Mrs Landingham gives young Bartlett numbers West Wing S2 E 22 Two Cathedrals

[@zapface94]

She nails the younger Landingham down. Her accent is perfect.

[@zachj9359]

i think its the daughter of the actress who plays Mrs Landingham

[@kellymannion4408]

Zach Janisch it's not. She just spent time working with the actress to get the accent. The actress was on the west Wing Weekly podcast and explained it.

[@googoo-gjoob]

accent AND inflexion.

[@alperenbulbul6367]

Young Jed is Martin sheens brother tho.

[@samsouyave-murphy986]

Alperen Bulbul No, that’s incorrect. I think you’re thinking of Emilio Estevez, Martin Sheen’s son, who played him in the Season 4 finale. He wasn’t the only person to play Young Jed, though. Jason Widener played him in Two Cathedrals (this episode).

[@paulcrawford5437]

Would have loved to see more of a young Mrs Landingham. Seems to me she had a big hand in moulding Jed maybe more than his own father.

[@zz449944]

Mrs. Landingham likely influenced Jed Bartlet more than any of the other smart intellectuals he knew. If it wasn't for Mrs. Landingham, Jed may have gone on to do stuff other than public service and politics -- such as a lawyer or doctor. And the smartest thing Jed did was to keep her around while he was governor and president. Even if Jed rarely sought out direct counsel from Mrs. Landingham, her presence and snarky retorts influenced his actions and thinking every day.

[@situated4]

@@zz449944 Plus, she took his virginity, so there's that.

[@GaryM67-71]

It's what you would expect of a left-wing show pushing left-wing sctick such as feminism. Men don't learn anything useful from women.

[@tomblah]

That would be an awesome spinoff show

[@mpdalyful1]

I loved Mrs landinghams character and was devastated when her character was killed off...

[@MrStGeorgeIllawarra]

She got offered that role on Desperate Housewives.

[@OrenPanitch]

she died in real life, so they had to find a good way to end her role - this was a tragic masterpiece

[@akaSlasher]

@@OrenPanitch Dolores Landingham wasn't killed because the actress died. Not even close. Katherine Joosten was on the _West Wing_ from 1999-2002. She then played Karen McCluskey in _Desperate Housewives_ from 2005-2012. She died of lung cancer in 2012, a decade after leaving _The West Wing._ She was 72 years old. What impresses the heck out of me is that she'd done no acting at all until after her 1980 divorce. In 1982, at age 42, she began acting in community theatre. Seventeen years later, the 59-year-old actress was in the White House (set), being amazing.

[@Mekratrig]

As devastavating as her character's death was, I loved how Jed got Leo to clear the church, so Jed could have a private word with God, the "feckless thug". Still astonished they were able to include that soliloquy.

[@Mekratrig]

As devastavating as her character's death was, I loved how Jed got Leo to clear the church, so Jed could have a private word with God, the "feckless thug". Still astonished they were able to include that soliloquy.

[@Leon-zu1wp]

Now we know why he allows her to berate him and why he addresses her as "Mrs" instead of just her first name.

[@MrAudienceMember2662015]

Children back then were raised to respect adults. That learned behavior carried through to later years. Our current idiot in the oval didn’t learn this important lesson.

[@charlieskywalker7062]

MrAudienceMember I don’t think a lack of adoration of the older generations is really what his problem is. If anything breaking away from that trend has allowed new progressive ideas to take root.

[@rainbowsnail4171]

@@charlieskywalker7062 People who expect to be respected and listened to simply due to their age, are idiots. Age does not mean wisdom, at all. Many old people have good things to say, because they have life experiences. However just as many old people are idiots with vastly outdated ideas and ideals. So in summary, one should not respect a person more due to their age. Listen to what they have to say, and see if they are worthy of respect. And respect is earned, not freely given.

