Much Abrew: Battle of Wits (Modern, Magic Online)

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MTGGoldfish

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@messypeter397
@messypeter397 5 жыл бұрын
This video features sac-ing all your lands just to assert dominance what a alpha beast that Seth
@luizgmarin
@luizgmarin 5 жыл бұрын
"thin the deck" 251 cards
@felipeluz5035
@felipeluz5035 5 жыл бұрын
250 is still less than 251¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@bobbyjbarron
@bobbyjbarron 5 жыл бұрын
*laughs in crim*
@Elyeras
@Elyeras 5 жыл бұрын
Bobby Barron ko
@lizardoo8632
@lizardoo8632 5 жыл бұрын
Ultimate strategy: run around 250 cards without Battle of Wits. The opponent will never suspect it
@andrewsparkes8829
@andrewsparkes8829 5 жыл бұрын
Does Mycosynth Lattice turn sideboard cards into artifacts too? Could do the Karn + Lattice combo and meme it off even further with BoW in the sideboard too if so!
@NightKev
@NightKev 5 жыл бұрын
No, it doesn't affect cards outside of the game or in exile.
@eusebioalbertieri2248
@eusebioalbertieri2248 5 жыл бұрын
The biggest mistake is play 5 color Should play 4 And i've seen so many cards are not great in it
@ChopSueyyy
@ChopSueyyy 5 жыл бұрын
If you have every card in your deck there is no such thing as "no answer"
@Awsomepiggames
@Awsomepiggames 5 жыл бұрын
Andrew Sparkes I’ve heard people talking about playing this without battle of wits. You rarely actually play battle of wits.
@ChopSueyyy
@ChopSueyyy 5 жыл бұрын
I just love how the Hogaak player killed himself in its confusion
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you get free wins just from playing so many cards :)
@joehemmann1156
@joehemmann1156 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was confusion, I think he was trying to unlock the achievement of "Mill out your Battle of Wits opponent" and didn't do the math before going for it
@Devn8tr
@Devn8tr 5 жыл бұрын
He honestly could’ve done that way better by continuing to cast hogaak and sacrifice it by tapping the old hogaak, exiling all cards except hogaak and bridge, and using all the zombies to tap for mana for hogaak, could’ve maybe done it but it’s a lot of math. Haven’t done it yet
@stevoyah
@stevoyah 5 жыл бұрын
Hogaak is confused, it hurts itself in confusion
@vekeuimonen11
@vekeuimonen11 5 жыл бұрын
@@Devn8tr each hogaak is worth 8 mill and the zombies it brings give 8 mill more. So he just needed 11 more hogaaks. He had 28 untapped zombies in the end, so after first hogaak thats 20 left, play new hogaak by convoking the old one and 7 zombies, sac the old one and get 4 new zombies ->leads up to 17 untapped zombies and a hogaak. There on it costs 3 zombies to make one cycle, so he had enough for 5 more. Thats 7 of the 11 needed. The last 4 can be played by delving 3 cards each time, and he definitely had 12 cards to delve. So there you have it, easy win for the opponent if he had the determination to do it.
@VoidPrincessNoire
@VoidPrincessNoire 5 жыл бұрын
Alright, here's my decklist. It hasn't been updated in a hot minute. 155x Shadowborn Apostle 1 Grisslebrand 2 Rune-scarred demon 2 battle of wits 109 lands (just run enough ways to get blue so you have double blue by turn 5) It gets the battle of wits off on turn 5 fairly often, but this deck is pretty much solitaire to play.
@somethingknew9152
@somethingknew9152 5 жыл бұрын
Add 4 Thrumming Stones and you're good
@DeepCDiva
@DeepCDiva 5 жыл бұрын
A Surgical or any other lobotomy would be heartbreaking tho'
@FnordKyuss
@FnordKyuss 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, you need the thrumming stones.
@tempestotter6856
@tempestotter6856 5 жыл бұрын
Do I sense some josh shadowborn apostle deck shenanigans from game knights?!
@kaisburg2450
@kaisburg2450 5 жыл бұрын
Noah Sadek No, that deck is about cycling shadowborn apostles from and to graveyards. This deck is more or less about playing a turn 5 demonic tutor.
