MORE of the Best Top Tiers

[@MrMixtape]

Hey guys, sorry if I sound a bit haggard here. Got a bit of a cold. Also I bit my tongue like an hour before recording lol. Not my week

[@spoonerismstuff]

Hope your tongue feels better soon

[@ameryaser3987]

Sorry to hear that. 1 for low tiers gotta talk about 12 one day. 2ed maybe do a "most hard to play in fighting game video." I bet puppet characters, minigame characters, mimic characters and high execution characters would top that list.

[@ameryaser3987]

Now I'm off to watch some tournaments

[@BattleMaidAstarte]

what'dya think the algorhythm viability is like for the missed potential of high and mid tiers? and the nuanced situations that comes with it?

[@KingRoni1222]

1) Hope you get better soon 2) Soundtrack list? Insta-edit: I'm an idiot with a lack of the ability to look at the corner, also heavily appreciate that you do that with the background music - saves so much time finding the really good tracks!

[@galmart3111]

Johnny was such a monster in xrd that people forgot how FOUL elphelt was

[@philbuttler3427]

Elphelt was cancerous, Johnny at least took execution.

[@w1sh86]

Truer words have never been spoken.

[@armorparade]

@@philbuttler3427 elphelt is really obnoxious but lets not pretend she doesnt take work. not as much as johnny but you cant just pick up elphelt and magically start seeing results i hate that character as much as anyone but lets keep it a stack lol

[@philbuttler3427]

@@armorparade oh I just meant relative to pretty much any other character she was expressly designed to be easier. Easier is definitely relative though cause Xrd is hard AF to get good at.

[@edlerkrieger8045]

​@@philbuttler3427 Tbh I don't think Xrd johny execution is that hard and he is dumbed down in a way because he no longer has to manage when to go into level 3 because he always wants to be in level 3. One of the reasons he's so good and consistent in Xrd.

[@thisismybassgun]

As a Blazblue beginner, even playing Izanami's character guide was like "...wait, what?!" I laughed as they were like "oh, she can't block!" And then immediately are like "Plus, here's Broly armor"

[@kath_nanaya6803]

izanami cons: can't block izanami pros: can't not block

[@devinnix9071]

I cannot block but I must cage

[@markthematey9873]

As an Izanami player, she’s fun and easily top 3 in the game. She requires a decent amount of practice to get down and is fairly punishing as her defensive kit is fairly poor with no meterless reversals. But she is probably the best character in the game at winning after a single hit

[@z1u512]

Finally more people exposing izanami players

[@germanmayonez3042]

Death to izanami

[@aeugh8998]

I swear to god Mori was high on crack while making BlazBlue. Like look at the top tier of this game, it's enough to leave a scar for 3 generations just from that floating T-Pose Ribcage

[@lollolrk]

Funniest part about ARIA is that over the course of KIs lifespan- she isn't even the most nutty top tier. Not by a long shot. We are blessed that KIs competitive lifecycle ended before Eagle became absolutely insane, and got nerfed recently. But oh boy, there are things to be said about him. Or Season 2 TJ. Or season 2 Maya. Or Fulgore in any season. ARIA is strong, sure- but on KI standards, she is relatively "fair" top tier.

[@Shuttergun1]

Let’s not forget omen, a character who has some of the nuttiest shadow moves (one of which is a one button get out of jail free card) and the unique trait of having *every combo ender giving him extra meter* oh and he has an extra meter bar because why not and he also has a super move in a game without super moves

[@midir1326]

​@@Shuttergun1don't forget that he can also glide and backdash in the air, which gives him an insane high low mix up, aswell as blocking the opponent's meter just by doing a specific and easy to use combo or hitting with his fireballs in instinct.

[@combomamba]

Friendly reminder that season 2 Kan-Ra with his sand traps, bugs and absolutely stupid damage, just straight up nullified like two thirds of the entire roster until he got nerfed into the ground in season 3

[@GenericSoda]

KARNOV'S REVENGE MENTIONED the tier list for Karnov's has been really interesting as of late, people mostly think that Zazie is top one, but Mizoguchi has gotten a lot of reevaluation in the past few years with his high damage and frankly absurd DP.

