A History Teacher Reacts | "Germany Could Not Win WW2 (Part 2)" by Potential History

[@dshadow01]

Germany in WW2: Shit, we need oil or we'll lose the war. *fails to secure oil* Volkswagen in 2019: All our vehicles will be fully electric by 2040 Oh yeah, it's all coming together

[@oliverbennett8515]

Only a hundred years too late !

[@jerbear3915]

Third times the charm

[@shep7544]

New idea: If germany just used fully electric planes and tanks they would have won the war for sure!!!!

[@rhn122]

Did someone say electric? Tiger P: I don't feel so good

[@stupidminotaur9735]

The Grand Strategy of Japan, 1919 - 1941

[@Ataximander]

The dab was from the filming of the Nolan movie.

[@suwinkhamchaiwong8382]

Ataximander Done kink Edit: Auto-correct

[@hephaestus9901]

No its from ww1,at christmas truce

[@Groobis]

@@hephaestus9901 Image quality is way too high for a photo taken in 1914, it was definitely taken later.

[@itzshft]

@@Groobis it's from the set of "Dunkirk" 2016 movie

[@Groobis]

@@itzshft I assumed so, I was just explaining why it definitely wasn't from the christmas truce.

[@themaniomarian]

"If only Nazis wouldn't start the war, they would win the war" - The only real conclusion of such comments like "If only Nazis weren't Nazis..." etc.

[@weik-2936]

If the Sith weren't Sith they would have beat the Jedi

[@imperiumgrim4717]

@@weik-2936 well yeah that's true tho

[@genova4485]

If nazi didn't start the war than America wouldn't win

[@crispygeneral]

Meh it's pretty subjective as every "nazis" has differing views on something just as you and I do. People say that Erwin Rommel and Erich Manstein were sympathetic towards jews and other said groups, even refusing to commit atrocities against them. Sure the germans lost but as for alternative history it's certainly possible under the right circumstances just as napoleon had the possibility to win against the coalition! It's all in the fun of "what if".

[@redchickenproduction]

I think what people mean by that argument is what if the nazis didnt show what some of their true intentions were until after they won.

[@rscientist821]

Japan may have won the Russo-Japanese war 1905. However they were brutally defeated 1936 at khalkin gol 1936 by the soviets.

[@ryanrusch3976]

I think his point was more of The Japanese got all the concessions they wanted during the Russo Japanese war and the battle of Khalkin Gol just proved to them that a war would be difficult and gains couldn't be made.

[@JesterEric]

The battle was in 1939. It was a Soviet victory that blunted Japanese ambitions but it was not overwhelming

[@smithnwesson990]

It was a battle not a war and it proved nothing.

[@bigdaz9363]

SmithN' Wesson no in this battle Zhukov proved that the red army could move swiftly with a fast air raid and massive barrage of artillery then swarms of tanks and infantry overwhelming the Japanese

[@ClannCholmain]

Japan sued for peace, they didn’t win.

[@hankcarpenter7376]

21:05 "war games" is not a video game, of testing strategies without actual combat.

[@nathanleschke4719]

Yeah, pretty sure the Royal Military Academy didn't bust out Hoi4 for a couple rounds.

[@tymgamerz]

Unless ur rasputin, then u can actually have combat

[@12spanku]

You would think a history teacher would have heard the term war games before. Very odd.

[@Heiryuu]

There is actually a video game called Wargame that has two expansions the newest of which has several DLC packs

[@PoolNoodleGundam]

Wargame is a video game tho

[@aninjawaffle98]

Dr.strange: i looked into the future and saw 14,000,604 different outcomes. Hitler: and how many did we win? Dr.Strange: none

[@sharpspoon7371]

Dead meme and unfunny punchline.

[@sharpspoon7371]

@@foxomexra Or kids....................it always seems to be reddit kids.

[@aninjawaffle98]

SHARP SPOON dont give a shit

[@sharpspoon7371]

@@foxomexra I'm sure most people would agree that dead memes aren't funny. Also that's a boomer mindset so no thanks.

[@sharpspoon7371]

@@aninjawaffle98 God damn I just got destroyed by you, are you gonna fortnite dance on me to assert dominance?

[@tonyrobinson1088]

"Is there a worse place on the internet than the KZbin comments section, other than reddit or 4chan?" Facebook and Twitter: Are you challenging us?

[@TheCsel]

I was going to say this. Facebook comments, despite lack of anonymity, are so much worse.

[@josephschultz3301]

Twitter is the exact sort of den of depravity that Obi-Wan tried to explain to Luke.

[@batmanbruce186]

Anthony Robinson Instagram: *hah amateurs*

[@josephschultz3301]

​@Vojislav Šešelj Look, I get it. 4chan is a ton-of-fun and all that good shit. But blaming everything on /pol/ doesn't mean much when you have the absolute powerhouse of /b/ to contend with. Or... you know... the rest of the internet. /pol/ is an awful wasteland of sin and they practically admit as much, but the idea that political correctness could _ever_ exist on a free-speech internet is beyond bonkers. The only other option is restrictions, which would limit literally _EVERYONE_ and their aunt, whether they know it or not. Should you say that? Hell, _could_ you even say that? Because we have ways of making sure that you don't say that. I'm rambling now and I forgot what I was talking about. Either way, free-speech.