@shwift8789
@shwift8789 5 жыл бұрын
For a second I thought this was going to be an 1:40:00 deck tech
@felipeluz5035
@felipeluz5035 5 жыл бұрын
Too slow to be an Instant Deck Tech... Better call it a Sorcery Deck Tech.
@davidl5852
@davidl5852 5 жыл бұрын
same
@Gobeman
@Gobeman 5 жыл бұрын
You deserve an upvote for that.
@Dreadnought_XIII
@Dreadnought_XIII 5 жыл бұрын
I mean...it’s a battle of wits deck...so it wouldn’t be that weird
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
It probably could have been, if I had actually talked about the entire deck.
@MidgarMerc
@MidgarMerc 5 жыл бұрын
"So what's your win condition?" "Yes."
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761 5 жыл бұрын
Win con?
@dboeify
@dboeify 5 жыл бұрын
Every deck: "I'm not sure this is a good match up for us." There may be a trend here
@darkencroix6412
@darkencroix6412 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah. A trend that no deck is without flaw.
@mikeciul8599
@mikeciul8599 5 жыл бұрын
48:30 "103 lands and mana-screwed. How is that possible?" I was curious what the odds are with such a big deck so I checked with the hypergeometric calculator: Drawing 10 cards out of 269, you have a 19% chance that 2 or fewer will be lands. Given that the opening hand had 2 lands and you fetched a third out of the deck, the chance of drawing no lands in the first 3 draws was 23%. Seems pretty possible to me.
@rlidwka
@rlidwka 5 жыл бұрын
About hogaak mill in game 1, after 17:00 board state: In total your opponent could've cast 23 more hogaaks with total mill of 423 cards. Rough approximation: 28 cards in GY + 22 untapped zombies give you up to 25 hogaaks (each costs 2, the rest are paid with previous hogaak+4 zombies) with 16 cards milled each, so 400 in total + 60 on board = 460. But I've carefully checked what happens, so last two are impossible (out of fuel) and 23th hogaak will exile 3 bridges and only mill for 10. Math is probably too long to post here.
@Volvary
@Volvary 5 жыл бұрын
I believe you may have forgotten that the Vengevine & Feeder will give off 8 zombies in total, bringing the total up to around 27 or 28 if you do the exiling of Bridge. My count was 497 cards milled.
@Shmupwithyou
@Shmupwithyou 5 жыл бұрын
I got to 17 Hogaaks, but I forgot that he could covoke another one and then sac to mill with the other on the stack. I got to around 275 milled, so it was definitely possible.
@Lukkni
@Lukkni 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was triggered when i heard the "hogaak costs 5", like what? He had the kill, he just hard missplayed it
@bulbags1
@bulbags1 5 жыл бұрын
This is the jankiest of the jank, and I love every 100 minutes of it.
@SlipknotSAW40
@SlipknotSAW40 5 жыл бұрын
I love it when Much Abrew feels like Against The Odds.
@chrisschweitzer1161
@chrisschweitzer1161 5 жыл бұрын
I played BoW in paper for at least a month when they first reprinted it in a core set. I really like the tension in paper with the deck because the most consistent way to find BoW is to chain together search effects. The tension comes from the fact you have to shuffle every time you search to sufficiently randomize the deck. That takes alot of time. So every search effect makes it easier to find but harder to finish the game on time. I always felt like the opponent was the time clock behind me and not the person in front of me. Very enjoyable to view the game on a different axis.
@refreshdaemon
@refreshdaemon 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for trying! I did once play against a Battle of Wits player in Sealed of all things and it was just a huge pile of lands. He didn't win much, but I did hear that he won a couple games with Battle of Wits, but not one match. It was a pretty tall stack and he let me and the judge help him with shuffling.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
Battle of Wits in sealed seems super hard.
@refreshdaemon
@refreshdaemon 5 жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfish I had it in my sealed pool too, but I wasn't mad enough to play it. Although since you can't interact with it much, I guess you could just try to mulligan into it and hope for the best.
@azerim2039
@azerim2039 5 жыл бұрын
I think, that this deck should run a copy of each Urza land, just in case you draw into them.
@Volvary
@Volvary 5 жыл бұрын
269 cards, draws natural tron.
