The BEST Top Tiers in Fighting Games (Reupload)

[@MrMixtape]

This video is back! Feel free to cheer. It's not necessary but it would boost my self esteem. Note that this video was made in 2023, so any inaccuracies can likely be pinned on that. Feel free to leave any corrections though. Thank you!

[@mcdowlaz7050]

Correction: this is a great analysis and I love you

[@echo.romeo.]

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[@zzodysseuszz]

YAAAAAY

[@theraymunator]

It should be noted that another reason why Kakyoin is so dominant is that unlike Pet Shop, Kak is comparatively very easy to use. He benefits a lot from the Tandem mechanic because it means you can essentially win the game any time you have a bar of super, which is worse since you start every match with one.

[@LordZemosa]

Where's Little Red Riding Hood from the hit bestselling fighter, Shrek Super Slam?

[@fr05tyx98]

I know, what a shame

[@jaxhollenbach8600]

Not sure if you arent super in depth with the melee scene, but wizzrobe is a falcon that definitely deserves a mention, only captain falcon to win a major, and hes done it twice. The best falcon rn and won a major in 2022 as well as high placements in 2023 and 2024 so far

[@casewyrick882]

Tbh, I think he may just be not super into melee. Falcon is the high tier he used for melee. The character is only top 4-8. And the character (for anyone that actually plays competitively) IS FUCKING LAME.

[@illford]

​@@casewyrick882I don't think he's lame but I do think Wizzrobe is lame. N0ne is very cool and Jeapie was si wild with the bs he did back in the day

[@sofiaciel7599]

The palette swap Marvel characters were not just comparable to boss characters, all of them were hidden mini-bosses you would get before fighting Onslaught if you met certain conditions! Though, Orange Hulk is definitely in a different league from the rest (i.e. he's one of the worst characters in the game).

[@thefunkyfish5640]

As someone who only really dabbled in a few fighting games, the concept of a character taking no hitstun is terrifying and it genuinely stuns me that there are characters who are considered as good/better. MVC truly is a wild world

[@mocmeo4425]

Imagine not mentioning wizzy, the only falcon who has won a super major in the captain falcon section Good video doe

[@thesacredbeast2000]

The sub zero thing reminds me of samurai shodown 5 where they removed character variations from 3 and 4, so a decent chunk of the roster either got a doubled up move list or a clone character.

[@z1u512]

I will rewatch this video twice bro dw

[@zakutenakazumiya1516]

You're definitely right about CVS2 Sagat. He's just THE best character in the game, while many would argue Blanka or Cammy being the best with both sharing the same Groove friendly aspects, they often need roll cancels(though you can do without it) to make neutral approaching them scary. Which is why I would often make the assumption that K Groove Cammy/Blanka/Sagat with Sagat the Ratio 2 is the best team in the game, maybe just under the A-Groove Sakura/Dictator/Blanka team, but the latter team needs execution, brainpower and perfect mastery of Roll Canceling. The former is just too powerful, with almost no shortcomings.

[@Strizz484]

I'd put Geese right up there with Sagat, Dic, Sakura, Cammy and Blanka tbh

[@zakutenakazumiya1516]

@@Strizz484 if it weren't for Raging Storm, I would probably agree. He'd be a good battery for any Groove outside of A.

[@Strizz484]

@@zakutenakazumiya1516his counters are super OP, he can grab most Supers in the game for free. Crazy combo damage and stun potential too. RS is killer anti-air, but his real sauce is his Neo Deadly Rave cuz you can cut it short and combo out of it. Something like c.lp, c.lp, c.hp xx NDR (8 hits), c.hp xx hcb+hk = dead or about to die

[@felixcruz5556]

Nice info on these top tier characters on every game here, very informative to know about using them.

[@SomniaCE]

Going from characters so good they're banned or undeniably Top 1/2 to Falcon in Melee was kinda odd. Loved the section on him but bro isn't even Top 5 in his own game in most people's eyes.