[@invenblocker]

Have any of you ever been on tumblr?

[@hermz8616]

Damn dude if only they had Dashlane so the Allies didn’t crack the codes

[@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385]

And don't forget nord vpn

[@josukehigashikata8690]

And skillshare to learn how to win a war.

[@freeloot2417]

They could have passed time with raid shadow legends

[@nootnoot9784]

And, saved tons of money with honey.

[@Aldnon]

And keep hygiene with dollar shave.

[@nickkinler8547]

As I said under part 1, there's no mention of North Africa. That's a front that often time goes unnoticed but also siphoned off resources that Germany didn't have. The Afrika Korps was largely a mobile force that relied heavily on armor that needed enormous amounts of fuel.

[@heybro8845]

That’s true, although I doubt the Germans could have closed the North African front anyway. The UK didn’t really have anywhere else to fight, so they could put a majority of their forces into fighting that front, meanwhile the Germans had to worry about the Balkans, the Russians, etc. That’s not even to mention the fact that the Germans would’ve had a tough time getting there anyway given that they had to cross the Med

[@problemaslaptop]

That is true. And that front only reinforces the point that Germany couldn’t have won. Germany had no chance winning and north africa, and Germany just couldn’t let north africa be taken by the allies, because as soon as africa fell, the allies invaded sicily

[@Robert53area]

The axis powers were never going to win. They were in worse shape than the central powers in ww1 as far as resources goes. And they going up against a stronger allies and a full powered soviet union which was 4 times stronger than the russian empire had ever been.

[@the_christopher]

Potential history was likely memeing when he showed a video of HoI 4 on screen. That being said, "Wargames" are an actual thing that have been in use for centuries. In fact, many Tabletop RPGs can find some of their mechanics rooted in the Prussian wargame Kriegsspiel. Its fascinating military history, and I would recommend digging down into that rabbit hole for an hour or two.

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

yeah, I can't believe he doesn't know that military officers and such have used wargames for a very very long time for training and preparing for scenarios and experimenting with tactics. They're not video games, they're extensively calculated and regulated simulations. Maybe he's not into military history though, but it was a bit cringey to see him making fun of Potential History when in fact Terry was the one who was completely ignorant on the subject

[@CaptainApathetic]

@@ByzantineDarkwraith I think it was more of a joke

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

@Malachai Carter can you give me a timecode so I can rewatch it? didnt seem at all funny to me. no hate on Mr T-Dog tho

[@jacobdonnely2608]

The guy dabbing at 8:40 was from a movie where they took loads of footage from WW2 and recreated it.

[@Wanys123]

Yes, it is the extras of movie "Dunkirk"...

[@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385]

What movie?!

[@skavanagh2778]

@@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385 dunkirk

[@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385]

@@skavanagh2778 oh ok

[@mandalortemaan7510]

They should get the Germans invading France in a selfie. Then title it "Invading France with my besties"

[@rileycrockett7615]

Hey man I'd just like to say that your the best react channel on KZbin instead of just having your opinions on the matter you provide extra information and are generally well informed on the topic at hand I have the uptmost respect for you please keep doing what you're doing

[@MrTerry]

Thank you for your kind words!

[@aidenstammler4618]

8:22 I'm betting that was on the set of "Dunkirk", because that can't be real.

[@Alpha_Arc]

It is, there's a video of it

[@suwinkhamchaiwong8382]

It isn’t

[@997ET]

it's a photomontage

[@benselectionforcasting4172]

Cocky Timetraveler

[@deanmckellar619]

Sadly it's just a little snapshot of movie extras from Dunkirk in 2016

[@marcelosilveira2276]

21:26 well, it were the prussians that invented the very first “wargame” and it was created specifically for their military academy, so that they could plan out operations without moving huge forces around to see how it would develop. By ww2, every western nation and even the japanese had their own wargame systems by which to simulate operations before they decided to launch it or not

[@xi.na_]

Please react to the Eastern Front Animated It's from Eastory

[@IJ72]

Jedna velika banjalucka.

[@patrickazzarella6729]

The British and French crippling Germany's navy and airforce after ww1 really helped in the long run because by the time Britain declared war Germany's main fleet didnt have the size or numbers to go toe to toe with the royal navy

[@darak1455]

If only plan z worked...

[@Wanys123]

@@darak1455 if only they had steel or oil to run that...which they didn't...and couldn't have...

[@theread3480]

Conner Doyle The Germans under any circumstances would not have been able to defeat the Royal Navy EVER. The main reason for this is that the German ship building industry was just so much weaker than the British ship building industry that at the start of the war was the best in the world and was only able to be surpassed by the American ship building industry

[@cristianlopez-mendez537]

@@theread3480 It is also the fact that the German navy was tiny compared to the British. Even if they started building up before 1939(Britian would of never allowed this), there is no way they would of had the resources nor the TIME to build as many ships. Also, if they started building carriers, you have to take in the fact the Germans had no idea nor experience using them and the British did. Then there is the luftwaffe being battered by the RAF, meaning that the shipyards where they would be building ships could simply be bombed.

[@darkability1393]

@@cristianlopez-mendez537"Even if they started building up before 1939(Britain would of never allowed this)" Since they were doing the appeasement policy, I bet Hitler would have been able to build them without much, if any, intervention from the allies.