@azerim2039
@azerim2039 5 жыл бұрын
The chance of natural tron on starting hand would be 0.001%, so 1 in 100 000
@snakeman4games383
@snakeman4games383 5 жыл бұрын
This better be a joke, right? That is trash advice.
@jstuckless
@jstuckless 5 жыл бұрын
@@Volvary Some days I feel like my opponents would do this every game.
@eastmanholloway6346
@eastmanholloway6346 5 жыл бұрын
That’s my friend! He played this in cardboard and it was so much fun to play against!!
@DDNEV
@DDNEV 5 жыл бұрын
No primeval titan? Why not if you also have valakuts in the deck?
@stephenlofton5403
@stephenlofton5403 5 жыл бұрын
MrEvitcartta after watching the match’s the deck 100% wants 4 primetime 4 scapeshift and additional support for it. Tutors and lands actually could be a huge key to success in this deck since there is so much redundancy built in.
@MrBallin510
@MrBallin510 5 жыл бұрын
He couldn’t find the right cuts to squeeze them in
@gingerkid427
@gingerkid427 5 жыл бұрын
"how does anyone beat a turn two hogaak?" path to exile: "Am I a joke to you?"
@bromulrich483
@bromulrich483 5 жыл бұрын
Carrion feeder: am I a joke to you?
@musicman88881
@musicman88881 5 жыл бұрын
It's cute you think that beats a t2 Hogaak.
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761
@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761 5 жыл бұрын
Grafdiggers cage: am I a joke to you?
@robspear03
@robspear03 5 жыл бұрын
@@musicman88881 It almost certainly does. As does RIP, LotV and Cage. The deck isnt unbeatable. But, kids jump on a new shiny toy without reading the choking hazards....
@silverdeathgamer2907
@silverdeathgamer2907 5 жыл бұрын
@@robspear03 Tormod's crypt also is very good in certain decks that don't get much value from the graveyard or that synergise well with cheap artifacts.
@zacharychanoi7544
@zacharychanoi7544 5 жыл бұрын
You know it’s sad when Seth is wondering what card the deck needs and there’s literally already 269 cards in the deck.
@daarendurga2369
@daarendurga2369 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting alter on that Plains at 40:00 lol
@alasanof
@alasanof 5 жыл бұрын
I love that all the cards go off the screen in the deck tech.
@MrLucasbear
@MrLucasbear 5 жыл бұрын
This is a deck that preys on knowledge of the modern format to win. You cripple your opponents with slaughter games and unmoored ego then just lazily win whenever you happen to draw something cute I am so in love with this deck.
@felipeluz5035
@felipeluz5035 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a Shadowborn Apostle + Battle of Wits deck, and probably stuff like Rune-Scarred Demon to tutor the Battle of Wits... The main problem I see is matches against stuff like Surgical Extraction, but other than that it seems like a pretty fun idea. xD
@mrbobtehbuildah
@mrbobtehbuildah 5 жыл бұрын
With the current meta and Surgical being main-deckable (arguable), I'd say it sounds hard to get good results.
@VoidPrincessNoire
@VoidPrincessNoire 5 жыл бұрын
I have actually tested this. It is a (pretty) consistent turn 5 kill, but the number of shadowborn apostles you need to make the deck work leaves almost no room for any kind of interaction. It's cute, but kind of boring to play tbh.
@silverdeathgamer2907
@silverdeathgamer2907 5 жыл бұрын
@@VoidPrincessNoire How does it fare against mass removal?
@mrbobtehbuildah
@mrbobtehbuildah 5 жыл бұрын
Idea to fix that problem! g2 bring in lab maniac lol
@tylerstegman6846
@tylerstegman6846 5 жыл бұрын
Needs thrumming stone
@jfuite
@jfuite 5 жыл бұрын
"Do you need some cards from today's show? . . . ."
@lucky.striker6337
@lucky.striker6337 5 жыл бұрын
"eladrami's call" classic
@colinjones5379
@colinjones5379 5 жыл бұрын
LOL Scapeshift; sac all lands; fail to find; win anyway XD XD
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
Gotta send a message.
@MrShinyObject
@MrShinyObject 5 жыл бұрын
I like a blue green build that focuses on draw and ramp, but also plays 8 shocks and some mountains and valakut. It seems like an easy way to take advantage of having a huge deck to kill out of nowhere.
