The Broken Top Tiers of Garou: Mark of the Wolves

[@mysteryguyiscool5054]

The most execution-heavy thing about Grant is to select him

[@yeetkunedo]

Grant is awesome, but none of his normals are special cancelable. All of his toolkit is reliant on links and big single hits that lead into larger damage opportunities.

[@kaiji4419]

As a grant main, I feel offended XD but yeah, he doesn't require too much execution unless you play more aggressively

[@mysteryguyiscool5054]

@@yeetkunedo Personally, even SF3 combos are hellish for me, since I come from Tekken with its pussy-ass juggles and I never learned anyone harder than Paul there. I can't even begin to imagine how excruciating the link system will be to me.

[@yeetkunedo]

@@mysteryguyiscool5054 I’m thinking COTW’s systems will be much more forgiving. MOTW’s are very strict compared to modern FG design ethos.

[@DiaSynapsid]

What perfect timing, given B Jenet's reveal.

[@captainnavigator6534]

And Grant's pupil's reveal i guess

[@joshgutteridge2909]

Kevin just got announced as part of the roster.

[@pokemonpaul7939]

She's so hot icl🤭

[@GinkgoPete]

Plus 9 or 11 on Block? Mr President a second move has hit the block string.

[@Wolfedge75]

It's actually pretty impressive on SNK's part that Garou's boss characters (Grant & Kain), while still (very) strong remain *_competitively legal_* when you take into account their history of cheap, broken bosses.

[@AtJoee230]

no está permitido jugar con rugal

[@jenisia3600]

Exactly

[@WikiHL]

98 Rugal (not Omega Rugal) is even more baffling, because he straight sucked, until 98 UM made him better

[@ODDiSEE_]

They circumvented this by making it to when fighting against them as bosses, they have access better frame data

[@qawdzsoejojrjgvrgvjrjrdgvjedso]

@@AtJoee230 why did you have to speak spanish to english speakers

[@goldengoldy0197]

6:20 Actually, this is because even the older Fatal Fury games had a mechanic where, during proximity guard (I.E you didn't block the normal yet but your character is still stuck in place guarding themselves), you could press 6A to momentarily remove your upper hurtbox just like a Guilty Gear 6P but without covering active frames. This pretty much solidifies this and the much simpler 2AB method the later games went for as a counterpoke rather than an anti air, something you use to hit during the recovery of the other person's move. Sorry for the nerd rant. Kevin is the only cool cop. Bingo!

[@-AirKat-]

Huh, that possibly explains Terry’s sidestep uptilt in Smash

[@goldengoldy0197]

@@-AirKat- I haven't played Smash in years, how is it there?

[@-AirKat-]

@@goldengoldy0197 unique to Terry, if you attack during a sidestep Terry will do his uptilt, but his upper half gains invincibility while doing so

[@goldengoldy0197]

@@-AirKat- Just checked what you are talking about, and that seems to be his dodge attack from King of Fighters rather than anything from Fatal Fury.

[@-AirKat-]

@@goldengoldy0197 ah

[@juice17776]

“with access to so many ways of killing you. fitting for a member of law enforcement” mr mixtape based!???!????

[@spiralgodking9877]

He doesn't even need a gun to do it...ultra based.

[@briangoulet948]

Should also be noted for kain that charge time in garou is really fast

[@goldengoldy0197]

The charge moves are basically normal motion inputs by how lenient they are, the one thing they fuck over is doing a Guard Cancel into them, which is a serious weakness Kain has always had at the highest level.

[@chopper8209]

You’ll main B. Jenet because she’s a top tier. I’ll main B. Jenet because she’s hot. We are not the same.

[@ikedatike2533]

Honestly yeah we're not the same because I play her for both reasons

[@maverickhunterstupidiocy7779]

I play Terry a lot but cool beans

[@RootatouilleSH]

Same with Kain 😏

[@mikaelamonsterland]

bro anybody that picks that character is doing so bc pirate mommy milky and viability be damned

[@lennythesatan7747]

I haven't knew she was a top tier.

[@genoronpa7465]

Who these wolves? And what their mark look like?

[@ultra_archer4063]

Terry and Rock, the stars on their jackets

[@worstinshow]

I hear there's a whole city of them

[@DeitySkullKid]

I just wanna add that in the Xbox 360 version of garou, which got rollback iirc, to use grant or kain you just move the cursor off the screen to the right past the on screen fighters, it cycles back around after the two

[@leodiusd4858]

Like hftf?