[@armorparade]

mizoguchi is absolutely one of those characters where it never feels like its over for him until he hits 0. every match against him is a horror movie fr

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

Surprised a Mid Tier video hasn't been made yet. It's probably hard to do, but feels weird not having it out. Mid Tiers are actually my preferred character choice as I don't feel carried as playing a Top Tier would feel like but won't struggle like playing with a Low Tier. Best of both worlds.

[@Spectrik]

The classic, respectable characters that everyone can enjoy and play. I'll pass lol (Zato main, they killed my boy)

[@joshdavis8381]

I feel like Armor King in Tekken 7 is the face of mid tier characters. He's very fundamental focused, and his tools overall are good. Nothing crazy or particularly better than higher tier characters, but better than low tiers at least. He was pretty consistent between all the patches too. None of the tweaks he got ever necessarily made him better or worse. He's also been my main ever sine he was dropped in season 2 of 7.

[@Spectrik]

@@joshdavis8381 I loved tekken 7 played ALOT of Negan sadly we'll never see him again

[@ledgy69]

@@Spectrik just play who you like and don't let the whinging get to you or guilt you. You earn every win. 😊

[@asianbeowulf4276]

Maybe you shouldn’t care what other people think and just choose characters you like regardless of what tier they are.

[@NeutralDrow]

Random historical Johnny info: the coin powerups and Bacchus worked somewhat differently in Guilty Gear X2 and its iterations. They still went up to Level 3, but IIRC Level 2 Mist Finer would always cause wallbounce, and Level 3 turned Mist Finer into a six-hit combo. Meanwhile, Bacchus in Xrd makes it so the opponent staggers on block. Bacchus in X2 makes it so the opponent _can't_ block.

[@leafmotifs681]

I think with GT Goku it should have been noted how comical the plus frames on spirit bomb are. It wasn’t just standard 4 way mix, he had unironically like 6 seconds of plus frames for some godforsaken reason

[@WikiHL]

Now I wait for the inevitable sequel when you learn the mechanic exploiting degeneracy that is Kevin Ryan in Mark of the Wolves

[@Sommeill]

Gato is also pretty insane in that game.

[@kaiji4419]

@@Sommeill welp, he is pretty much in the top 5 along with kevin, jenet and the bosses XD

[@TheSeventhForce]

I'm a dirty jenet main in garou and I make absolutely no apologies for the life choices that led me to that Great video as always

[@hyliandoctor]

I picked up Jenet after swapping off of Rock because she was cute and I wanted to play someone that wasn't outclassed by literally everyone else. 10/10 instant main in every game she's in (Oh god, please let her be in City of the Wolves; they've GOTTA do it)

[@chloeobama2537]

important to note that burst goes through ribcage

[@billyboleson2830]

Blazblue top tiers are a different breed from other fighting games. Some of the most vile top tiers you will ever see but the idea behind Blazblue top tiers is that in theory they are almost all really difficult to play. Carl is hard, Iza is hard, Arakune is hard, Rachel is very hard etc it’s not like strive where sol is just brain dead and top tier

[@caradearanha]

Izanami is not *that* hard And Arakune isn't even a top tier

[@nahshonsmith1484]

​yes she is and yes he is

[@duo317]

Izayoi is the only top tier that's easy

[@nayd5043]

@@duo317 She is not easy either, and not nearly as top tier as the other guys, Es is the one you're looking for(closest you will get to top while still being easy).

[@billyboleson2830]

@@nayd5043 Izayoi is top tier depending on who you ask. But I do find her overall difficulty to be a bit overblown by the community, she’s not brain dead but still no where as hard as people say she is

[@AdeptusForge]

GT Goku's autocombo being a long distance wasn't touched on enough. Two of the biggest escape options in DBFZ are backdash and reflect. Both are intended to make space with the opponent in different ways. The problem is that GT Goku's autocombo moving SO far forward meant it could reliably punish backdash, and maintain pressure on reflect, making it very difficult to escape, especially combined with his strong stagger pressure.

[@gold_alienz7600]

I was surprised at the Ray mention, thank you for covering my favorite fighter! A sneaky strategy you can do with Ray is being able to hit behind a cornered opponent as they wake up with Hard Electric Tackle, its a good finisher and you can keep them guessing if you're doing the hard or light version.

[@TJF588]

Looks like Roa's biggest nerf in Lumina was a haircut.