@manuelito1233
@manuelito1233 5 жыл бұрын
Holy hell that's a heeeeellll of a deck list.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
It's big.
@gaspachazo815
@gaspachazo815 5 жыл бұрын
Let's make a BoW deck with just Shadowborn Apostles, Thrumming Stones, Rune Scarred Demons, black tutors, and maybe a Griselbrand
@jaredwonnacott9732
@jaredwonnacott9732 5 жыл бұрын
I had a 215 card deck that was pretty successful at actually "Battle of Wits"ing for the win. It used a lot of the cards that had Transmute and basically every tutor I owned. I ran a couple Planar Portals since there are more artifact tutors than anything. A little ramp and protection and I was able to do pretty well in the casual world. It didn't always win, but when it did, it was almost always with the BoW.
@manuelito1233
@manuelito1233 5 жыл бұрын
Wait, zombie goblins???
@christopherwoodbury7520
@christopherwoodbury7520 5 жыл бұрын
Why not? Festering goblin exists already.
@totallynotthecia
@totallynotthecia 5 жыл бұрын
Idyllic Tutor lets you fetch an enchantment for 2{w}
@jstuckless
@jstuckless 5 жыл бұрын
And Enlightened Tutor lets you fetch an enchantment to the top of your library for 1W
@benadler724
@benadler724 5 жыл бұрын
@@jstuckless it's just W, but not modern legal, I can't imagine why Idyllic tutor is not in the deck though.
@jstuckless
@jstuckless 5 жыл бұрын
@@benadler724 mb, you're right. Still, agreed, Idyllic seems like a no brainer.
@DeepCDiva
@DeepCDiva 5 жыл бұрын
I actually think the deck is good, but hard to pilot. Mulligan choices are harder than usual and there are so many tutors that navigating all your choices and knowing the deck inside and out becomes really crucial. Super fun idea tho', loved the Madcap Experiment tech.
@ManOfTrades
@ManOfTrades 5 жыл бұрын
Spooky Saffron 1:06:26
@enbt93
@enbt93 5 жыл бұрын
I like that in game two we drew the decay so they were dead no matter what. I also fairly enjoyed the opponent misplacing directly after you say it doesn't take much brain to play the deck
@fasthippy
@fasthippy 5 жыл бұрын
I have built BOW competitively in the past. The way i approached it was to put categories of cards in the deck and to think of cards as % (or equivalents of) instead of number. So for example if you wanted 4 of BOW (for a 60 card deck) you need 4*4 BOW or searchers- I went with transmute cards, gifts, and the epic enchantment searcher meaning i was running more than a 4 of equivalent. I played a BUW control variant that had a light enchantment combo theme with equivalent of 4-6 of BOW/searchers, 4 of Wrath effect, 6-8 of counter spells, 6-8 of discard, 4-6 removal, 4-6 of draw/land get effects, a variety of meta target that were searchable and/or enchantments, and a zur the enchanter package. You can build it anyway you like but by building towards a deck type and putting in equivalents of its pretty easy to build a competitive shell while also not thinking too much. Also to note gifts is great when you can grab 4 different kinds of the same card- like 4 life gain, 4 wrath or 2-3 of with snapcaster and such. My version was in paper but i don't recommend that. Based on my build above a rough shell is: BOW cards 4 BOW 4 Idyllic Tutor 4 Gifts 4 Mystic Teaching 4 Enduring Ideal Wrath effects 4 settle the wrekage 4 Bontu's last reckoning 4 damnation 4 supreme verdict Counter stuff 4 condescend 4 mana leak 4 remand 4 Absorb 4 supreme will 4 Cryptic Command Discard stuff 4 funeral charm 4 inquisition of kozilek 4 thoughtseize 4 collective brutality 4 mind shatter 4 esper charm destroy that 4 Fatal Push 4 Path to Exile 4 Dimir Charm 4 victim of night 4 utter end 4 kaya's guile Draw lots 4 Opt 4 azorius charm 4 Pull from Tommorow 4 Sphinx's Revelation Meta/Alternate win 4 lilliana of the veil 4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy 4 Jace, theMind Sculptor 1 form of dragon (For epic spell lock out win) 1 Night of Souls' Betrayal 1 mirari conjecture XX meta cards XX Zur package ~100 land
@TheVladeha
@TheVladeha 5 жыл бұрын
42:44 Seth admits that thinning is the thing in MTG. Got ya
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
Lol. Thinning is a thin in gameplay, it's just not enough of a thing that you should considered it in deck building (i.e. play fetches for no reason other than to thin your deck). If you're playing fetches to fix your mana you might as well use them to thin your deck, even if it only helps a tiny bit according to the math.
