MTG Top 10: GOOD Cards I Thought Were BAD When I was a Kid | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 379

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@thrillhouse4151
@thrillhouse4151 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, if ten year old me saw a fetchland I’d be like, “you have to PAY LIFE for a land, that sucks!”
@jamesgratz4771
@jamesgratz4771 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao same
@bluedestiny2710
@bluedestiny2710 3 жыл бұрын
Same! I also though fetch lands only grabbed BASIC lands... so back then, I couldn't imagine it as anything but atrocious T_T ... regrets were had
@DaveyDAKFAE
@DaveyDAKFAE 3 жыл бұрын
I *did* think this during my first year playing, way back in original zendikar block. I knew it could fetch the OG dual lands, but I didn't realize any other lands had those land types so I was like 'wow this is useless unless you have a $10,000 deck'
@jamesgratz4771
@jamesgratz4771 3 жыл бұрын
@@DaveyDAKFAE lmao
@RobMedellin
@RobMedellin 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, for me it was similar. Maybe I didn't complain about paying 1 life, but didn't see the potential and thought prices were too high (and they were as low as $8usd).
@mrknarf4438
@mrknarf4438 3 жыл бұрын
I like how you included "what this taught me": realising and explaining why you were wrong is great insight! To be honest, I'd say you were above average, being that young: most of those lands are the kind of cards that shine in competitive play, but you wouldn't look at twice in a more "general" deck or in Limited
@bluedestiny2710
@bluedestiny2710 3 жыл бұрын
It was interesting that he mentioned Rath's Edge. Back then, I also thought this was a useless card... and felt VERY disappointed when I cracked open a pack and got that. While it still isnt a really good card (the rate is terrible at 5 mana + 1 land = 1 damage), it IS a great way to make those last few hits after a long match... kinda like how Cursed Scroll works (you're out of gas, but you still have a permanent that does small but continuous damage that can win it for you). Now if only that thing dealt 2 or 3 damage instead :( What was I trying to roll for when I bought those packs? Lol, I remember it was Ascendant Evincar and Death Pits Offering... yea goes to show you what I knew about the game back then -_- while neither of those 2 are bad cards, they're... meh... at most... If only the Evincar was BB2 instead of BB4 and Death Pit Offering didnt ask you sacrifice ALL your creatures at the cost BB2 for a +2/+2 buff on all your future creatures -_-
@NDHFilms
@NDHFilms 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the different art styles in these older sets.
@NinjaKnuckleJoe
@NinjaKnuckleJoe 3 жыл бұрын
It's a lot more polished and realistic now, which is interesting to me. It is not like if you asked artists to draw things like that 30 years ago they couldn't. They definitely could, but the style was just so different
@celebrim1
@celebrim1 3 жыл бұрын
The old art was like collecting paintings. The new art is like collecting comic books.
@j-rey-
@j-rey- 3 жыл бұрын
@@celebrim1 1000%, that's the best way I've heard it put.
@mark6302
@mark6302 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the watercolor added a certain ambience
@MosoKaiser
@MosoKaiser 3 жыл бұрын
@@j-rey- And not just comic books, but comic books from one single publisher keeping strict reins on art style and quality. Sure, the art nowadays is always consistent and well done, but you can't help but quickly feel it being kind of samey and monotonous. Old MTG art was just awesome in its variety from artists being allowed to be different. Card art ranged from strikingly simplified comic book style illustrations, to hyper-detailed fantasy art paintings, to the weird and abstrarct, and yes, to the occasional inexplicable jank, but I think that was a small price to pay for the art adventure awaiting in each pack.
@GalvanicChoir
@GalvanicChoir 3 жыл бұрын
I remember going to a legacy event when I was younger with my terrible standard deck. My opponent dropped down a show and tell and I was thinking 'Oh this guy messed up big time'. I dropped down my 7/7 vanilla whatever, and my opponent put own Emrakul and boy I can only imagine the face of 12 year old me learning what Annihilator was
@puttputt524
@puttputt524 3 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid I couldn’t understand why ANY card would be better than lightning bolt.
@FeelNFine
@FeelNFine 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, when you think about it, all the power cards are just ways to help you cast more lightning bolts.
@Graatand
@Graatand 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, not many cards are more powerful than lightning bolt.
@victoravilesruiz7554
@victoravilesruiz7554 3 жыл бұрын
Are any cards actually better than lightning bolt
@mark6302
@mark6302 3 жыл бұрын
They aren't, lightning bolt is MTG.
@chrisgould101
@chrisgould101 3 жыл бұрын
It is the best card
@axtell500
@axtell500 3 жыл бұрын
Dual lands, ptuey who needed them if you had a Craw Wurm
@LaBlueSkuld
@LaBlueSkuld 3 жыл бұрын
"What's the deal with Black Lotus? It's just three mana!"
@hitbycars
@hitbycars 3 жыл бұрын
I traded a dual for some shitty cards when I was little and they didn’t mark rarity on cards and only people in the know knew the value of things. This was mid 90’s and I was the youngest player at 7 in a neighborhood of 9-13 year olds. I got ripped off.