[@TJF588]

The PlayStation versions also got rollback, including the PS Vita version, since it was implemented before its support got gutted. Shame that Guilty Gear didn't jump on that train until after that point, which may explain why its PS4 releases of Xrd didn't get patched, to preserve PS3 cross-play.

[@yeetkunedo]

If you’re on Fightcade, it’s Kain: Hover character select on Jae Hoon, then hold the start button, then move the stick in this sequence - ↓ ↓ ↑ ↑ ↓ ↑ - then press a button after the portrait changes. Grant: same exact process, except hover on Dong Hwan, and reverse the stick input directions - ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ↑ ↓.

[@ShorinRyu74]

same on PC

[@lessthanbrilliant3672]

Me: Remy/Kagura/Leo main thinking about getting into Garou. Wonder who I should try out first? Mr Mixtape: “He’s a charge character...” SOLD.

[@briangoulet948]

Kevin just wants to reach the golden spin ok

[@MusicoftheDamned]

As someone who has never touched _Garou_ as yet, it's amusing to note how three of top four seem to have (really obnoxious) dive kicks but the potentially strongest character of Kevin Rian doesn't. Huh.

[@jimbo5266]

Kain doesn't have a dive kick. Garou has a ton of dive kicks in general, actually. Grant, Jenet, Hotaru, Dong (also has a super dive kick), Jae (with follow-ups!), and sorta Gato (out of his command jump stance). None of the low-tier chars have dive kicks, so there certainly is divekick privelage.

[@MusicoftheDamned]

@@jimbo5266 Huh. I wonder what that weird looking downward aerial kick of Kain's is then. Just a privileged-looking air nomal? Either way, noted. The least surprising thing to learn is that the lower tier characters all lack dive kicks. Funny to realize that includes Rock and, presumably, even Terry.

[@jimbo5266]

@@MusicoftheDamned Terry is mid, but rock is crap. I think that's Kain's air D.

[@ezelalia5739]

​@@MusicoftheDamned really late but to anwser your question, the downward energy kick Kain has is his aerial heavy kick, juat like Bison he has special energy looking heavies

[@MusicoftheDamned]

@@ezelalia5739 Two weeks isn't that late. Good to know. Thanks

[@jinxhand]

FWIW, a Hokutomaru won EVO 2019, and a Tizoc won the singles tournament in Garou's "COOP Cup" (Wild Wolves Warcry) also in 2019.

[@giantdinoboy8264]

Also because of how lenient the input system is for this game, Kain can preform all of his back charge specials after a partial dash which means that he doesn't need to give up space when throwing fireballs and he can extend the range on his rush punch.

[@chasepalumbo2929]

I absolutely love the break system and the feint canceling in this game. Also the visuals and gameplay in general are amazing. Great video

[@CB66941]

One thing I like about Garou which is a weird thing to say now is how responsive and functional all the characters are. Every character feels at first glance that they can do work when you try them out for the first time. I mean take a look at SF4 and see just how many characters outright sucked.

[@yeetkunedo]

That’s my favorite thing about Garou. Until you hit a level where brake cancels become part of your standard toolkit, the cast is pretty damn functional across the board, provided you make the right reads. Once you cross the brake cancel combo threshold, the tier lines become very, very real.

[@niwona_]

With the top 5 (Gato) I actually think these are all the most interesting characters in the game. To me, with another iteration of the game, raising the utility of everyone to those standards could've made this game even cooler. I know people hate how strong Kevin is, but it's just crazy all the things he has in his kit and how freeform he is. Can't wait to see him in COTW.

[@No0neat]

"Kevin Rian is a broken top tier" Me, who is utter garbage with Kevin and just play him because of his funny crawl: *Wait, wha?*

[@kaiji4419]

He is pretty much the god tier XD (and Freeman the bottom tier)

[@yeetkunedo]

He’s the most broken character in the game. Bar none.

[@WikiHL]

Kevin saw the rules of the game and said "no, thank you"

[@bw4708]

Perfect timing after the trailers yesterday!

[@yeetkunedo]

You fundamentally misunderstand Grant. He is not the easy button character. His game plan is simple and focused on scoring comboable counterhits using a few of his more threatening specials, but since none of his normals are cancelable into special or super, you have to rely upon raw timing links or mixups to open the opponent up. What he excels at is clapping opponents for overextending themselves, but this is also his Achilles’ heel, as many of his specials aren’t as safe as they seem. His 236D is his only true safe special, and if it’s JD’d due to the Grant player becoming predictable, he’s gonna get his face erased off of a guard cancel. Both Kevin and Jenet are better than Grant, it’s just that Grant hits harder for less effort, provided that the Grant player is equal parts patient and attentive. He is a scrub killer, through and through.