@Volvary
@Volvary 5 жыл бұрын
In that M1 G2, the Hogaak player could have milled you for around 197(E: 497) cards if I counted right, accounting for all the additional Hogaaks that could have been casted from the zombies on the board (8 per hogaak) as well as any follow up hogaak casted from the newly created zombies of those Hogaaks. This ends up to a total of 11(E: 27) Hogaak, between all the Hogaaks with Delve/Convoke and all the Hogaak from Convoke only, 52 zombies, the Vengevine and the Feeder. EDIT: New count, using the real CMC of Hogaak (7, not 8) ends to 497 cards milled, with 27 Hogaaks coming into play. Seth was dead if opponent took the time to process the combo fully. (*Then again, when do you really have to take the time to do your combo completely*)
@Vaguelazytangent
@Vaguelazytangent 5 жыл бұрын
Hogaak costs 7, so wouldn't it be more like 17 Hogaaks?
@MineRoyale.
@MineRoyale. 5 жыл бұрын
@@Vaguelazytangent it costs 8.
@Vaguelazytangent
@Vaguelazytangent 5 жыл бұрын
@@MineRoyale. gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=464151 Is there something increasing cost that I'm missing?
@MrThorSir
@MrThorSir 5 жыл бұрын
@@Vaguelazytangent It mills for eight, as the mill is based on power not cmc. gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=464167
@Volvary
@Volvary 5 жыл бұрын
So, after a recount on Hogaak = 7 CMC ( I counted for 8 at first), the new total I arrived to was around 27 Hogaak casts (A 28th is possible by exiling a bridge and the second Hogaak for the loop but I didn't count it), creating a whopping 138 zombies and milling for 497 cards. (This is counting the fact that if you have 2 Hogaaks, you can cast Hogaak from graveyard by tapping a on the battlefield hogaak and 6 other "mana", then sac Hogaak in response to mill.)
@PotatoGuidanceMissle
@PotatoGuidanceMissle 5 жыл бұрын
I need more battle of wits in my life
@Skusioh
@Skusioh 5 жыл бұрын
As a timmy, i was so fascinated by battle of wits because it was the first "you win the game" card i ever saw. But after watching this video, i now truely realize how hard it is to win with this card :D
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
In defense of Battle of Wits, this build of the deck doesn't do a great job of tutoring it up, but it's also true that with so many cards the odds of drawing Battle of Wits in any given game are pretty low.
@ShenanigansbyGamers
@ShenanigansbyGamers 5 жыл бұрын
I just see Seth building around panharmonicon and making a sweet enter the battlefield effects. When M20 comes out you get 8 panharmonicon effects.
@thomashearne4670
@thomashearne4670 5 жыл бұрын
Genuinely didn't know if this was an hour and a half deck tech with how big the deck is
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I have no idea how to deck tech a deck this big. Would take forever.
@weirdproq
@weirdproq 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man. I see Battle of Wits deck tech, I click.
@thomashearne4670
@thomashearne4670 5 жыл бұрын
Naming this "my entire collection.Dec"
@geesegoose6174
@geesegoose6174 5 жыл бұрын
Battle of wits with apostle? Find a way to get all apostle in GY and a way to shuffle when you find your wits? OR CAN YOU MAKE A TREASURE OF WITS? I'm not a deck builder and don't know the little intricacies, but this seems somewhat doable minus the fact that you have a life total.
@eightbitblitz5868
@eightbitblitz5868 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine being just some random magic online player, then running into the guy with the 269-card deck and losing.
@tavitalvensaari6355
@tavitalvensaari6355 5 жыл бұрын
1:18:17 - "the world ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper."
