MSI Prestige 13 (Lunar Lake): Lighter than Air

[@JustJoshTech]

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[@ivangouvea4195]

I literally just keep watching after he says the bottom line in the beginning for 2 reasons 1. Respect for being upfront 2. Great review Thanks for that Josh!

[@JustJoshTech]

Glad you like it and appreciate it!

[@mikephilpot]

Sierra, you are doing great. Do not listen to these miserable trolls. Keep doing you! Love the reviews!

[@StashiaMass]

She is awesome!

[@azhyhama9649]

I agree. Keep it up Sierra!! Love the fast reviews! I already watch it on 1.25 and every other channel on 2x

[@anthonyz2989]

She actually is

[@stilldre7739]

I haven't seen any hate comments for Sierra. Maybe I'm just lucky

[@alexandr7686]

@@StashiaMass no, she needs to leave, channel becomes to look same as 500 other review channels where bloggers try to put all info on 5x speed in 5 minutes, it lost it's sole and uniqueness.

[@chrism1051]

Why the meanness to the presenter. Why? I can understand people wanting her to slow down the pace, but why attacks on her appearance.

[@adinnugroho6544]

Cierra's voice sounds just interesting for me. Sorry guys. I maybe from Indonesia but I already used to be English, as I previously have joined courses 😅

[@azhyhama9649]

Josh you are amazing for doing a mini executive summary of the video in the beginning.

[@adiomari2802]

where are the new zen laptops? zen 9 hx 370 or the 365? they are missing from your comparison, comparing these laptops to 2 yr old zen laptops is misleading.

[@thelastyaksha]

00:07 LOL that frustration!

[@jonathanng138]

I've seen this laptop in the local JB hi-fi's in Australia, the Bezels are huge

[@anthonyz2989]

I respect the "we're not going to waste your time" at the start of the video... but you do some of the absolute best review videos on youtube. I want more people to see your reviews because it will help them make better purchase decisions. In order to do that, you do need to play the youtube game slightly... I have a moderate sized YT channel on a different account and I've had these debates with myself, which is the correct thing to do. Anyway, fantastic videos as always, just some food for thought

[@buraklayasam]

Thank Josh and Cierra. Great review. The only missing thing is Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i Aura in the comparison of performance/battery tests. As that laptop is a lunar lake, it would have been a much more productive video.

[@raminpro9765]

do you know lunar lake multicore is very very week,bad in render,heavy software? ryzen ai 370. 200% powerfull in multicore

[@buraklayasam]

@@raminpro9765 yeah, sure. I just wanted to point out the comparison because these are all lunar lake laptops. In fact, i do not use very special programs so for a better battery life, I would prefer lunar lake over AMD.

[@albertoeffe8524]

why in the igpu comparison you didn't show the amd 890m?

[@thespiff]

In the graph at 9:11 the Zenbook S 14 with lunar lake is stated to have a battery life of 55Wh. That seems incorrect. Shouldn't it be 75Wh?

[@JustJoshTech]

You are right, that is a mistake

[@dmoster]

Picked this up a few weeks ago from Costco for $1200. Been happy with it so far, and I think that’s their normal price.

[@lhl]

While I don't think GB6 is the end-all be-all for perf, I will say that in the 28W Perf mode on my copy (running Linux 6.12) I was able to get 2963 SC/11495 MC (GB:8156015), which puts it in the upper tier (between the SDXE 80-100 and M3) for SC and mid-range on MC. My copy also reports an almost 76Wh max battery capacity as well. For a

[@NigraXXL]

3:55 that's why I keep watching this channel after their terrible LTT fiasco. They do actually try to do a good job and excel where others fall short. This is the only place where I've seen someone actually list those "compared to some other devices"... Often times you'll hear reviewers say vague things like "this is X than expected", "not as X as some of the other ones" without actually clarifying what their expectations or what those other options actually are, which makes those statements pointless.

[@abdulrahmanelawady4501]

Can you show us the inside of the laptops please. I want to see the motherboard configuration and the pcb design layout and size.

[@eldardb]

Did you watch the video?

[@abdulrahmanelawady4501]

@eldardb i know he had a quick two seconds under the hood, but this isn't really enough, and the angle wasn't clear and this quick look isn't a common thing typically done in every review. I need a bit more details.

[@eldardb]

@@abdulrahmanelawady4501 whilst now I do understand what you mean and actually I also would like to see more from curiosity, I do understand why JJ doesn't do it since it would require way more time and it is more of a separate teardown thing then a review. But suggestions were never a bad thing and now that I see your point I do agree with you!

