1-Drops vs 2-Drops v 3-Drops vs 4-Drops Commander Clash | S17 E10

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[@jacobtrahan1993]

1 drops, 2 drops, red drops, blue drops

[@paradoxlegionarre2619]

Dr.suess episode

[@aldenp880]

oh man that would be fantastic

[@CreateWorlds]

@@paradoxlegionarre2619not convinced Seth knows who that is

[@andymccoy8393]

Alright get my like

[@markuskoivisto]

Izzet delver

[@Therealdobby]

As a follow up to this, you should each do one of the four numerical companions - Odd only, Even only, 2 or less, 4 or more (Obosh, Gyruda, Lurrus, and Keruga).

[@manwithabasicprofilepic]

Richard with a token go-wide strategy: What can I do? He’s got a Maze of Ith!

[@bobwilson679]

He was referring to the ormendahl

[@kaller949]

26:16 well that cranial archive sounds like a strong card 😂 "Target player shuffles their library into their graveyard and you draw a card"

[@simic0racle157]

The simic way to equip colossus hammer is to pay 8 mana.

[@laytonjr6601]

If you don't miss all your land drops

[@simic0racle157]

@@laytonjr6601 If you are missing all your land drops in simic your doing something wrong.

[@laytonjr6601]

@@simic0racle157 did we watch the same video?

[@simic0racle157]

@@laytonjr6601 yeah? The one that contained 0 colossus hammers and weird deck building restrictions that no sane person would recommend for a well built deck. What are you on about?

[@simic0racle157]

@@laytonjr6601 @ 9:46 Richard says "depends if there's simic ways to equip a Colossus Hammer" my comment is a joke about simic land decks in commander. The idea behind the joke is the blue and green decks tend to draw lost of cards and play extra lands, so the idea is that rather than cheating the 8 mana to euip the mentioned artifact a simic deck would just ramp to 8 mana. My comment really only "comments" on 15 second of the video.

[@Punkinonthefloor]

Tomer, Sacrificing 1 land and playing 3 lands that sacrifices themselves: "I can't draw lands!"

[@Sackquaza]

In my opinion, Tomer overlooked a better 1-drop commander in the form of Frodo, Sauron's Bane. Frodo only needs trample, protection, or can't be blocked to make someone lose the game.

[@wetbread4980]

thats boring tho

[@BeatyBe]

**SPOILER COMMENT** I really appreciate the damage pop up saying "nice" when Tomer took 69 damage. That's the kind of attention to detail I love.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

before watching: 4 drops seem like a shoe-in to win considering how many insanely powerful cards sit on 4 and with omnath surely it'll just run the table. we'll see!

[@Drewsky32]

I thought so, too! I also thought that 2-drops seem like they have a lot of gas, so I initially thought that it was between Seth and Phil.

[@matt21643]

I find my most overcrowded and hard to cut slot is 3 when building. So I'm believing 3 is going to do well at the least

[@molicc]

I think it was one of the best thematic games you've done so far, not just because of the theme itself but the game itself was very interesting! Great work guys ! 👍

[@TB317]

Agreed. I really enjoyed this.

[@spicymints2655]

babe wake up, new commander clash

[@Dragiceoriginal]

Richard: “How would I know you wanted to attack Seth you never told me!” Except Tomer did. He literally said it a few minutes earlier.

[@TB317]

tbf, a few minutes to us is not necessarily that time to them due to editing and such.

[@Verlajn11]

oh we're so dead to 1/4 commander whos getting a counter on it... god damn it's been a while since Richard or Seth did this kind of gaslighting, I didn't miss it either :D

[@Spaced92]

Seth/Richard see a one drop. "Oh we're so dead." Guys come on!

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

You seem to have overlooked that it was a 1/4 that draws two cards when it hits a player, on an empty board.

[@Verlajn11]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 you seem to overlook the dynamics of the game where everyone knew Tomer will draw maybe one land and one one drop on average which was typically something janky. Next to him was gdamn omnath casting four drops that will over value 1 drop deck in a turn or two

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@Verlajn11 ... are we not watching the same game? This was turn 3, and the only player with a board is threatening to steamroll. You answer it or you lose. Everyone knows that. Pretending it was a mistake to do so is insanity.