@Xoulrath_
@Xoulrath_ 3 жыл бұрын
The new Orchard Strider from MH2 would blow your mind. They broke the Craw Wurm. It gives you 2 Food on ETB, and can be cycled now. This game is getting out of control with power creep.
@chriswright8114
@chriswright8114 3 жыл бұрын
I remember a time when vizzerdrix was my win con....
@skillganon606
@skillganon606 3 жыл бұрын
@@Xoulrath_ that's why I only play the fair Craw Wurm, Craw Giant.
@corey2232
@corey2232 3 жыл бұрын
I STILL think Rishadan Port looks weak every time I read it. But experienced me reminds myself "no, this card is a huge pain in the ass." It's just hard to grasp tapping 2 of your land to stop 1 enemy land as being good. But playing against it teaches you pretty quick it certainly is good
@bricelory9534
@bricelory9534 Жыл бұрын
I'm in this boat....my gut reaction on seeing it is constantly "how is this good disruption?" but obviously it is, if only for the evidence!
@crawdaddy1234
@crawdaddy1234 5 ай бұрын
I’m even surprised how good it is when I use it. 😂
@MagnumEvolved
@MagnumEvolved 3 жыл бұрын
I started around Return to Ravnica. I remember opening an early booster and my rare was a shock land and I was rather dissatisfied and couldn’t understand why some crappy land was a rare!
@adamgackowski8559
@adamgackowski8559 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. I opened shock land in one of my first RtR boosters and was wondering why everyone want to trade for it. I ended up getting bunch of less useful rares for it
@superbaas8822
@superbaas8822 3 жыл бұрын
In all fairness, lands shouldn't be rares unless they do something unique and interesting. Lands like the shocklands, fetch lands and worse now the duel sided lands all serve to allow people to play the game, and little more. Worse is wizards is balancing for them now. These are the sorts of things that belong at common, not rare. Pokemon managed to find success for decades without ever more than a handful of energies at rare or higher. It's time for wizards to really stop trying to milk it's players and pretending that mana lands belong at rare.
@DaveyDAKFAE
@DaveyDAKFAE 3 жыл бұрын
My first pack had a foil Jace Beleren in it and I'd heard of Jace the Mindsculptor so I thought I'd gotten the best card ever
@superbaas8822
@superbaas8822 3 жыл бұрын
@@DaveyDAKFAE in fairness, Jace B didn't end up being a bad card exactly, so congrats on the pull
@DaveyDAKFAE
@DaveyDAKFAE 3 жыл бұрын
@@superbaas8822 yeah it was still the best card I owned in a deck full of Cancels, Divinations, and merfolk bulk commons.
@markadkins1842
@markadkins1842 3 жыл бұрын
I remember trading away several copies of City of Brass until one of my friends explained why it was a good card. I'm still mad that several people took advantage of me when I was young & new to the game!
@ROMANTIKILLER2
@ROMANTIKILLER2 3 жыл бұрын
Necropotence here ... I mean, losing your drawstep and having to pay life every time to draw a card? How can that be any good, right?
@celebrim1
@celebrim1 3 жыл бұрын
I was actually pretty decent at evaluation, although I was like 20 at the time and not 10. But I did blow it when I first cracked Ice Age packs and thought, "Huh, why would I want to shut down my own card draw? Like what happens if I'm low on life and need a card?"
@stuflames4769
@stuflames4769 3 жыл бұрын
The concerns are, in fact, valid. But, for some reason, while most cards find people gazing at the ceiling rather than noticing the floor, Necropotence is the opposite. People see the floor easily - but often don't see how high and sweet and reachable the ceiling is upon viewing it.
@chrisgould101
@chrisgould101 3 жыл бұрын
Paying 2 life for thoughtseize is a robbery
@volkfidde4269
@volkfidde4269 3 жыл бұрын
This would be my biggest one as well- though at the time, I also thought Royal Assassin was good, so ...
@celebrim1
@celebrim1 3 жыл бұрын
@@volkfidde4269 I was never impressed by Royal Assassin. All it did was impress upon me how good Lightning Bolt was. The first deck I tried to make was what would be now called a Boros deck, that was built around the observation that Serra Angel and Lightning Bolt were really good. Of course, I also thought that if Lightning Bolt was good, Healing Salve was too, and it took me a few months to figure out logically why it wasn't.
@WizWiteKnight
@WizWiteKnight 3 жыл бұрын
My dads girlfriends son showed me Magic in 1997. He had two decks, a red black and a white blue. We used to fight over who got to use R/B, because it was the "better deck". Mostly cause it had Uncle Istavan. That guy was unkillable!! I often got stuck witht he blue white deck that had shitty cards like Ancestral Recall and Mox Diamond. We didnt have them in sleeves, either.
@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514
@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how anyone could at ancestral recall and a mox and think they were shitty....... I just don't understand
@WizWiteKnight
@WizWiteKnight 3 жыл бұрын
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 We were 10.