[@tough_treecko]

Hello Josh and Sierra! I'm first year computer science students, In india , the msi prestige 13 ai evo comes with intel core ultra 7 155h cpu, not the 258V. And the rest specs are same , for 1tb 16gb ram it costs around 98k inr~1170$ Is it good for Heavy coding and light gaming or should i go with asus zenbook 14 oled, but it is little expensive around 1440$. What should i do ? Greetings from India 🇮🇳🙏🏻

[@albertoeffe8524]

we want haptic touchpads!!

[@cameronbosch1213]

Unless it's the Dell XPS's. Those are straight up awful. Like, I'd take a gaming laptop's touchpad over that crap.

[@peterhuh]

The microphone quality sounds like it was sampled at 8-bit or 12-bit depth before increasing its volume with a digital AGC.

[@rafaelalbertomaldonadotorr4554]

Bro really nice video, i only see the intro but that was more than enough, thanks for just going to the point, i have seen a lot complete videos of you when i am really interested in buying something, but i know some times it's not necessary, you said pro and cons in a consist way and i can know the product easily, continue the good work, love your content and i bought the ausus px13 just because you put a woman (i think your wife) on that video, just kidding but i am loving it for the size and the hx370 processor, i know the screen is only 60hz refresh rate but i play all the time connected to my oled 1440p 240hz monitor and it delivers. thanks for your advise

[@TheRonron1994]

I know this isn't a gaming laptop but I wish you included some given how capable Lunar Lake is. I've seen some gaming benchmarks already but from the Asus S14.

[@skimandla]

waiting for lunar lake and dgpu combo laptop

[@nobesschoolie7974]

Lunar lake is designed for thin and light ultrabooks though, it doesn’t really make sense for manufacturers to use it in combo with a dgpu.

[@auritro3903]

not happening. Coming with Arrow Lake.

[@skimandla]

A rtx 4050 low power will work on thin and light laptops

[@dankmemes3153]

it does not have enough pcie lanes for a dgpu. fyi

[@iz723]

Isn't it a similar style to Ultra Series 1 CPUs? Loads of those had dGPU s​@@nobesschoolie7974

[@niklashofmann8892]

I'm sooo much looking forward to the omnibook ultra flip review! Is it gonna take long? :)

[@JustJoshTech]

It's this weekend earliest bur could be early next week. It's a big one as I wanted to really use the laptop first

[@niklashofmann8892]

Thats not too long! Thanks for all the work and the awesome reviews!

[@AyoHues]

Great review! All the skinny instead of loads of influencer waffle. Love this channel. Mrs Josh, your son done good. 👍🏽

[@guyg4801]

Hey josh…lunar lake zenbook s14 for 1150$ or zenbook s16 ryzen 9 365 for 1200$ as a computer engineering student?

[@pmabrouk]

Something no one ever considers is buying an older premium laptop. My fav is the HP Elite X2 G8 which is ultralight and boasts all the premium features (minus AI) that a professional could want. Why not spend $600 and get a real laptop (WWAN, Fingerprint reader, etc.)?

[@kevikiru]

Hey Josh and Team. When listing features such as ports or display or scores and especially comparisons between laptops, please write them in text. Our brains cannot absorb information especially at the speed of Sierra. It mostly turns into undifferentiated mash! Just telling us the specs straight up does not mean we retain much useful information. It's worse in comparisons because as you jump from one laptop to the other, we cannot retain information about which is which. But text on the screen would normally be retained for a few seconds allowing for a second look rather than just tuning out when we cannot seem to 'get it' or retain information. I am fairly technologically competent and I have often just watched the whole video not because I can grasp the information, but because I know you guys have worked hard on it. Here is something finally; even smart people can only retain a couple of items. So rather than keep rewinding the video a few seconds, you give up and wait till the video is almost up to hear the conclusion or just quit watching. I bet that your retention rate will go up if you introduce text. Just looking at someone spout words and some b-roll makes the mind just wonder.... Thanks for the massive effort though, on this channel and on your website.

[@drewk8601]

Josh, Would love to hear your review of MSI's CreatorPro 16 AI Studio workstation too. How does it hold up in terms of build quality, performance and reliability in comparison with Dell's Precision series, HP ZBook and MacBook Pro? Great content as always! Thanks!

[@RichWithTech]

2:45 MSI WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?! Why do companies copy the worst from other brands argh

[@nepaliman5716]

I had previous gen ... it feels little cheap for price. I understand that MSI is trying to their best, but I think they shouldn't have cheaped it out in trackpad .