@lillyw7064
@lillyw7064 5 жыл бұрын
Tbh he probably still gets cryptic bounce battle thoughtseize battle or counter battle. But maybe not
@sleepngdemon
@sleepngdemon 5 жыл бұрын
At 41:00 when he uses the 2nd surgical, couldn't you have flashed in the resto, blinking the eternal, re-targetting the supreme verdict?
@shanewong5092
@shanewong5092 5 жыл бұрын
No, the witness wasn't on board yet. He cast it before verdict was targeted for some reason.
@ParkerSeeley
@ParkerSeeley 5 жыл бұрын
Finally, the godfather of jank
@lolM88
@lolM88 5 жыл бұрын
The very first mulligan was a mistake, but you won me over with the "sack all my own lands to flex" move
@Live2Play1000
@Live2Play1000 5 жыл бұрын
19:12 if the opponent had actually played hogaak correctly there the extra 17 times instead of just starting sacrificing the zombies, he would've been able to mill about 336 cards total
@toomanypancakes
@toomanypancakes 5 жыл бұрын
You could probably do a UW Battle of Wits - you'd get access to supreme verdict, path, idyllic tutor, and even Solemnity with Lost Auramancers as possible options with white added in.
@BenDy3223
@BenDy3223 5 жыл бұрын
42:45 Keep thinning your what, Seth? I'm sorry, I didn't catch that over the MATHEMATICAL INSIGNIFICANCE
@ArchbardWava
@ArchbardWava 5 жыл бұрын
*THE CLOCK THICKENS*. Beautiful expression.
@DonovanPresents
@DonovanPresents 5 жыл бұрын
That abrupt decay in your hand game 1 against Grixis control could have gotten rid of spreading seas off one of your lands...
@bryantan4228
@bryantan4228 5 жыл бұрын
25:12 You actually want to not crack Elder here. Next turn you can attack with Elder to prevent them from double blocking Emperion, and still crack Elder after declare blocks
@brickcast7986
@brickcast7986 5 жыл бұрын
How many ways are there in modern to tutor cards from "outside the game"? My thought is that maybe running wits in the sideboard would give you more ways to effectively tutor it
@JamesBonedOO7
@JamesBonedOO7 5 жыл бұрын
Also doesn't leave the combo dead to unmoored ego / discard+extraction
@michaelburt9888
@michaelburt9888 5 жыл бұрын
Secretly a Bring to Light / Scapeshift ramp deck 😁
@crovax1375
@crovax1375 5 жыл бұрын
You really should be playing Invincible Hymn in this deck
@myztik5716
@myztik5716 5 жыл бұрын
He really shouldn't, he isn't getting 8 mana
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
So much lifegain!
@crovax1375
@crovax1375 5 жыл бұрын
@@myztik5716 he casted Iona in one of those matches
@robspear03
@robspear03 5 жыл бұрын
@@crovax1375 Cast, not casted. But, yes, i see your point.
@Galva94a
@Galva94a 5 жыл бұрын
Actually I think the line at 25:00 was to not sac sakura, and go attacking instead. This would have forced the chump emperion block, because it they double blocked sakura represented letal
@lillyw7064
@lillyw7064 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so sad at 20:54 when the opponent used assassins trophy, you didnt float mana and cast panglacial wurm just to stick it to them. But tbh I'm much more angry the opponent didnt max out the amount of mill by recasting hogacks to get more info from your deck. Also at 1:13:30 couldn't you have bring to light shapeshift since you had 7 lands including the dyad arbor? And they were under 18.
@Starcoffin
@Starcoffin 5 жыл бұрын
8:34 - I laughed way to hard at this.
@Borkybaby
@Borkybaby 5 жыл бұрын
A dude played this deck in a SCG team open. He played against Jeff hoogland.... was taking him 5 minutes to shuffle every turn with a fetch.
@MasterQuestMaster
@MasterQuestMaster 5 жыл бұрын
How many slow play warnings did he get?
@robspear03
@robspear03 5 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt have played anything that required too much shuffling against Hoogland, the whiny fuck.
