Why Zoro Is The Most Underrated Haki User In One Piece

[@MrMorj]

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[@Coolgamer..]

Zoro is one of the best haki users in the current era of One Piece. He has advanced conqueror haki, after all.🔋

[@toweltowel4969]

@@Coolgamer..😊😊😊😊😊😊😅😊

[@aimlessZORO]

do asura on command is like doing acoc on command tho and zoro used it pretime skip twice on command which if it is acoc then he used acoc on command

[@wisdommanari6701]

Hey boss I accidentally deleted some comments that I didn't mean to I mean to can you restore em

[@socioexecutor1800]

Asura is not an advanced conquerors coating attack my guy It's just basic CoC and if you think otherwise then Zoro unlocked ADVANCED conquerors in his fight against Kaku back in Enies Lobby 😂.

[@ryuga8559]

If Zoro ends up getting advanced observation haki, perhaps in the fight against Shiryu, he might have the most haki related abilties out of everyone by the end of the series Black blades Armament hardening Ryuo Advanced armament Conquers haki Conquers coating/acoc Asura aka haki susanno Hellflame Potential advanced observation?

[@SaintOfHeaven-by4yl]

I expect him to get future sight canceling like Shanks has to fight against Mihawk since this might be the reason why Shanks developed it

[@gvgr25]

So, Hakiman Zoro 😏

[@Varia680]

The greatest hakiman > the greatest swordsman

[@Problemsolver434]

How exactly can you write ryo and then write armament and advanced armament as if they are different things

[@Bxbbonx]

@@Problemsolver434I’m pretty sure they are.

[@Koyu_Ruh]

I highly believe a key moment people forget about Zoro is right after he lost against Mihawk for the first time. He swore to Luffy, that he will never ever lose a single battle again. His haki started to bloom every time he was pushed to his limit after that. Since Haki is determined by willpower, I think that his will to not break the vow he made to his captain is what pushes him forwards. I do believe that this is a key factor nobody mentions, but this was when he started to become stronger in the face of failure, just out of the determination to be true to his word.

[@jogendrajoshi7327]

Yes

[@23rdofjanuary]

Nice point

[@jordende]

I agree this point is huge!!!

[@Roronoa-zoro0406]

fr

[@JP-zb3yb]

Chapter 1010 Luffy and Zoro had inverse problems to overcome with conquerors. Luffy had conquerors and needed to learn it could be applied to attacks. Zoro was applying it to attacks and needed to learn he had conquerors in order to intentionally aim to draw it out. Cool stuff

[@powerscallingfiend]

Luffy is on kaido list lvl

[@royalfun1031]

Wut Sanji gonna do

[@suryanshbiswas]

​@@royalfun1031bark for stussy

[@lukerne9260]

No that's not it. Zoro wasn't applying it to his attacks because he never used conquerors before in his life before fighting Kaido. Ashura isn't a form of advanced conquerors haki, it's just a technique.

[@JP-zb3yb]

@lukerne9260 i didnt say anything about ashura. Seems like you assumed. Kaido got cut, he identifies it as conquerors haki. It was applied to an attack. It was advanced conquerors. Simple as that. Thats one of the very subjects of this video. If you want to deny the attack tjat scarred kaido didnt use advanced conquerors and zoro used it unknowingly, I dont know what to tell you. Its right there in the manga. Doesnt really matter of ashura itself is fully advanced conquerors or if he applied advanced conquerors to ashura there.

[@GemayelDaniel]

During zoro's fight with Mr.1 in chapter 195, when zoro goes into a zen like state, he says "i've had this feeling before", i think he is referring to his fight with Hachi when he breaks all his swords in chapter 85

[@Kyoshi23]

After king of lightning saw this video, he got so mad that he destroyed his phone🤣

[@matejlaskomulej]

He a Sanji fanboy / Zoro hater? Can you link to source?

[@charlesredd9619]

Bro I know king having fits😂

[@Dr.Ham_longsword]

@@matejlaskomulej go watch any video ever. hell go watch all his egghead content and come back dumbfounded and the leaps and bounds he goes to xD

[@cwoherem]

I'd pay money to see that!!!😂😂😂

[@blackfox4526]

Zoro will eventually become soo badass he's destined to be the world's greatest swordsman and also He's #2 vice captain of the straw hats he's going to show some really epic scenes in the future.

[@morgandfreeman4488]

Take a shot every time Morj says "conqueror's haki" to become more drunk than Kaido

[@AceCreationsAz]

im dying

[@breal84]

I have alcohol poisoning now thanks! 😅

[@kylbarry4466]

Zoro is my fav character of all anime and this video made me her happy thank you morj

[@kinggilgamesh013]

Zoro has always had the role of showing us the true potential of the humans without df powers. He will be as strong as Roger or Garp by the end thats just what he is meant to represent.

[@PirateKing7171]

he will be way stronger than them. He will be the strongest swordsman in history

[@laraison6020]

​@@PirateKing7171 "Having the strongest swordsman is the bare minimum in the pirate king crew". "Your dream is way harder than surpassing me." It's pretty much admitted in the One piece world that the pirate king title is way higher than the WSS powerwise. I'm not sure that Zoro will reach Roger's level honestly, it's possible but Mihawk won't be his final fight then since he's considered below Roger in the verse...

[@PirateKing7171]

@@laraison6020 LMAO nice translation pulled straight outta your ass 💀 Here I'll correct you: "World's strongest swordsman? The Pirate King would need no less than that" "Your dream is even more perilous" I'll open the dictionary for you: "perilous - dangerous, includes risk" Also I love the part where you were reading Luffy piece. I'll add some lines from the actual manga, One Piece: "Someday one of us will become the greatest swordsman the world has ever known" "I'll become so strong that my name reaches up to the heavens" "Sorry but the Straw Hats arent only Straw Hat Luffy and God Usopp, Im the one who's destined to become the world's strongest swordsman one day" Statements, feats, theories or even headcannons, Im all here for it, I'll debunk you anytime.

[@Roronoa-zoro0406]

@@PirateKing7171 😂😂Thanks you said it

[@TheRanOfGod]

I fear for my Goat Mihawk who only relies on sword skillz to go up against this haki monster 😭

[@saeedalidoust4625]

🤣

[@BamBammBeatz]

To be fair we neva seen em go all out at all most likely he has a wild Arsenal of skills and uses HAKI as well relying is a stretch

[@samson1863]

I don’t acknowledge Zoro as the strongest swordsman if he even uses an ounce of haki against Mihawk. He better rely on nothing else other than true swordsmanship or the title stays with Mihawk

[@whole_wheat_soup9321]

​@@samson1863chooses to forget that haki is a huge part of swordsmanship. Without haki, a pre ts zoro is like the strongest a swordsman can get

[@worldbosspf1]

Mihawk literally has the best haki feat in the series.

