Harley-Davidson Heritage Classic vs BMW R 18 Classic. Which cruiser is best? You may be surprised!

We pitch the Harley-Davidson Heritage Classic 114 against the new 2021 BMW R 18 Classic in the ultimate head-to-head of the big cruisers with touring capabilities. Which motorbike comes out on top? BMW Motorrad or Harley-Davidson? Watch to find out!
We award points for every feature that wins and in this completely objective shootout, we find out which motorcycle is your flavour!
We briefly consider the Indian Springfield, Harley-Davidson Road Glide and Triumph Rocket 3 GT, but they are less similar and therefore we compare the R18 and Heritage Classic.
In this video the Ol' Man is wearing a Goldtop Leather Jacket & Gloves www.goldtop.co.uk
and Premier Helmet www.premier.it/en/

[@nielsmeer]

I’d pick the R18. I prefer mid controls. Forwards tend to put a lot of pressure on my tailbone and are harder to weight the pegs when turning or to lift out of the seat over big bumps. I do have highway pegs on the crash bar of my GS, so I can have a forward position even with the boxer engine. However, I’d say 90% of the time, I have my feet on the mid pegs and only use the highway pegs to stretch occasionally on long highway sections. I never use them on backroads.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes there’s a lot to be said for mid controls 👍🏼

[@jroberthadden]

The footboards on the Heritage aren't out too far forward. I'm 5'8" and they are positioned near perfect for me. You can move your feet five or six inches fore or aft.

[@Bowl_Of_Chicken_Soup]

I try not to bash Harleys as I own 5 of them but the R18s, especially the Transcontinental, are amazing bikes. I have maintained many Harleys and quite a few R18s at my garage and I would say BMW has Harley trumped in the quality department, and I've noticed less over all maintenance is required for the R18s in particular, especially so with the bagger and the Transcontinental. The R18s also fair the higher distance trips way better here in Australia, Harleys just shake themselves apart from what I've experienced. To counter on a few of the comments made in the video. The one about the Harleys gearbox isn't correct, most of the boxes i've serviced are just not finished to the standard of the R18, i wouldn't call it a characteristic like the sideways roll of the R18 is, more of a lower standard of fit and finish and honesty not a great architecture. The riding position of the R18 is much better for your body posture, control of the bike and keeps you more at attention when doing long trips. I just stop and have a walk when my legs get tired, I've had all sorts of stirrups/highway bars and the bars for the R18 cylinder and it doesn't make a difference in the long run, just get of the bike, stretch yourself out and check out the scenery like you should do on a long ride. A little tuning eliminates the sluggishness of the R18 and when you add some forced induction to them they become an absolute animal, all while looking a stunning bike. Just as a few comments. Other land going mammals out in the wild love the R18 more than any Harley ive been on from my time out riding, I will always get questions about it and have people taking photos of/with it, thumbs up at traffic lights, I've even had times where people have parked me in nice spots out the front of restaurants/cafes, even in a foyer once, just so people could look at it, I sh*t you not, and females like it better than any Harley I've been on, period. Blokes approach me way more on the Harleys, which is something to think about. One last thing, ive done the Highway 1 in Australia on a R18 Transcontinental, a Ultra Limited and a Road Glide Ultra and so far the Transcontinental will be the one i take on the next holiday, I love my Harleys but BMW made a cracking bike with this one, a genuinely stellar bit of kit.

[@MrDixonSyder]

I just took a 2021 R18 Classic on a 140km test ride. I absolutely loved how it handled and felt on the highway. It got up to road speeds quickly, and made passing speeds so well. I think I found my next bike.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Excellent. There’s nothing like them 💯

[@yosam5184]

Enjoyed the comparison, like the look of both, however this ole long legged country boy is addicted to forward controls and stretching my legs out on the crash bar with highway pegs on a long sunny day of riding. thanks...

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy. Yes we know that feeling 👍🏼

[@sebastiangeorge7714]

There is an option to have a bar right above the cylinder heads for that purpose

[@blackholevideo]

@@sebastiangeorge7714 yes however those two boxer cylinders are very wide.