[@ExcentricDragon]

@@rainbowsnail4171 Something my grandfather told me. "You give a base respect to everyone you meet. That is just the way it is. But if anyone wants actual respect above that, they have to earn it from you. Even me."

[@Kailaa3]

I miss this show, especially the Aaron Sorkin years. It was exceptional.

[@dukethomas95]

The quality of the writing, the maturity, was outstanding!

[@joerules829]

When someone asks me a vague question I say “Numbers, Mrs Landingham”.

[@groovygirl23]

The casting here was spot on. Both perfectly captured the voices of the characters.

[@jimmy2k4o]

Would have been funny if they once used Charlie sheen or emlio estefez as a cameo as a young jed or a brother a nephew. Mate that would lack the class this show has.

[@Petteri82]

"There's something abnormal about you" has been my favourite thing for about 20 years.

[@kingpin6989]

Young Mrs. Landingham is hot.

[@googoo-gjoob]

suh mooookin

[@tiyabear]

I would kill to see more flashbacks between them through the years.

[@batmanwayne6470]

This could have been made into another series and I'd have watched it... The rewatched every single episode of TTW to cross-reference. Ideology aside just magnificent writing and casting.

[@theolamp5312]

Two Cathdrals - Everyone must watch it. It's at least as good as any theatrical film that has ever been released.

[@titusgilner]

she was the cricket on his shoulder. losing your conscious is the perfect recipe for a downward spiral.

[@survivor648]

This was so very sad, the writers are genius. To have had her be in his life for so long and have such an influence on his character. The saddest season finale I’ve ever seen 😢😢

[@michaelreidperry3256]

My favorite TWW episode.

[@davidhobbs3181]

She was definitely his Mrs. Robinson

[@TQuast]

Later, Landingham would become Police Chief of Santa Barbara and hire Charlie Young and his Psychic best friend to solve crimes.

[@specialk9424]

That wasn't Charlie Young. That was Gus "Silly Pants" Jackson. Or Lavender Goombs, if you prefer his pen name.

[@upthebracket26]

Mrs Landingham was roll tide as they say

[@BOLANAREDE321]

War Eagle

[@richarddillinger8768]

I’ve always liked Nancy Travis’s work. However, this one’s my favorite. She captures a young Mrs. Vanlandingham perfectly.

[@tiadaid]

This isn’t Nancy Travis. This is Kirsten Nelson, better known as Chief Wick from Psych (of course, with another West Wing alum, Dule Hill).

[@richarddillinger8768]

@@tiadaid well I stand corrected. She sure looked a lot like Nancy Travis.

[@darlymh]

That voice!!!

[@darlymh]

That “ok” and “I gotta project for ya”

[@zugrook101]

It's funny how some people inspire you. It's sad you don't realise it sooner.

[@andrewgundy3045]

Might be the best episodes in WW history, what does everyone else think?

[@INLegalBeagle]

Up the ante. It's one of the best episodes in television history.

[@dd2977]

Is it wrong to have wanted the full segment, or am I asking too much?

[@christelheadington1136]

Yes, they can't afford it.

[@vivianwells8215]

Part 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKjEgniupt56i80

[@Strategic_Reformer]

Why do I feel like Jim Harper from the newsroom is young Jed Bartlett? Even if he ain't, he definitely should have played him.

[@intrestedinallthings]

No, but young Jim Harper from the Newsroom is in the West Wing. He helps Josh Toby and Donna when they get left behind the motorcade at the beginning of season 4

[@keyboarddancers7751]

Is it me or is Mrs Landingham rather hot? In a Tina Fey sort of way?

[@angiecarranza]

He looks like a Nick Jonas with straight hair. Even his voice and the way he carries himself.

[@christelheadington1136]

There was a reason they didn't use Charlie Sheen, but I don't remember why. Maybe another time he was in rehab. He is the spitting image of his dad.

[@millstodd8874]

They could've died Emillio's hair brown. He looks just like him too.