[@Ryzen776]

I think swordsmanship mastery is just intrinsically linked with haki. Without haki, swordsmen would hit a roof in power way faster than other character like DFF user. But the will to cut anything or be one with the blade root the core of being swordsman in haki mastery.

[@BAlex2209]

Yes 💯. One must understand,in the world of One Piece, Haki is literally the manifestation of Will power. Zoro, as a character,is literally Loyalty for his Captain and Willpower. It takes a a huge amount of willpower, to basically to put his own pride and ambition on hold,to bend his knees to Mihawk ( his goal/greatest foe) for the sake of his Captain.

[@PER578]

Ok, so if zoro gets one exclusive technique like ashura why don't other characters get it?

[@roronoa_d_krishna]

@@PER578 you mean, other characters like shanks?, then why not other characters like mihawk could get it? y'all shanks suckers are so annoying lmao

[@koolkid533]

Without haki, every character hits a roof.

[@memes12309]

​@@PER578isn't shanks the only guy in op to have the ability to cancel observation haki and dosent mihawk show pepole the future

[@dex7891]

Zoro is a haki genius. The only character to truly have a haki susanoo. The future haki man of One Piece.

[@jasonmatthews52]

I hope Zoro remembers to turn his haki off and only use "skills" when fighting Mihawk 😂

[@JollyOldCanuck]

Mihawk has a black blade, he probably has haki as well.

[@bazejleszczynski6678]

bruh cmon last time we saw zoro fighting mihawk was pre grandline

[@YK-rs8pm]

Na mihawk gon be alright

[@PirateKingGoofy]

Asura is an example of what peak conquerors Haki looks like. Willing your imagination into reality, just like a devil fruit ability.

[@23rdofjanuary]

Unironically this

[@PirateKingGoofy]

@@23rdofjanuary I wonder what Shanks, Roger and Garps peak conquerors abilities looked like? Apparently Shanks has a flaming sword according to Oda in the film red data book but what else. I think everyone’s you unique conquerors abilities look very different.

[@kevinsono]

So you think Zoro had conquer haki way back during enies lobby when he uses ashura against kaku?

[@PirateKing7171]

​@@kevinsonocould possibly be a glimpse of it. Doesnt mean a normal attack of his rn is weaker than his asura of enies lobby. Like it was stated in the latest magazine, his attack against King is stronger than his Asura against Kaido, cuz of adv conq coating and control over it

[@nodjr1595]

I had also thought of that since vegapunk specifically said that devil fruits were the will of powerful haki users. It makes sense that if one becomes strong enough in haki they can "create" devil fruit powers without the downside of not being able to swim.

[@diegotorres1500]

they started downplaying acoc only after zoro got it btw

[@J420-x6p]

What brain dead is downplaying acoc?😂 it’s literally the strongest way someone can attack in the verse as of now😭

[@Queiroz23564]

​@@J420-x6p not true, there is way more powerfull way to attack someone but yeah acoc is really strong

[@estebanbr7596]

zoro is fodder so acoc plus fodder is still fodder

[@lostswordsman3168]

@@Queiroz23564like what exactly?..

[@Queiroz23564]

@@lostswordsman3168 dfs and supreme grade blades >> acoc by miles

[@Marsolenun]

Zoro got lost, Learnt Haki, Came back, Used it and didn't even realise. 🗿

[@quintonspencer1170]

They gonna say you’re wrong because it’s Zoro. Great video.

[@bmoney3837]

yep because it upscales mihawk

[@parmar__12]

​@@bmoney3837naj sanjitards

[@CJ_inaBox]

I think just like how Enma helped Zoro with advanced conqueror's haki, the Wado probably had a hand in his fast growth, being the straight line through the path of harmony and everything

[@Anmar36a]

In addition to what you said about Ashura, Kaku and Zoro talk about his "demonic spirit" during the fight, further suggesting that it's his "conqueror's spirit" manifesting, which has the form of a demon because Zoro is the most badass character in the show.

[@culturedvulture2015]

This was absolutely on my mind as well. It was just a passing thought tho. Its crazy to think how Zoro knew haki pretimeskip.

[@user-wu7wu7pq9f]

He didn't "know" Haki in the sense that he understood what he was doing, he just indirectly applied it.

[@lukerne9260]

He didn't really use haki pre timeskip, Oda just retconned it later on. He has done stuff like this many times.

[@cwoherem]

​@@lukerne9260how can you be that certain that it was retconned?

[@lukerne9260]

@@cwoherem because you can clearly spot many differences between the moments fans believe "haki" was first being shown but not explained and how it became later on when Oda solidified the concept

[@mzako7448]

Why the Wano analysis is the most underrated video in Morj's schedule

[@yoyochan6668]

I'm pretty sure Asura is a higher stage of conqueror's haki being foreshadowed

[@jakerobert5374]

Zoro is the only character so far that can manifiest his conquerors haki into a spirit / form

[@davidwilson6577]

Luffy found the real Mr.3 on Little Garden with observation. Or 'a hunch' as he said. It was clearly supposed to be Luffy demonstrating a supernatural person sense.

[@GuysCupank]

Differentiating objects from a very talkative person need no Haki 😂

[@davidwilson6577]

@@GuysCupank yes, but silly cartoon logic and presentation means mystical ability that in hindsight was a very early formulation of the concept that became haki.

[@lilbillreacts7800]

@@davidwilson6577 what? bro u were so close til u said “was a very early formulation of the concept that became haki” this is ultra weird thing to say, anyone who doesn’t know one piece like that would think u know what ur talking about but in reality u don’t. haki was introduced literally within the first 10 minutes of episode one so how would subconscious observation haki usage over 100+ chapters into the story be the formulation of the concept that became haki? goofy behavior 🤦🏿‍♂️ concept? formulation? gtfoh🤣 u can’t make this shit up

[@davidwilson6577]

@@lilbillreacts7800 haki as a term wasn't introduced until Jaya. Shanks' intimidation was the first example of non-Devil Fruit magic, but the system itself wasn't properly established until after Marineford.