[@maxweinbach3996]

Do the competing models have 32gb ram?

[@DBCooper1933]

60 hz and 1400$ is a no go

[@svinatraktore]

Give us 1400Hz and 60$ !!! 😀

[@dera_ng]

That battery life tho 💫

[@mapl3mage]

the battery life is only great in the first few months. after 3-4 years, you'll basically be using the laptop plugged in all the time. this isn't specific to this laptop though. this is true for pretty much all windows laptops.

[@dera_ng]

@@mapl3mage oh... Thanks for the headsup.. phew I almost ordered a time bomb with this one 😅 So only Apple wins these days I guess 🤔

[@chrism1051]

​@@mapl3magedepends on battery technology used

[@vad35]

​@@dera_ngnot sure what they're talking about, my 2018 old HP laptop still lasts 6-8hours of normal use with its original battery, and it's a midrange laptop. My other laptops also behaved the same way

[@pipebomber04]

Oh no! the rubber feet from the back of the laptop like that of the asus g14. If it comes off its a pain to replace.

[@MrDucatiV4]

60hz refresh rate in 2024 is a hard pass! 💯

[@pinoiltombino5846]

i can't find it on the market. i am from italy can anyone help me please?

[@catzzdogzz5228]

I went to the store to use the display model. Because I’m excited to either buy the 13,14,16 inch model. But, the keyboard is terrible on this model. I’m very picky with keyboard and trackpad. And I have to say it’s a 7.5/10 keyboard and 8/10 trackpad. I’m hoping that maybe the 14 or 16 inch will have a larger trackpad and larger keys. * i tried the new Lenovo lunar lake laptop and that keyboard is 5/10. The new coating on those keyboards are nasty. For context, my preference in laptop keyboards are short travel distance with NON- mushy keys. And Lenovo felt mushy and Msi felt a little cheap/small. And Msi lacked the “click” and or “tactile feeling” in laptop keyboards I like.

[@tahsinkhan9884]

Please give a review of Honor Magicbook Art 14.

[@Luffy2Y]

The Asus Zenbook 14 has a larger screen and therefore should use more battery.

[@JustJoshTech]

It also depends on resolution btw. That is a big factor in battery life

[@carson365]

Not a fair test unless you reduce the Zenbook to 60hz.

[@JustJoshTech]

@carson365 we always set them all to 60hz for battery. Not our first time :p

[@carson365]

@@JustJoshTech Interesting, I had never noticed. It would be interesting to see the comparisons between 60/120hz, different resolutions, and different performance modes for at least one laptop to get a better understanding of how each of those factors generally affects performance. Would be a nice-to-have for each laptop you review but that's surely not worth the effort to test for every device.

[@davitdavid7165]

For products this similiar can you please mention if the chassis is litteraly identical? Maybe one can buy an older model now and a motherboard later

[@raminpro9765]

buy new TUF A16 FA608

[@davitdavid7165]

@@raminpro9765 I am looking for a 14 inch office laptop. Thanks for the tip though

[@maruthi_singh]

Can you make a detailed video on if lunar lake is good for programming and with test result would be a great video please make it

[@JustJoshTech]

We can speak holistically on this topic. But as a coder myself, I need to be clear. There is NO test you can run that covers "coding" in general. It depends entirely on what you are coding. Some code can run on very basic machines, other code needs far more powerful remote servers.

[@alexandr7686]

@@JustJoshTech at least source code compilation in Idea ide for the same project and revision number.

[@cameronbosch1213]

1:53 "[The MSI Prestige 13] doesn't feel as premium as the XPS 13..." Let me stop you there; the XPS 13 has a cheap feeling and frustrating to use haptic touchpad and looks like a engineering sample prototype released as a commercial product. There's very little "premium" about that laptop apart from the expensive price tag.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Oh, and the XPS 13 having a good haptic touchpad isn't true in my experience. Not only is it awful if you have vision problems (I don't, but still), the like feels both cheap and mushy yet low travel at the same time, with weak feedback. This has been an issue since the 2022 XPS 13 Plus (9320) and it actually angers me to see that Dell hasn't even addressed this yet.

[@haorantao612]

I am looking for a 2-in-1 laptop but not sure if I should wait for more powerful Intel chips or go for the AMD Zen 5 chip (I guess the only one available is MSI Summit A16 AI+ 2-in-1?)...