[@banditokipz9516]

I’m pretty sure the British soldier who was dabbing was from the filming of the movie Dunkirk

[@jm-holm]

War game isn't video game... "A military exercise or war game is the employment of military resources in training for military operations, either exploring the effects of warfare or testing strategies without actual combat."

[@ComanderSazabi2000]

Sometimes it's just a really big tabletop game though, naval wargames during the era around ww1 and ww2 for example, were just a big empty room and models of ships that players can control on the floor.

[@communistrat2945]

It’s pretty much just a table top rts dude

[@jangamaster8677]

Jimmy Holm thanks for pointing that out, really bugged me when he said that.

[@ImperialOffic3r]

He did say in the 70s, the video game was there just to illustrate his point

[@blitz8425]

I think you guys are missing the point. Militaries do run actual real life wargames, but they simulate the weapons. Both are true. He doesn't specify in the Figaro if its of the table top variety, or if its the simulated combat variety, which does involve people, and equipment, and wartime conditions. That being swiss, given the purpose of the exercise, the table top version seems to be be more likely And after a quick Google, operation sea lion was a mix of computer, and table top simulation, the majority being tabletop.

[@the_christopher]

Also fun fact, the US Military did use a Hearts of Iron 2 mod for a military exercise at the US Marine Corps War College in 2014 The AAR (After-action report) is public and can be read. Fascinating stuff. So, yes, the leaders of today and tomorrow are using video games.

[@MoffatLee]

I guess Germany really are going for third time's the charm, they've been training TommyKay to lead them to victory on their next attempt.

[@AnakinSkywakka]

Oh shit, that's actually pretty cool. You gotta link to this, dude?

[@mgeiger2341]

They've also been using vr simulations for years.

[@CruelestChris]

And their urban combat field manual has city elevations made in SimCity 3000.

[@ChevyChase301]

Uhhhh my grandfather was involved in war games in bavaria to simulate World War III and it was seriously looked at by the brass in the 70s and 80s

[@josephschultz3301]

"Dude, he's so... just like... hype that he made it out of Dunkirk that he invented the dab." Not a way I expected anyone to ever voice that sentiment, but yes, dude is obviously very hype that he survived Dunkirk. I love this channel xD . Rock on, Mr. Terry.

[@MrTerry]

I heard that was from the new Dunkirk movie ☹️

[@josephschultz3301]

@@MrTerry Haven't seen it, but stars above, I hope that isn't true.

[@deanprowell7947]

@@josephschultz3301 It's a photo taken of the cast. Don't worry, it's not in the actual movie.

[@josephschultz3301]

@@deanprowell7947 Alright, that's cool. And thanks for the update, yo. Like I said, I haven't seen the movie yet (thought I'd like to), so I was a little afraid xD . As far as a cast photo goes, it's a fun enough gag, even though dabbing has already kind of gone out of style. Man, internet culture has ruined me. It's made me fear for a historical movie for Stars' sake!

[@deanprowell7947]

@@josephschultz3301 It did come out back when dabbing was still popular.

[@bami2]

21:00 maybe listen a bit before laughing. Notable phrases are "In the 70s" and "war games". That does not mean a video game, it means anything from a logistical planning scenario involving the general staff to a full-blown military exercise involving hundreds of thousands of men.

[@super_heavy_battleship4205]

Thinking that dunkirk was an evacuation allowed by the germans is disrespectful to those who where there IMO.

[@julius855]

Heh... Thats actually kinda true

[@bigmanroadman3910]

Also it’s just brain dead. Like I get that the nazis had really stupid opinions and stuff but they’re not dumb enough to just let the enemy escape unharmed. Unless those people think that the nazis were expecting a battle of Hastings style feigned retreat and didn’t attack because of that but if they were we would probably know by now and also I doubt they would consider that because they had 0 reason to. Also yeah I agree it’s extremely disrespectful considering what the survivors must have gone through.

[@CircusFoxxo]

"Thanks in part to some tablet boys" can't believe you let that Adolfium (crystal methamphetamine) reference slide by ya Mister Terry

[@thoughtfulinsanity3050]

That was actually an extra from the movie dunkirk dabbing. Not actually from 1940.

[@Brusselpicker]

I think you may find that war gaming on a serious military level actually plays a major part in planning both military operations and war plans.

[@Rentta]

Still waiting for solider who fought in 3 armies reaction :P

[@0lionheart]

I don't normally like reaction videos, but I like how you actually add and build on what's discussed in the video.

[@henrikkjuus90]

When I wrote my bachelor, I happened to read that the escape at Dunkirik had nothing to do with Hitler, or at least he wasn't very involed. The halt of the german advance was at the order of Rundstedt, I believe (or Guderian, two years since I read this), who wanted to prepare a full assault for the final offensive, not expecting so many troops to escape. Manstein argued strongly to continue the offensive, bit was overruled by Hitler in favor of Rundstedt who was the commanding officer. After the escape at Dunkirk, Hitler framed the blunder as an olive branch to the british, who themselves as were a germanic (anglo-saxon) people, and claimed this would ingratiate Britain to the german negotiating position further down the line.