[@geogeo3733]

Zoro is 2 years older than Luffy so it kinda makes sense why he bloomed his haki first

[@dariuswilliams7509]

Descendent of the Sword god

[@snowboundwhale6860]

Something I think further supports this/ that Zoro first tapped into armament in the Mr 1 fight is it's only after Alabaster that we see Zoro using projectile/ remote slashes in his "(xxx) pound phoenix" attacks, a new technique which is introduced in the Skypeia arc that immediately follows Alabaster. To me that feels like another case of Zoro subconsciously tapping into some form of haki (presumably armament) to use with a specific sword technique, similar to shishi sonson being his only reliable steel-cutting attack for a while; that he can't use haki freely at that point but he can learn to use specific haki infused techniques. Afaik the only other cases of swordsman who can cut things remotely like that (without using a devil fruit power to do it) are all confirmed haki users, Mihawk being the first and foremost example whose haki and swordsmanship are great enough that he's introduced using these sorts of projectile slashes on a massive scale casually as regular unnamed attacks.

[@DioDiablo702]

This is a very sharp observation

[@LiOzzie]

Was Zoro the true Haki-Man all along?

[@saidbachlil2612]

Wait for magazine v 18 you will know the answer

[@JusDion]

FINNALLY TALK THAT ISH MORJ!!!!!!

[@lilbillreacts7800]

8:53 kaido was a genuine menace 😂 bro put his everything into a killing strike and kaido gonn say “ ouu that’s gonna leave a scar kid here’s 5berries go buy some icecream while i scream”

[@wearemusichq1417]

Still did more than everyone on that roof, excluding his captain

[@powerscallingfiend]

​@@wearemusichq1417no Yamato did more than him ,u reading two piece

[@wearemusichq1417]

@@powerscallingfiend I would say Yamato has better feats but didn't do more reason why I said that was cause she wasn't involved with the big mom fight zoro was there from the beginning till luffy finally started gg 1v1 against kaido, Yamato came and hold back kaido (witch is very impressive )and that's it after luffy came she left , zoro saved luffy many times ,momentarily stop a combine attack from both yonkos, help separate big mom and kaido, scar kaido yes Yamato fought kaido 1 v1 and held him back but I wouldn't say she did more

[@lilbillreacts7800]

@@powerscallingfiend no he’s right yamato fought kaido way longer than zoro but in that small time frame zoro fought kaido he not only did the most damage (luffy not included) yamato couldn’t hurt kaido all her attacks were shallow and when she charged a coc haki attack strong enough to hurt kaido the mf obliterated her second go around is when luffy peeped and send king cobra to assist yamato for the joint attack

[@powerscallingfiend]

​@@wearemusichq1417Quality over quantity .She literally fought hybrid kaido for while and he was trying kill Yamato. Zoro holding yonko combined attack and giving kaido a superficial wound isn't impressive.

[@comradecatbug5289]

Just because Zoro used acoc in conjunction with Ashura doesn't mean that Ashura itself is conqueror's haki... It might not even be physical, even if Zoro leaves more cuts when using it. Shōnen often is very liberal when it comes to abiding by the laws of physics. Toriko can punch multiple times in one motion to make his opponent feel the impacts consecutively. It makes no sense in real life, but it's a shōnen. Similarly, Ashura might be just an intimidating "aura" around Zoro, with him being so relentless that the opponent perceives him as if he had triple the blades.

[@jessedv5915]

Zoro stream then Zoro video??? we are eating good 😍

[@izuoh2704]

Issues pop up with this idea that Zoro uses Haki to cut Mr1. Zoro isn't cutting steel then, he's cutting a man since his Haki would ignore the df. Which then becomes an issue in how he doesn't just hurt Enel with his slashes. Yamato vs Kaido was just a blitz impact, it's not Conq infusion + Acoa. Yamato lands only direct blows. idk why people call it AdvConq when the ability to infuse Conq into your blows is stated as only something strong Conq users can do. Unless you mean ACoA is actually being stated required to infuse ones punches with Conq. That's wrong. ACoA is too shallow cuz both Luffy & the scabbards aren't skilled/strong enough, Luffy just learned the skill & there's been others that have done incredible feats. Afterwards Luffy's Conq replaces the output of his ACoA & push it much farther than he could before. Zoro having asura that he can fully control yet has issues with a similar use of it makes no sense then. Asura doesn't have to be anything, the attack could've just been infused with Conq. There's many skills in One Piece. There's an issue here too where Zoro's had this ability the whole time. Zoro has experienced Conq before yet there's nothing about it that he felt was familiar to asura.

[@nightblader1]

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[@IsaacClodfelter]

Just because the asrua Zoro used on the roof was imbued with conquerors haki doesn't mean it is formed with conquer's haki. For an example in enis lobby asrua could absolutely just be armament haki and during roof piece he subconsciously imbued Asura (an application of armament haki) with conquer's haki. To reiterate, Asura does not require Zoro to know conquer's haki to use.

[@Lan96]

I love me a good Zoro glaze

[@MomoDuality]

15:50 It's basically that Zoro only had his swordplay. He needed haki blooms to get stronger and compete Luffy had his devil fruit and gears so he was never in enough danger/pinch that haki blooms were required

[@aqualucasYT]

Morj said Haki 120 times this video

[@PKRockin7]

Prove it

[@MonkeDLoopy]

Well it is the subject of the video, also I require and exact count 😜 Good luck! 😁

[@michelevianello1683]

Such a "SHALLOW" comment ;)

[@StrayCatAnimations]

I find it funny that, post-enies lobby, Kaku who was hit by advanced conquerers haki, was up and able to go and get funds for Lucci to recover from Gear 2 and 3 attacks.

[@Tom.A.C]

This was a dope and interesting video. I also don't understand how anyone could deny Zoro having ACoC after scarring Kaido it was dang near spelled out. I will say when it comes to haki bloom moments Zoro definitely experienced those moments before the other Strawhats. However you also have to take in consideration that Zoro is older then luffy by 2 years. So Zoro displayed his haki blooms pre-timeskip at 19. Which is also the same age Luffy is now showing mastery of. So technically luffy is growing and blooming faster. On top of that luffy also showed coc moments at age 17 during the pre-timeskip at Amazon lily, Marineford, and Sabody. When it comes to being at deaths doors and having haki bloom moments pre-timeskip luffy had several moments such as his fight again Lucci, Moria, and Crocodile. Where luffy was pushed beyond his limits and at times was defeated. I can understand why he didn't give luffy and haki bloom moments at those times and that was due to match ups and just needing more power or luck. Zoro also has other encounters where he is at death doors and didn't recieve haki blooms. 1. Fighting Mihawk 2. Fighting Kuma 3. Enel 4. Doesn't really count but his first encounter with Kizaru. So, in my opinion luffy is a faster learner with a much higher ceiling and less years of experience. With less teaching moments. I don't know how many people forget that Zoro was raised in a dojo for years. He has so much more combat experience than any strawhat member. Besides brook and Jimbei who were pirates longer. I'm not counting Robin's pirating years.