[@raminpro9765]

buy proart px13. or new TUF A16 FA608 ....all intel after 3 month give bluescreen in games

[@pratyushv-l]

thx josh!!!! love the tips

[@CANEHURRICANE]

Can I ask if you can create a segment for AI laptops that can actually run some local AI, not referring to copilot but to be able to run some LLMs at reasonable speeds

[@DrumsBah]

If you want to run local LLMs you need VRAM. Releastically 24GB minimum unless you are just playing with toy models. Non current laptop has this kind of GPU memory outside of a MacBook Pro. If your only interested in LLMs and not broader machine learning I'd recommended a 36GB M3 or higher. Otherwise you want a 3090/4090 desktop GPU

[@Frank-Silverado]

Sierra reminds me of Chappel Roan... hahaaha I mean that as a compliment.

[@auritro3903]

Hey, Josh! I am a soon to be college student, (in around 6-8 months), and I want to buy a new laptop. I will mostly be using it for studies, programming and maybe a few AI applications(going for Electronics Engineering), but I am really looking for long battery life and Ultra-portability. I also will probably to quite a lot of light gaming. I am quite split between a Strix Point and a Lunar Lake laptop, as both are pretty amazing options (LNL has higher battery life, but Strix Point seems to be cheaper). Which do you think would be the best? Great video by the way!

[@infochannel8705]

I'm also Electrical Engineering, for Ultra-portable and long battery life you might go with Lunar lake, I read that HX 370 on Zenbook S16 (16 inch) run hot and thermal throttle so there's alot of return on that laptop. I run MATLAB and MPLAB IDE with my 4c/8t 1165G7 no issue. I recommend buying maybe a couple months from now when you are entering uni because Intel laptop are plentiful (in my market) and get discounted often. Strix Point are higher wattage part (currently Strix lowest wattage laptop is 28W, that is the max wattage in Lunar Lake), for light gaming both iGPU perform really well although Intel iGPU will perform better than AMD at lower wattage. TLDR: Intel will get cheaper when you about to enter uni, great battery and portable. AMD high wattage part (2x the cores), good but lower than lntel in battery life. Same or better iGPU, but usually paired with dGPU

[@raminpro9765]

buy proart px13.

[@aceingaming9656]

Hi Josh. What do you think of MSI Bravo 15 (C7VE-273PH) Gaming Laptop | Ryzen 5 7535HS | 8GB DRR5 | 512GB SSD | RTX 4050 6GB ? Is this Worth it for $900?

[@shrishpotdar343]

Msi may be good at performance but the build is kinda questionable, as an experienced mai laptop user

[@saturnotaku]

If I may offer some feedback, Sierra (apologies if I’ve spelled your name incorrectly) needs to slow down a bit when presenting as it makes it difficult to absorb the information. I had to cut playback speed to 0.75 which although a bit too slow made it easier to follow along.

[@Nosuchthingasnormalhere]

Wasn't fast at all. Stop being a baby.

[@adityamgupta6341]

guys could you do the new vivobook with core ultra series 2 pleaseee

[@JustJoshTech]

We have one coming in. Hopefully we have time for a full review else it will be in round ups

[@zkdd23]

Those asymetric bexels look strange

[@liberationyogi]

Golden guys could you just please make graphs in ascending or descending order it's so hard to read crops is used mind f****** her level

[@jkpandya04]

compare it to x1 nano.

[@chrism1051]

Wonder if matte oled is as vibrant as glossy oled

[@albertoeffe8524]

it depends on brightness, but matte reduce refletion so it's better in bright enviroment

[@chrism1051]

@@albertoeffe8524 I understand the benefit in bright environments, but even on ips screens, that matte coating make colors "muted" compared to glossy. Even the screen on galaxy book 4 edge/5 pro pop less compared to other OLED

[@memoabbas9055]

HOW JOSH CAN EFFORT PAYS ALL OF YOU GUYS

[@RomanMartinez6666]

dont wanna sound harsh but i miss JOSH commentating

[@JustJoshTech]

The issue is that we are doing more videos now, and my voice can't handle more than about 30 minutes of on screen time a week. Btw 30 minutes of on screen time is about 6 hours of recording

[@JustJoshTech]

But I appreciate the support

[@RomanMartinez6666]

@@JustJoshTech kindly consider then changing your name cuz is not JUST JOSH ANYMORE! blessings dont take it personal im just a bit salty today

[@camilogarrido5250]

4:20 @1:33

[@ZlobniyTapoG]

Why 98/100 non apple notebooks has a terrible speakers ? WTF ?

[@GunzyTech]

Cheap build, 60hz, and bad keyboard layout are simply put, dealbreakers, for me.