[@mattboesch8907]

@@millstodd8874 Emilio would've been perfect because everytime Marty speaks and acts I think to myself my god emilio would been perfect as a younger Jed.

[@rickyd0821]

You cut it off before the tie in. Who does that? lol

[@fireball0762]

although now days they would have to get a new younger jed, but they should do a prequel showing bartlet as a young man.!

[@fifthbusiness1678]

Forgive me, but A female cook making $3,200/yr and a male electrical making $3,900 suggests electricians were drastically underpaid back in the 50s! That gap today, even if the cook is male and the electrician female, is far greater.

[@upthebracket26]

Mrs Landingham? more like Mrs Hottinhgam

[@spahjrp]

This show was too SMART for the tv viewing public?

[@royalblue5367]

Unnecessary capitalisation and misplaced question marks are a much more reliable sign of stupidity.

[@BOLANAREDE321]

actually it dumbed things down a lot, and played to a certain political ideology rather than presenting things fairly.

[@josephrmancini3877]

Spoke at crip funeral Compton wooden Chapel 1986

[@tpsu129]

Does the English teacher with 4 fewer years have a higher accreditation? I been at a school 2 more years than a woman but she makes $10,000 more than me. Why? More graduate credits.

[@LeaveChildrenAlone]

That's today, back then it was the norm for men to make more than women despite having been there longer or better at the job. Now today, you must hire to fill roles no matter if they are qualified or not. It's why I'm not flying on any Boeing made aircraft. Recent hiring practices show their pilots are not qualified to fly those planes and they are made poorly.

[@rcslyman8929]

"A female cook makes 3200 compared to a male electrician that makes 3900". Because these jobs are so much alike. Also, if anything, they're drastically underpaying the electrician.

[@rcslyman8929]

@UCl413m4xR9KNB9ptjQFZoEA They may be staff positions, but the technical skill involved in each is different. It's a cook (not a chef) in a what, late 40s, early-to-mid 50s university? Versus an electrician. That's not pay inequity, that's pay for the skill level of the position that the university deems is appropriate. Now, those two English professors on the other hand, that she mentioned right before... Also more in context, this was before the Equal Pay Act of 1963. So... yeah, there wasn't even protection in the law and a lot of people were speaking out about it, and rightly so. Today? They still are, but they're making comparisons like the first one. Taking two jobs with dissimilar workload, technical skill, training requirements, etc, and trying to draw a comparison. Does that mean pay inequity doesn't exist today? No. But that's a very real, and very costly law suit waiting to happen.

[@specialk9424]

This looked like it was in the 1960's, when $3,900 went a hell of a lot farther than it does today.

[@LMays-cu2hp]

So nice...

[@NilzFranco]

my EXACT reaction

[@Kailaa3]

@whynotbig Yes.

[@kevinshields4643]

Did she just compare a cook to an electrician on wages?

[@albertgaspar627]

and Leo got Margaret

[@funhavin5394]

So a cook deserves the same pay as an electrician? Numbers don't always add up!

[@robincoffman6723]

Depends on how good a cook you want and how hungery you are willing to get before paying the price for that good / great cook

Why would a cook earn anywhere near an electrician.

[@olemissguy200]

Why are so many ppl from psych on this show lol

[@whynotbig]

is ms landingham who is death?

[@Guitcad1]

Yes

[@JavierRodriguez17565]

whynotbig yea she died in a car crash a while after she bought herself the car

[@MrAudienceMember2662015]

Javier Rodriguez she was hit by a drunk driver while driving her first new car home from the dealership.

[@Ghost-ql3hl]

Is it just me or does she sound like Jennifer Hale

[@oldtimerf7602]

Looks to me like young Mrs. L. would have joyfully feasted upon young master Bartlett in a flash if given the signal..

[@davidhobbs3181]

Is it just me or does anybody else think that Mrs. Lanningham was Jed’s first love

[@seanwebb605]

David Hobbs Mrs. Robinson?