[@j3nki541]

1. Mihawk is where he made the vow to never lose again. Someone in the comments cleverly pointed out that this vow is how he gets his haki blooms later on. 2. He didn't fight Kuma and the time they did fight he was just blasted away. 3. He didn't fight Enel. 4. He didn't really fight Kizaru. Some of those were encounters, but not real duels. For the duels Morj is right.

[@Tom.A.C]

I know those weren't really fights especially the kizaru one which is why I stated it shouldn't count. But in the manga and anime zoro literally came at Enel and Kuma in a one vs one where they clashed but doesn't remove the fact that it was a 1v1. Matter of fact Enel actually beat zoro twice in the 1v1. Just because it's not stated in the anime episode or chapter doesn't mean two guys going at doing named attacks isn't fight. I just wanted to point it out.

[@Shark-hn4mv]

This isn't a fair analysis whatsoever. Luffy was in far most intense battles than Zoro with more to protect. He had leagues more opportunities for a Haki bloom. Idk why you brought up Zoro vs Enel. Even Luffy didn't unlock Haki fighting ANY logia pre-timeskip. And the age is irrelevant because none of them would've been experiencing these blooms had they not been on this specific journey. Neither Zoro nor Luffy would've unlocked Haki if they didn't start the Strawhat journey. It's not about age. It's about timing. Throw in a 17 year old Zoro, give him similar match-ups, and he'd have also been far ahead of 19 year old Zoro in Haki by the time he reached that age. And finally, the dojo is COMPLETELY irrelevant. It was a training ground. Not a battle for life and death. Zoro even left the dojo because he realized at some point it became redundant. There's absolutely no battle experience in the dojo, just training. Luffy, on the other hand, was risking his life constantly in the forest he grew up in. Zoro was all cozied up in his hometown until he desired to hunt fodders in the east blue, with no opportunities for growth until Luffy arrived. Then they both started getting chances to actually grow. Zoro wasted time for years thinking he was already top dog. He didn't even know how far from the top he was. That's why Mihawk had to humble him and tell him to leave the pond. That's the entire point of that meeting. If Luffy waited till 19 to set sail, he would've been NOWHERE close to pre-timeskip Luffy whatsoever. No inspiration for gears. No Haki blooms. No nothing.

[@Tom.A.C]

Hey l, I agree with you that luffy has had more moments to have haki blooms. Also I was mentioning the age to discuss growth rate in haki, which I believe luffy has the fastest. Furthermore I said combat experience which zoro has more of because he was training in a dojo, while luffy was sent in the forest at a young he wasn't in there for years. Also zoro trained in a dojo with origins from wano country and his master has been instilling haki lessons from him since he was child which is evident when he gets his first haki bloom and gets a flash back. Luffy never had any haki flash back moments until post 2 year training from Rayleigh. I think luffy didn't get haki blooms because Oda didn't care to give it to him at that time and wanted to expand more on his df. Which is why preskip is all about his fruit and now posy is all about him learning haki. Lastly, I definitely believe Luffy would have learned haki by the age of 19 because he still would have set sail around 17 or 16 like he said he would similar to Ace. Lastly the journey is the straw hats but the strawhat is luffy who kicked it off. Luffy has a journey with or without his current crew since he's the main character. Whether or not everyone would have progressed is up in the air, because luffy kicked started everything.

[@justaway6901]

Bruh his Advanced Oppressor's Haki when he saw King's true appearance is so OP

[@joshuaoshiafi7951]

idk why people are so mad that zoro did it first. Zoro didn’t even realize what he was doing or that he had Acoq.

[@Queiroz23564]

he didn't do it first, ashura dont have conq coat

[@parmar__12]

​@@Queiroz23564😂

[@Queiroz23564]

@@parmar__12 did i lie? there is black lightning on ashura?

[@parmar__12]

@@Queiroz23564 even for armament there's black lightning Now don't say its not even armament

[@Queiroz23564]

@@parmar__12 yes but armament haki black lightning is linear while acoc is in form of Z, but that dont matter cuz none of them are on ashura

[@leannestewart7215]

Asura makes a illusion and give him a buff of around 3 times because the cubicle giraffe thought that it was like fighting three Zoros. Edit: the extra slashes might be the sondie cetesou or in other words it is its advance Concours haki.

[@erikwsze23ssagenmzzan92]

Zoro and underrated don't go together.

[@obmis_arraid21]

I was baffled when i saw the title lol, nowadays he's almost overrated 😅 and the glazing of him is on a all-time high rn.

[@Juswub80]

Yes they do. Cats have been saying Law and Kidd’s bum asses are above Zoro. Keep in mind neither one has any advanced types of haki.

[@faded1586]

He definitely is , all his feats are undermined

[@a7b812]

Just because he's popular doesn't mean he's not underrated in certain things

[@juanertizer]

Its almost like there are different people with different opinions

[@williamdew1961]

I’m caught up in the manga and just now understood exactly what advanced conquerors haki is. Thanks for the explanation!

[@kingkelz215]

Zoro may have been the proving grounds for many abilities that were fleshed out later on. If One Piece was originally supposed to end much sooner, some of the things Zoro did earlier on may have been the only time we saw them, had the story not continued. It just so happens that it's now canon that it Zoro did some of these kinds of things before almost anyone else.

[@nameonelast598]

Cant wait for Wit Studio to animate Ashura for the first time

[@stefan_green]

A lot of ppl are not even going to watch the video and automatically dismiss the premise that Zoro is underrated. This is mainly because downplaying Zoro has become so widespread and normal that it's not seen as downplay. No matter how many panels u show them. They want Zoro to be relative to Sanji and much weaker than Luffy so they will come up with whatever reasonings they can to justify it. If we want Luffy to become PK Zoro needs to be as strong as possible so downplaying him only hurts Luffy and the SHs as a crew.

[@Generalmituna8079]

Zoro is definitely much weaker than Luffy. The gap between them after Gear 5 is ridiculously large.

[@devrolo]

@@Generalmituna8079yeah Zoro-tards are just being defensive because their fav got clowned recently for taking too long to beat Lucci, someone Luffy clowned on in just a few panels. The argument that Zoro is even close to Luffy shouldn’t even be uttered aloud when Zoro had such a pitiful showing against Lucci. He had to have Jinbei come in and finish Lucci off. Absolutely disgraceful as the supposed number 2 of the crew.

