MRTV Experience: Marco Tries Out The (Improved) Bigscreen Beyond!

Welcome to another MRTV Experience report! Marco came over to the MRTV HQ in order to check out the improved Bigscreen Beyond! In this videos you will find out about his very first impressions!
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[@lurchilurch5507]

Marco is an amazing addition to the channel! Hope he stays involved.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yes!

[@ahmed_mohamed_alamer]

This headset is the future another level of clarity in picture and comfortable in playing

[@kikaida03]

I LOVE it when two reviewers are in one place, cuz they bounce ideas off each other, and more insights come up. Same with the Matteo311 and Brad one, when two reviewers are in a room, so many new ideas come out, great stuff!!!!!!

[@khaledassaf6356]

To be fair, the Matteo and Brad review of the Crystal didn't feel professional at all. It felt more akin to two redditors validating each other on why they hate a device as opposed to giving a balanced review.

[@CognosSquare]

Thanks guys.

[@DMan-ud6bt]

It's my understanding that the use of pancake lenses is the cause of the minimal brightness. The panels are likely producing very high brightness, but those lenses are reflecting the light so much before the light reaches the eyes that it looks dim. This is where aspheric lenses could be better. My first priority is also increased sharpness, but increasing FOV is close behind. Those are the two areas I look for improvement from the Index. The audio is the glaring issue for me with this and other HMDs. It's not a difficult thing to know what would make a proper upgrade. Combine the following, and you're there: Much higher resolution with RGB stripe arrangement, uOLED panels if possible and local dimming if not, aspheric lenses, larger FOV than Index, and Valve off-ear audio solution. Ideally, also include driver-level DFR via eye tracking. It doesn't have to be the lightest thing ever to be more comfortable; lightness isn't a bad goal to have - just can't come at the cost of so many things. To be clear, this small software company did an amazing job with their first HMD. Just hope for more from someone soon, and even from Bigscreen in the future.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Pancake lenses do waste about 85% of the light yes, and OLED panels have limited output... unlike LCD where you can boost the backlight.

[@ThatReplicant]

Preordered it last week. It will be my first VR headaet that i plan to get with the valve base stations and controllers. Almost $2000, but i'm hoping to get some really good use out of it for at least 7 years. Hyped for Alyx, RE7, Boneworks, Pavlov, Red Matter and more. I think with Quest 3 on the way, we should start to see more AAA games like Alyx

[@RabbitConfirmed]

Bruh, if this is your first VR headset then this will be the most mind blowing experience ever for you! It'll be amazing!!

[@tasmania9576]

Nice one!

[@OxOlong]

Nice😁the Posters in the Background😍 Beat saber, super hot, Astro bot😍😍

[@MassDefibrillator]

Funny you mention an overheating issue limiting the brightness. Sadlyitsbradly tested the earlier prototype at 200% brightness, on a full white setting, and the headset crashed. So there definitely could be issues there was cooling at the extremes. However, at 200% brightness, the persistence is getting very high as well, so that's another limit. Ultimately, the problem is that pancake lenses drastically reduce the brightness getting to your eye because of all the focal length folding they do with switching polarities in the light; Every time they need to polarise the light, you reduce the brightness by half.

[@dominicisidore]

Mrtv seemed SOO nervous about what his guest would say and how he was acting lol. Like “we don’t run this channel like this.” 😂 but good video

[@mixedrealityTV]

No, you misread me, I had a bottle of beer next to me and I was really thirsty but forced myself not to drink during the recording.

[@dominicisidore]

@@mixedrealityTV lmao OHHH I see. Like watching it I got anxiety from your glances. But I see now.

[@YashrajThakor06]

@@mixedrealityTV Sometimes It’s really hard to control your mind ! But eventually when you do it. it turns out to be great

[@mixedrealityTV]

@@YashrajThakor06 it is!

[@YashrajThakor06]

@@mixedrealityTV Any videos on meta quest 3 please much hyped and most needed any information that isn’t obvious! That is internally leaked and confirmed…or anything like that

[@khaledassaf6356]

Love seeing you two together! Marco might've been a tiny bit too harsh on it, though, but I definitely agree with him on the gasket, especially as someone who lives in a hot and humid area.

[@XeonX__ASMR__METAL-experiments]

Add the knucles and make it little bigger (because of scanners)

[@johnmann7o2]

If only we can get pico 5 with improved 2560x2560 panels and with DisplayPort option.