@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514
@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 3 жыл бұрын
@@WizWiteKnight I don't care. I was 7 when I started playing Yu-Gi-Oh and knew pot of greed, change of heart, deliauent duo, etc etc etc, were all great. Draw 3 for 🔵...... I just don't understand how you thought it was shite
@WizWiteKnight
@WizWiteKnight 3 жыл бұрын
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 Wellt hen you're just a genius and im a dumbass I guess.
@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514
@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 3 жыл бұрын
@@WizWiteKnight Yea, I was thinking that too but didn't want to sound like an ass
@tuomashoffren534
@tuomashoffren534 3 жыл бұрын
Mine: Black lotus. It took me a while to even remotely comprehend, what the card actually does. This was of course right when I started.
@theoucreator
@theoucreator 3 жыл бұрын
I was like "yea it's cool but 30,000 dollars good?"
@Tayaramisu
@Tayaramisu 3 жыл бұрын
Love this! Would love to see something like "top 10 cards you'd be surprised have a point", like the worst cards to have gotten a top 8
@Thorandor44
@Thorandor44 8 ай бұрын
Squee is a keycard in a bazar of bagdad living death deck too..because u can discard squee every turn to get the cardatventage u need in combination with the bazar...much better with 2 squees!
@RasmusVJS
@RasmusVJS 3 жыл бұрын
Skullclamp is such a bad card. Why would I want equipment that makes my creature weaker? That's the opposite of what equipment should do! Still ended up playing it, mostly because back then an adult friend of mine build my deck for me.
@alienicecream
@alienicecream 3 жыл бұрын
I just realized how derpy Squee's face looks when you zoomed in on it ahahaha
@bluedestiny2710
@bluedestiny2710 3 жыл бұрын
oh wow... I have a TON of these... I wasn't the smartest player in the game... but here are some things I can remember on the top of my head: - Tarmogoyf: yes, you can bring out the pitchforks and torches... I cracked open a pack and got this card, and I said: what? yea sure its G1, but if I summon it in turn 2, chances are, it's just going to be a 2/3 at most bec cards wouldnt be in the graveyard then. And then, it's max stat is 5/6 (no planeswalker then)... why don't i just use some other of the lhurgoyf cards instead of this? ... what never occurred to me was: if I summoned it at around turn 3 or 4, when the duel is in full swing, the maximum stat of this card is easily achievable. Getting this to drop as a 5/6 at that time is easier than I thought. - Fetch Lands: again, I'll be distributing pitchforks and torches later. At that time, I was thinking: WTF is this? Sacrifice this card + pay 1 life to search your deck for any BASIC (note my mistake here) Forest or Mountain (the R/G was my first fetch land)?? Why don't I just a watered down dual land or any of the other utility land (i.e Barbarian Ring)? This thing is garbage! For a time, this card was being sold in shops at less than 5$ ... how I wish I saw the power then and grabbed them all T_T ah well... - Kaiga the Tide Star: I was dying during a Wrath of God or other board sweeper more often than being killed by spot removal... basically, I keep imagining the card dying while there are no good targets... so I had trouble seeing this as a good card - any of the cards that replaces itself upon resolution, INCLUDING cycling: many of these cards have very little benefit for the player (i.e Mishra and Urza's Bauble, Opt (look at top card, you may put it on top or bottom of your deck: draw a card), brain storm (a bit of a cheat, but functionally the same), Ponder etc ... and I never saw that deck thinning = increases consistency of your deck. Although ironically, I DID make an Astral Rift deck and was my favorite deck during that time... and probably the only deck where that red version of Akroma is usable XD but that WAS the time I learned how deck thinning was VERY useful in getting to your key cards ASAP - Crop Rotation: Same problem as above: I didnt read it properly: i thought it said "basic land" instead of "land" - Ancient Tomb / City of Traitors: One shocks you for using it.. the other blows up as soon as you play another land... why would I play this??? To make it worse: during that time, I was using mostly a Wildfire deck... where I COULD have actually made good use of those 2 cards by minimizing my land loss -_-
@66611
@66611 3 жыл бұрын
I started playing magic with 2 sealed decks as all my pool fo cards. Most of them were indeed garbage but then I saw my tinker was on the banned and rstrictd list! How can 3 cmc sorcery and havig to sacrifice one artifact to bring another shitty artifact be good enough to be restricted?! by then my only artifacts were barbed sextant (which I never though of use, yes it's one of the self-replacing cards) and thopter squadron. But later on I realised I could sacrifice a mana crypt to bring in a Phyrexian Colossus (later a Darksteel colossus (now a blighsteel colossus))
@DeathwishAutumn
@DeathwishAutumn 3 жыл бұрын
You clearly were a smarter kid than me. I got into magic in Onslaught, played goblins and thought Sparksmith was bad because it dealt damage to you. To this day I am still overly cautious about effects that deal self damage. Wish I was able to play Death Shadow decks :(
@holotori_senior_admin_teno
@holotori_senior_admin_teno 3 жыл бұрын
The ones I remember not understanding the hype around back in 95 when I started; 1. Necropotence 2. Library of Alexandria 3. The Moxes 4. City of Brass 5. Ernham Djinn 6. Juzam Djinn 7. Ornithopter 8. Strip Mine 9. Force Spike 10. Mana Drain
@thonk7611
@thonk7611 3 жыл бұрын
most of these i understand but how do you not see mana drain?