[@raikoedgymoto]

Still mad about that redesign tbh 😒 I know his long hair makes a small cameo in the remake novel to differentiate who's in control of the body Neat and clever story telling gimmick but I miss the warcrime locks lmao

[@fantasmatice999]

everyone were nerfed in lumina design wise

[@shobooknight]

He's just so honest they were having a hard time coming up with anything to take out

[@R.P.Genocraft]

Johnny mentioned 🔥🔥🔥 (Also Touhou music jumpscare? Soku video when? 🤔)

[@butnuster354]

It's worth noting for 236C in your roa section that it's also plus on block for some reason and lets him get a very stable knockdown that gives him orbs pretty much anywhere on screen (236C into dash 2C always lets you tk 3 air orbs) and you can fit it into pretty much any of his routes. Because you always get an orb setup you pretty much build the meter back too and it can loop a stupid amount of times

[@mandalorianhunter1]

I'm glad GT Goku is back and is on a rampage. The Rat won't stay down forever. GT Goku was nerfed in season 3 and stayed nerfed until the changes for him last year undid his nerfs, except assist A with the beam.

[@Adog234]

I love the pun with goichi’s name its go 1 and 1 is ichi in Japanese.

[@robriley6135]

always makes me happy to see another video explaining cool fg characters in my inbox

[@Jaxxssonnn]

I LOVE THESE VIDS PLS NEVER STOP

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

Might I suggest grabbing footage of characters in their prime for those in patchable fighting games? Even if it's just grabbing clips of tournament play demonstrating the points you bring up.

[@Vernafveik]

Another character in KI worth talking about if you're planning to do another one in the future would be Rash. He's definitely the most hated character that's for sure!

[@jokerofspades-xt3bs]

I know its late and this probably won't be seen, but candyman from Lethal League (and also Lethal League Blaze) is my favorite top tier character in any fighting game

[@avaferret]

Love the background footage in the karnov section showing off how wack the AI in that game is. Samchays hold forward and frame perfect button technique lol. Sick video!

[@randommmwiththreeMs]

I'm an Izanami main. She's so utterly disgusting on offense, but man her combos are so sick to hit, float cancelling mid combo is something that you really cannot beat in satisfaction

[@Wiiownyou]

Izanami is head and shoulders above the rest, as a long time player of BBCF I'll never understand why she wasn't banned for just being soul crushingly unfun to fight. Yes, the other top tiers like Mai/Es/Rachel/Carl/Litchi are oppressive with foul mixups/crazy oki/amazing neutral but at least they have to learn to do more precise manuvers and actually have to block if you DP some mixups or win neutral (easier said then done for sure). Izanami just does ribcage after burst and is essentially guaranteed to get in after bursting while you can do nothing about it with the vast vast majority of the cast. You know she's busted when top level Izanami players allow themselves to go into danger state instead of cancelling ribcage because they know you aren't going to be able to hit them during danger state anyway.

[@danede3635]

one of my favorite characters to play Yamcha and thats because he's simple i don't want to deal with several different specials all i need is wolf fang fist

[@DaddysFlipside]

I was so mad when they nerfed WFF EX for a second time. Dropped the game and never looked back lol.

[@danede3635]

@@DaddysFlipside what did they nerf about it

[@DaddysFlipside]

@@danede3635 They nerfed its recovery. Before you could punish it by jumping or a well timed SD but you had to be looking for it, after the nerf it became very easily punishable on whiff. Also I actually meant WFF Flash whoops

[@kenshin2820]

Johnny went from the most fun to the most cracked to actually honest in the span of three games. I think a combination of making coins more advantageous, making lvl3 MF much more potent than its’ XX iterations and combine killer joker divine blade and ensega into zwei to name a few made Johnny much more dangerous in pressure and combos Also, Izanami is mad fun despite the heat. One of the few top tiers where you need to pilot her well. Knowledge checking w/ ribcage can only get do far

[@Sheenulus]

I strongly agree that making Zweihänder as a move was absolutely a big reason as to why Johnny was so good. He has the mobility of Killer Joker, the extremely favorable hitbox of Divine Blade, and the “high execution” knockdown condition of Ensengna (Enkasu). And then Strive came and he’s actually balanced, which is funny, but I might honestly prefer (I miss coins tho).