@Borkybaby
@Borkybaby 5 жыл бұрын
Chantal Beck he def. did that. Then said this is ridiculous. The question came up that is he able to shuffle it unassisted. To go faster, the dude told Jeff “you can help shuffle 🤣”. So Jeff did...... n then brought up he’s not able to shuffle unassisted, I’m helping him
@Borkybaby
@Borkybaby 5 жыл бұрын
MasterQuestMaster seemed to get more questions regarding shuffling the deck unassisted
@bobbehboi3309
@bobbehboi3309 3 жыл бұрын
POV: you’re playing dimir mill in a tournament and your next matchup has a whole collection for a deck.
@MrThorSir
@MrThorSir 5 жыл бұрын
Have you considered using the 'opposite sideboard' strategy- I think you are more likely to tutor from your sideboard than draw the spells you need, so you might want to put cards you need into your sideboard so that they are more readily available?
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I hadn't really considered it, but that makes a lot of sense.
@yoriisoet
@yoriisoet 5 жыл бұрын
At 11:46 you could have gotten a stomping ground end of turn instead for a t3 anger of the gods. Insane luck how you won that game :D
@dimak134
@dimak134 5 жыл бұрын
It'd be fun, if Seth would play against 5 Mill deck. The shortest much abrew ever
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
I was hoping we'd play against Mill, but at least we got to play against Hogaak trying to mill us out.
@alanah8877
@alanah8877 5 жыл бұрын
I've never been more excited for a Much Abrew lol
@adriancaminati9640
@adriancaminati9640 5 жыл бұрын
1:40:00 you can't do that, probably the best way to play it on paper ( not recommended) is playing without sleeves
@gzzuss
@gzzuss 5 жыл бұрын
So I think u never pilot a edh triple sleeve deck! 👌
@denubisx
@denubisx 5 жыл бұрын
Ooo, perhaps you should add Canadian Highlander to the rotation?
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
I wish they would support it on Magic Online so we could!
@denubisx
@denubisx 5 жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfish I know Benjamin Wheeler does it somehow, but I imagine it's somewhat entailed and fiddly. Looking forward to when all of the various stars align and you can play 100 card jank :)
@howardthelog9949
@howardthelog9949 5 жыл бұрын
"We can't be milled out!" *fruity pebbles has entered chat*
@ScaredMotion
@ScaredMotion 5 жыл бұрын
Seth should have scaled the card info thingy on the right to show all of them and just have each info be so small x"D
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
No one would be able to read it.
@ScaredMotion
@ScaredMotion 5 жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfish That's the point, for the meme
@Nink262
@Nink262 4 жыл бұрын
"Sax and Mills" sounds fun
@meatrace
@meatrace 5 жыл бұрын
What's surprising to me is that, considering how incredibly powerful Hogaak is, the card hasn't skyrocketed in price.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
I think the fear of it getting banned might be part of what's keeping the price down a bit.
@FnordKyuss
@FnordKyuss 5 жыл бұрын
At Ontario Champs in 2005 a dude was there playing Battle of Wits, he did not do horrible. Had a caddy to help shuffle, as I believe at comp REL you can't play a deck that you can't shuffle unaided.
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'll play Battle of Wits at GP Vegas and make Tomer my shuffle caddy.
@FnordKyuss
@FnordKyuss 5 жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfish by caddy I meant a frame made of card or wood that allowed him to handle the deck without it dumping everywhere lol. But if Tomer is made out of wood and card you should probably take him to the hospital, or perhaps the hardware store.
@lordspaz88
@lordspaz88 5 жыл бұрын
4x Battle of wits ?x Islands 200+ Persistent Petitioners
@lucagiovanninieddu2603
@lucagiovanninieddu2603 4 жыл бұрын
Bestest deckest
@aethermech4585
@aethermech4585 5 жыл бұрын
LOL, Battle of wits is a deck designed to just be full of value and answers, i've done it during first Rav because of form of the dragon, worship, and enduring ideal. i played it standard when everyone was all in on the green mana flare decks, so i just rushed/ramped into transmute cards and demonic tutor and went and grabbed it. it was a blast, and oddly enough shuffling wasn't too bad
@quientoncunningham6776
@quientoncunningham6776 5 жыл бұрын
Pleasant Kenobi played a BoW deck not long ago... Did fairly well.
@keep7smiling
@keep7smiling 5 жыл бұрын
Well pleasant Kenobi surely didn't mulligan his best starting hands like seth does..