[@michaelepstein8356]

Amazing thanks Josh

[@publika6883]

They keep churning these laptops with a design from 2018

[@rey6253]

This sort of laptop is the reason why apple can charge whatever price they want. no reason this laptop should exist.

[@kartikpintu]

I am sorry, did you say 1400?

[@JustJoshTech]

We said it wasn't worth that price

[@antonioferrao5447]

Hello Sierra, can I ask you if it’s possible for you to speak a little slower? Thank you

[@JustJoshTech]

We've passed on the message

[@yghhhhrffv]

She needs her own channel

[@STARBLAZE-bj5kh]

U just simpin for her

[@infochannel8705]

@@STARBLAZE-bj5kh lmao. You just jealous of her, she can review all those laptops. Also if you hate her don't watch this channel and based on your previous comment, you just watch to insult her (not watching the content at all it seems). it's a laptop review not a presenter review, I bet when you put in front of camera you panicked and run.

[@pewpewpower]

She needs to enunciate and pace as if she’s talking to her young sibling or child. I found myself tuning out and having to rewatch because of the “reading at you” style rather than “having a fireside chat with you.”

[@stereomato]

guy really typed a paragraph in response to one sentence ​@@infochannel8705

[@thebirdhasbeencharged]

I'd NOT buy a laptop no matter how great and cheap it is just because of that dumb copilot key

[@stereomato]

won't most new laptops all have copilot buttons unless you get a macbook?

[@thebirdhasbeencharged]

@@stereomato not necessarily, only certain product lines, the slim/productivity ones mostly as these are done with select partners. I don’t see it becoming a widespread thing everywhere

[@tride.design]

Sierra, please talk slower for all of us non-native English speaking audience x)

[@angeloaraya8157]

Back to school man, no need to cry here

[@shadowwsk3507]

​@@angeloaraya8157 Wdym, i think his criticism is valid

[@someguy321]

Put the video at 0.75x if you can't follow lol

[@maxweinbach3996]

@@someguy321 Nothing wrong with constructive criticism.

[@alex75hgft]

60hz at this price point?😂

[@DonPatro92]

MSI had one job, and they failed right out of the gate.

[@MohammadNAldalain]

Guys why are you talking like lightening! Calm down.

[@blueeyednick]

1300$ for this piece of $hit no thx

[@yogeshnaidu5819]

Knew that once new x86 processors comes josh will put out great reviews. Seems he got his 🤑🤑🤑

[@kompassorpigo7600]

Off the bat: zero chin, giant forehead. Why not put less strain on the user's neck by doing the opposite and having the screen sit higher?

[@blueeyednick]

another garbage product

[@aibel99]

Dam so this laptop is just bad in every single department.

[@mapl3mage]

to be fair, it might be a good second laptop if you're an artist because of the color accuracy.

[@DigDowner]

@@mapl3mage Competing laptops with Lunar Lake and Oled have comparable color accuracy

[@mapl3mage]

60hz monitor with a very flimsy lid that will break after 2 years of use keyboard with an awful layout that is nearly unusable if you need to type fast mechanical touchpad, not a haptic touchpad surprisingly weak speakers average webcam. not great, but not too bad. your phone's camera is still infinitely better. soldered 32gb of ram chipset with laughably weak multi-core performance good luck playing games other than tetris amazing battery life of up to 20 hours in the first few months. expect to use the laptop plugged in all the time because the battery can't hold a charge after 3 to 4 years though. fan noise. better than the previous model, but still bad. that's $1,400 please! this laptop is so bad, it makes the mac book air look like a steal. that's actually impressive in a way.

[@TheCPU55]

First

[@svinatraktore]

When Josh starts saying "Sierra..." I'm switching to another video, sorry. She's good, but maybe I'm not a fan :)

[@MKR3238]

You know, if you don't have anything nice or constructive to say maybe just don't say anything at all 🙄

[@kailron]

No one can compete with Josh’s charisma but she’s perfectly fine lol

[@FurqanAhcom-wt5oz]

Bro we don’t need others hosts for this channel

[@kahillewalters1055]

Sierra needs to go.

[@STARBLAZE-bj5kh]

To the gym

[@jonathanng138]

Ye she kinda fat

[@littleworld7334]

Can you do a video of these prestige laptops @JustJoshTech

[@STARBLAZE-bj5kh]

Thin Laptop and Fat Presenter is a good contrast 💀

[@infochannel8705]

More knowledgeable (and more successful) than you :). I check your previous comment and you watch just to comment that same thing over and over (that's why I know you suck at life)

[@Gravage]

Everyone is impressed at the courage it took you to insult someone's appearance while concealing your own.