[@CVO_MAN]

The BMW R 18 is a piece of Motorcycle Art with that Boxer engine, the Cardanic transmission, the level of attention to every detail and the fact that is something new and different from the rest on the market.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Absolutely. It is unique and very special indeed 💯

[@my.motorrad]

As a BMW rider, IDK. THere are ways I think the R18 falls short. I'd like a R18 that is more like a Road King than Heritage. Hard lockable bags, bigger tank, better seat, bigger windscreen.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

OK I see where you’re coming from. It’s really a cruiser with touring ability than a tourer

[@darkoflight4938]

I prefer the BMW but that is a subjective opinion. What isn't a subjective opinion is that this is a great mc channel. That is simply a fact!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy! That’s the thing about so many motorbikes; and the reason we often turn what we think is a negative into a positive

[@splodge5714]

What!!!! I made that 16-0 in favour of the Harley. It looks better, sounds better and doesn't have those big jugs sticking out. No contest.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Lol. If it’s too easy for Harley they will procrastinate

[@joemelton3535]

Another good video! I think I am in the R 18 camp, but I haven't ridden one. All comes down to individual preferences. Can't always sort that sort of thing out in advance. If we could, I wouldn't have an ex-wife. Yeah, if only she had known!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy! Haha we live and learn 👍🏼

[@carcaz4755]

BMW r 18 is a better & expensive bike

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks my friend 👍🏼

[@benoitturcotte5602]

I have tried both models and i went with the R18. The unique looks and the 3 modes engine makes me decide on that side

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Excellent! We’ve got a new video about the R18 coming tomorrow 👌🏼

[@beans4491]

Hi guys, this is the video I've been waiting for and boy was it worth it. I’m so glad they were pitched evenly, as you know i have an R18 which i love and don’t think i could ever part with it and i have a Harley being delivered this Wednesday (street Bob 2021) so like you ....i love Chinese and Indian food. Many thanks and kind regards.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy! 💯👍🏼

[@jroberthadden]

I have demo ridden both of these. (The BMW that I rode was the initial model released) I really liked both. I would need a few hundred miles in the saddle to make my determination of which I would rather live with, especially considering the $$$$. I have owned a few big twin Harleys and the Heritage was a more familiar feel for me and it fits perfectly. The Heritage seemed to have a slightly lighter handling feel and the front end on the Bimmer seemed more planted and substantial. I was able to ride both on a mountain road and was equally impressed. Both were solid machines. A side by side fourth or fifth gear roll on would have been an interesting comparison to see which would pull away from the other. Several times, you mentioned that H-D should offer a bike between the Heritage and the Breakout which might compare more closely to this R18. I might suggest that the Road King might be that bike, although it does not have the hidden suspension. I agree with your assessment on the front brakes. You gave a point to the R18 for having riding modes where the Heritage had none. I can see that view. However technology, to some of us, is just an add on that we'd rather not have to deal with or pay for. (I'm not crazy about throttle by wire or keyless ignitions, either) I have owned and ridden several bikes with anti lock brakes and rider modes. I'm a simple guy and I prefer being 100% in charge of traction and braking. By the way, these two motorcycles are in my top five list of new bikes at the present time. I always enjoy your reviews. Keep 'em coming.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy. As the Harley is ride-by-wire and in a fixed mode we gave it to the R18. The Touring chassis on the Harleys gives a very different ride in our opinion so that’s why we didn’t put them in the same place. Thanks for your support 👍🏼👍🏼 We would love to have ridden them side-by-side but because of the Nanny State motorcycle licensing laws in the UK, Darcy can’t ride one for another 2-3 years!

[@jroberthadden]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan Because of his age, or riding years? That's interesting. I grew up in Illinois (a looonng time ago) and we weren't allowed to ride anything over 150cc until we were 18. I don't know if that's still the situation there since I've been out here in Wyoming for 42 years.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@jroberthadden we have a compulsory progressive licensing system here that basically stops 99% of people riding at all. Most just wait till they’re 24 and do an intensive course

[@jroberthadden]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan So most of the youngsters don't get any practical riding experience until they're 24? Wow, I did not know that. What a shame. I have taken three Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, including the instructor course. I believe that the ONLY way to become road worthy is to have practical road experience. Even if it's on smaller bikes. So, if I'm understanding you, young riders may only ride smaller, or less powerful, bikes until they're 24, then they are automatically able to move up? I can see how that could discourage many from riding at all. Many times, when a person gets to that ripe old age, they are starting careers and families which, itself, limits many of them in buying motorcycles.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@jroberthadden it’s really complicated to explain. Here’s a video we did on it kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJTGn6CViK1smrc

[@Holly1960-]

Love the Retro 1940's look of the Harley Davidson Heritage....The BMW R-18 looks more like an official Police Bike a bit bulky...Both are great bikes..... but, Definitely like the Harley Davidson Heritage 114 Best ✔️✔️✔️

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes good points my friend 👍🏼👍🏼

[@nickrichardson7451]

I just know I’d bash those cylinders!