[@Bxbbonx]

@@Generalmituna8079not with Luffy”s stamina issue. Without stamina issue it’s Luffy>>>>>zoro but with stamina issue it’s Luffy>>>zoro. But either way the gap is definitely going to start to close.

[@ErosSetAblaze]

Luffy negged Lucci while Zoro got stalled to the point Jimbei had to search for him. They are not relative at all currently.

[@a7b812]

​@@ErosSetAblaze Negged ? Lucci was fine after 3 named attack lmao

[@middleofthemappodcast5398]

I didn’t know I needed a Zoro mixtape until today 😂🔥

[@peacefulwarrior9518]

I'm unconvinced Zoro's first two uses of Asura had conquerors haki. I get the ""it did damage so its not an illusion" argument and I agree. But it doesn't prove he was infusing conquerors in the attack. In one piece there are plenty of unexplained powers that aren't haki or devil fruit related. Couldn't he have just combined that with conquerors for Kaido?

[@danj8038]

a lot of what ifs, give it up. the answer is literally in your face. he used advac coc.

[@john-olivierlukama1548]

That is definitely a possibility. But given how little we know of asura, all assumptions are just assumptions

[@peacefulwarrior9518]

@@john-olivierlukama1548 100% agreed

[@cwoherem]

@@danj8038 How exactly? They can still be considered assumptions until properly comfirmed.

[@SantoryuKauboi]

Agreed. All assumptions at this point. We may never know unless it is explicitly told to us later.

[@gammacancri]

Nusjuro’s kitetsu growing to his size when he’s in his hybrid form might be relevant in examining the way conquerors haki manifests physically. Not only does Zoro manifest arms, but duplicates his swords too. Makes you wonder just how deep the power of will goes in the story.

[@arcadejester8543]

I keep saying this, there is NO SUCH THING AS ADVANCED CONQUEROS HAKI. That term has never been stated in the manga. That is a made up fan term created by the community to try and simplify the haki power system. The correct term is CONQUERORS INFUSION!!!! it is litterally stated in the manga by Luffy himself that kaido is INFUSING his conquerors haki into his attacks. There isn’t a 2nd stronger stage or variant of the ability, it is simply using your basic conquerors haki, and putting it into your hands or weapon to fight with instead of just releasing a wave of it freely.

[@Rutabega_NG]

No objection to Zoro's haki story, you make excellent points. For Zoro. Luffy may not have awakened his armament haki, but I believe he did start using his observation haki, although he had no idea he was doing it. Little Garden: Mr. 3 had multiple wax statues of himself to try and confuse Luffy. He had no trouble finding the real person. Said it was "instinct." That looks like nascent observation haki to me.

[@jamesfoxsmith]

Same for luffy and zoro immediately referring to black beard as “they”

[@Problemsolver434]

I will honestly argue against the concept of Zoro being more talented than Luffy. When Luffy shoots out Haki or even makes a discovery on Haki, it is always on a tier far ahead of stuff Zoro can do. And this is just his raw haki without any boost from a specially crafted sword. In fact, Zoro's massive usage of Haki is still without being able to comprehend what's going on. Luffy on the other hand manages to figure those things out in the middle of battle, and properly understand them and apply them. Luffy mid battle, figures out a technique and starts splitting skies.

[@strykervirus1724]

Are you by any means suggesting Zoro gets haki boost by his swords??

[@royalfun1031]

Zoro a risk taker

[@nathanking2098]

There's been ongoing talk that bodily manifestation is a stage of conquerors haki. Sending it out to knock people out is basic, manifesting is a partial advancement, fully putting it into attacks is fully advanced. Essentially Luffy also has a knack for growing more arms to punch with and he's our other good example of haki blooms, manifesting body parts is emblematic of becoming greater than you already are which is in line with conq mindset, could also be like how zoro could use adv armament for a specific attack at pre ts you can't fully infuse attacks with conq until you know how to consiously use adv armament since Hyogaro said ryou flows out of you bc you arent wasting any and if you're wasting your haki you can't use adv conq, potentially. I just love how haki works and I'm excited to see everyone's develop in the future!

[@Generalmituna8079]

Morj only making this video because of the swordsman gauntlet stream is crazy.

[@adrianzamora1910]

Just a thought here but Ashura could be something like when we found out that Naruto and Sasuke were reincarnations of those two brothers, something that hasn't been explained but only teased by Oda. He's only used that ability on 1 vs 1 when no one else was watching unlike luffy where the gorosei knew he had the model Nika fruit. Up until now, only Kaido and Kaku have seen that ability... Edit: Maybe that's what Mihawk saw in Zoro when he faced him for the first time, a legendary swordsman who can manifest Ashura

[@Victhemighty]

he literally used it in front of all the shs in sabaody bro

[@mickiemallorie]

He doesn't have a devil fruit so has to rely on other abilities. Like Roger and Rayleigh or Mihawk or Shanks...point is, it's the only way they can keep up.

[@obmis_arraid21]

Don't forget that they also possess extraordinary swords, i know the sword doesn't make the swordsman but still...

[@ZaneBlalock]

@@obmis_arraid21 Just like Roger Mihawk Shanks WhiteBeard and Ryuma lol

[@lilbillreacts7800]

Nope, they got stronger and came across their swords during their journeys not a single one of them started their journeys with their powerful swords whethers its roger white beard mihawk shanks etc they were strong enough to survive and come across each of their respective weapons

[@killadiator1014]

i like that zoro had those signs first of all the straw hats. he is the one who trains the most and he is the only one who tries to improve his fighting ability to accomplish his dream

[@Rizarealm]

Talk to the Zoro haters!!! Edit: The chapter that Zoro used Asura against Kaido, Kaido said to Luffy (pertaining to ACoC) "Only a handful of the strongest can, not a dead man walking!" This is right after Zoro used Dead Man's Game! Confirming Zoro scarred Kaido using Ryou. When Zoro use Dragon Twister against Kaido, everyone made a big deal that Zoro cut Kaido's scales which was not shallow because Kaido got pissed. Zoro used ACoC vs King.

[@john-olivierlukama1548]

Wait how does that confirm that asura is ryou? Kaido's dead "man walking" remark was specifically targeted to Luffy, not Zoro. Kaido was taunting Luffy. He had no ill towards Zoro. If Asura was ryou, it would make no sense for Kaido to specifically call out Zoro about having CONQUERORS HAKI.