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
I get yelled at for not mulliganing enough and for mulliganing too much. Just can't win with the mulligans :)
@keep7smiling
@keep7smiling 5 жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfish well you always try your best and never stop being awesome :D As a viewer it's just much easier to assess the situation, so I tend to be more nitpicky. As a player I make way more mistakes than you. I can't even count how many times I skipped through combat, when I meant to attack, and then blame modo hahaha
@endermeap6488
@endermeap6488 5 жыл бұрын
What’s the sylvan scrying for? Why not have a ramp spell or something else?
@SomeFreakingCactus
@SomeFreakingCactus 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of people misunderstand Battle of Wits decks. It’s not a combo deck - it’s a toolbox deck. In fact, you usually don’t win with Battle of Wits. You get every card you could possibly need, dozens of ways to tutor them, and countless ways to beat whatever your opponent throws at you. Sometimes it’s having Battle of Wits. Sometimes it’s pulling off an infinite combo. Sometimes you mow them over with big creatures. Battle of Wits is just the namesake.
@tommythechoochoo3502
@tommythechoochoo3502 5 жыл бұрын
Omg this deck is beautiful
@mattomann1093
@mattomann1093 4 жыл бұрын
What about shadowborn apostle + rune scarred demon to make battle of wits work?
@MetaKnight23
@MetaKnight23 4 жыл бұрын
this deck just got better with the new UW companion
@AutumnIntoSummer
@AutumnIntoSummer 5 жыл бұрын
you'd almost need a 3rd-party shuffler for paper battle of wits decks. i'd volunteer
@kiria1975
@kiria1975 5 жыл бұрын
Battle of wits is unplayable in paper because of insufficient randomization and slow play when shuffling
@turnipy88
@turnipy88 5 жыл бұрын
1:17:49 Seth speaks French.
@ogge277
@ogge277 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe you have to fetch more aggressively for shock lands and accept that as part of the deck's strength and weaknesses.
@huensao
@huensao 5 жыл бұрын
"the clock thickens"
@zacharymccutcheon8607
@zacharymccutcheon8607 5 жыл бұрын
The variance in this deck. You could play the same match 200 times and get different results each time.
@Somuntioalt
@Somuntioalt 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Seth! Against Tron you cast Bring to Light a couple times. You could have gone for Knight of Autumn and destroy the Oblivion Stone!
@mxspokes
@mxspokes 5 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised he didn't get gifts ungiven, for battle of wits, eternal witness, knight of autumn, unburial rites
@joshwhitmire5753
@joshwhitmire5753 4 жыл бұрын
Yorion probably makes this deck like 1000 times better
@geesegoose6174
@geesegoose6174 5 жыл бұрын
@24:47 why couldn't he scapeshift a volcano and a mountain to win? Or do you just want flavor wins, Seth?
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
We needed another land. With just five lands we would have triggered Valakut.
@geesegoose6174
@geesegoose6174 5 жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfish THANK YOU!!! I guess reading the card explains the card 😅 I appreciate you taking the time to reply!
@ExtremeMedium
@ExtremeMedium 5 жыл бұрын
I havent started watching the match yet, but there better be one against Mill just for pure hilarity
@jstuckless
@jstuckless 5 жыл бұрын
Sort of...
@jonathansnow21
@jonathansnow21 5 жыл бұрын
I really did enjoy the video, Seth. BUT this is the definition of an against the odds deck. I know it went 6-2, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
@johngutteridge4735
@johngutteridge4735 5 жыл бұрын
commander in modern. seems awesome
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty much sums up the deck.
@kaoticshadow
@kaoticshadow 5 жыл бұрын
Seth if you want panglacial, just tutor out forests so you can cast it lmfao
@Alexhandre13
@Alexhandre13 5 жыл бұрын
Yugi would be undefeated with this deck.
@josephporrazzo2982
@josephporrazzo2982 5 жыл бұрын
Why no idyllic tutors. Or brainspoils?
@xakuyer
@xakuyer 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine playing this in paper, shuffling is insane
@MTGGoldfish
@MTGGoldfish 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure it's actually possible to shuffle it in paper.
@LilTuba
@LilTuba 5 жыл бұрын
What about running selective memory?
@wldnrkls
@wldnrkls 5 жыл бұрын
25:39 can you not scapeshift kill?
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