[@kevinpollard1550]

Just watched video again . The bmw is stunning and the finish on it is so beautiful

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes it’s Rolls Royce 💯

[@travisj2370]

the harley is around 37k and the R18 is 27k in australia soo i think the R18 is quite the bargain

[@awdadwadwad1723]

Similar in Germany, just little less for both :D

[@rolandharrison579]

Just for the reverse gear - BMW.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Game changer 💯

[@alancarter4525]

I’ve got one in my Road King. It’s called the missus 😇

[@royz6872]

Cant believe you gave a point to the harley engine because the BMW has a wider engine, Better cooling More torque and more power per size. I own both the Harley and the BMW but bet the engine on the BMW will last longer also.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

I also have owned both bikes, now just have the R18 (the Ol' Man); and they are both awesome bikes 👍🏼

[@flhfd1703]

My, oh my! Does the name "Road King" ring a bell? Dual discs, big clear screen, big tank, roomy seat?

[@simonhickey8952]

As an owner of a Heritage and a Road King, I would have to agree with FLHFD. Not being able to stretch your legs out would be a game changer for me so H-D all day long, no contest. Great content as ever chaps!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

We did mention the road king

[@simonhickey8952]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan My hearing and eyesight must be going then. I could have sworn you said Road GLIDE and showed a pic of a green one?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@simonhickey8952 Sorry we had a very spicy curry and it’s messing with our minds! 👍🏼

[@simonhickey8952]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan No worries, happens to the best of us. However, if you like the Heritage, you'd love the Road King!

[@b.runson9719]

The R18 wins my vote.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes it’s a great bike 👍🏼

[@mgardner1975]

Nice review. I think a Road King would have been a better comparison though. BMW & HD are both making great cruisers.

[@travelinben1966]

I'll take the HD.Aesthetically more pleasing to my eyes.I've heard that the R18 is prone to much peg scraping too,which puts me off.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

OK bro. The peg scraping is no more than any other cruiser. It’s more that the other reviewers expect it to be a Fireblade in the corners

[@travelinben1966]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan Thank you for that.👍👍

[@beatts101]

@@travelinben1966 A lot of owners have said this is because the rear preload on the bikes is not being adjusted before bikes are given to the press and customers and they are effectively riding them in transport mode. Adjusting properly for rider weight seems to eliminate a lot of the scraping 👍🏻

[@splodge5714]

@@beatts101 well that's a new one. I like it, cheers. 😂🤣

[@travelinben1966]

@@beatts101 Thank you for that information.I would have definitely ruled out the R18 had you not pointed that out.

[@garasiSF75]

I want bmw with harley engine so my foot can rest

[@awdadwadwad1723]

you can get leg shelves for those cylinders so yo can rest :D

[@mosgor]

As the years go by and the feeling of new love fades away (BMW) - I have a suspicion that time speaks for the HARLEY-DAVIDSON. Difficult choice . I would choose the Harley-Davidson... I think.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Well put. We get what you’re saying. Harley Davidson should be busy designing a reverse and a longer cruiser 🤞🏼

[@blackholevideo]

If you want a longer Harley go for the road king or one of the glides.

[@alancarter4525]

Road King (Classic) outclasses both

[@1990-t1j]

If I was buying a bike of this type, it would be the Honda Goldwing Bagger DCT.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes the Honda is very good

[@MrAndrew1953]

Honda should make a Goldwing wuith a similar sized windshield to the one on the Heritage. Clip on, clip off. Not everyone needs a full sized fairing, radio etc. The motor on the Goldwing is superb.

[@scotty_beast_rider]

Harley Davidson heritage for me. BMW is beautiful but if I had the choice... Harley Davidson for me.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks Scotty. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@terrymoore9185]

I thought this was a great review, i’ve had eight Harleys and four BMWs and I just recently rode the R18 with short pipes, loved it! And I also like that it’s different than the cookie cutter Harley bikes

[@redbull8661]

I have a 2022 Heritage 114 and the brakes on that bike suck! I have 534 miles on it and it's an ok bike but I'm going back to an R1250 RT.

[@vicfalls34]

You look better on the R18! The proportions and riding position look more comfortable and a better fit.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Really OK thanks bro 👍🏼

[@stephencartwright5046]

I always enjoy watching your reviews. Interesting to view these two bikes head to head. As you say it comes down to personal choice. I would like to see the sales figures for both models at the end of this year. Does the BMW have the brand identity in the USA? I suspect not. In Europe I am sure the BMW will sell better. If I had the money my heart says BMW. They have cherry picked a style from their history that was, and is iconic.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks Stephen! Yes that would be interesting to see. 👍🏼💯

[@lancerbiker5263]

Overall cost of ownership should be compared. Durability and reliability are major factors.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

That’s hard to establish without having both bikes for a long period of time tbh

[@curtchaffee]

Great job, gentlemen! The forward controls make the choice for me. Being able to relax my knees and stretch out a bit is one of the benefits of a traditional cruiser/weekender. Top review of both!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy 💯👍🏼 Yes we get you there

[@aapddd]

I love the art deco style of the BMW but that Harley Davidson engine is a piece of art.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes true 👍🏼

[@blackholevideo]

Just remember that beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clear through to the bone. 😎

[@paulogorsse8362]

BMW might be better. But Harley Davidson has soul and heart. I just bought the 2021 harley heritage and I love it.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Awesome 💯 We love our Heritage Classic!