[@Vitonite]

Zoro literally used ACOC against Kaido?? Tf you mean lmao. He said that he has conquerors because of that attack.

[@brioche496]

This is the biggest leap I’ve seen so far 😂

[@lilbillreacts7800]

@@john-olivierlukama1548dude thought he discovered the one piece with this one🤦🏿‍♂️🤣 how do you comment on a video debunking all the stupid theories and still comment this nut shit

[@Rizarealm]

​@@john-olivierlukama1548 Asura is conquerors. Rayleigh said that Conquerors is a manifestation of a user's spirit. Kaku said he created an illusion using his spirit. Charming Demon Sleepless Night Onigiri and Dragon Twister are Conqueror haki illusions/projections but his body is coated in armament/ryou. The "dead man walking" refers to both Luffy and Zoro base on the context, Luffy figuratively and Zoro literally. It's in Oda's writing style to have a phrase or image have multiple meanings. Dead man's game was a Conqueror's haki move coated in Ryou. Asura is a tangable illusion because it can be felt, but it's not his real body (think of hard light holograms). Kaido had beef with Zoro the entire fight for giving him Oden PTSD.

[@LarsCaesar]

Nusjuro is the first time as far as I remember where someone thinks something similar to what Zoro does with the breath of everything. When Ethan thinks something like ”sense the living voices” before cutting. Could be an even deeper cultural aspect of haki for swordsmen. Will not be surprised if this is what Mihawk has perfected to be nr1. What Zoro did seemed like using some sort of observation to understand what he must cut with arnament

[@Varia680]

Agenda piece would go crazy if Shanks also uses a asura like ability

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Considering that swords souls looks like the blacksmiths that forged them then I can easily see Shanks having a Conquers Coating attack similar to Ashura.

[@Wykes]

This is all dependent on Ashura being a haki technique at all. Who's to say Ashura isn't completely unique to haki and he is simply infusing haki into it's attacks at the same time to increase it's power the same way Luffy only sometimes infuses armament into his attacks. It's fairly obvious Zoro was using conqueror's against Kaido when using Ashura but is not clear whatsoever in his fight against Kaku pre-timeskip.

[@hungrypanda4506]

Zoro has no devil fruit ability, in the one piece world every magical ability is a manifestation of haki or devil fruit

[@Re-Bourne]

Thank you I think ashura is a manifestation of Zoro dark personality not just cuz of his conquer spirit Zoro literally said Mihawk isn't human I think that implies ashura is showing Zoro dark nature he loves to fight and will cut off his leg before he gets a scar on the back it's clearly his dark personality not his conquer spirit and will.

[@hungrypanda4506]

@@Re-Bourne Don't cook and add your own headcannon into the story. The line about seraphim being more human than mihawk is what we call gassing up mihawk to be an emotionless and ruthless killer

[@jamesfoxsmith]

@@hungrypanda4506or how absurdly inhumanly powerful he is. Zoro might not be referring to mihawk’s personality at all making that comment

[@Wykes]

@hungrypanda4506 Condirmed up to this point, maybe. However, there are plenty of things left in the air to this point as well. Take the 5 Elder's powers for example. We still have no confirmation that their powers are devil fruit abilities at all. And cursed blades is another. Still completely unexplained.

[@SinkrSwim]

Perfectly said. Young Zoro was training on things Luffy wouldn't find out about for years, and that allowed him to tap into certain abilities earlier but he couldnt control them yet. Also does the Nika fruit continuiously help people around it constantly to achieve their dreams, thats a question we might need to ask at some point because Zoro going Ashura might be a manifestation of the Nika Fruit helping its ally do amazing things. Makes me wonder if Sanji, Usopp, or anyone else gets an understanding of conquerors haki. Also makes me wonder if we have seen Luffy and Zoro truely figure it out, because wifi haki and other attacks should be the next/last step.

[@gemodemplay415]

Like Morj said 10 times (literally), Zoro tapped into these powers before Luffy. And that is just fine. Zoro and Luffy are both really strong characters after all. Do not dismiss Zoro just hecause Luffy is stronger than him now.

[@mprietohernand26]

Zoro learning advanced armament, or ryou, before general armament haki is not a mistake by Oda. Swordsmen are just more naturally attuned to the ryou type because it involves inputting your spirit onto the sword to enhance it's strength. Luffy never had an outward object to put his soul into so that's why it took him much longer.

[@lukerne9260]

I still don't understand why Morj thinks Ashura is a form of advanced conquerors haki. Ashura is just a technique, the best Zoro has, and it's not related to haki. When he scarred Kaido, Zoro used Ashura + advanced coc. They are 2 different things. That's why later he uses advanced coc without using ashura and he calls it king of hell. That's basic 3 sword style + advanced coc. I still haven't seen a single person that understands what Oda did for Zoro with Enma and the rooftop battle. So many people still think he didn't even use advanced coc against Kaido which makes no sense, or that Zoro always knew advanced armament coming right after the timeskip when in fact he only learned it during Onigashima thanks to Enma. Others like Morj think Ashura is advanced coc and that makes no sense either. Am I the only one that understands how Oda made Zoro grow in strenght during Wano?

[@parmar__12]

Ashura is conquerors Current Ashura had coc infuse

[@lukerne9260]

@@parmar__12 No ashura isn't conquerors. Ashura is a technique, the best Zoro has, that's it. He can use it with or without adding armament or conquerors haki

[@parmar__12]

@@lukerne9260 it is whether you like it or not

[@gaylorfoumane2808]

​@@parmar__12 It is not confirmed either , morj theories aren't facts it's speculation like any other fan can do !

[@samuelodongo6589]

It’s said that Kaido can’t be hurt by anything other than conquerors haki. He uses Ashura then scars him. Seems like sound reasoning to me

[@Agyrof]

i have an idea about how zoro learned the 3 forms of haki so early. Zoro spent most of his time in east blue story being extremely wounded. He spent a lot of the story wounded. aside from enies lobby at every spot he was just getting beat on anytime he had an awakening. Zoro took the combo kaido big mom saiyan fusion or whatever that thing is (idk why we argue about zoro that was the most bs thing happen in this arc). Zoro is always getting murked, and that is why he gets his blooms so fast. I also would like to argue that if zoro didnt get his blooms he would be dead. Also i do believe that zoro is gonna get some kind of massive buff in elbaf, and that might be his final bloom

[@Agyrof]

one more thing. I think conquerers haki has sort of an awakening unique to the user much like devil fruits. We have only seen shanks transmit thoughts, and we have only seen zoro use ashura.