[@kenshin2820]

@@Sheenulus one could argue that the movement of zwei was his old divine blade’s in reload but combine both divine blade anti anti air and ensenga 1 hit hkd on top of YRC made his options really strong Also, i think I’d prefer coins too. Im fine with cards replacing bacchus. His combos are so much more tame in comparison to the crazy air combos

[@mikemac-man3796]

HA, TATATA! HUYAH! POWER POLE! here goes! HURRRAAGH!

[@rena8904]

holy shit, i never thought i'd hear about aria again! i didn't even know KI was still getting balance patches! fighting games are so sick

[@rasmusmalmberg6468]

I literally came to watch KZbin videos because Kogasa was beating my ass in the UFO extra stage and I got too frustrated to keep going. Only to be jumpscared by her theme in the Roa section. I know her thing is surprising people but this is just cruel.

[@enclavehere4705]

i think the funniest part of Johnny not being great in strive is the fact that it isn't like his buttons or pressure are bad, those are both pretty great, he just can't dash block, which is a much more important part of neutral in strive than it was in xrd.

[@d4storm294]

Honey, come quick, new MrMixtape video just dropped

[@welldonesteak_with_water]

can't believe you didn't mention izanami having cracked mobility (the best backdash in the game, really high superjump, can airdash>float>airdash again) so she can actually twerk on lots of characters by just jumping and shooting bits. or her normals (6A anti air that hits all around, low profile 2B that moves forward) being so good. OR that using EA basically gives her a plus on block reversal super, even if it's expensive. that character just does not give a fuck

[@lennyface5314]

40:26 ...while her what is out?!

[@koiyune]

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[@kyrie6910]

MrMixtape, you probably won't see this, but if you want some more top/bottom tiers to talk about, I'd be more than willing to show you around Lethal League Blaze.

[@AudreyII970]

B Jenet can backdash cancel like Slayer?? BDC glide kick looks so gross, I wanna try her out now lmao. Cool vid!

[@thomased22legoyodagaming]

Breaks in Garou also unlock new combo routs on hit. Some characters get more use out of it more than others.

[@crankbait1]

GT’s spirt bomb also teleported the little rat out of all pressure and had low enough end lag to get out of the corner for just -3 bars

[@ZachStarAttack]

loved ur zato coverage! nic3 to see dis

[@Johnyakuza572]

Unrelated I saw the anarchy reigns thing and got very excited cause you know ball

[@youkirosewarne1516]

Not to mention that GT Goku was the only character post season 1 patch that still had the unscaled double super damage when using spirit bomb into level 1 that character like bardock ssj goku got nerfed for their double level 1 supers

[@markblkwth]

Mixtape talking about BlazBlue? Holy shit! Edit: BB has some very crazy and creative characters in general, would it be possible to see some more videos on it in the future?

[@gearbloody]

id love to hear you talk about happy chaos especially from his past season where he was basically uncontested as the best

[@CursedShinobiClown]

I’m convinced Jenet was the inspiration for Ino and Ruby Heart

[@samproctor6826]

Love these videos, keep up the good work!

[@Eddie_Enfer]

I thought in Garou business, Kevin was our guy

[@saltandvichips]

My main gripe with GT goku wasn't even mentioned here. He invalidates big characters in a game where ZBroly was already struggling. His stature lets him low profile so many normals and makes characters like Nappa significantly harder to combo with.

[@someaccount5200]

You should have put Carl Clover here. He has everything and actually is a contender for Top 1. I personally think he's tied with Izanami due to them having an actually even matchup

[@someaccount5200]

Not to mention that he's THE puppet character. Not just any puppet character

[@koiyune]

10:53 i heard "big potato" thanks

[@shishioh]

Ray: One of the very few characters in the game with an air grab. And he can air grab Karnov out of balloon.

[@cobaltghost34]

If Johnny could dash block in strive he would be top tier he is in fact NOT whack

[@thirty9buried]

just a suggestion, but have you ever considered replacing some of the background footage with some tournament footage from the games, like when youre discussing the top players/character representatives? either way great video 👍

[@Geferulf_TAS]

Aria was so much fun to play. I still THINK RAMM was the most broken though with his command grab vortex

[@Niko-bz3df]

Talking about newer fighting games getting consistent patches, while Ultimate stays the way it is forever... new video with Steve included incoming?