[@stevereilly]

Wanted the R18, bought the Harley today, first ride, is amazing. Reasons: 1. riding position - less engine in the way, 2. noise - no great range of exhausts as yet from BMW, 3. price - better price by 4k almost, 4. amount of extras - much more with Harley, 5. sense of community - BMW is great for my GS not sure for cruisers, 6. gut feel - loved the look of the R18 but the use of word segment in all their videos made me feel it was really a blatant marketing exercise whereas the Harley is more real. May buy the R18 too....

[@stevereilly]

And BTW, epic video as ever guys, best on KZbin for bikes....

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

OK we’ll considered Steve. Congratulations with the new bike! 💯

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@stevereilly Thanks! 😁💯

[@stevereilly]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan It went back today, didn't have a fondness for changing down gear past 4th!

[@MrChancebozey]

Love the throwback design to BMW's heritage in the R18. I do like the look of the Harley better. Great vids :)

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy. It’s going to go 50:50 with the public vote we think

[@jimmiekaelin4804]

The aftermarket is huge for BMW. Oh wait a minute, there is almost nothing.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Getting there 👍🏼

[@bresalibera7169]

R18. Would love to change my Suzuki Intruder 800 c for one of those.

[@glennharberger9765]

I love the coments on here from people who don't own one lol. I own a R18 and love it , my one sided Harley mates now love it as well . 1st thing is it doesn't run '"HOT" and i live in Australia which is "HOT" . 2nd thing is the finish is better , side by side R18 wins easily . 3rd thing is its made in Berlin and sorry to all those one sided Harley people but i'll take made in Germany over made in U.S.A any day of the week. German engineering is 1st class.

[@sdefiel3719]

If I'm eating Indian food for a week, I'm not going to take any long trips ... too many "comfort" stops. __ S PS: I have four Harley dealerships w/in 40 miles of my home. The nearest BMW shop is about 60 and they suck. Point: Harley!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Haha yeah! 👍🏼💯

[@tmar0075]

I'm not too impressed with the Harley mechs either. they couldn't figure out the trans primary migration on my former 17' Rgu

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@tmar0075 ones in our local dealer are great!

[@tmar0075]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan ur lucky. Ride Safe brother

[@sdefiel3719]

@@tmar0075 I gotta say that after over 45 years of riding and paying for maintenance, I find that Harley techs are consistently better on the balance than the mechs at the local Kawi, Suzuki, Honda, Yami dealers ... not by much, but definitely on the whole more knowledgeable. ... not that I don't have some horror stories. ;)

[@carlorusso7304]

Two nice bikes but i would choose the harley

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks Carlo 👍🏼💯

[@tonyarroyo4709]

The R 18 is better

[@Tony455HO]

Honestly, i don't like the bulging cylinders, they get in the way if things. Now, comparing the R18 to the heritage is not quite convincing for me, the heritage was made to reflect the classic looks whereas the r18 is more modernized bike, but thats just me. In any case, personally i didn't like the r18. It looks like a parts bike, parts that don't quite fit, no offense. Lovely video, cheers guys. Stay safe ride safe.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

No problem bro. If we all had the same opinion, life would be dull 👍🏼

[@michaelschaefer3124]

The biggest difference between these two motorcycles is the riding position. Open and relaxed on the Harley and cramped on the big BMW. Sit on them both and it’s easy to decide which one you would like to spend the most time on. I will keep my heritage, thank you.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Fair enough. I’m a pretty big guy and have never been cramped on the BMW. 👍🏼

[@michaelschaefer3124]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan You stated yourself that the leg room is better on the Harley and actually gave it a point for that. The leg position on the BMW reminds me of my F6B, but the F6B had forward pegs that would allow me to stretch my legs if needed. I would classify the BMW as actually being a standard as opposed to a cruiser. Ironically, Honda marketed the F6B as a power cruiser when it first came out. Go figure.

[@stevegodfrey626]

The riding position on the R18 is actually very comfortable compared to the 6 HD’s I’ve had over the past 20 years. Feet forward is placing your body in a “staple” position and not comfortable for me anyway!