[@MrMixtape]

Fair, that's a sentiment I've seen a decent amount and I'll keep it in mind if/when I make another video in this style. Really I just wanted to talk about Falcon cause I think he's incredibly cool lol

[@milliondollarmistake]

I think a disclaimer saying that he's being discussed more for his flashiness over his placement on the tier list would have been good

[@MatheusPacheco1]

Blizzard Wolfgang theme with Sub-Zero gameplay was kinda genius lol

[@jd50053]

9 hours ago? Less than 10k subs? The quality is top notch.

[@KnightLineArtYT]

Trilogy Sub-Zero is a really interesting character, also, nice use of Mega Man X music for his segment with Blizzard Wolfang. Sub's one of those guys who's placement seems to be all over the place depending on the game. But he's usually fun.

[@skunkface_]

If you ask me, Blanka is the only character that truly works in any groove and any position, so he has a slight edge over Sagat imo. He has comparable range (slide, cr. st. and nj. HP, cr. kicks, hop HK, etc) and damage, but with the added benefits of much faster movement and probably the best mix in the game (and that's counting Morrigan). Also RC electric is the best move in the game flat-out; it beats almost everything. Sagat is close but no cigar. You mentioned his big size, and the best examples of that are that he can't duck his own st. HP or any hit of Sakura's HK tatsu. I think his biggest meta strength is that he makes teams flexible because even as a ratio 1 he does similar or better damage than most ratio 2s. So you can "cheat" and kinda have two ratio 2s in effect

[@Moonmoon-tl8js]

Another amazing video Broski

[@metalsonic3174]

Oof, sorry you had to reupload it man. Still amazing!

[@Gigas0101]

I want Kakyoin put into another fighting game. His mechanics all intact and unchanged, his hitboxes as close to the original as the new system will allow, just turn this monster loose on Streetfighter 6 or FighterZ.

[@bizarrelove-7574]

20:00 not the mega man x6 music bruh almost made me cry

[@demiurge2501]

i saw mvc2 come up and my brain went "HUAHHUAHHUAHHUAHHUAH" the storm voice lines will never escape me

[@VarsityAthlete04]

Underrated channel

[@BladedStrider]

I always said Kakyoin was best *And Imo probably the coolest* Jobro in any media he's in. It only took 20 years after HFTF came out for others to realize it.

[@tonberry2670]

In the states Japan knew the whole time

[@jatho7544]

I’m probably DLC biased but in Smash Bros. Ultimate I would say Joker is the best top tier. Speed of Sheik, fastfall speed increase of 90% like Link, can get up to almost 100% with both Eiha and perfect down throw > dragdown up air loops into back air. Has grounded footstool > down gun as an OOS option that he can also loop. Arsene is not even needed to kill at 90% under side platforms with fair 1 dragdown into jab lock or Fsmash. Downside is that he mostly just has MKLeo winning majors with him, not many can use Joker at max potential.

[@nybethobdilord6912]

Loved the vid. Wish more games top tiers got featured like Tekken, KoF, Garou, Samsho, etc. There are a ton of top tiers people love despite their dominance. Though some of the character choices for the other games threw me off a bit. Was expecting characters that dominated their respective meta similar to how Kakyoin did in HFTF. Like in MvC1 Strider or in Umk3/Trilogy Human Smoke. In MvC1 Gold Warmachine and other secret characters often have a negative stigma due to some of their questionable design. However, despite their advantages, Strider ends up outclassing everyone in that game because of his Orb super. Which shuts down just about everything if the player knows what they're doing. He's practically the "Vergil" of MvC1. In Umk3/Trilogy Human Smoke is one of the most well known top tiers. This is because he is basically an enhanced version of Scorpion. He's way faster, more safe and is a combo monster. Everyone tends to look past his dominance simply because of how fun and cool he is.