[@moncimoov]

still not going to beat bsb, for comfort

[@wesbarfog]

For the nose, I think Tyriel Wood dig into the face gasket to make it more confortable. He also had pressure on the nose I hope they'll improve their face gasket making process .... ( and for a more polished touch )

[@paulus1412]

Does marco have a channel for VR with some simracing/flying content? Would love to see more for that specific genre in VR :)

[@zigrat3802]

Great discussion. Marco, the comment you made about the optics and color shifting starting at 15:30 are EXACTLY describing the problem I have with the Pimax Crystal. I take it you do NOT have these problems with Crystal, but you do have it with it with Bigscreen? I am trying to figure out is my Pimax crystal defective?

[@Henningdale]

Same here! I dont hear any reviewer talking about that problem with the crystal but it is close to a dealbreaker for me. Is mine defective or what?

[@kevinbrook7033]

@@Henningdale Paradise Decay wasn't impressed with the Crystal. He said he had better clarity in the Quest Pro, most likely due to the optics. I've not used the Crystal but I've heard that you have to be right in the sweet spot for aspheric lenses to be clear, a slightly incorrect IPD or too high/low on your face will distort the image.

[@williamgeorge5049]

Great video. Can you turn up the brightness to make it better?

[@mixedrealityTV]

We are on 100% brightness. There is a super bright mode but that comes with persistence blur.

[@shazmunchdylbertoid]

will the beyond have keyboard tracking, making it suitable for a vr workstation?

[@SargonDragon]

When running in 90Hz mode, is the resolution constrained to 1920x1920? There are conflicting sources on this. It will be using DSC either way. But is it also having to upscale to 2560x2560 on the device or not?

[@miker230]

Yes it is

[@BB-qp5xo]

I’d buy upgrade from VP2 if the BSB had wireless.

[@Obijuan02]

Wow! Ominous.

[@funplaymix7710]

Can you play any games using a keyboard and mouse instead with the headset?

[@ekinshuya]

no one mention how watching videos and 4k movies is compared to actual oled tv watching movies

[@katstutrakatsturatorren]

nice interview. sad he didnt rly compare it to crystal properly

[@p1st0ls44]

Those are basically completely different product catagories

[@kevinbrook7033]

Do you feel Marco's negative response to the optics was in part due to it being a facial interface made for Sebastian?

[@DMan-ud6bt]

When I listen to his explanation about the blurriness and color shifts at the edges of the displays, it becomes clear that the primary issues are the small FOV putting those issues well within his view as he moves his eyes around combined with the inherent issues of the pancake lenses. It didn't sound like the issues were due to the wrong facial interface shape.

[@kevinbrook7033]

@@DMan-ud6bt his IPD might be different from Sebastian;s as well. I skipped the first few minutes of the video to get to his thoughts so not sure if they mentioned IPD's or not?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Nope, I have the exact same problems.

[@johnmann7o2]

One thing that wasn’t discussed, how is the pancake lenses of the beyond compare to pico 4 or quest pro?

[@mixedrealityTV]

@@johnmann7o2 both Quest Pro and Pico 4 have better lenses.

[@davidzx692]

This was a very good video. I would compare it to a good and bad policeman on the interrogation. 😂 Too positive Sebastian and too pesimistic Marco. With this combination we are getting a really honest review.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Haha, I dont think Marco is too negative or I am too positive. :) Just a good team.

[@FjrnVR]

He made it look bad, but it's not made for him.

[@tomlawson3157]

Perhaps he was a funderal director in his last life!

[@5updates686]

But does your friend have the same ipd as you? If not, then that can explain some of the clarity issues.

[@mixedrealityTV]

He has exactly same IPD. Also I have the same clarity issues.

[@MrAnthonyfrench]

I think the gasket is 3D printed maybe ? i haven't seen one close but if it has stripes on it then that's a clue. It is possible to print with softer materials also if i remember correctly.

[@tomlawson3157]

These are custom made 'masks' that are made from direct facila scans, are they not sho how could then 'NOT' be 3d printed

[@mostwanted2000]

Which is Marco's channel? I was curious to see his opinion on Quest Pro because he had very sincere opinion also about Aero and B&B. You guys are the greatest! Loved to see your trip to America.

[@kevinbrook7033]

I know he hated it at launch, which is still weird to me as I can't use any other headset now. The lenses are best in class, QLED and local dimming are great, the open design with no facial interface and an IR illumintor is super immersive, and it has the best inside out tracking, controllers and haptics. I think the only headset upgrade that interests me currently is Quest Pro 2 if/when that releases.

[@mostwanted2000]

Let's hope Quest 3 will have local dimming 🥶

[@kevinbrook7033]

@@mostwanted2000 it's just a single panel LCD sadly.

[@mostwanted2000]

You mean simple LED and not QLED? I thought they will have the same panel as QuestPro but with almost Pico4 resolution. What do you mean single panel? One panel shared for both eyes, or one panel per eye?

