MSD 6014 VS Daytona Sensors Smart Spark LS FULL COMPARISON | SSLS Carb LS |

[@NightWrencher]

UPDATE #2: The SSLS Adapter Harness to go from a 6010/6012 Harness to the SSLS Box DOES WORK on the MSD 6014 Harness BUT IT HAS TO BE REPINNED. WIRE LOCATIONS ARE NOT THE SAME. Confirmed by Daytona Sensors Tech Line. Part # 119004 shop.daytonasensors.net/t/control-box-adapter-harness-smartspark

[@coolmo676]

Mines not strating up you think you no why

[@NightWrencher]

I would start by checking the basics. Did you just plug in the 2 plugs and try to start it?

[@coolmo676]

@@NightWrencher yea I did

[@NightWrencher]

@@coolmo676 you made sure the box has power and ground? Do the lights on the box light up?

[@coolmo676]

@@NightWrencher no don't no how it's no loose wires on the plug to run ground or postive

[@gdtengine3935]

Hooked up my 6014 box brand new due to its compatibility with my holley super sniper stealth and it will not read CTS nor will it give me a crank RPM signal on my handheld... spoke with Holley on phone troubleshooting the sniper for nearly 2hrs and the sniper is not the issue. Only thing left is the 6014... wish I'd have seen this video before I purchased. You put in a lot of hard work and info and I truly appreciate it.

[@NightWrencher]

Thanks man, I hope you are able to work it out!

[@chuckg3517]

A lot of good info thanks. Also watched the video of the SSLS running your 4.8 on the stand, using the rear cam sensor. Older videos, so curious to know if you ever switched to the front sensor? Or did it run fine on the rear? Building a 5.3 Gen 3. And trying to decide if I’ll keep the truck intake or switch to a carb setup. Part of me doesn’t want to deal with a lot of tuning. Then again, I would also need a 4L60E controller if I went with a carb.

[@NightWrencher]

I never ended up swapping, it just wasnt worth the money to me for something that already works. If you're running an auto, a 700r4/4L60 would be the easiest swap. Otherwise, you'll need a trans controller

[@xjbeater8638]

Does the daytona datalog like the msd?

[@NightWrencher]

It does, but I think the MSD logs better

[@xjbeater8638]

What about map sensor?. I didnt hear you go over that. I think the msd has a two bar if im correct.

[@NightWrencher]

The MSD uses an internal 2 bar map sensor that can not be serviced and the SSLS uses the stock 1 bar map but can be swapped to any other map sensor like the delphi 2, 2.5 and 3 bar map sensors

[@xjbeater8638]

@@NightWrencher thanks bro! Answered my question

[@NightWrencher]

Any time 👍

[@carllattimore8227]

What could be the issue with msd 6014 when you get exhaust afterfire? It's fine at idle but afterfires at raised rpm.

[@NightWrencher]

What do you mean exactly? Back fire through intake or exhaust?

[@carllattimore8227]

@@NightWrencher Backfire out the exhaust. It idles fine but begins to do this if you give it any throttle.

[@NightWrencher]

What does your wideband read? Rich or lean?

[@carllattimore8227]

No afr hooked up yet. Ran the same carburetor on a sbc 350 and distributor with no issue.

[@sharons9367]

Can’t wait to see once you have it all hooked up how it performs 🙂

[@NightWrencher]

Thank you! Pretty soon!

[@sharons9367]

@@NightWrencher msd stands for. My spark disappeared

[@NightWrencher]

@@sharons9367 🤣 oh man, ruthless

[@NightWrencher]

@@sharons9367 I got that run video posted! Check it out! Sounds great!

[@sharons9367]

@@NightWrencher ok thanks will do 🙂

[@Cubanmax6.6]

Mister 1 question : if i use this daytona box in a 4.8 3 gen engine with rear cam sensor will work well and just have issues with the start or wont work at all

[@NightWrencher]

It will work well, that what I have on my boosted 4.8 gen 3

[@Cubanmax6.6]

@@NightWrencher but i have email them and they said that wont work , and then i see yours working so i dont understand why they said wont with the rear cam sensor , man this msd shit have me crazy 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@claytonwhitehawk2252]

Does the MSD work with efi stuff? Or is it carb application only? Looking to get one for my bolt on LS1 with spray for my trans am. But unsure if it’ll work with the efi stock style intake

[@claytonwhitehawk2252]

Want two different tunes. One for motor (advanced) other one for nitrous (retarded) and on the fly if possible. Without having to do it manually

[@NightWrencher]

No, neither system can control EFI. You'll want to look at a different system for them

[@kevinkeeney3295]

Hey Kevin here I got a question for u. I recently just switched my carburetor to efi fi tech. On the theottle body efi I need a coil wire. By chance do u no how I can get a coil reading off the daytona smartspark that I'm running?? Or which wire I can tap into to get a reading off the fi tech throttle body

[@NightWrencher]

I am assuming the fitech system needs a coil wire to determine RPM so if that is the case, the smart spark produces a GM hei square wave rpm output that works with most Tachs and modules. I believe its a white wire.

[@kevinkeeney3295]

@NightWrencher it only has 3 wires for initial startup. The 3 wires are a tach which is blue. The black wire is a coil and red for power to battery. I have the tach wired to the daytona smartspark which was easy. Just don't no how to get a reading from coils itself

[@kevinkeeney3295]

So should I just splice the coil and tach wire from the throttle body efi to the white wire off the daytona tach wire and it should give me a reading?

[@kevinkeeney3295]

It says with external cdi box with timing control the black coil wire connects to points input wire from cdi box. If ur running a box without timing control its not used

[@NightWrencher]

Going by what the manual says, blue goes to tach and black is not used

[@vvvv-lu8zi]

Any update on this daytona set up?