[@smithnwesson990]

That was a MASSIVE mistake. If Hitler continues the Panzers he could have taken Dunkirk since the British were demoralized and running out of supplies and backed up to the sea. Taking that changes the whole game

[@timgotz9376]

The real reason was, that Göring told Hitler he could take them out with the Lufwaffe, so the Infantry could concentrate their push into france

[@alganhar1]

@@smithnwesson990 Not all the British were demoralised, though some units were, a very significant part of the perimeter force holding the approaches to Dunkirk to allow those on the Beaches to be lifted off were British. You could also forgive the German High Command for not realising what would occur, because at the start of Operation Dynamo not even the Royal Navy thought they could pull so many men out of Dunkirk. The most optimistic assessments were maybe 80,000 men without equipment, and more likely down around 40,000. Instead they pulled out over 400,000 men almost half of whom were French (something many like to forget). Absolutely no one, including the Royal Navy, even thought that was possible at the start of the operation, certainly the German High Command had no idea that the RN was able to pull not only the entire BEF off the beaches at Dunkirk but also a full Army worth of French troops. Before Dunkirk it was literally thought impossible to remove that many men from a town without a functioning Port by pretty much everybody. The German High Command had every reason to expect that they did in fact have the time to gather up, resupply and rearrange their forces for a final operation to force the British and French troops around Dunkirk to surrender.

[@haroldsutton9170]

Germany could have easily pushed their advance and prevented the Allies retreat to England except Germany's supply lines were stretched thin and subject to attacks, equipment needing repairs/maintenance, as well as soldier's needing rest. My comment was entered prior to watching and was pleased to see the video repeat what I just typed.

[@christiandauz3742]

Tank crews need to rest and the tanks themselves need maintenance and new parts Urban areas are great killzones against tanks Dunkirk is much more successful

[@mrpyromaniac675]

Germany may have lost ww2 but there recovery as a nation even after being split into separated states to an economic powerhouse in Europe is pretty extraordinary

[@weik-2936]

Its always more profitable to be peaceful

[@MkZuO12345]

Being pumped shitload of american dollars is the reason.

[@chillaxo9863]

@@MkZuO12345 That you have to pay back with interest*

[@austinmiller9467]

That's the power of German engineering

[@albertwesker3299]

GERMAN TECHNOLOGY IS THE G R E A T E S T

[@lordmordred33]

In both parts you suggest that japaneses where so smart in no being involved with the USSR, and in both parts the guy says what really happened, wich it's the opposite. Japan really tried to attack USSR before getting involved with US. What happened next it's that Stalin and the high command of the soviet army send and obscure officer with the task to deal with this nuisance while they try to keep containing the nazis invasion. So this pretty unknown colonel goes to east, summon every men and piece of equipment they could reach and launch a massive counterattack wich culminated with a totally japanese defeat at the battle of Khalkhin Gol. After this serious dissaster the army faction loose prestige inside the military staff and government ranks of Japan empire in favor of the navy faction... the next move it's easy to predict... Pearl Harbour... By the way, who was this colonel, promoted to general because his victory at this campaign and later to Marshall of the Soviet Union? Nobody really important and for sure nobody that have learned one lesson of two about how to succesfully perfom a massive counterattack... it just was Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov. The same Zhukov that a couple years later was ordered to command the defense of Stalingrad, and later the soviet offensive against the nazis.

[@joaquingarciameschio9582]

I saw on a video in Spanish where the creator analizes and concludes that wasn't just about resources, but also and mainly about a late mobilisation of the country. The channel is "GmitU"

[@tibbygaycat]

However mobilization wasn't really possible either. They had such short manpower that they needed to put their workforces on the front lines.

[@joaquingarciameschio9582]

@@tibbygaycat late mobilisation of workers too

[@strategist40k86]

Some other Potential History videos I would like to suggest are his “Pacific” and “Operation Barbarossa” series.

[@ZeFluffyKnight]

The dabbing picture was from the BTS of the Dunkirk Movie if I recall correctly.

[@reiakari]

It is. It is to the credit of everyone who worked on the project that it looked interchangeable with actual photos from that time period.

[@marcoboscarol2420]

That Medal of Honor 1 loading screen and music bring back memories. MOH Underground still the best of the series XD

[@loonboy1996]

These what if scenarios always bring up one question in my mind. Why would you want the nazis to win?!

[@yoridyse5411]

its just kind of thinking of ways other factions could win not WANTing them to win

[@henkschrader4513]

Okay why do people make horror movies do they want to get murdered or be scared for their life? why do we make shooter games do we want to kill others? Other words you just made the most stupid point i have ever seen... btw if you still don't know the answer for that question than ill answer it for you😂

[@michaelzheng5250]

18:44 When the Soviets did finally declare war on Japan on 8 August 1945, the Kwantung Army was demolished by the Far East Red Army

[@michaelzheng5250]

Stephen Jenkins The Kwantung Army was weaker than before, but it is still one of the best armies on the Asian continent, still making advances and large encirclement of the National Revolutionary Army all the way up until 1945.