@j-rey-
@j-rey- 3 жыл бұрын
@@thonk7611 I just looked it up, it may have been because of mana burn (you lost life if you had mana left over after phases ended)
@holotori_senior_admin_teno
@holotori_senior_admin_teno 3 жыл бұрын
@@thonk7611 Back in the day, kid me thought the mana would just end up as mana burn 90% of the time, so generally saw it as a big downside
@bluedestiny2710
@bluedestiny2710 3 жыл бұрын
@@thonk7611 Possible mana burn. When I saw Mana Drain myself, I thought it would mean me countering a large spell, but next turn, unable to use all that colorless mana and take damage due to the old mana burn rule
@mikotagayuna8494
@mikotagayuna8494 3 жыл бұрын
In many ways, learning to assemble a Magic deck is like dealing with fashion. It's often not about showing off the nice bits but on how well you can hide the things that are ugly.
@MrToxicB1izzard
@MrToxicB1izzard 3 жыл бұрын
In my case it was all of the "X" spells. My logic was "Pay 4 mana for a fireball to do 3 damage? I'm better off just running regular burn spells."
@Taeerom
@Taeerom 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Lava Axe was better than Fireball...
@OrcDragon65
@OrcDragon65 2 жыл бұрын
At least with Gating Creatures, I remember learning very quickly by playing my Kavu deck that bouncing Flametongue back to my hand with Horned Kavu was really powerful. It's the first time I figured out what recursion was and how I could use it to my advantage. I got plenty of cards wrong when I was new but I remember at least in that case, I figured out how good bouncing Enter the Battlefield triggers could be.
@User-jo7jp
@User-jo7jp 3 жыл бұрын
i felt the exact same way regarding port. i remember being befuddled whilst browsing the old trading forums 20 years ago. also, interesting to remember, two-headed dragon was, once upon a time, one of the most expensive rares from masques!
@BerserkArtorias
@BerserkArtorias 3 жыл бұрын
Old Phyrexian Negator, love the art. Pretty cool list!
@caseywellington4761
@caseywellington4761 3 жыл бұрын
I started playing just before Eldraine came out, and when I first saw Fires of Invention, I thought it was utterly terrible. It seemed like such a big restriction, only allowing you to cast two spells and only on your turn. I couldn't understand how good it was until I saw a Kenrith Fires deck. Holy Toledo that thing was busted.
@mightyone3737
@mightyone3737 3 жыл бұрын
I recognized the power of Plow Under very, very quickly when I realized they *have* to draw those two lands... as in, not only did I get rid of 2 lands for 5 mana, I took away 2 cards from my opponent. It is a truly brutal effect, offset fairly nicely by it's high MV. Most of the time you should actually *win* after you cast Plow Under, it's that swingy of a card in most matches. I struggle to find a good home for them now (them seem a bit hostile for Commander, slow in cEDH where it makes the most sense), but I do run Primal Command in a few decks, and I do not find that card disappointing at all. It can even shuffle their graveyard into their deck after putting a land on top, making it possible for them to *not* draw a land, which can punish low land count decks, while also offering a tutor and life gain. Plow Under isn't as versatile, but is super-concentrated unpleasantness. I didn't play when Negator was around, but when I saw it I wasn't too impressed, so I read up on it. The way it was used was actually pretty reasonable, and the card was very pushed for the time. Considering how rarely I see Obliterators played, I don't expect to see Negators played a lot more, they feel a bit obsolete when Black gets access to 5 power flyers for 4 with mostly upsides. When I built a budget black deck, I actually settled on using Phyrexian Totems as dual purpose ramp/beaters. The deck was good at clearing the board, and a 5/5 trample is a brutal attacker. You could board out the Totem for Erebos' Titan vs burn, where they might struggle to keep creatures on the board but be able to punish your totems, but find themselves unable to burn the Titan. I don't play with any of the other totems, but the Phyrexian one seems surprisingly reasonable in 20 life formats.
@bluedestiny2710
@bluedestiny2710 3 жыл бұрын
Lol I was the opposite: I immediately saw the damage the Negator could do esp with a "Black Suicide" deck running cards like Carnophage, Sarcomancy and a plethora of small, efficient black creatures to pressure the enemy and then drop a turn 4 Negator. Facing about 3 or 4 2/Xs and taken about 4 - 6 damage at that point, the Negator suddenly becomes a significant threat and becomes the opponent's priority target while the smaller creatures chip down their Life. Lands at that point just become sacrifice fodder for the Negator. While it backfires from time to time, for the most part, the Negator represents a fast clock for your opponent.. Plow Under took a LOT more time for me before I figured out the disrespect it can bring: It took the first reprint of the card. I used a R/G Land Destruction deck that ran cards then efficient creatures like Thornscape Battlemage and Blurred Mongoose, Mana Generation like Birds of Paradise, and as much card draw as I could stuff in. Getting Plow Under early almost always means my opponent wont be able to recover on time. As you have mentioned, it puts your opponent on a -4 situation: -2 lands in the field and -2 draws. Even if they, say, used Ancestral Recall, they're getting 2 lands out of 3 and that's a painful situation to be in!