[@NightWrencher]

I have several update videos on the channel. Theres a playlist for it as well. The newest update was from last year or the previous year.

[@gagedecker1382]

Does the Daytona kit have the tac wire?

[@NightWrencher]

Yes it does. It produces a standard GM square wave compatible with most after market tachs

[@ronnieenglish8241]

So how is the smart spark holding up. .

[@NightWrencher]

Flawless up til now. Did a 6 month review a few months back. Gonna do a 1 year review soon

[@ronnieenglish8241]

Which of the two would u recommend . I'm wanting to do a Ls carb swap. . Really appreciate your advice !!

[@NightWrencher]

Well, I had issues with the MSD but a lot of other havnt had issues but they also dont drive as much as I do so id say if you want something that youre gonna drive every once in a while, get the MSD, if youre gonna put a lot of miles on it, get the SSLS

[@mikef-gi2dg]

That was an interesting side by side comparison. I have been using MSD stuff for decades, and so far I have had good success. Sounds like bad results has soured you on MSD. If their (MSD) quality has dropped, it's completely understandable, when you lose faith in something, it's hard to get it back. I hope Daytona deliverers the Quality you EXPECT, that would be a great thing. I personally have been dealing with HIGH END electronics for a very very very long time. When I started messing with auto electronics ect...a long time ago, I took the easy route on grounding and wiring. I broke a lot of rules, and I was lucky it worked at all. I know better now. I would STRONGLY SUGGEST, that if anybody, hasn't checked out the Holley and MSD videos on wiring and grounding, do it NOW. I expect it may help solve a bunch of problems. It is that important.

[@332ARA]

Do you think the biggest problem is off road use for the MSD? I have a street cruiser.

[@NightWrencher]

Well I can rule out heat and water damage because it was located in my glove box inside the cab installed on the provided insulators. The only thing I can assume is the box loosens up from the vibrations. For a street cruiser I'm sure you'll be fine

[@332ARA]

@@NightWrencher I haven't run my MSD yet. Still build the swap. Unfortunately I bought it second hand out of warranty. I hope I'm not screwed. If needed does MSD repair old boxes? I guess at that point I crack it open and see what's up. Also I have the edelbrock intake with MSD mount. I thinking of relocating the box. Does the SSS have the same bolt pattern?

[@NightWrencher]

If you bought it second hand, all bets are off. They'll test it for you at a charge, but if its bad they cant fix it. If you dont mount it on the manifold you need to block off the holes because theyll leak. The SSLS has the same pattern and they even sell a conversion harness in case your MSD went out

[@332ARA]

@@NightWrencher Well I haven't run it yet so hopefully I have no issues. If it goes bad I'll drill out the rivets and see what's inside. Fingers crossed. Or if you are brave you could open your MSD for a video (once out of warranty of course)

[@NightWrencher]

I might do that. On my old 6AL box you can replace one of the transistors that causes a no spark condition

[@somethingsimple2.071]

Can u tell me what you did as far as your fuel setup I’m doing a carb on my ls in a 90 c1500

[@NightWrencher]

I have a video on installing a TBI fuel pump inside the tank. A holley blue or something similar should also work. A summit one is like 80 bucks

[@tonysajkowski3534]

Fantastic comparison great info thanks

[@chrissimmons8122]

With Daytona box will it work with my lq4 6.0

[@NightWrencher]

It will fit an lq4 or any gen 3 engine no problem

[@NightWrencher]

It cannot control the automatic transmission

[@Mfil]

WOW! I was not aware of the ( possible ) issues with the rear cam sensor signal on the Daytona Controller. Hopefully the rear cam sensor will work with the Daytona, i will be waiting on your next video on the installation an results. Front sensor conversion to much $$$

[@NightWrencher]

I'll be hooking it all up tomorrow so we will find out!

[@NightWrencher]

The new video is out in case you wanna see all the action of how its hooked up!

[@rodneyhodgson2068]

Can the msd harness be trimmed? Or does it have to be factory length?

[@NightWrencher]

It can be cut and spliced just remember that the longer the wires, the weaker the signal. If you're going to shorten it then that shouldnt be an issue

[@rodneyhodgson2068]

@@NightWrencher Perfect! Thank you! I am going to shorten the harness and run it through a firewall Deutsch connector, I just wanted to double check. Thank you again!

[@332ARA]

I wanna see someone tear open an MSD to see whats inside

[@moedog07]

Is the MSD LS6014 a multi-spark like the 6A box?

[@NightWrencher]

From what I have seen, it is not

[@Nevercouldfigureitout]

Do they offer other products that replace other stuff in the MSD line?

[@NightWrencher]

Not too many other things. I'd have to go 1 by 1 to see how universal they were but as I was going through the catalog I didn't see anything that jumped out at me. P.S. your carb is done

[@lucysmith4242]

great info great video

[@NightWrencher]

Thank you! Much appreciated!

[@jaysonyang1441]

Let me correct something here, two comparable spec products, one is made super cheap for max profits, the other is super reliable still profitable, what’s the difference? One is super greedy and riding half on branding and marketing, the other is trying to make a name so they have to be better than the rest, it’s a cycle countless classic brands now a days are just riding on branding marketing and exposure vendors and retailers, the less money you put into a product the more money to go around to grease everyone else to your side, sad but true and it’s gotten Soo bad, but the light at the end of the tunnel is it leaves open for new companies to form and make a solid better product and still be price competitive let’s go underdogs!

[@332ARA]

BTW. the MSD board is potted

[@vvvv-lu8zi]

Every electrical components are from china Assembled here or there no difference