[@Flow764]

Absolute husband (of May)

[@Samcheese22]

I feel like tournament or combo footage would be great for these style of videos

[@brupts7297]

fr, All these noob footages of dropped comboes and failed inputs and tutorial blockstrings are really grating sometimes 😂

[@kingofthemoon3063]

What I understand from what people have said about Johnny is that while he is busted, he is also extraordinarily hard to actually play due to extremely demanding execution.

[@TestTestTestTestEst]

Nothing in KI was as absurd as prime Spinal, when he'd lock people out of every single meter at once by draining it all, removing their ability to use any defensive mechaniocs at all, while also bouning multiple projectiles from multiple directions at the same time. Which is impressive given how garbage KI balance was in general

[@Skuttie]

Watching MooMaster play Ray is always a treat

[@LoreSernikowe]

I wish you showed some footage from pros... would show better how strong the characters are

[@shackhouse8223]

Short vid on Ivan Ooze please

[@Kain_R_Heinlein]

A short video of the general from Kaiser knuckle then haha

[@InfernoTune727]

btw you forgot another thing you can do with johnny that is completely bonkers. if you SOMEHOW like an ABSOLUTE GOD, manage to do a treasure hunt in the middle of mist finer dash, treasure hunt won't JUST give you two coins, it will also LAUNCH THE OPONENT TO THE UPPER LIMIT OF THE STAGE.

[@jcplays5831]

If I had a nickel for every time there was a character in a fighting game with the last name “McDoogal” I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice

[@doveingly]

babe new mr mixtape dropped!

[@co7897]

B Jenet and NOT KEVIN RIAN?!

[@Kain_R_Heinlein]

My guy hasn't seen enough of that game I think he mentioned he was fairly new to it hehe

[@kaiji4419]

He said it himself, he was just learning 'bout the Game, he didn't even mentioned that the divekick is broken itself

[@KaedeLanyo]

Ray looks like a later SNK character time-displaced into SF2. What the hell.

[@KnightLineArtYT]

Triad Thunder is a pretty cool weapon, more characters should have moves like it. If you do another part, I heard that Noob-Smoke were pretty cracked in MK Deception, there's also Jin/Steve in Tekken 4 or Kabal in a few MK games.

[@kenoglover5508]

Hi! I loved the video and I'd love to see more. Do you plan on making a sequel and possibly covering 3D fighting games such as Tekken, DOA, and soul Calibur?

[@fz7788]

Top tiers i like as a tekken player, T5 heihachi T3 jin T4 jin TT2 mishimas T7 jin Most interesting one for me is T7 leroy top tier T8 leroy bottom tier Also bryan in general is a very interesting top tier, steve as well

[@strikermodel]

I love the word Stancels

[@hikarihakai1285]

Didn't expect to see Roa tbh In the game he is the best for being better than everyone tbh while there fullmoon Archetype Earth which is the best for playing a different game entirely

[@sakarain]

Aria from KI seems like another example of an insane character design like Zappa from GGXX Still very different and interesting tho

[@sakarain]

I dont know too much about killer instinct but one time I somehow found myself in a situation to play this KI against my barber

[@C--vp3vk]

am i ready to be topped? always (glad youre feeling a bit better ^_^)

[@kaiji4419]

Kevin god tier, Freeman bottom tier

[@Linkcrossing]

i play with Kurodyne in fortnite and hes so carried in that too

[@luckyluigi9828]

Goated video. By the way, what's the intro music?

[@NopeNoJoke]

26:07 is that uncle joel

[@sorrydudebros]

I wish you featured Jojo HftF again in this video. More people need to know how good Khan is

[@zebio]

I always prefer playing characters that are more weaker. Though a character that doesn't rely entirely upon one move also tends to be a preference.

[@NOPortal]

Goated vid as usual homie 🔥🔥🔥

[@dante_dmc3]

As a bot tier player i love when i can beat ppl who use overpowered characters cuz i know they rage hard (Faust my boy)

[@feelingrizzly1515]

I'm happy to hear that there is a top tier that shares my unserious last name.

[@yugimumoto1]

C roa is why I don't play melty. not because I don't want to fight him but because i will absolutely play him.