[@Wolf0103]

@@mostwanted2000one panel shared. Which in my opinion is often overlooked when people argue about the higher resolution compared to Quest pro. I bought the quest pro via Amazon so I knew I could return it quite easily but I kept it. And now I do not need any other headsets for a while. PC via cable is also more than enough for me. The open design is more useful than I expected it to be. And it is also the only Headset that has converted more of my friends to VR then any other headset I did show them.

[@tabloida]

It's really difficult to give this review any weight unfortunately. As far as I know the custom fit face gasket is essential to getting the full tailored experience, so for all we know Marco could've had an increasingly lesser experience than he could've because of that fact :P

[@mixedrealityTV]

We have a similar face shape and even I see the same problems using the correct face gasket.

[@MrAminmohamed]

How is the picture compared to my odyssey +?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Better!

[@goofycart]

Would I like it coming from a quest 2,I notice a lot of glare in quest 2,is it about the same in bigscreen?

[@mixedrealityTV]

@@goofycart it's actually worse.

[@gregclare]

Your faces look so similar in shape, size, so it wasn’t surprised your custom gasket also fitted him okay. Then you said you had the same IPD, and I just thought.. Of course you do, you’re facial twins! 😏

[@TheHiddenTrueSecrets]

i don't understand how you like the reverb g2, it had the worst vertical fov of any headset i tried which destroyed the immersion, also the sweet spot was too small on it.

[@dtz1000]

Probably because the G2 has a lot brighter display and no one likes a dull screen. I will wait for the newer micro OLED displays to come out as they will be a lot brighter than this.

[@lavir74]

If you hate the vertical FOV of the g2 then you will totally despise the Beyond, give that it has lower vertical FOV (in fact much lower); it's like looking through a letterbox. Another issue not mentioned here is the persistence. If you hate motion blur in games you will not be able to stand the Beyond as persistence is an issue of mini-OLED.

[@ondrejicek123]

You can easily improve G2 FOV and also sweet spot by using custom face gasket which brings your eyes closer to the lenses. Night and day difference comparing to the default gasket.

[@TheHiddenTrueSecrets]

@@ondrejicek123 tried that, i also tried completely taking out the face gasket, the fov is still about the same as the screen it self is small i just end up seeing the border of the screen. My other headset is the original samsung odyssey and it’s got a very good fov in comparison, i’ve also tried many other headsets and the reverb g2 was the worst one because of that fov and lenses, it’s like looking through toilet paper rolls

[@kristinaF54]

I believe Germans should be making these because they would be engineered to complete perfection (only problem is, the headsets' price would become too expensive to buy unless you wanted to remortgage your house just to pay for them).

[@khaledassaf6356]

Or, at the very least, make the optics. Germany has some of the best optics manufacturers in the world.

[@moncimoov]

u guys just need an aircon..

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yes, that's the solution.

[@ytubeanon]

32:25 "I don't get why I need this headset" - pretty frustrating review, the fact they don't have air conditioning negates the #1 feature: comfort, with most headsets you get tired of its weight after around 45 minutes, with Bigscreen you can wear it indefinitely unless you are Germans without air conditioning for whom any headset would be uncomfortable

[@moncimoov]

yea😂 and the nose thing, it can be fixed with just a top strap

[@5updates686]

Your living in a country without air conditioning. What has the government done to the German people?

[@K11...]

I trust this channel.

[@FjrnVR]

Well, I keep seeing Reviewers paid by companies (in products or cash/gifts) to prompt up or slam others products, Sure he is allowed to like this or that more, But the Beyond it not fit for him, and since its nonadjustable its not like he will get the proper experience. You cant recommend a HMD that has the wrong settings for you when its a custom product? Running your IPD and sweet spot wrong? NO i dont think so, its a disindenuos review. He forgets to mention that. Its like Reviewing a custom set of clothing make for someone else. Yet Pimax has sent him 10 or so headsets and likley other stuff like GPU's, and he wants to keep um coming. I mean look at the Sony Mocapi paying creators up to 10 grand to say nice things and slam others, which suddenly changes everyone's mind this makes you a AD not a reviewer. If you can buy Thrill, you can buy Marco, and its a bad review cause its not built for him anyhow.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Thanks for watching and commenting. MRTV can't be bought, these are Marco's first impressions. He has same IPD as Sebastian and the face gasket also fits fine. That's the beauty of this channel, it's independent. You will simply hear our opinion. Just because it is not what YOU expect or hope for because you bought this product or because you are a fan of it does not mean that someone is bought or that you should publicly accuse a person of doing so. Because that is defamation. BTW, we have reached out to Bigscreen several times for a face gasket for Marco.

[@lassmirandadennsiewillja3943]

lets be honest. The only alternative is the Somnium VR1 wich is even more expensive. the crystal and its software is really not relevant to me. i would rather buy an 8kx from ebay. i dont throw 1500 at this chinese company