[@illford]

Tbf I assume it's characters he likes, it's jot supposed to be a list of top tiers

[@joshualowe959]

I decided to play Capcom vs SNK 2 and use the top tier Sagat. I used the N groove. I got a finest ko, defeated the sub boss Bison, got to the secret boss Ultimate Rugal & defeated him without continuing 😀

[@yeehaww6436]

This gives me old screw attack vibes, good shit man!

[@Gestober380]

The algorithm may have dunked on you but I found this the second time

[@hirumaryuei]

K-Sagat is probably not the best. His poor RC options in particular hurt a lot; the A-groove exclusive top tiers (dictator/sakura/blanka) kind of get to bully him. As a K-player (cammy/blanka/sagat) I find generally that expert A-sakura and A-bison have broken tools that were never meant to exist and K-sagat is basically an honest character by comparison. When the biggest downside of A-bison is that he can't do two RC scissor kicks in a row, K-sagat just feels pretty weak by comparison.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

I love this video and you just got a new subscriber.

[@nurofendladzieciforte]

Cool video, but I would argue that the king of Melee's player expression isn't Falcon, it's Fox. Unless there is a significant skill gap between the falcon player and their opponent, there are some tools that they just have to use if they don't want to put themselves at a severe disatvantage, mainly stomp knee and techchasing. He does offer a lot of freedom with comboing, as showcased by n0ne, but his gameplan is ultimately pretty one-dimensional. Meanwhile Fox can play both offensively and defensively very well, offers as much freedom with combos as Falcon (especially when taking shine into account), and also has strong kill confirms (in up throw up air and up smash) and techchasing on certain stages. Watching n0ne and Wizzrobe is like watching a good F1 racer and someone really good at parallel parking, but watching Moky and Leffen is like watching two completely different vehicles.

[@phlo0p]

Id argue that falco is the king of skill expression personally. Like he’s genuinely so sick in his combo game and his mixups, also the amount of depth that lazer adds is crazy!! god i love melee so much

[@illford]

​@@phlo0pyeah I love lazer camping

[@joshualowe959]

Lets admit it: all of us CVS2 players loved using Sagat

[@eddiestilll]

I LOVE MELEE FALCON!!! stomp knee is SO iconic ⚡

[@NabaniSaa]

Damn, no Wizzy shoutout for Melee Falcon? Ooof

[@illford]

Wizzy is the best Falcon but he's also a lot more defensive idk if showing Wizzy is the best of way of showing how insane Falcon is. Wizzy can do cool stuff but some lf his matches are very patient, I like it but I'm not gonna say it's exciting

[@JonnyfromElma]

Falcon isn't a top tier and is the typically considered the weakest high tier, but I'll allow it because MELEE MENTIONED

[@MrMixtape]

He's top tier to me, damn it!

[@Flinch9000]

Falcon’s a good A tier (and my main). He might not have much in recovery and damage wise, but he’s still a good character in my heart.

[@PipsPerruno]

great video!

[@mjul7003]

Most Melee players do not consider Falcon to be a top tier, rather a high tier. Besides that, great video

[@jaxhollenbach8600]

What is your definition of high tier? Pretty sure falcon is commonly considered top tier by almost everyone in the community unless you include sheik, peach, puff, etc as high tiers

[@mjul7003]

@@jaxhollenbach8600 The matter is entirely subjective and I can only speak for myself, my friends and my local community, but the concensus that I've always heard is that Falcon is more or less the top of high tier, not quite the bottom of top tier (as Jigglypuff is considered to be). Again, this is all subjective but I was under the impression that lots of people agreed with this sentiment. I solo main Link so I'm certainly not an authority on Falcon.

[@jaxhollenbach8600]

@@mjul7003 who is top tier in your view then?

[@mjul7003]

@@jaxhollenbach8600 Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik, Puff. I think everyone below that is not top tier

[@casewyrick882]

That’s entirely correct^. Falcon is a high tier. Not a top tier.

[@trafalgar47official66]

20:00 That sweet MegaMan X6 soundtrack

[@c0diz]

i can’t believe you didn’t mention salt for falcon! she’s making waves rn

[@rodrigosalvez250]

Neat video

[@philbuttler3427]

JJBA has some of the whackest hitboxes outside of kurogane or MvC2 I've ever seen.