[@meatmaster665]

i remember getting bullied by goku black, ui, and bardock

[@Kammithekiller]

oh man I miss killer instinct and doing weekly tournies... Imo Rash is just THE MOST. i hate dealing with him smh

[@azuretriedge3]

Glad to see a Dokkan fan

[@ir6734]

Labcoat 21 seriously needs to be studied because I have never lost interest in a game so fucking much like when she got released

[@Bulbasaur1256]

Someone talking about GAROU Mark of the Wolves

[@devoncampbell3607]

Zero/Doom/Virgil

[@gabulzabulvods]

I just play characters that i like. Android 16 my beloved

[@fakemetalbucket]

for a moment i thought he was talking about strive johnny and i was legit aboutta say aint no way bro is calling a character that can't dashblock a broken top tier lmaooo

[@Steiner0418]

0:16 why was Hsien-Ko tweaking so bad 😭

[@TesseoTime]

Sasquatch’s command grab makes her slip on the ice. Think of it like an old cartoon.

[@Steiner0418]

@@TesseoTimeI know, it just looks really silly

[@ramiabdalla2661]

these videos are so entertaining. thanks.

[@GetInVan]

I don’t know which iteration and what tier he’d be in, but I need a Faust video/segment 🙏

[@GetInVan]

Or a Ginyu video since you talked about dbfz here

[@farout_tech]

Faust arguably was near the top of any tier list in Guilty Gear until Strive happened, where at launch he was effectively one of the worst, if not the worst.

[@GetInVan]

@@farout_tech Yeah I haven’t played ggst in a while but that’s what I remember from being a Faust main, and I heard really good things about him in rev 2

[@farout_tech]

@@GetInVan Yeah, in Rev2 Faust was top tier, somewhere right below the likes of Johnny and Elphelt. Nage is a prominent Faust player (still plays Faust in Strive), and he won plenty of stuff during the Rev2 era, including EVO Japan 2018. The grand finals were him versus Omito (Johnny) lol. In +R Faust was very good too, but just shy of the top dog slots due to characters like Zappa, Testament and Baiken. Even in the first Guilty Gear (the PS1 game), Faust boasts some ridicilous normals that he can get infinites out of (I know it's a game full of infinites, but still, Faust can hit from ranges other characters can't). Generally the things that made Strive Faust worse were: - Item toss becoming almost twice as slow as his Rev2 counterpart (from 23 to 40 frames). To compensate, Strive faust is not "item locked" like he was before, meaning he can repeatedly spam items without having to wait for his existing item(s) to expire (ex: if Rev2 Faust threw meteors, he would have to wait for the meteors to come down before he can throw another item). However, item toss being slower means it's still a more committal option, and so cancelling into it from his pokes like f.S and 2H isn't as safe, and can get Strive Faust punished if opponen is looking out for it. - Removal of his "pogo" move and stance. This was a very good way for Faust to extend his combos in both corner and midscreen. - His j.2K isn't a war crime anymore. It was a lv4 move(!!!) in Rev2, making it really hard to contest if blocked, and leading to some really easy combo conversions if it counter hits. Like seriously, j.2K to j.2K to j.2K can be a legitimate blockstring! - He also lost his ability to cancel the startup of his j.2K with faultless defense (this technique being known as a drill cancel). When done right, this makes Faust stall in the air for a moment, letting him vary up his landing timing and keep opponent guessing. While this wasn't an integral thing to make him work, it did give him access to really fast overheads if performed right. - His 5D had some 10 frames of strike invincibility in its startup, making it a reversal you can pull out in some situations lol. The one thing Strive Faust has over his previous incarnations is that the scarecrow teleport PRC is notably more usable in his mixup game now. Previously you'd rarely use it, and instead spend your meter elsewhere. Those, and maybe some minute changes to his frame data (2P isn't +1 on block anymore...) just made the poor doctor fall hard. He's been getting some help in Strive throughout the patches, so he's in a better place now, but still a shadow of his former top tier self.

[@JonRinzRaccotterz]

11:40 Really? Ragna and jin are shotos and BOTH possess basic lunging normals (and the NIssan Ice Car probably has its own hate video)

[@KeshavKrishnan]

At the time, it was true tho. Karnovs is a lot older than bb. It came out a bit after ST released. His comparison was Ryu, CT didn't drop until 08, 14 years later