[@ramijackson3978]

Found the Grant player lol.

[@yeetkunedo]

@@ramijackson3978 Yeah. I play Grant. I also main Dong, Gato, Butt, Terry and Jenet, and sub Hoku, Kain, Jae, Rock, Freeman and Tizoc. The only character I don’t really fuck with all that much is Kevin, and that’s because that sonbitch is literally broken and should be banned.

[@red-knight39]

LET'S GO! Grant appreciation day 🎉

[@Roge9]

Garou suffers a lot for first game syndrome (excluding other fatal fury games cuz they're different games with different systems/characters) It's a miracle the game turned out the way it did. Now after all these years we can see how a will sequel turn out.

[@gabrielguantello845]

My favorite 2d. Me and my friend do Butt vs. Dong all day.

[@JNAB0212]

You and your friend do what vs what all day? (I know the characters names, but you know how that sounds)

[@thosebloodybadgers8499]

Ooh, who's the top?

[@sirchris6047]

what about BJ

[@liliencalvel6151]

​@@JNAB0212😂😂😂

[@liliencalvel6151]

​@@thosebloodybadgers8499😂😂

[@iskander0725]

Found you randomly talking about Jojo's broken top two. I think you've become a go to for fighting game broken fun facts. Keep it up, man. Your vids are a lot of fun. Whether to learn something new or relive old nightmares.

[@mrtable2861]

14:43 "Jenet boasts very strong defense as well". Then 15:58 "One thing you never want to see on a character: low defense". Yeah, makes sense. In all seriousness, I get what you meant by those (defensive game and defense rate respectively) but it's just funny to see these 2 lines a minute and 15 seconds apart from each other. Also, I gotta assume that the logic of the defense rates in this game, on top of general gameplay balance, was: massively buff dudes having high defense rates (95% for Grant and Tizoc), slim girls and small teenage boy having low defense rates (110% for B. Jenet, Hotaru and Hokutomaru) and generally muscular dudes having in-between defense rates (100% for every other characters).

[@axle1657]

this video is like... unironically a great guide for people looking to learn any of these characters, telling you what tools to focus on if you pick them up.

[@Sommeill]

Gato needed an honorable mention imo. Even if his MotW pales in comparison to the monster he became in KOF XI.

[@TheSeventhForce]

whoa whoa whoa sonic adventure 2 brackets on fightcade tell me more Seriously though, great video, well timed, too.

[@MaybeeBizarreSummer]

I absolutely adore this game, glad that you’re covering it

[@FaustY2K]

Garou gang eating good this week

[@saadhasan2518]

Kain is so cool, some of his ideas in terms of gameplay would be used for Ash in Kof, the fireball super, high execution demand (even more of a requirement with Ash) and having an entry barrier. Also, I would like you to do a video on Ash Crimson as a character like competitive history or something

[@GlitchanBlack]

Can't believe you mistook Kain for Remy from Street Fighter 3: Third Strike.

[@PerfectOrange-Goblin]

Wow who knew hokutomaru was lower-mid 💥

[@PerfectOrange-Goblin]

also shout out for the 17 hour sonic adventure 2 tournament revival

[@a-pathetic]

This video does a better job at explaining the core mechanics than some guides made specially for that. Well done!

[@blindmanroshi2452]

MrMixtape you be making some of the best content on KZbin fr

[@Fenrisson]

2:29 - That's how it worked in the Real Bout games. In City of The Wolves, I guess the other aspect has been fully incorporated.

[@thomasderosso5625]

Fantastic to see that there's even more depth in Garou than I ever knew!

[@jackalvonstone250]

We really need a Garou is Broken type vid. In the vein of Heeew

[@Fenrisson]

1:30 - Good one!

[@mattp6326]

This was rad! I would love to hear this kind of breakdown for all the characters!

[@venomtang]

cool man, just dropping a like, and gonna finish watching once I'm off work and get a minute

[@deuceex]

"Fitting for a member of law enforcement, I suppose." lmao subbed

[@legalam]

This video was ridiculously good. Will jump back on Garou tonight.

[@jenisia3600]

As u should

[@Fenrisson]

3:36 - I *like* your way with words, sir!

[@NuckleBebop]

Grant is probably the reason RB2 is my fave Fatal Fury🤣

[@SK_yg]

Much love for this Video 🔥

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

From SA2 to Garou is so funny cool that you got to finals as your first play

[@Fenrisson]

17:37 - And the voice acting is superb!