[@michaelzheng5250]

Stephen Jenkins The Kwantung Army was not affected by the Pacific campaign or even the Burma Campaign as it was solely the Japanese Army in China, and it kept most of its strength during the war, being largely unaffected by Japan’s losses against the British Raj and the United States

[@Thehazardcat]

@Dwarov 1 You need sources bruh, otherwise, this is just your opinion

[@Thehazardcat]

@Dwarov 1 The Japanese inflicted heavy losses on the Chinese and were until that point, one of the only forces containing mechanised divisions. You wouldn't call the US army rubbish just because they couldn't take out the Viet Cong, would you? Saying such a statement ignores the reality of the situation and completely discards action such as fire-bombing and so on. Similarly calling the Japanese Army a joke is a bit inaccurate.

[@cristianlopez-mendez537]

By 1945 Japan was fighting two fronts and were stretched out beyond belief. They were fighting in Asia and the Americans in the islands around them, also the navy. They were easy pickings for the soviets by then.

[@santiagomachado7378]

Just found this channel in my recommended tab. I'm hooked now. Also, congrats on exactly 100k subs!

[@charthezombiehound8952]

Soldier dabbing in photograph: it's actually a photograph from the "Dunkirk" movie set i't not from 1932, it was taken in 2016.

[@lawaern3474]

16:00 Reminds me of MnB warband. In MnB warband there are several factions, most are kingdoms, but there is a khanate and a principality there too. In the game it is possible for two nations to enter a truce. But that truce is essentially just an agreement to not hit eachother, so that each member can hit other people before returning to hit eachother.

[@leilagorrilla4842]

for the butterlord ! xD

[@lawaern3474]

@@leilagorrilla4842 For the butter we charge. Even when the rhodoks have a hill!

[@CallMeRito]

I cant wait until he watches Girls und Panzers

[@charliebann5605]

Oh god

[@plzfixwolves955]

No

[@shastealyomeal]

No

[@Erika-gn1tv]

Yes

[@CallMeRito]

@@Erika-gn1tv Und das heißt

[@MotherSoren]

Invicta actually did a video about the US Navy war college and it wasn't video games it was actual people and strategy n what not, so I assume it was the same for the Brits

[@icecold1805]

23:50 the absolute madlad, you left all the sponsor in, instead of just ending the video there. Man of honor.

[@mahmoud6843]

Whenever I think of WW2, ons of my main thoughts was how ineffective Italy was in WW2. If Italy had been less of a pushover, Germany might not have had to stretch their forces to Africa and focused more on Europe. It wouldnt have helped but the war would’ve lasted longer.

[@Ahalaya]

Honestly, the only things I can imagine changing the outcome are extreme changes (not necessarily ones that are completely out of character, but still extreme), and even those don't make any guarantees. It really was a losing battle for the Axis.

[@pudgeboyardee32]

I love how people trash commenting now just because there's a record. We've said dumber stuff

[@garywordsworth9302]

Operation Sealion - The One German preparation Exercise One single main exercise was carried out, just off Boulogne. Fifty vessels were used, and to enable the high command observers to actually observe , the exercise was carried out in broad daylight. (The real thing was due to take place at night/dawn). The vessels marshalled about a mile out to sea, and cruised parallel to the coast. The armada turned towards the coast (one barge capsizing, and another losing its tow) and approached and landed. The barges opened, and soldiers swarmed ashore. However, it was noted that the masters of the boats let the intervals between the vessels become wider and wider, because they were scared of collisions. Half the barges failed to get their troops ashore within an hour of the first troops, and over 10% failed to reach the shore at all. The troops in the barges managed to impede the sailors in a remarkable manner - in one case, a barge overturned because the troops rushed to one side when another barge "came too close". Several barges grounded broadside on, preventing the ramp from being lowered. In this exercise, carried out in good visibility, with no enemy, in good weather, after travelling only a short distance, with no navigation hazards or beach defences, less than half the troops were got ashore where they could have done what they were supposed to do. The exercise was officially judged to have been a "great success" Take into account the real landings would have used tugs to tow 2 flat bottomed barges each for 30 hours, at a max speed of 3 knots into tidal currents of 5 knots at times once it changed against them, Under attacks from the Raf and Royal Navy where even the wake of a close passing Destroyer would be enough to turn turtle a flat bottomed Rhine barge, It would be a miracle if 10% of the proposed invasion force even made it to the beaches.

[@stratant.8722]

When I started learning about WW2, I used to wonder how didn't germany win WW2 but the more I learn about WW2 the more I realize how screwed Germany actually was.

[@christiandauz3742]

Had Germany gone to war with Czechoslovakia they would be too weak to beat Poland The Allies/Soviets then curbstomp the Axis

[@Tepid24]

Some people have already mentioned it in the comments, but "War Games" in this context refers to the weeks or months long simulations of war done by Officers and military advisors in order to get at least a general idea of what risks and opportunities could come up in a theoretical conflict.

[@NephritduGrey]

Hm, while an interesting topic it would probably require a lot of changes to alter the history enough to change the outcomes in a meaningful way. Like if the carriers had been at Pearl Harbor and how the pacific war might have progressed differently to the Battle of Midway turning out in an opposite way etc etc. Same for all the other things like the decisions for wartime production and demands set. Or if the italians wouldn't be so unsuccessful in north africa how that had changed things, or if the axis took malta (iirc). There are so many tactical and strategic points to consider where A influences B which in turn influences C but not D but if A had failed then it would get along etc. So yeah, one can never say for a certainty that things would always turn out as it did. But yeah for Germany to win, however that victory would look like a lot would need to be different and it likely wouldn't be a total victory too as even a step by step instead of all at once would be unfeasible due to nuclear weapons appearing sooner or later and that would alter the "game" on quite a few levels again too.