[@elgordobondiola]

Alessi has all his stand on moves have the hurtbox appear before the hitbox. Meanwhile rubber soul can't have his S pokes wiff punished because they have no extended hurtbox at all. They're around the same tier.

[@reillocb]

5:16 is that run the place red i hear!??

[@therevman5940]

Would be awesome if u did worst low tiers and high tiers too

[@Naito9874]

I'll gladly rewatch this ngl!

[@MrBroken030]

thank you for using scanline captures from fc2!!

[@0835SEBO]

My favorites are Taka in VF5FS and Astroth in SC3.

[@HEHEHE_I_AM_A_MASKED_WARRIA]

Orange Venom is actually a bit different from Venom. All of his specials act differently, and he has a few different normals. Also, you confused the Crossover Combination with the Duo Team Attack.

[@Kir4__qu33n]

Hopping they release a good jojo’s fighting game similar to heritage for the future but new gen( not about the graphics but about online services, maybe more characters in the rooster)

[@CocoDot-mh5tc]

All star battle remastered

[@rettjester]

ayo what is the song list? there are some bangers on here

[@MrMixtape]

I'll add a track list in the description.

[@robertrogdriguez392]

Back in the day seeing someone pick Sagat ratio 2 made me roll my eyes at how hard they’re try Harding. Sagat was godlike in that game

[@JerdMcLean]

Bro Viola in Soul Calibur 5 was a war crime

[@Tsuki_Hisui]

Kakyoin dies?!

[@yre0766]

no he has to leave the crusaders because he went blind but everyone says he died because we don’t really see him again and jotaro mentions avenging him

[@cockanimal4878]

Yeah he gets killed by Mercenary Tao

[@Jayjay0829]

Why did this video get takendown

[@MrMixtape]

Got hit with a copyright takedown notice.

[@dawnkist1456]

Love that i found this video just in time for baihe dropping

[@ReynLynxPSI]

Seige cannon

[@mickeybat5816]

Marvel vs capcom origins in the ps3 might be my first ever fighting game

[@Busmanpwns]

no wizzy mention :'( he's been the best falcon to do it with some real amazing results

[@oradar8417]

Like your vids man

[@michaelduckworthii6232]

Good video but saying Sagat takes a 1/4th of your health with one a cr hp in rage is just wrong

[@Wayte13]

Ah yes, the strongest Melee combo: Knee->Knee->Knee

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Honestly about the Captain Falcon sigmit His down air was a spike also, making it not be able to be meteor cancelled. You didn't mention Wizzrobe who is arguably the best Falcon player. His representation hasn't waned since in the last few years, he has been in the top 5 of tournaments or even won tournaments. Also if you were going to use a Falcon, I would recommend 64 Falcon where he was at his best.

[@FlytoZenith]

I love having Jojo spoilers for literally no reason in a video about fighting games thank bro!!!

[@Eminenceofeternity]

you mean the spoiler that kakyoin dies? the spoiler that is said everywhere and is practically the “death vader is luke’s father” spoiler of jjba

[@JDLupus]

Poor Wizzrobe got done dirty!

[@Beaut1fullyAwkward]

Bro I respect that you cover Jojo Hftf cause for some reason this game is the most interesting fighting game in my opinion sure it's unbalanced but it's a fun kind of unbalanced and hearing someone cover it is great I wish I could play Jojo hftf so bad

[@Merkhahba]

If you a decent PC, looking into FightCade and playing HFTF there.

[@striderzer0]

Technically you can run more than one Sagat if you know the "random select" timing which isnt actually random. Geese would be the easiest because hes the first random character

[@isaacvogel4117]

What is that song playing during the Sasquatch section?

[@frogofdisgust5366]

bump

[@VariantNYC]

i just watched this like a week ago, why the reupload?

[@Zange217]

What was changed in this reupload?