@destructimus
@destructimus 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes this is a good thing. Like, when you find Reanimates and Worldy Tutors in your box of commons 10 years later because 10 year old you didn't think they were anything special.
@mark6302
@mark6302 3 жыл бұрын
When I was young I never got stuff like Stasis and Boomerang. That changed when I learned to love the Winter Orb/Man-o-War.
@BrickBuildingFun
@BrickBuildingFun 3 жыл бұрын
Boomerang is one of my favorite blue cards.
@ncomeau
@ncomeau 3 жыл бұрын
I writing to Wizards ASAP to errata "Fluctuator" to "Fuke-tua-tor". Great video I had a the same feeling on a lot of these cards when I started! Cheers!
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor 3 жыл бұрын
Yo I can't believe I missed this upload. I'd make the excuse that I'm not used to the new schedule, but Fridays were always Top 10s. Because I started playing around Ixilan and mostly stick to EDH, I can't say I have much experience with underrating cards, especially since I don't really follow set releases aside from checking the spoilers out and going "Eh I can put that in X commander deck." But even though I don't have a lot of experience with underrating cards, I do have a lot of experience with shilling "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)!"
@texhakathisia1712
@texhakathisia1712 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone hated shocklands back when they came out since we would just proxy duals in our Vintage kitchen table magic. Volcanic Island deck based around Gelectrode kind of stuff.
@catoticneutral
@catoticneutral Жыл бұрын
Cavern Harpy also gives you a repeatable way to recur the Eidolons from Dissension, which are a cycle of 4 mana 2/2 spirits that return from your graveyard to your hand whenever you play a multicolor spell. You can use its etb to bounce itself, if your opponent targets it with instant speed removal you can pay 1 life to bounce it again in response. Combine that with a game winning discard outlet and it could maybe make for a decent pauper deck
@righteousforest5538
@righteousforest5538 3 жыл бұрын
When Zendikar first came out (introducing both gain lands and enemy fetches to Standard), I won multiple games at my first event with those lands by exact damage the turn before I might've lost. I pretty quickly came to the conclusion that people had no idea what they were talking about and fetches were terrible.
@Sauvenil
@Sauvenil 3 жыл бұрын
#1 on my personal list: Force of Will. Seemed like hot garbage so they lived in a box for years. Figured out why they were good much later on.
@josephconnolly8493
@josephconnolly8493 3 жыл бұрын
I ended up with a play set of NM ones 15 years later thanks to younger me thinking, "But there is Counterspell for 2!" and tossing them in a box.
@OJC6
@OJC6 2 жыл бұрын
Even though I know how good FoW is, I still under estimate its strength. In a game of 1v1 commander against my brother he accidently casted FoW for its alternate cost even though he had enough mana to hard cast it; he won the game anyway. Turns out, giving up a card to counter any spell is a small price to pay especially since you'll usually win the game because of it.
@SR-di7ox
@SR-di7ox 3 жыл бұрын
Years ago I had someone dark ritual turn one with the intention of playing Phyrexian Negator. I responded to the ritual with Orim's Chant, causing them to take 3 points of Mana burn. It was pretty great
@adams3627
@adams3627 3 жыл бұрын
There are a few decks where, if you hit them with a Plow Under, they would just scoop on the spot.
@goat666db
@goat666db 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Witnessing one back to your hand is one of the dirtiest and best feelings at the same time too lol
@ethanhassler2624
@ethanhassler2624 3 жыл бұрын
Aka any card that wasn't a creature (at least for me)
@RasmusVJS
@RasmusVJS 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, you're the type who only uses damaging moves in Pokémon. :D
@Hyuuga2109
@Hyuuga2109 3 жыл бұрын
@@RasmusVJS Took the words out of my mouth hahaha
@paladinofodin
@paladinofodin 3 жыл бұрын
Please do more of these Good/Bad when I was a kid videos they are pure nostalgia, and take me right back to when I first started playing Magic as a kid.
@manhattanblockade8544
@manhattanblockade8544 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early Hogaak was still legal in Modern
@chucheeness7817
@chucheeness7817 3 жыл бұрын
I started MTG back in the Prophecy block and I'm a high risk/ high reward player so Negator was one of my first favorite cards, it still is even today even if it's not used in EDH which is what I only currently play
@matthewgagnon9426
@matthewgagnon9426 3 жыл бұрын
Cavern Harpy is a card I used as a kid, I spotted how obnoxious it could be very early. I didn't even use Aluren for it.
@stonerocks0
@stonerocks0 3 жыл бұрын
Cool topic! Great to hear what you learnt in each case.
@mrhaftbar
@mrhaftbar 3 жыл бұрын
For me it was Mystic Remora. Cumulative upkeep? Opponent can counter the card draw by paying mana? Useless! I now get that this card actually pretty awesome. Took me years.