[@davidburroughs7068]

Great point about let's define winning, in this context. Usually a victory condition seems clear now, but most people win enough and then move on to the next hot contest. Winning, as they thought of it and were willing to accept may not be perfectly clear to us with our remove.

[@Emperroroffire]

"People said Nazi Germany and USSR were allies. No, they were not." -so! Fucking! True! They definitely were not allies.

[@Renousim]

What.

[@Emperroroffire]

@@Renousim My bad. Didn't read my own comment with enough attention before posting it.

[@adamdesouza6153]

The Japanese thought that though, which is why co operation was off the table after Molotov Ribbentrop

[@warrmalaski8570]

According to a documentary on P.B.S., I believe it was a " Secrets of the dead ep" abut the British ww2 spy ops. The Germans didn't think it was posable to make an atomic bomb smaller than your basement. And where at least 12 years behind the U.S. at the end of the war.

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

“Just be a better artist”

[@CapitalTeeth]

FYI That dab is actually a picture taken with the extra's from the Dunkirk movie.

[@TeamOT]

Y'know how else they could have won WWII? If they had actually found and harnessed the power of the Tesseract.

[@wateriestfire]

Well the Red Skull tried using it but he was over ran by US troops along with Captain America

[@Novac_Alexandru]

cool video and reaction man! Big like.

[@diegonatan6301]

There is a serious discussion in a video from Military History Visualized that talks about Germany going for North Africa instead of Russia. It is called Afrika Corps 6 Months Early - Alternate History, there they talk about a possibility of Germany winning this way. Another possibility would be if the Germans didn't spend so much resources on Rzhev. That was the place where most men and equipment was sent, even during Fall Blau and Stalingrad.

[@weik-2936]

Germany didn't want anything to do with N. Africa, they went in there to bail out the Italians, it had nothing they wanted, and the Germans still had chronic supply problems there since their transports had to deal with the Royal Navy in the Mediterranean

[@mgeiger2341]

@@weik-2936 Uh, the Suez Canal is not important? I'm gonna need some citations on that one.

[@efeghilmffdsee5216]

@@mgeiger2341 Ah yes, the infamous plan to put the entire panzer army into North Africa, run out of fuel, and die. I'm sure Germany would have won amazingly if only you were amongst the General Staff.

[@christiandauz3742]

WW2 ends much earlier and with more Axis casualties

[@kolinmartz]

The dab was actually extras from the movie Dunkirk.

[@bucket1442]

USA after ww1: We wont get involved into another European conflict. USA after ww2: WORLD POLICE

[@gamelandmaster3680]

8:37 I looked at pictures of this man dabbing and saw that the website Snoopes shows that this picture was edited or made from scratch. I still think that whoever made that did an AMAZING job though.

[@memes4u378]

Fun fact: 30% of Nazis couldn't turn on their gas stove in 1936 Germany were using gas for the wrong thing 💀

[@senatuspopulusqueromanus3011]

WW2 is also still pretty recent, so a lot of the information is readily available and accessible.

[@androzani]

"Is there any worse place on the internet than KZbin comments?" Well, Yahoo comes to mind. At least these websites have a sense of humor. Yahoo is just cold.

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

I feel one of the most overlooked situations is just that modern countries (20th century and beyond) would have no way to win conventional war where the objective is invade/defeat/win without the war is being completely isolated to strictly two sides with no other entities interested in the international outcome one way or the other. Even if Germany were to have 'won', what were they really winning? Delaying a future rife with extreme international backlash? There's just no time-line short of complete global dominance that would have seen them outrunning the international consequences indefinitely. They were always going to lose the moment they spilled the conflict into occupational campaigns and would have all suffered tremendous global repercussions even if their victory had remained exclusively within borders/kept internal.

[@_chew_]

Germany could have won if they gave their soldiers sword pommels. Then they could end the allies rightly.

[@Kissamiess]

And put crenelations with machilocations on their bunker walls.

[@gabriel300010]

Also japan should have kept making katanas in the traditional way, that way they could just slice the American ships in half

[@golubayaakula1685]

Holy heck, i'm surprised this meme is still alive!

[@wolverine338]

When they meant war-gamed. They actually meant a re-enactment of how such a battle would have gone. With the attacking team and general drawing up invasion plans, and the defenders setting up how to defend the coast. So when he said they war-gamed how an invasion of Britain would have gone, they took into account the size of the navies at the time, as well as other factors and planned an attack/ defense accordingly. It's the same thing the US does with its allies in the pacific.

[@geennaam555]

There's one thing nobody talks about: "what if France had defeated Germany?"

[@perciblejames268]

Would require french conscription which could have lead to mass protest and potentially a civil war.

[@SpiralingUniverses]

Why didn't I think of that?...Man

[@mrbyzantine0528]

Just have the competent generals act without discretion from the central government.

[@Quickshot0]

It's been commented on before, but the French governments between the two wars were super paranoid about their army. Which made them greatly hinder any proper military build up until it was to late to have a major advantage on the Germans. But yes, if the interwar French weren't the interwar French, they totally could have had the Germans there.