[@leonsqual7543]

Fantastic video, love seeing some Garou!

[@drmalfunction1349]

if you go into window on fightcade during a game, then press blitter options, you can click scanlines to turn those arcade screen lines off, if you want

[@bobsledboytrwzz9615]

Love the content bro, returning to garou as a noob rock has been rough haha

[@koopatroopa]

also, your videos are really cool. subbed

[@spectrumbots4268]

I can't wait to see what Kevin, Grant (IF he shows up that is), and Kain look like in 3D!

[@user-cb4vt3qm3j]

Grant probably not, seeing how Vox is standing in for him gameplay-wise, but Kain was present on some teaser stills, so we're seeing him!

[@jahaonsaqarty8752]

kevin is FRICKED

[@tcchip]

This was really informative to watch. I'd be interested to see a follow-up as to why the bottom four are so, since Garou is a more balanced game than most of its contemporaries. I have some rough idea as to why Tizoc, Rock and Freeman are all bottom feeding. But I've always gotten the feeling that it wasn't for any one particular weakness intrinsic to the character, and rather the rest of the roster simply being able to do better with their tools. Hokutomaru and Rock for example, feel like they're quite balanced with their move set until you realize that Rock has poor damage conversions and nothing particularly oppressive about his pressure.

[@andreadicastro8525]

Id really love to play city of the wolves so what would be a character from garou or that already got announced for COTW that plays similarly to bedman? So projectile neutral, long pressure unique mobility tools, good abari ecc.

[@CmndrAntilles]

Kevin's D super isn't particularly invulnerable past it's instant activation. It's one weakness when used raw is it can actually be beaten with low profile moves. He is absolutely top 1 no question though.

[@DevManner]

Love to finally see Garou, great video!

[@gustavochavarria8161]

Seeing Sonic Adventure 2 on Fightcade is what inspired me to get the gane on Steam because it played *SO AWFULY LAGGY* in Fightcade.

[@Fenrisson]

I played (and play!) Gato and Rock. Rock is my absolute favorite, and I always thought it was strange that the I was so bad with new main guy (and so cool at that time), but figured that was just me. However, with Gato, with his horrendous anti-air, I was a lot better. Some quarter a century ago, I come to see a video talking about that! The internet is amazing.

[@SebastianMachado-oh8ix]

Grant is not easy button character, if you smash buttons, you easily got killed against experience players.

[@illford]

Tbf I think when yiu say easy for an SNK game I feel it just looks like you spend less mental energy than other people or they're just nit as hard. Even SNK game is kind of isolating but there are most definitely easier characters to win with

[@anon3631]

Grant is a consistent top tier but he is very linear and once you learn the matchup he can't really rob you like the other 3. Yeah, you can pull anything out of his 2AB on hit via kara cancel (for eg. his DP break) but it's very rarely used even on high level.

[@anthonyslaptheknee9344]

You're top tier at timing

[@luizfelipealvesfernandes3564]

I love yor Voice and ALL videos😊

[@Jam_Streets]

Just hearing "I entered a Sonic Adventure 2 bracket" let me know what bracket you were talking about and I feel like Apollo but in the worst way possible since I said that bracket was gonna be the problem child as a joke Also, thank you for the coverage on the top tiers, it genuinely made me want to check the game again with a few of the top tiers to try out which I hadn't before.

[@Nhan6241]

Uh, the last time I check the tier list it was 5 characters at the top (including Gato). How my man have fallen

[@kaiji4419]

Usually the tier list is - Kevin (almost everything is good... If not all) - jennet (divekick is really broken and has good normals) - gato (almost everything is safe and can combo into super...linda exagerated but still) - Kain (even for a charge character, You can be REALLY agresive with him, and has some bugs that helps to take your oponent by surprise) - Grant (even if he can be punished ('cause he has a lot of unsafe moves) he has great damage and defense/health) Grant is last partialy 'cause the other 4 can charge bars faster than him (Kain and gato had something similar to rotor cancel and jennet can use the bdash+dive kick)

[@taistealai5523]

How the hell do sonic adventure 2 brackets work!?

[@dusk112]

Can't believe Gato escaped this vid

[@mikaelamonsterland]

i remember the first time i tried this game playing rock bc he looked cool and has cool moves but when i tried anybody else in the game they all feel ridiculously better than him which made me sad

[@Fenrisson]

14:55 - Yes, that is very frustrating indeed.

[@swaggod1]

i want to know the process behind choosing garou as the game to switch to from sonic adventure was it a vote or just the TO picked mark of the wolves?