[@Gamerlord17]

My theory about asura is that its not only a manifestation of Conquerors haki but a manifestation of the Kitetsu's curse and that each Kitetsu blade has a stronger version of asura you can access however you NEED Conquerors haki to unleash Asura.

[@fazzo_]

this is actually a good theory

[@MidnightO42]

3:10 Morj with the throat clearing needed to deflect rabid powerscalers

[@xxTHELEGENDxx627]

Kaido verbatim said that adv conq can only be used by a handful of the strongest in the world. Yet it seems that there are so many idiots in the op community that read that as “handful of the strongest minus zoro” 💀. Eos/prime zoro will likely be top 5 ever in op. He already has some of the best feats we’ve seen on screen. Eventually yall gonna have to realize this dude’s strength whether you like it or not

[@Profitglutton90]

Lol facts

[@Bxbbonx]

Idk about top 5 There’s Luffy,BB, joy boy, Imu, ryuma. If Zoro really does surpass ryuma then he probs will be top 5 but if he just surpasses mihawk, shanks and maybe garp or something, then he will probably be just outside of it. But we know he is going to be top 10 for sure. 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Profitglutton90]

@@Bxbbonx BB is more a devil fruit guy, we have no indication he has any form on advanced haki

[@dellbaudeliare4821]

Facts! Ashura seems to be a CoC technique, but not a ACOC technique. Zoro hadn't mastered enma, you don't need ACoC or CoC to damage kaido

[@Obs1986]

@@Bxbbonx Luffy is gonna surpass Joy boy so it would pretty much wouldn’t make sense for Zoro not to surpass Ryuma then.

[@oup6009]

Another interesting thing is that Haki is drawn so that we as readers can see it. It's possible Oda only decided to visibly demonstrated it later in the story like with Shanks on the Sea King not shooting out conquerer's haki as we see it later on

[@YoyMcFroy]

Personally I think Oda retconned the breath of all things to be haki. There's no way that was the plan from the start.

[@array6684]

He uses ashura at the celebration after defeating kaido

[@tray7787]

Ryuo is just Wano’s word for haki, it doesn’t mean advanced armament.

[@MicaelAzevedo]

It is not just haki. Read again.

[@tray7787]

@@MicaelAzevedo I just read the official and Hyogoro says, “What you call haki… is known as ryuo here in Wano." What did I miss?

[@lukerne9260]

You're right. Oda made a huge mess with haki in general during Wano, that's why so many people get this wrong. And that's also why there's people like Morj that believe Ashura is advanced conquerors when it clearly isn't

[@MicaelAzevedo]

@@tray7787 thats just one part of many statements. Ryu is haki but it is different from the general conception as the normal type could not harm a Yonku. More like advanced Armament Haki but with some small nuances. This was stated by Oda itself. Creator of one piece.

[@tray7787]

@@MicaelAzevedo So when u told me to read again were u referring to the manga or some obscure explanation from Oda that I never read in the first place? Bc the manga clearly states Ryuo is Wano’s term for haki.

[@Gluffy-G]

Aah, the Zoro video we didn't know we were craving😊

[@GourSmith]

“The Raid will Fail” is the most underrated One Piece theory despite being the highest rated One Piece theory.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

the Raid Failing and Zoro Kills Kaido has the same fanbase, so Morj wanting either of those two events to happen was just a pipe dream on his part.

[@wisdommanari6701]

​@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr respectfully no TF they don't

[@justaway6901]

​@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Bruh you must not be present when Morj spit roasted the ZKKers by saying, "we might be on the same boat, but we're not friends" 😭😭

[@bmoney3837]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr they dont have the same fanbasse i was the supporter of raid failing not zkk. raid failing fans know kaido is a monster and we thought kaido was too hard to beat even a awakaned kaido would be too much

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@bmoney3837 , Oda would've called Kaido's Dragon fruit a Dragon Dragon Fruit instead of Fish Fish Fruit if it was an unawakened Dragon otherwise yes Kaido already Awakdned his Devil Fruit to being a Dragon.

[@zachward8228]

What if that's how the Gorosei transform. Oda could have hinted at it with Zoro's Ashura technique.

[@nanab4719]

Asura is his first application of conquerors but the koj style he used against king is stronger than the asura against kaido

[@Naruto1341]

On Zoro in Allibasta: when I think of Armament Haki, I think it’s using ones will to temper themselves. Both for defending against another’s will, and for attacking another’s will. When I think of Ryuo, it’s like putting one’s will into things. Zoro putting his will, via his swordsmenship into that which he wishes to cut. In both cases, the users Willpower is the variable. Ryuo wouldn’t let those who knew how to do it in Wano fight Kaido. Zoro having Color of the Kings wouldn’t matter if he doesn’t use the practical skill of Ryuo. Observation, Armament, and Ryou are learnable skills. Luffy and Zoro learn the skills, and also happen to have Kings Haki to make those skills more powerful.

[@Page_max]

Worj cooking like a master chief

[@sizks4069]

ZORO IS HIM & WILL ALWAYS BE HIM

[@Xspaz15X]

While I do think Ashura is a haki ability, saying it MUST be conquerors haki because of his fight with kaido is a weak argument. That's like saying gum gum pistol is a haki ability because luffy can hit you with haki... when in reality gum gum pistol is COMBINED with haki. Zoro could have combined conquerors haki with ashura to attack kaido. we know for a fact that Enma forces zoro to output an insane amount of haki to begin with AND we know zoro can use COC coating without ashura. this also explains why he was using it against Kaku, because its haki, but not advanced COC. correlation ≠ causation.

[@hungrypanda4506]

Go uninstall your brain, there is no hope for you as you cant get basic reasoning

[@CT_20243]

Luffy Vs Mihawk will definitely happen again, because Mihawk himself always likes to measure a strong opponent, we could definitely see Mihawk use conquerors haki advance guaranteed because he is toasted once Luffy enter gear 5th then Mihawk doesn't use Conqueror's haki advance as well

[@thehonoredonereal]

Morj the biggest zoro fanboy 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jonasd.2548]

I forgot the exact line but i think hyogoro mentioned that swordsmen are naturaly better at ryou because they have to cut through things much like ryou itself.

[@leolegendario1]

The true Hakiman of One Piece.

[@Potato98765]

Before the king fight happened I was so desperate waiting for Zoro to get a tough fight. All his 1v1 had been easy after Kaku so he never got that same growth that Luffy got. Hopefully we will get more difficult Zoro fights in the future.