[@MrMixtape]

Mostly just changed out gameplay footage taken from other channels with my own.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

​@@MrMixtapeFair nuff.

[@yre0766]

you can’t deflect the emerald splash

[@1inimilian567]

I feel like you should’ve included baihe in this. Considering how stupidly busted she is. like so busted she got universally banned in the first three hours of her release.

[@JJSquirtle]

I thought a power rangers Rep was gonna make it here like Ivan Ooze or that one white ranger from the new one for some reason

[@looleepop1973]

why youtubers often forget about tekken lore

[@mythosinfinite6736]

16:38 *gasp* Zangief

[@pizzagumby7049]

No kamineko from azumanga fighter. 3/10 try harder next time.

[@cecantu6533]

0 views in 2 min? This guy really fell off

[@Naito9874]

what

[@Gyropop]

I cant tell if this is sarcasm but like the dude has 6k subs. He hasnt even hit his highest point yet, let people grow

[@Shynoh971]

@@Naito9874it’s a joke

[@Shynoh971]

@@Gyropopit’s a joke no need to get ur panties ruffled

[@Valentinexyz__]

@@GyropopIf you couldn’t tell this comment was a joke, that’s on you.

[@LanceAxel]

but what about the third Kakyoin, Rubber Soul?

[@emperormegaman3856]

So no one can deflect the emerald splasher?

[@shishioh]

Zato and Carl

[@Erokingu]

what's happened to the first video?

[@alishegamer8490]

❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@goldskarr]

So why WAS this taken down?

[@gruntocranberry1322]

Nightmare in every soul calibur game is almost cheating

[@sonicrose8430]

Funniest part of this video is that Captain Falcon isn’t even a top tier or in the top 5

[@oof776]

based

[@seansagley6103]

No wizzy?

[@JoelPerez-dl4pr]

Joel Perez join fighting game

[@maxlimit9129]

I like how you ignored Wizzrobe because he's the antithesis of so much of the "Falcon is cool" shit you've said. Falcon is lame

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Baihe in thems fightin herds who just got banned yesterday 😂

[@coolman6139]

12:07 captain falcon in 64 has a touch of death combo and his falcon punch is a recovery and guaranteed combo ender. 64 falcon in melee would be best character in melee compared to melee falcon. Otherwise great video for a small channel your side. What's difference between original video and reupload of it?

[@PlatinPark1992]

Capt Falcon isnt even in the top 5 in melee lol

[@Hfidon]

2Ds in Tekken 7 😂

[@danielsmith5032]

Great video! But feedback: I haven’t really played the other fighting games so it’s very informative and interesting to watch; but when I see you put capt falcon as the BEST of top tiers for Melee I know factually that’s just incorrect. He’s nowhere near top. So now I don’t know what to believe anymore about the validity of the information presented in the video 😅. And then that makes me question whether to finish it Keep that in mind. Great video

[@Farza2005]

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[@dank2171]

After watching weskeem video. Knox gets the w. Just like kendrick with drake. There was enough smoke to utilize in a battle just like the ez mills manager interview. Scru fans trying to twist the narrative and the round order. Yt battles can be whack and the fanbases can be obnoxious, especially the extreme upchurch and scru fans who are racist and create weird narratives. I felt wierd about wienstein allegations but skeem seem honest and real versus scru is know liar. The toxicity of the fanbases kill a lot of the fun in the beefs. Knox pen is insane. I wish fanbases could be more fair and less toxic.

[@JaceAce2567]

FIrst

[@hosaminthehouse3431]

TF man the title said "Fighting Games" Y the hell there is a smash title in the video? and yes Smash in general is party game and you can play it competitively and have tournaments but that doesnt mean its a fighting game

[@novameowww]

nice bait

[@christopherreger9408]

MK sucks. Waste of video time.

[@hecatomb1864]

Id put Vega or Claw from super turbo, even japan soft bans him. His game plan is just knock down into wall dives

[@Bonk760]

bump