[@rasersedge2004]

@@stevegodfrey626 I agree, and if there's corners to navigate, especially twisties you can control the bike much better with feet back. Another thing about the R18 is the ability to stand naturally upright for extended periods - just like on the adventure bikes - to alleviate numbness on long rides. You can also vary your foot position to shift weight from one point to another. I haven't tried them but you can also buy an engine guard setup with foot rests if you need a wee lie down while riding. I've had three H-Ds and consider them brilliant bikes each in their different ways - the Switchback 103" the best comparison to the R18 I thought and the two very very close.

[@stevegodfrey626]

I have had 6 new Harleys. The R18 is certainly not cramped and is actually more comfortable on my back long distance with the semi mid controls. I am 6ft and 100kgs. One of the reasons I bought an R18. Best bike ever out of the 12 I have owned …. 53 years riding.

[@luisloya1120]

BMW R18 is a Classier better bike.

[@juancuesta1023]

I'm just getting my BMW Classic tomorrow!!!! it is so beautiful.. a piece of art.!!!!

[@markshirley7639]

R18 for me all day long , shaft drive no costly belt change bigger service intervals and much cheaper to service (less to do ) better build quality and not built in India as per Harley and I think it's stunning .

[@hansgluck875]

I chose the most beautiful one. R18 Frist Edition. Thank you for the interesting comparison. Keep up the good work!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks Hans 💯👍🏼

[@008tejas]

I loved R18.....fantastic

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes it’s tremendous 👍🏼

[@alancarter4525]

I understand comparing the two but for me the Road King Classic (although the Classic is no longer available I think 😞) out-classes both. Similar lean angle to the R18, more than the Heritage, bigger tank (22.7 ltr) fly-by-wire and with a fuelpak perfectly tuneable whatever the situation or changes, belt drive so zero maintenance and lasts forever. Such a comfortable seat and position, I do four hours riding before I need a break and styling that warms the cockles of a classic bike lover like myself but with all mod cons, cruise, ABS (inc cornering on newer ones, mine’s a 2010) detachable everything, clear big screen (not for me), backrest Inc rider and rack. Twin discs up front. Perfect blend of classic styling and modern ease, I wouldn’t swap even for a new Heritage or R18. Cons- I ride the ‘twisties’ a lot so cornering without too much plate-scrape is challenging and makes for some interesting riding style (I like a challenge) and I wear through tyres quickly. Being tied to the dealer takes getting used to, only they can do anything with the ABS system but bikes older than 5 years get 25% discount on parts and labour so it works out ok and I think BMW would be the same cars or bikes. A bike for people who like to ride and makes anywhere a photo opportunity.

[@ctwrcfan]

I thought maybe the HD would win the suspension compare, it has 4.4” rear travel vs. BMW’s 3.5”. But I have never ridden either.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

They seem very equal in feel 👍🏼

[@mindspinn311]

There was a comparison video done by Motorcyclist between the R18, Street Glide, and Indian Chief. Very interesting. The stand out for the BMW is the fit and finish and how the bike is put together. They said they thought HD was great until the BMW showed them how good it can get. Something else to consider is engine heat. It’s actually worse on the Harley bc of the rear cylinder running hotter and the exhaust pipe being next to your leg. The BMW cylinders and exhaust headers are in the wind and cool better.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes absolutely right

[@thomasbartlett3409]

The BMW shaft drive is trouble free if properly maintained. The Harley m8 is a great platform to work off of and blueprinting the motor with after market parts would bring it up the BMW level of quality.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes good points 👍🏼

[@curtisssmith5204]

And therin lies the problem. The Beemer engine from the factory has superior engineering. A forged steel crank supported by three main bearings makes the engine bulletproof. I like the fact that with proper maintenance, this engine should go hundreds of thousands of miles. Things like valve adjustments on this engine should be a breeze. I like the Harley sound. Just not impressed with the engineering and manufacturing.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@curtisssmith5204 Yes there’s no doubting the quality of BMW engineering 💯

[@faroeselegionnaire3174]

Great presentation would go for the Harley-Davidson Heritage

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy! 👍🏼👍🏼

[@dkslackmaster]

Just picked up a 2021 first edition. Its brilliant! I ride a 1200 GSA as well so the huge cylinders sticking out the sides is not a huge deal. Thank you for this review and keep up the great work. Cheers from Alaska

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Awesome! Every mile’s a smile!

[@nickysoundsgood9664]

Very nice videos. I would choose the bmw. Classier and the engine is simply fabulous.

[@111day1]

I’ve got to say that the Road King would be a better comparison for the R18. The Heritage has always had an inferior suspension and ride compared to the FLH type.