[@stefan_green]

W video Morj. We dont get a lot of videos on how strong Zoro truly is in the community. Ppl are so focused on how strong they WANT Zoro to be(relative to Sanji) rather than how strong he actually is(relative to Luffy). The wildest part is that Zoro being relative to Luffy is better for Luffy and the SHs 😂😂

[@samuellaakso7012]

While everything else said in this video is true, I would arque about one thing. You could make the argument of Luffy showing hakibloom before Zoro in Little Garden. At the end of his fight against Mr. 3, he recognizes the real one from his wax sculptures. And Luffy states that he did it by instinct. This could be his first bloom of observation haki in the heat of the battle and we just never realised it at the time.

[@jamesfoxsmith]

True

[@XelLeRoux]

Morj you said Kaido can’t sense someone has conquers haki and used Luffy as an example. But what about Kid? Clearly he can’t use conquers or conquers attacks and yet Kaido knew he has it. Blackbeard also could sense Luffys haki yet he didn’t even fight Luffy

[@eneru1731]

Oda giving Kid conquers haki is one of the weirdest choices. Atleast make him use it once during his biggest moment in the series…

[@DarkChaos1986]

Every observation haki user can feel others people haki, because you can measure the strength of others, but you can't know if they have conquerors haki. And Kid should have had a release of conquerors haki while fighting against Kaido.

[@MrMorj]

We know for a fact that Kaido could not sense that Luffy had conqueror's haki just from Luffy's attacks. We have no context as to how Kaido found out Kid has conqueror's haki, but Kid has been Kaido's prisoner for like a month. Kid could have released some conqueror's haki at any point during that time. Maybe Kid released Conqueror's haki when he faced Kaido the first time. Ultimately we can only speculate on that, but at least what we are shown for a fact is that Kaido can't just figure out you have conqueror's haki from non-conqueror's haki infused attacks.

[@XelLeRoux]

@@MrMorj Then how come Blackbeard could sense Luffys haki in Jaya before Luffy even used it? I don’t really think it makes sense for Kid to use conquers against Kaido. It wouldn’t affect him nor would it make sense to knock out his own crew members. He also didn’t use it once in the prison or on Onigashima.

[@travisealy3512]

We don’t know how kaido sensed Kidd haki lmao. It was off screen

[@mobbs6426]

I still consider Asura to be more similar to the six paths of Cypher Pol. No other Haki manifestation has been able to create physical manifestations, so I see it as him dancing around in a circle fast enough to form after images. Nothing stopping him adding Ryuo into the mix and and emitting the signature electricity and flames, and getting that deep cut, but I still think Asura is basically just a Shave to 60°

[@Vitonite]

Ashura isn't advanced conquerors haki. He infused advanced conquerors into Ashura to create Dead Man's Game.

[@magicpyroninja]

5:45 Luffy used conquerors haki before he even knew what it was Seems like in certain intense situations. You can call upon your latent abilities that you haven't fully awakened yet. You don't know how you're doing it or if you'll ever be able to do it again, but for that moment in order to save your life, it works

[@anthonywalker4052]

Whoa there Morj, you’re about to beat Zoro’s meat raw! 😂

[@ihsandfkrurrozi]

Mr Morj listen to me, I want to tell you something, I realized the moment when Zoro attacked Kaido with his Ashura, leaving Kaido a scar in the shape of 1 slash, that happened because Zoro slashed at the same body location as much as/equivalent to 9. After I thought about this , I concluded that 9 "advance armament" attacks in the same position of Kaido's body might indeed be able to make scars on Kaido. I see basic conquers as being like an aura that is emitted from the body, so I positively think that Zoro is only releasing the aura of his conquers and not coating it . therefore Kaido was only aware of the aura

[@JrodsCreations8]

Too shallow

[@eloquitodelaesquina]

Theres a problem in the logic with Ashura tho Zoro clearly used conquerors when he scarred Kaido with Ashura that doesnt prove Ashura is conquerors allways, it just means Zoro used conquerors and Ashura at that moment, we dont know if Ashura itself is conquerors

[@KurokamiNajimi]

This whole video is just him making shit up tbh, Enma gave him king’s as a freebie so there’s literally nothing special about Zoro’s Haki progression. Zoro doesn’t have ryou and idk where he got the idea that you need ryou to use king’s coating

[@THWOMPSHOTS]

zoro is like the #1 most hyped up character in the whole show wym underrated lmao

[@BamBammBeatz]

Wen u need a video to post I guess you just say anything cuz he for sure most hyped Behind Luffy smh😭

[@ct9739]

My guess would be you can probably find out what he means by watching the video, hope this helps!

[@jessedv5915]

read the title again underrated haki user not underated character

[@a7b812]

U can't read or something?

[@THWOMPSHOTS]

@@a7b812 what are you having trouble understanding here lil bro

[@rockinrom1524]

i think zoro describing breath is more his perspective on observation haki. ussop can see their silhouettes. luffy can feel characters intent and emotions while sanji is tuned towards women.

[@IndiaTides]

Haki is black and that's why Zoro hates it.

[@FrozunLightning]

There's a moment from Alabasta that people don't seem to attribute to Luffy similarly using Haki against Crocodile like how Zoro does against Mr 1. Crocodile is shown using his desert spada attack that Luffy avoids every time before in the fights against Crocodile, and its destructive force is shown to cut through anything. But during their final clash in, Luffy finally punches through the sand without getting cut by it. I think it makes sense to attribute this to being a haki bloom as well. This makes sense once you think that narratively Oda was showing us that Luffy would be killed if he was hit by that move previously. It wouldn't make sense if he was just always able to punch through it before that point. In chapter 208, Luffy says he will be king of the pirates (by the way, Oda draws him standing in front of hieroglyphs where the sun is shown previously, between the jackal and falcon on the walls in the background). Crocodile follows up by saying its a delusion of grandeur and that dream is impossible, but of course we know he's also talking to himself in that moment because it was his dream to be king of the pirates, too. In chapter 209, Crocodile's will is wavering and he is wondering how can Luffy possibly still be fighting. Then finally they both go into the air and attack each other, which Oda devotes 3 panels showing the approaching desert spada and it getting stopped and punched through by Luffy, which presumably would have been impossible before this point. We also know that by chapter 234, Blackbeard mentions haki by name which is not that many chapters after. Along with Zoro's display of cutting steel, I think it's evident that Oda had haki planned by Alabasta, especially because we go from that mention of haki by Teach to observation being shown in Skypiea and conquerors being shown when Shanks and Whitebeard meet up. It was not the visual black coloration we get in the modern day, but I think it's enough to say that Luffy and Zoro both had a haki bloom in their fights in Alabasta.