[@oliverlemley9343]

impossible

[@Alte.Kameraden]

OMG I just realized he said David Irving books. I couldn't stop laughing. XD

[@buddyburroughs6072]

It may no longer be the truth now but at the time one of the biggest truths was no one beats the British on the sea. Right behind only an idiot gets in a land war in asia. Japan had been fighting china for a few years before WWII even started and while they captured a good bit of land they couldn't really take and hold much more plus they were having to import a lot of food just to maintain occupation. Plus even if germany didnt need to invade russia for the resources it was as he said only a matter of time before stalin invaded germany stalin was way to paranoid not to.

[@philipkelly7369]

there's a strong argument to be made that the Japanese invasion and occupation of Manchuria didn't happen before WWII, but was in fact the start of WWII

[@Jon_Fury]

Time traveler makes it through dunkirk and gives a celebratory dab. The first dab caught on film.

[@forgottenfamily]

Here's what I'll say about the poll: there's a giant difference between "nearly impossible" and "impossible". We are conditioned to be hesitant towards the latter.

[@TheLibermania]

Interesting enough, where i grew up the Ribbentrop - Molotov Pact was known as the (translated): German-Soviet Border and Friendship pact. So Hitler and Stalin were friends. My schoolbooks taught me so :D

[@JJ-kd5st]

Please check out either the Justinian and Theodora or The First Crusade series’ by Extra Credits! Also please watch the Lies episodes! Thanks!

[@alganhar1]

To put the Naval disparity in the Channel into perspective, at the time of the Battle of Britain, the Kreigsmarine had 3 Cruisers and 4 Destroyers ready for sea. Just a few months before, during the invasion of Norway the Germans had lost half of their destroyer force. Not half of the force committed, but literally half of their entire Destroyer force. In contrast the Royal Navy had, in British waters alone (and not including powerful forces elsewhere), 7 Battleships, 2 Aircraft Carriers, 30 cruisers and around 100 destroyers. The Royal Navy had as many *battleships* as the Germans had total surface ships available at the time they were starting to plan Sealion. Let that sink in. To make matters worse the RAF did not need to win air superiority over Britain or the Channel, they only had to maintain a state of contested airspace. The most effective anti shipping aircraft Germany had available at the time was the Ju 87 Stuka. During the first two weeks of the Battle of Britain the Luftwaffe had lost a quarter of its Ju 87 strength, the casualties were so high the Luftwaffe pulled them out of the battle after two weeks. In a contested airspace the Ju 87 was a sitting duck against a competant air defence system, and Britain had, at the time, the only fully integrated Radar led air defence system in the world. Add to this the often overlooked fact that in September of 1940 the RAF actually had more fighters and fighter pilots than it had at the *start* of the Battle of Britain and you can see the Luftwaffe has a bit of a problem. Many people state the RAF was close to exhaustion, and it likely was, but it is a very real fact that the Luftwaffe was actually *closer* to breaking when the Battle was called off than the RAF was. The Luftwaffe was certainly not able to replace either air frames or pilots to the degree the British were able to. EDIT: And wargaming scenarios is almost as old as warfare, though the modern version is somewhat more recent, being based on systems pioneered by the prussian Army in the 19th Century as they set up their Staff Officer training. Wargaming is a well developed method not only of testing out possible scenarios, but also training for high level officers and staff officers without going through the expense and disruption of moving entire armies about in the real world. Of course, this comes with the caveat that the more realistic the rules the more realistic the results, certainly in one case the japanese rewrote the rules of a wargame to get the result they wanted, which is one of the reasons they decided to actually engage at Midway (they made the assumption the IJN would spot the USN first in all eventualities, which did not happen!).

[@vy1922]

I was one of the people that thought germany could of won, but i didnt know that germany had a shortage of gasoline

[@weik-2936]

chronic shortage, I mean look at Britain, by this point they had spent the last hundred years securing resources around the world, Gemrnay only started in the 1880s, and then lost them 30 years later

[@theflyingpig6361]

They had shortages of everything literally

[@weik-2936]

@@theflyingpig6361 But wat about mah wunderwaffen?

[@darklordaranyx2467]

You ever played Hoi4?

[@djangounrivaled1278]

That just shows that people don't research shit before they start typing

[@canineuniversity1015]

I'd love to hear you and TiK and PH do a collab!

[@endersdragon34]

Please react to South Sea Bubble from Extra Credits... it is nuts! lol P.S. before you ask, I AM THE WALPOLE!

[@baltoflyer7503]

(19:00) This is an important point, because it is often taught (at least In my experience) that Hitler didn't want the U.S. involved and that the Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor kind of screwed Germany and that Germany reluctantly declared war shortly after, because of an agreement with Japan.

[@hiukas.]

I think it's fair to say that a victory condition for the axis is an allied surrender or an allied peace deal with the axis.

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

21:11 He said that the war game was in the seventies so it wasn't a video game it was a figure wargame.

[@benselectionforcasting4172]

Reddit isn't bad, well there are some bad parts, but that's like everywhere

[@EJW2]

It really is bad though. Source: I use reddit

[@chadthundercock4806]

readonlypdf literally every major sub is garbage

[@benselectionforcasting4172]

that's default subs, I personally hate them. /r/NFL, /r/HistoryMemes, /r/Bowling are all fun

[@Tubeman244]

A video game & battle simulator are 2 completely different things. A battle simulator gathers as much data, statistics, tactics, & variables from the opponents in question then produces outcomes based on that data.