@bluedestiny2710
@bluedestiny2710 3 жыл бұрын
in the same effect, I also thought Rhystic Study was also terrible: U2 EN that that allowed you to draw a card when an opponent plays a spell unless they pay 1... just ONE?!?! Then this thing will NEVER trigger bec people WILL pay that 1 mana all the time Later I realized, this thing gives your opponent a bad tempo loss (casting a 2 mana spell on turn 3 bec he doesnt want you to draw a card) and having multiples of this gets VERY annoying. Even just 2: your opponent will normally decide to take a tempo loss or allow you to draw at least 1 card... which becomes worth it in the long run
@chriswolf4715
@chriswolf4715 3 жыл бұрын
My first draft, I pulled a Chandra. It was so long ago, I don't remember which it was. I remember thinking "this is too much text" and passed it. I still have nightmares of that night...
@tinnguyen-wd7ku
@tinnguyen-wd7ku 3 жыл бұрын
We started magic at around the same time and rishadan port was for me as well when it was in standard it was a $25 card which was huge at the time and I couldn't understand why
@golgariguy
@golgariguy 3 жыл бұрын
I remember distinctly being destroyed by an older player playing a deck with Plow Under and Solemn Simulacrum when I was a kid (I was playing Elves).
@j-rey-
@j-rey- 3 жыл бұрын
Resolving a Plow Under on a kid should be considered child abuse.
@MatheusGomes-ej3mr
@MatheusGomes-ej3mr 3 жыл бұрын
I started to play a little bit before mirrodin block and I never understood why Arcbound Ravager was so hyped until I played against one, there were some affinity decks that I have seen by that time but without the ravager and it was just obnoxious.
@MainTopmastStaysail
@MainTopmastStaysail 3 жыл бұрын
Another thing to say about Rath's Edge is that it was from a time when creatures were crappier, and it was in a block dominated by Rebels, who had crappy stats even for the time. 1 damage to a creature went a lot further then than it does now.
@gagegargon1471
@gagegargon1471 3 жыл бұрын
Mine were fetch lands and any thing else that requires you to pay life. As a jund shadow player I've overcome those thoughts quite a bit. Hahahaha
@I_am_Jordan_K
@I_am_Jordan_K 3 жыл бұрын
Phyrexian Negator is the best example of this for me. At first I only focused on the drawback, but then later I realized you could Dark Ritual a 5/5 trample into play on turn one, and smack the opponent around because they could really do much about it. Plus, if it ever became a liability, just sacrifice itself.
@mayamayhemmusic
@mayamayhemmusic 3 жыл бұрын
I once traded a chrome mox for a nightmare...
@JD-gk7eh
@JD-gk7eh 3 жыл бұрын
Re: Plow Under. Memory Lapse was a card I also thought sucked when I was a kid in my early days of Magic (late 90s). Part of that was that Counterspell was still in Standard sets at the time and why play Memory Lapse when you have access to good old fashioned Counterspell? And then they get to recast it? (When Remand came out, I compared it to Memory Lapse and didn't think it was good either.) The common thread between Plow Under and Memory Lapse is tempo and that was something that was not as well understood in until the game had been out for some time; I don't remember discussions of it before 2006 or so.
@palemoogle3049
@palemoogle3049 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought that it'd be awesome to dark ritual & then phyrexian Negator on turn 1
@goat666db
@goat666db 3 жыл бұрын
It is awesome… until opponent bolts it and you lose your whole board 😂
@donaldwiggins9890
@donaldwiggins9890 3 жыл бұрын
Squee was huge in back in the day, because hand-destruction was a massive meta... Squee helped you keep cards in hand so you didn't die to multiple The Racks.
@IzzysIssues
@IzzysIssues 3 жыл бұрын
Negator was #1 on my list, I first started playing with the Phyrexia/Coalition duel decks
@blaze556922
@blaze556922 3 жыл бұрын
We are around the same age I believe and also found myself reevaluating cards from my childhood that I used to think were bad. I remember opening packs of onslaught and being upset that I got fetch lands 😆 I was like who wants a land in their rare slot?
@johngleeman8347
@johngleeman8347 3 жыл бұрын
I always laugh when I picture Phyrexian Negator stabbing other creatures with its huge, pointy chin.
@RPGRelicHunter
@RPGRelicHunter 3 жыл бұрын
I watched a vid of yours from 5 years ago and I want to tell you your voice work has really improved from then! You sound much more engaging.
@skillganon606
@skillganon606 3 жыл бұрын
I remember being 10 or 11 and my dad got me the world champion decks from that year. They all ran multiple copies of Rishadan Port and for the life of me I couldn't figure out why the card was good.
@smashflame2136
@smashflame2136 3 жыл бұрын
I first started playing during tarkir block, and when dragons of tarkir came I thought that silumgar was bad. Now I have him as the commander of one of my favorite decks.