[@koopatroopa]

i remember learning this game around 2008 and kain was ranked a low tier on the srk(maybe dreamcancel?) wiki

[@bigredradish]

ahhh, good old motw. jenet's on my mind i gotta learn this lady

[@Dreckerr]

Gonna need some info about those SA2 brackets.

[@saltinefromindiana]

I forgot Marco was called Butt in this game. For a second i was confused when you mentioned him

[@goldskarr]

... what the hell is a sonic adventure 2 bracket? Isn't Fightcade just arcade games?

[@Jam_Streets]

It has dreamcast games as well

[@lancesmith8298]

Basically just has every single retro game with any flavor of PVP at all

[@goldskarr]

Huh. Okay then. Thanks for the info, folks.

[@aplsed]

How tf do you play SA2 on FightCade?

[@yeetkunedo]

Fightcade has rooms for just about every Dreamcast / NAOMI game in existence. The autodownloader takes care of the rest.

[@Melanatedhatervibez]

I remember wayyyyy back when Kain was considered low tier along with Freeman and Tizoc...hes had a long journey

[@Tomvikes41]

Id like to hear a whole cast overview from you

[@alexprince871]

“Given that he’s a member of law enforcement” real

[@afineegg1040]

Is it weird that this video made me want to pick up this game and play Grant? I dunno even without the sound effects of the game in the background, some of his moves, watching them land just felt incredibly satisfying and I wanna do it.

[@snazzrin.7185]

only little bitches care about tier lists, you play whoever makes u happy, regardless if a scrub gets mad at you in the fightcade chat

[@kaiji4419]

At low levels, You can go nuts, is almost unstopable XD, the higher levels You play, You'll find out that he has a lot of unsafe moves... But still You can win punishing in the right moment XD

[@TheDatabaseNetwork]

TL;DR: You like playing as Ralf Jones from the KOF games? You'll love Kevin Rian.

[@Amalvipls]

I have no clue why during the grant explanation MrMixtape says Garou is a defensive game and that Grant spends most of the matches running away All the footage shows constant rushing in without any turtling, which is consistent with all the matches I played back in the day.

[@Fenrisson]

3:57 - The good old times.

[@xmanr0cks]

how does sonic adventures 2 have tournaments?

[@JacobSteakfries]

Damn for a game as prolific as Garou you don't hear many people dig into it like this. Maybe with the sequel coming out we'll see more like this video.

[@jesusatzel6448]

Its kind of funny that rock is on the low rank here... I have played him and foudn him and Gato to be my favorite picks. just in case u dont know u can play gesse style with him and prectaboo many moves of your opponent to get a counter hit, yeah it may not be a huge damage for sure but still has invulnerability on it so long rock gets hit. you may choose to use a special move right after like his special command grab air throw if enemy is too close. and you can use repukken all the way with good tempo just to make those insane DIve kick characters have that move countered and feel like they arent so special anymore. other than that u can almost teleport, sprint into enemy face with his move and get close to do special throw or swap screen while repukken is on the way slow version, meaning it cant be guarded. well just my 2 cents cos I feel u under-rated that fella that has some Gesse moves but more mobility and that should earn respect

[@rickym1883]

This was great

[@theanxietynurse]

Is xbox 360 port better than aca neogeo?

[@D3Vlicious]

Imagine pronouncing Kain's name corrently but totally missing B. Jenet's.

[@Kardz6]

I hope you talk about the low tiers too Especially...freeman who i hope gets in the new garou :,)

[@Tenfoldoncesaid]

Thank you!

[@bladedasher]

Shoutouts to big bodies having ridiculous movement options, gotta be one of my favorite genders

[@Argosaxelcaos]

And now Jenet and mini-grant are back, and there is no chance Kain doesn't make it in. Let's hope they are a bit more balanced, although seeing how Jenet is in Kof XV 😂

[@SMSELWA]

seeing rotor cancels remind me of my xrd johnny days 😂 kinda looks like mistfiner cancels

[@xtroyr_5747]

Every time I want to play a fighting game, I end up picking a Low tier. I mean, my favorites are The Griffon and Freeman. Really makes me wonder if they perform as bad as they make it sound.

[@jenkins464]

Cool, make more garou videos. Let's see the rest of the roster

[@kofiagyeman]

Do yall think they’ll bring every one back for cotw

[@UMAtronic]

I really hope kevin comes back in the new games. I played just because i just thought he looked like hed be easy. But hes actually pretty interesting.

[@billyboleson2830]

I wish Freeman was a good character I love edgelord Rushdown

[@kaiji4419]

He can do really good stuff, but it takes a lot of practice