[@Corvid_19.]

the only way Germany could have won is if they weren't even in the war

[@jeremyeliades6162]

Honestly love the content man

[@bolt3039]

Maybe germany wouldve won if they had magically more oil

[@erincarter942]

my Grandfather- who flew B17s during the war from an English Airbase- would hardly be happy with asserting that the luftwaffe let them go

[@matthewpalevsky6080]

Hey Mr. Terry, can you watch the cynical historians video on woodrow Wilson and why hes the worst u.s president ever? It would be really interesting to hear your opinion!

[@codymay2870]

You should react to his tank meme videos. They are very informative as well.

[@solinvictus2132]

Ww1: germans creates the soviets Ww2: germans wrecked by the soviets

[@actanonverba3041]

SWEDISH MEATBALL americans**

[@solinvictus2132]

avocadodab a bit of both. The allies would have won the war regardless of the Americans involvement, they just spend the progress is the west up

[@whydoineedaname11]

@@actanonverba3041 America had very little to do with the inevitability of Germany's fall. They sped up the pace and probably saved a couple million Russian lives by opening the Italian and Normandy fronts, but Russia was going to take down Germany no matter what, and something around 90% of German forces fought against Russia, not the US or Britain.

[@tibbygaycat]

@@whydoineedaname11 The American lend lease was very important however, and the Nazis had to reserve some troops to the middle East and North Africa and weren't able to get their oil from there instead of the Caucasus. They were blocked off from trade with others, and lacked backing of the west against the Soviets. I figure they could have won even without any support but the West did do a lot to help restrict then from outside help.

[@whydoineedaname11]

@@tibbygaycat As I said, the western allies helped speed up the war, but didn't really contribute to its inevitable end. That end was ensured as soon as Germany invaded Russia. Yes, had America and/or Britain gone against their cultural beliefs, one or both might have joined with Germany, but you might as well say penguins flying to the arctic would have changed the outcome. That just wasn't going to happen.

[@LordofAoD]

The dab is actually from the set of Christopher Nolan's "Dunkirk".

[@bobbybalogne2565]

8:32 proof of time travel,, some crazy sob went back in time to the ww2 era and dabbed on everyone

[@21mazter70]

You should also react to Military History Visualized he made an old video on Hitler's decision to declare war on the US. He also has lots of great videos about variety of topics on ww2

[@zapy9715]

Germany in WW2: Gets absolutely steamrolled by the rest of the world. Germany post WW2: Hey France wanna be super friends forever and make a European confederation? France: What could go wrong! German Dominated EU: Oh yeah, it's all coming together

[@jeltje50]

It was actually the Benelux that was the main reason the eu became a thing.

[@Quickshot0]

@@jeltje50 France actually, I've heard Germany had to join the EU at that to get recognition and such in general. Of course the claim Germany totally dominates the EU is nonsensical anyway, not with most decisions needing a unanimous vote.

[@agentc7020]

@@Quickshot0 not totally nonsensical if you ask me, germany is at the top of the EU (france is a close second) and while they don't rule with an iron fist they still have a large backing that most EU countries could only dream of, the only two that i could say are toe and toe with germany are the UK and france and the UK is about to leave

[@Quickshot0]

@@agentc7020 It has the most influence, yes. But it's hard to get around that pretty much any decision that matters needs either unanimity or a qualified majority (which is something like 80% voting in favor), so it really doesn't take much in smaller countries to frustrate things if they really didn't like something. Even beyond that Germany is but a fraction of the total EU population, so even in that they aren't really as dominant as one might think. Especially as some of the 'smaller' counties have surprisingly large populations of their own still. Beyond that Spain and Italy are far closer in scale to France and Germany then one might think. Basically, it's probably best to not underestimate the other remaining countries to much, they still very much matter. This is why EU decisions are typically very much compromises to keep everyone some what happy. And most new EU rules due to this are pretty much passed with unanimous agreement.

[@agentc7020]

@@Quickshot0 Spain and Italy don't seem like much in my book, they're countries with not the best economies and not the best armies either but you might be right about most of what you said, however I still believe germany sits at the top of the EU

[@shadowlucario7125]

"Wait is that guy dabbing?" -Me everytime someone sneezes

[@wahlabear8673]

Germany didn’t win because their divisions weren’t 20 combat width

[@onionbreath002]

Lol, the dabbing picture is actually one of the Dunkirk film set, not an actual photo.

[@LordBaldur]

The thing is that this war was about Germany vs Russia. Everyone else got dragged in. That alone is the problem because one side has way more resources.

[@TheCsel]

I disagree. The war was as much a conflict between France and Germany, since France was enforcing the Versailles Treaty during global economic depression and previously humiliated Germany with military occupation in the Ruhr. While NAZI propoganda blamed Soviets and Jews with the loss of WW1, what really got people on board with supporting the NAZI Party was the promise of restoring German economy and prestige.

[@karsentube13yt]

I can’t believe that Stalin actually made a toast to Hitler’s health.

[@GwenS320]

Germany could have won! If they had formed an alliance with the alien space bats that have been montoring earth for decades waiting for the right moment to swoop in and steal all of our friut and everyones left sock.