[@Mark-ke1rj]

What Mrs. Landingham fails to mention: Florence Chadwick has an AA in Literature and a teaching certificate. She teaches 9th grade English Composition. Mr. Hopkins has bachelor's degrees in Education and English, teaches 11th grade english as well as a senior writing course, and chairs the department. The electrician is a journeyman working to get his BS in electrical engineering and is on call 5 days a week, as well as for after school events. The cook is home taught and has no degree, she is done by 1pm every day. The wage gap is a lie

[@specialk9424]

You making this all up, or was it mentioned in the show? Cause if it was mentioned in the show, you have a case for the wage gap being bullshit. If not, and you just made it all up, that's pretty damn creative of you.

[@lingeriedeparis7274]

It's just a TV show folks and it was just to make a point, but of course you can get statistics to say anything and make a defensive anything that you make a lie of, point being of course there was lots of wage discrimination but they didn't have two hours to explain it to you they had 5 minutes

[@jamesd8292]

The quick dialogue feels so out of place in that flashback.

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

Why? It's to illustrate a more troublefree time for both of them.

[@davidkosa]

I think young Jed should've had a stiffie for young Mrs. Landingham.

[@JMcLeodKC711]

He is in love with her

[@darlymh]

Admiration at her tenacity, and love as one would have for an aunt or other older family member. Please stop trying to make everything seem sexual. If that was not your intention, I truly apologize. Hard to “read” meaning in a text/sentence.

[@DrownedInExile]

Mixed feelings about this scene. On the one hand, I agree that injustice is everyone's responsibility, and evil triumphs when good people do nothing. On the other hand, if you want to get ahead in life, you have to take risks. You can't outsource that responsibility to anyone, but it seems like that's what Mrs. Landingham wants. To have Jed be her White Knight, and come charging to those women's rescue. If I were Jed, I'd say if these women want to stand up for themselves, I'll stand with them. But if they aren't, if they're too afraid to take the risk, don't expect me to either. If that means Mrs. Landingham doesn't want to know me, I'm not going to lose any sleep over that.

[@MichaelRobertHart]

if the headmaster found out Landingham was rabble rousing to Jed, she would be fired. I think that qualifies as a risk! In another scene she says the other women are afraid of losing their jobs specifically. Jed taking a stand is what gives cover to everyone else, gives them the opportunity to be brave.

[@robincoffman6723]

the 1940 s / 50 s were so different, you think you have it bad now, then if a woman or women dared to try to stand up for theirself they would have been fired oon the spot if not sooner. By Jed doing it there was a CHANCE it might get heard

[@DrownedInExile]

@@MichaelRobertHart That's fair, not everyone can fight back against injustice. I'm still reminded of a line from another Sorkin work. "So we only fight the fights we can win? We fight the fights that need to be fought!"

[@triciajumonville7741]

@@DrownedInExile And she is fighting the right that needs to be fought. And being smart about it, giving a better chance of victory.

[@PhoenixFires]

Not eveeyone can just choose joblessness or retaliation for speaking out against injustices.t

[@JamesJoyce12]

and of course - for the democratic socialists - the answer is that the women should be paid more when my first reaction is that we are paying the men too much if women are willing to work for less - that is the difference between running a private business and working for the public sector

[@elizabethdillon4945]

That is way too simplistic and not the point

[@Merlewhitefire]

@@elizabethdillon4945 How appropriate, the data that supports the wage gap is also "way too simplistic"

[@holyknightthatpwns]

@@Merlewhitefire The wage gap still exists if you account for length of time in the industry, hours worked, amount of education, job title, and field. Tell me what hidden variable is not being accounted for?

[@Merlewhitefire]

@@holyknightthatpwns Here's the neat part: You're objectively wrong.

[@scepteredisle]

It's crazy looking back how much BS and fake info was sprinkled into this show.

[@PhoenixFires]

You're telling me President Bartlett wasn't a real Prez???