[@thepriddybiker3226]

My view is that there is a different range comparison here. R18 FE > HD heritage classic. R18 Classic > HD Roadking. R18 Transcontinental > CVO.

[@BuccaneerOverland]

As the owner of both BMW and HD bikes this was the fairest comparison I’ve seen. Thanks but I would take the BMW. I live in the US.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks Robert. 💯👍🏼

[@BicepsAndBikinis]

Both beautiful! I’d go for the Harley Davidson ❤️

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks my friend 👍🏼

[@snickrologen]

Great review once again, but when it comes to flavour you need to evaluate what you can afford to eat! 😊

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy. Yes absolutely! 💯

[@littlebiker_2155]

BMW ❤️

[@simonnolloth6103]

I think the ol man is going to sell his harley for a R18, can't believe no fuel gauge bmw tut tut , great viewing as per usual

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy. It’s certainly food for thought, but I’ve decided to keep the Harley

[@ryanm.9197]

I dig that BMW. Harleys are everywhere here in the states. Get a Heritage and you will see several others on your ride. The Beemer? Probably won’t see on other one in several months if ever. So there is a built in uniqueness to the beemer that you just don’t get with the Harley.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes that’s a very good point 👍🏼

[@briangebert8927]

The bmw is a nice looking bike but there's no where to stretch out your legs and I think it's more cramped than a gold wing

[@jamescox4823]

@@briangebert8927 but you can stand, which is worth way more

[@simongilbert2704]

harley for me , good try from bm but poor dealers and disastrous faults;;;;;

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

OK bro. It’s definitely going to wake a few people up at Harley Davidson though!

[@ThePNWRiderWA]

My issue with the BMW if your outside Europe it’s hard to get parts and they lack the dealer rand aftermarket support. I had a 1150 GS and the master cylinder was bad. It ended my holiday and I had to have the bike taken to a shop hour away and fly home. Add to that It took 9 months to get a master cylinder from Germany. That was the last BMW bike I owned and they are beautiful machines.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

That’s a shame. Perhaps that will improve over time 👍🏼

[@a.borovinskih]

The Heritage is, for me, the least liked of Harley's. But it looks way better than r18.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Do you think it’s the least liked Harley? We haven’t heard that before.

[@a.borovinskih]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan I underline, __for_me__

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@a.borovinskih ahh ok got ya 👍🏼

[@breakoutpete210]

Both mechanical art on 2 wheels, both world class cruisers...decisions decisions🤔. Great comparison video👌 Greetings from Canada... 🇨🇦🏍💨🔥✌️😎

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes absolutely! Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼

[@boxofmoles4057]

Two years after watching this, then riding both, very pleased with my decision to purchase the R18 Classic. 👌 Thank you Mr. Darcy & The Ol' Man. 🤙

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Awesome,it is a wonderful motorbike 👍🏼

[@rotax636nut5]

I like the comparison style you used here on this episode, please keep it up. Another great review lads, so far every one's a winner, many thanks

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks Rotax. We wanted to be completely objective

[@grahamtricker4103]

When I rode the R18 last October and compared it to my Softail Deluxe, the very last of the Twin cams (which I preferred to the newer M8 version), I found the Harley brakes much better than on the R18. Maybe because HD used Brembo brakes on the last of the twin cams Softail's. You can use one finger braking on the Deluxe and these provide the best brakes I have ever used on any Harley.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Really ok that’s good 👍🏼💯

[@jroberthadden]

You're right. They finally got the brakes right on those. Maybe the R18 you rode hadn't had enough miles to run in the brakes, yet.

[@grahamtricker4103]

@@jroberthadden There could have been something wrong with the brakes on the R18 I rode. The Missenden Flyer rode the same bike as I did and also commented about the front brakes. I told the sales guy at Barnstormer that he might want to get the front brake checked as it felt like there was air in the system. Never heard back from them. Not bothered either way as I found my Deluxe a much better motorcycle and if anything I would want a lighter bike, not an even heavier one...

[@rotax636nut5]

I'd take the Beemer because of the shaft drive, I also think it's exhaust sound is slightly preferable

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

OK interesting point 👍🏼

[@rorynicholson8558]

After market exhausts should be a must on these girls!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@rorynicholson8558 yes definitely

[@alancarter4525]

What’s the shaft drive advantage? Belts last forever.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@alancarter4525 I’m not sure tbh. Like you say, belts last.