@TheKarishi
@TheKarishi 3 жыл бұрын
In many of these you see the invisible power of choice and patience. If you're used to playing everything the second you get it, anything that might be bad the first opportunity you have to play it feels like a bad card overall. But as you said: Since you get to choose when the card shows up or the effect takes place, you always have the capacity to drop it when you're ready and your opponent isn't. Cool listicle!
@IntercactusYKW
@IntercactusYKW 3 жыл бұрын
Hated drawing stone rain, since me and my dad sucked at shuffling so we usually had lots of lands and very little other permanents down, so it never did much
@eccod
@eccod 4 ай бұрын
Oh man this brings back memories. I was a teenager when Tempest came out. I kept pulling Wastelands and I was upset because I thought they were awful
@sammysammyson
@sammysammyson 3 жыл бұрын
Life, life, life...a lot of these comments and my own experience when I was a new player are about life. Overcoming the idea that your life total is the most valuable resource you have (well, in a way it is, but you need to be willing to *spend* it due to said value, I suppose) is a key learning curve in Magic. I know I'm stating the obvious to many, but I always find it interesting to compare how adamantly I defended my life total 6 years ago versus how often I take the 8 nowadays.
@morikanti
@morikanti 3 ай бұрын
Rath´s Edge also ignores x/1 creatures' "protection from (whatever color)", like Soltari Priest/Monk, Mother of Runes, etc.
@TheOmninovoi
@TheOmninovoi 3 жыл бұрын
I think Ichorid is at the top of my list. I had no idea about the dredge archetype....
@LadyBernkastel92
@LadyBernkastel92 3 жыл бұрын
I think the most important lesson that new magic players learn that turn them from newbies to good players are that things like bouncing your own creature, discarding cards, sacrificing creatures, and cards that ask you to pay life are only downsides if you don't build around them. When I first saw Carrion Feeder my intial thought was 'Well that's useless, why would I give up a whole creature to make this creature only a little better?' Then I discovered Golgari.
@MrAhhh33
@MrAhhh33 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool to have some retrospect on magic cards. Its an ever evolving game, makes it one of the best!
@rjphilla
@rjphilla 3 жыл бұрын
We all absolutely love what you do. Please keep being you. The new Mic Is fantastic by the way.
@TheTrueFool
@TheTrueFool 3 жыл бұрын
I love the more subjective top tens you do on this channel!
@laginbehind7759
@laginbehind7759 3 жыл бұрын
For me it was the fetchlands. I pulled a Flooded Strand in onslaught and thought it was terrible. Why would I want to pay a life to get a basic is what I thought back then. Yeah way off
@brandynjohnson2248
@brandynjohnson2248 3 жыл бұрын
The Tangle Wire/Deranged Hermit deck was my favorite when I was a kid
@TheAllRedState
@TheAllRedState 3 жыл бұрын
You should add sneak and show to your deck history polls
@areujokingme
@areujokingme 3 жыл бұрын
I remember one of the first booster packs I ever cracked, I pulled an Entomb. I was so miffed. Why the f$&k would I wanna put it in my graveyard?! Imagine the look on my face when, a couple days later, I play this kid who pops off turn 1 with a Swamp, into Dark Ritual, into Entomb, fetches Akroma, and then casts Exhume with the last 2 floating. My jaw was on the floor.
@CraigPage85
@CraigPage85 3 жыл бұрын
REALLY loved your last video about bad cards you thought were good…happy to see the reverse!
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@smithcm14
@smithcm14 3 жыл бұрын
Any advice on how I can sell old, valuable cards from my childhood collection?
@Inforza
@Inforza 3 жыл бұрын
i remember i tried to make an aether rift deck... maybe some ramp in, but it was mostly build around 4 aether rift and just big massive creatures to get that value out for free.. that deck was sooo bad :D although that does belong in the bad cards i thought where good list.. and now i am watching the video i notice some of the cards i played in a deck that got me 2nd place in a local T1.5 tournament. played a monogreen deck with 4x argothian wurm, 4x blastoderm, 4x pouncing jaguars, 4x rancor, 4x giant growth, 4x might of oak, 4x llanowar elf, 4x BoP.. and that deck both ran 4x tangle wire and 4x plow under.. only lost to a kudzu combo deck cause back in the day kudzu had an errata that kudzu came back everytime you sacrifised it.. so that deck either made a million life or sacrificed it to an atog for a million damage.. both tangle wire and plow under gives you a great tempo advance by slowing the opponent down.
@Tostiv
@Tostiv 3 жыл бұрын
My problem was also overestimating certain cards that just weren't that good because they were super expensive. I'm not 100% sure anymore what I traded my Gaea's Cradle away for as a kid but I think it was a Spirit of the Night... Oh well...
@TheRiseAgainstify
@TheRiseAgainstify 3 жыл бұрын
Blood moon. Non of my friends had anything but nonbasic lands. Traded it to a mate for a while kawigama spirit dragon thing I thought looked sick.
@DMofDMs
@DMofDMs 3 жыл бұрын
Plow Under plus Stunted Growth. Ice Storm, Winter's Grasp, Creeping Mold --green control/prison?
@jonothanthrace1530
@jonothanthrace1530 2 жыл бұрын
Rishadan Port seems like a fun way to screw fetches, among other things.
