the Pinkertons who he would have tiped off about the train robbery

[@DominiqueRiddler]

I think there was only one rat, and it was always called Micah. Micah manipulated Dutch when he was back in the gang camp and knew what Dutch was up to. Through his deal with the Pinkertons, it was easy for Micah to keep the Pinkertons informed at all times, because Dutch trusted him more than Arthur. Maybe because Dutch knew Arthur had TBC, so Micah was the "stronger" / more trustworthy.

[@knate44]

If Micah was working with the O'driscalls it explains why Sadie went for her knife right away and said "he's one of them"

[@Mr10029]

The camp chickens were the rats

[@coltonraret6342]

It's because mr.bossFTW was too inconsiderate to buy the chicken coop. He is SO CHEAP its OnLy 300 DoLlArS.

[@kennethmulrooney8854]

The rat was chain (the dog)

[@grapefruitjuice9473]

Kenneth Mulrooney Cain

[@lisaverwiebe6333]

Oh my God you're a genius🤣

[@canadianchamp1980]

Micah was working for Colm during blackwater, he was feeding Colm information and Colm was giving info to Pinkertons since beginning. Micah was leaking info left and right.

[@rebeccaspasiano5845]

Dude I thought he was gonna say Bill or Dutch or Lenny But like Pearson and Abigail I was like Da faq did u just say? I almost criedddddddd

[@trey1215]

@@karinavaladez6157 wtf

[@JasonAkai]

It’s not Abby. Here’s the thing. She wants to be safe with her kid - and John. But I don’t think she would rat them out because she is a prisoner of theirs in RDR1 - if she was a rat, she’d have a relationship there. Micah is a guy with lots of “out of the gang” connections. He is an antagonist in the first mission (although I don’t think he was working with the O’Driscoll’s then), and never takes a step towards anything other than taking care of himself.

[@rebeccaspasiano5845]

Jared Cole well I mean he said “And it’s not who you think it is” so I would have thought “wow that’s kinda surprising so tbh it could have been Dutch or Bill And it could have been Bill because he was one of the ones who complained so maybe he wanted to get back at Dutch for not showing him the compassion Bill wanted.

[@JasonAkai]

Bill is an idiot. Always is. Simple guy all the way through both games. He isn’t a rat. He is a kid that nurses on Dutch. But.....Lenny.....hmmmm....that’s a different story.

[@darthbaker0247]

@@rebeccaspasiano5845 Dutch being the rat makes no sense at all. It's his own gang lmfao. Milton even said they weren't interested in the rest of the gang, only Dutch

[@koczisek]

Unfortunately, rowing on that boat suggests, that Rockstar has bad idea about physics and absolutely no idea about boats.

[@ASSASSIN19923]

is a insult to say is a masterpiece game IS LEGENDARY

[@dutchvanderlindeofficial1905]

1.Charles-He knew every camp locations and this is why pinkertons always were finding their hideout. 2.Micah-Dutch sent john and micah scouting, so micah said to john to follow, when john was following micah, micah left him, so john get lost, and then micah visited o'discrolls in sadie's cabin.

[@ArtofLunatik]

i think that would be too out of character for Charles.

[@rebeccacox8624]

When arthur coughed he would have passed tuberculosis on to Abigail so why did she not get it

[@212chop8]

You right

[@solicitr666]

She did. In the late Epilogue you can catch her coughing- and she dies in 1914, in her early 30s

[@sebb5765]

The Abigail theory works in some ways, but the Pinkertons are clearly corrupt and she would have no garentee that they wouldn’t just kill everyone they could hunt down the rest and send Jack to an orphanage. That makes me think that Micah always was a rat, but not always to the Pinkertons like MrBoss said. I think he was a rat to the O’Driscalls AND the normal lawman at times.