[@stevereilly]

Whatever you do, DO NOT google R18 then and dot then ... Eyes opened there :-D

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Now everyone will lol 😬

[@13elad49]

Which one is more reliable? I suspect the BMW is more reliable. Back in the day, one needed two Harelys one to ride and one to work on. I would go with the BMW.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

It’s hard to say. I think the M8 Harleys are pretty reliable these days 👍🏼👍🏼

[@13elad49]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan I agree. I remember many years ago a friend who was a Harley rider decided to get a BMWR750, he was so used to working on his Harley, he was nearly frustrated because the Beemer didn't need daily adjustments or repairs.

[@akula1055]

According to the consumers report in USA, HD is more reliable than BMW even Ducati is above BMW. The first positions of course go to Japanese brands. Cheers

[@CaptHollister]

BMW's recent history is that the initial adopters are used to work out the problems the factory testers missed. In a consumer survey of new motorcycle reliability, they finished second to last (last was the family of Can-Am Spyders, but they're not really motorcycles). New Harleys, contrary to popular belief, are very reliable. Also, Triumphs no longer leak oil and their electrics work reliably. Old stereotypes are hard to kill, but this is 2022 and things are very different then they were in 1972...

[@13elad49]

@@CaptHollister you're right, I stand corrected. Has a retired car and truck mechanic, I have said, "they don't build them like use to, thank God for that!"

[@beatts101]

Great review guys 👍🏻 The Breakout is still available as a 2021 model though here in the UK and elsewhere. If you were buying a bike now and depreciation on the Harley wasn’t a consideration would you choose the R18 or would you choose the Heritage?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks Alex. All things considered and with the novelty value of something different aside, I’d go for the Heritage Classic.

[@stevereilly]

The Heritage, there are a few 2020 unregistered bikes available, 18 to 19k gets you one, new bike is to order only, 21k for 21 model. BMW from 23k has further to drop generally. Picked up my Heritage today to go with my GSA 1250...

[@tomedwards159]

honda goldwing has reverse, out of those two i would have to go with the HD i just cant get over the cylinders sticking out like that, i can't stand mid controls, my legs cramp up.

[@markfraser6307]

Rather have a new 1100 rebel DCT and save 10k

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@cvh mplsmn you will never see us on a bus! 😁

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

We will be interested in seeing how good the Rebel is!

[@jameshaywood878]

Yes your right, I think the rebel is a better looking bike than the bmw or harley, and would be a better bike, for half the price.

[@PeteFromOZ]

The impartial nature of your review is refreshing and entertaining. Is there much difference in stopping performance of the two bikes?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks Barry. Not really tbh. The R18 with double discs is just a bit better

[@RE650NZGraeme]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan On paper, but in a real road test - I mean with a day's road riding, the Harley stopped better, also the HD was more comfortable and the BMW showered sparks easier on the corners... where is the objectivity with no highway riding for a whole day? Oh, and the Honda Gold Wing has reverse gear - another heavy cruiser.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@RE650NZGraeme we better get you to do it next time bud

[@RE650NZGraeme]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan Your reviews are different to the rest and use a specific list of objective comparisons and there are weights and balances, so overall it is another way of looking at the task, but I also ask other reviewers to include parameters in their specific list of objectives that assist with their measure, TMF for one :) Keep it up guys!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy. We did individual reviews of the bikes in more detail but this is better viewed after seeing the individual reviews first. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@hkn777]

I have to admit BMW did a great job, I have seen one in person and it looks beautiful. But! if you are a Harley guy you are a Harley guy 🤷🏻‍♂️😄 So for me Heritage please 😄💯

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes we get that. Thanks bro

[@leekessler3995]

Nice overview. But you didn’t address build quality. If I opted for the Harley, I would do so expecting a lot more maintenance. Quality is a huge factor. A BMW is expensive but it pays you back every time you ride because of the high quality.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Both very good build quality. R18 possibly a bit better

[@nienchiamao5151]

boxer engine is a STYLE, not a engine wider than V2 that kind of thing....

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes absolutely 👍🏼👍🏼

[@Posttraumaticgrowth]

Thank you guys🤙

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy 👍🏼

[@jjnewman65]

Nice one boys. R18 for me. Different class.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks bro! 👍🏼👍🏼

[@Wilderness-qq8ek]

Heritage 114 all day long...

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

👌

[@johnnymossville]

Harley has the look down. There is nothing awkward about the Harley. The BMW, like many new Indians, looks weird.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

OK we see your point 👍🏼👍🏼

[@jackpeters9048]

I've owned north of 40 bikes from Harley's to everything that burns rice...I stopped and looked at the R18 a couple days ago...it's just screams quality and class...thinking real serious about dropping the hammer and buying one...owned seven new Harley's in my 55 years of riding... I'm sad to say, for a number of reasons, I think Harley has lost some of it's luster....