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't do much with fetches. They just sac them in response.
@jorgemendieta8085
@jorgemendieta8085 3 жыл бұрын
Mine was shocklands, my first time i opened a shockland in original Ravnica i thought it was really bad, but thanks to a friend that was more experienced i didn´t trade it bad.
@TimmytheSorcerer
@TimmytheSorcerer 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, love plow under 👍 First time I’m seeing the card 😂
@omnivision616
@omnivision616 3 жыл бұрын
I remember teenage me loving tangle wire. The art is bad ass, artifacts look cool, and it was an awesome control piece back in the day.
@graysonmclester9137
@graysonmclester9137 3 жыл бұрын
Would love a top ten on ways that you thought the game worked that were comepltly wrong when you were younger. I'll go first, I was introduced to magic at a freinds birthday party and didn't know how to play (it was a draft). I was excited and intrigued so I went home and tried to teach one of my freinds how to play and we just kinda figured it out as we went and of course we couldn't look up rules so we kinda just made them up. Long winded way of saying that we thought you could play as many lands as you had in your hand in any give turn. Boy let's say it changed things up when we found out we could only play one land per turn 🤪
@DaveyDAKFAE
@DaveyDAKFAE 3 жыл бұрын
My brother started this way and while he knows the rules now he still fondly remembers *picking* his hand of 7 before shuffling the rest and having a separate deck for lands and drawing one land and one nonland every turn
@tylerannand3777
@tylerannand3777 3 жыл бұрын
I had to inform my brother in law's playgroup (who had been playing since... The Dark maybe?) That regeneration tapped just a few years ago
@petersteiman2443
@petersteiman2443 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought of just doing an episode on The Top 10 Cards of All Time. Or maybe a top 10 list of the 10 most stacked lists you’ve done.
@anthonyspanitz3615
@anthonyspanitz3615 3 жыл бұрын
When I first got into magic I got a fat pack of avacyn restored and pulled a craterhoof behemoth. When I first saw it, I thought it sucked because it was 8 mana for a 5/5. I put it away somewhere and haven't found it since despite my best efforts.
@crotair1089
@crotair1089 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like you still understood MTG better than me at age 11-12. I'd have put Negator in a deck just because he looks cool.
@alyssinwilliams4570
@alyssinwilliams4570 3 жыл бұрын
YAH!!!! Finally my baby boy Phyrexian Negator makes a list!!
@ralphiemay8933
@ralphiemay8933 3 жыл бұрын
That is the same strategy I used for Negator. The moment I saw it I thought of dark ritual into turn 1 Negator
@lachlank.8270
@lachlank.8270 2 жыл бұрын
Plow Under is not just incredibly good but also a perfect match of game mechanic to the flavour
@kylejohnson150
@kylejohnson150 3 жыл бұрын
Rishadan port was one of my earliest rare pulls when I was a broke middle schooler hardly able to get my hands on a new booster or two, was sooo sad and couldnt believe Inquest had the foil priced at 50$+
@aeturnum
@aeturnum 3 жыл бұрын
For me this was avalanche riders. All I really thought about was board state and multicolor decks or decks with maximized mana curves were uncommon in my player group, so by t4 taking out a land seemed mediocre for 8 mana over two turns.
@necrogenesis1981
@necrogenesis1981 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Mana Drain was bad, but to be fair at the time it kind of was because of mana burn. I made the mistake of trading it away and obviously ended up feeling stupid. I also thought cards that cost other resources were bad too.
@flobo23
@flobo23 3 жыл бұрын
Yagmoths Will. I did absolutly not get it back then ^^
@UwURainUwU
@UwURainUwU 3 жыл бұрын
Before I really got into MTG as an adult, I had a short spell because of a cousin were I gave magic a chance in-between my borderline obsession with Pokémon and Yu-gi-oh cards growing up. The only card I remember that fits with this video's title would be "Dragon Blood" (Mirrodin), I literally thought it was the most OP thing in the word, and I honestly couldn't tell you why...
@frankvandorp9732
@frankvandorp9732 3 жыл бұрын
Cavern Harpy was even better back in the day because damage still used the stack. So you could block a creature, have 2 damage go on the stack, and then pay 1 life to bounce it before it would die.
@bonidc6732
@bonidc6732 3 жыл бұрын
Artifact Lands, always wondered why they were banned
@Zo3yX
@Zo3yX 3 жыл бұрын
When I started playing MTG I was given a bunch of random cards from a friend who was moving. There was a rishadan port. I thought it was bad and when a "friend" said it was worth only 50 cents and asked if he could have it I gave it to him. Only to find it a couple weeks later on my first trip to my LGS priced at 120$
@marcumfleet502
@marcumfleet502 3 жыл бұрын
What’s the card in the thumbnail? I’m surprised it wasn’t in the video. Is it a different art for phyrexian negator?
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@ploepiplayer6150
@ploepiplayer6150 Жыл бұрын
Recently packed a Rishadan Port, thought it was just some bulk rare gem I found lol
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