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

The R 18 is a tremendous bike! Certainly a lot (not all) of the Harleys have lost character

[@markwilliamson2795]

BMW is the winner by defeat . The feet have it , On a cold ride a BMW rider has a 900cc foot and lower leg warmer on each side and I might assume after hours on the road when the Harley rider has his feet in the constant cold breeze with his legs pulled back to the mid position so the cold wind does not blow up his pants legs one might like that boxer style even more than just because chicks dig it..lol. Great video ! Thank you

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Haha yes 👍🏼👍🏼

[@michaelschaefer3124]

If cold feet is your deciding factor you might want to look into a car with a heater.

[@markwilliamson2795]

@@michaelschaefer3124 Thinking maybe a Van with enclosed trailer in " toe " with a hot chick as a chase driver..I don't like sleeping on the cold wet ground...I'm old...

[@shannonsawitzky2725]

Picking up the R 18 Classic next week. Been riding a Heritage Springer for the past 5 years. Looking forward to having reverse, and better front end control. No gas gage may be an adjustment. Will need to watch my kms, or hope for a reset at the very least.

[@JS-nf1sn]

I test rode a Softail, Street Glide, and Road King and went with a 22 BMW R 18 B. Absolutely love it. It's the best thought out bike I've ever ridden. Fast up to 90, sounds great, brilliant cruise control, headlights, heated seat and grips, hill assist, reverse, abs and traction control. I love Harley's too, but for me the BMW is where it is at. Instant classic. I read most of the reviews of the BMW before the test ride and was very pleasantly surprised. IMHO, some of the problem with the reviews, not this one, is that they are asking people that think cruisers are stupid what they think of them. Or people that say any cruiser that's not a Harley is an imposter.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes very good points! I agree. I bought a BMW R 18 for those reasons. It’s tremendous 💯

[@lowcountryrob170]

I can honestly say I don’t know which would be the better bike. While I don’t like the look of the flat twin, HD has some issues as well. I’d probably give a slight edge to the Harley simply because it has a fuel gauge, which isn’t a difficult thing to add the BMW. Great review as always.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy. They really are closely matched and both satisfy your soul 👍🏼

[@LesterSuarezGonzalez-dz9ns]

No doubt at all The Amazing BMW R18 it's one of my favorite Motorcycles but definitevily I stand with the majestic Harley Davidson which has always been my favorite Motorcycle!, Good video, Thanks for sharing!!!

[@Beeds5]

The BMW for me i don't want to spend more money on exhausts stages etc to get the best out of the Harley.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

OK yes understood 👍🏼

[@blackholevideo]

Well I own a 2020 road glide special which, except for some lighting additions, after market shocks, and a custom seat is pure stock and it sounds and performs just fine. To top things off that 114 M8 motor consistently gets 50+ mpg, even in the winter. The relaxed seating position is much more comfortable than my 2016 R1200RT was, especially for long hauls. I am not knocking the RT as it was a fine motorcycle for what it was.

[@captainwin6333]

I prefer the BMW styling to the Harley but, like the guy said, that's subjective. Both bikes are winners in their own right.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy. Yes that’s exactly it 👍🏼

[@alextreitl584]

I have the r18 classic, it’s a wonderful bike…

[@KSRider66]

Love my Heritage. I''m sure the BMW is a great bike but I just don't like how the engine sticks out so far. Again, personal preference.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes we totally get that. 👍🏼

[@grzegorzgrotkowski6575]

HD is copying BMW with Pan America, and the BMW is copying HD with R18.

[@carcaz4755]

Boss You look like star in Sunglasses.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy 👍🏼💯

[@ttonk77]

Great review and not one sided either which was nice. I think BMW really brought something to the table and I’m very impressed. I don’t think you could go wrong with either. I myself own the HD.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks Timothy! Much appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼

[@Mrfacts_ge]

Harley Davidson ❤️❤️❤️

[@pelosishammer]

The R18 has the engine in the way. Thus necessitating the R gear. The Harley is so light and maneuverable without reverse, it doesn't need it.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

I’d still like a reverse on my Harley but I get what you’re saying 👍🏼

[@phillipmeier1321]

The Harley sounds like it's exhaust is not stock

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

No its got slipons 👍🏼👍🏼

[@federicosamperi7336]

In BMW they have come up with a nice engine, with 68cc less it manages to have slightly higher torque and power values (not that they make a difference). As a motorcycle itself, I prefer the Heritage though. Thanks for the video

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy; interesting point 👍🏼

[@federicosamperi7336]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan In your opinion Harley Davidson shouldn't "wake up" and launch a range (in 1 or 2 families) of 700 to 1200cc motorcycles to win over the young people?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@federicosamperi7336 yes definitely. Even 500cc +