[@Verlajn11]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 you sound like an edh player that gets manipulated by politics by others easily to do what they want you to do:)

[@bryanstevens7021]

Tomer's deck building style is very much my favorite style and I'm here for it.

[@TheManaVaultTMV]

I'm more into Crim

[@Spaced92]

Tomer always has interesting/funny decks!

[@CodenameFuyuki]

36:44 Seth you are now legally allowed to take back a spell in commander. They changed that so that tournaments could not get messed up by someone not reading a card.

[@ColossaldreadmawOP]

As long as no other information has been given. So if you play something and everyone’s let’s it resolve you might argue they’re not able to take it back as they got information

[@lonewolf975]

Do you have documentation for this? Ive never heard about them officially allowing that in any rules for the format.

[@Petronio39]

What an interesting concept. I've been tempted to do this as well. Before watching, I really like the idea of Phil's two drops. I think the commander will mostly be useless, but he's got a lot of potential there.

[@Guevon_Pajaro]

So happy for Phil, very well constructed deck. Cool challenge

[@JonReid01]

I feel like its been sooo long seeing Seth with the leg up and ability to threaten and politic so confidently. You love to see it

[@zavhyatta9795]

Tomer was playing Urza’s saga, not Tamiyo that first game.

[@hazlok187]

Why in the world is saga not legendary...

[@lorddracon8992]

@@hazlok187 the card type or specifically urza's saga? either way it's because saga are meant to be stories and stories can be told repeatedly, sometimes even overlapping with each other

[@hazlok187]

@@lorddracon8992 specifically urza's saga

[@jackthebroken2084]

17:43 French Richard be like

[@Ramschat]

Why did Richard blow up the board on his own turn with oblivion stone!? He could've just let Tomer attack Seth while having the mana open to boardwipe at any point if needed...

[@punkypinko2965]

This was very interesting. I thought the 4 drop deck would win. Of course it depends on luck, each deck etc. And this was only one game, so ... but still very interesting.

[@caseyfurey1348]

Tomer building Tamiyo voltron with flipping her as an Achilles heel is 10/10

[@x3nodox634]

Voltroning Tamiyo is so ambitious, given that the flip trigger is not optional XD

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

No reason to crack the O stone right away, play it, let tomer attack seth, keep your finger on the button.

[@elitebuster2012]

Really surprised Seth didn't go for Talion, since that's like the most perfect choice for this setup

[@JCFoxpox]

This was such a great game!! I love this! I would actually love to see them do this again but shuffle who plays what and see what they each come up with differently

[@Tawnos_]

@16:45 - Seth gained 1 from omnath but didn't lose 1 from cracking the Verdant Catacombs

[@Suppaichu]

2 Drop seems very strong honestly. Imagine phil rips out tainted pact thassa out of nowhere xD

[@adrunkchicken5112]

I've been playing Jenson/lurrus in cEDH and loving it

[@kieranwouter2361]

This was such a fun theme! Thank you for the game.

[@Jacob-gd1ei]

This was the first clash I’ve watched all the way through in a while. I was on the edge of my seat!

[@DarkPikachuYTV]

23:12 Seth forgetting about a Offer you can’t refuse

[@SupremeChalupaSnoke]

fun to see a 1-drops deck in action!

[@il-jumpermt7577]

Hermit Druid + Thassa was my first thought on 2 drops only combo

[@MetalPheonix]

Oh hey, my playgroup does this once a year. Though we aren't restricted to 1-4 mana cost. We have to pick 1 card in our command zone and all cards are either lands or the cmc of the card we select. (There's a real nasty Sidisi undead Vizier deck in our playgroup, who knew cmc 5 and lands was actually viable?)

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" we're stuck in math class... forever! Will Seth boldly claim "Math is for Blockers?" or will Tomer finally find out what 1+1 is? Tune-in to find out!

[@KadeoOConnell-tk3qj]

Tomer: My card draw is super limited Also Tomer: Let me discard down to handsize.

[@bryanstokke6566]

Phil's not going to help me. Phil is just here for value. Truest sentence ever spoken.

[@pierredupont1096]

This was great, very creative. Also I heard Phil mention a card name and it sounded like "I hate garlic" which was a shocker tbh.

[@pvolt7]

amazing game! so happy for the winner on this one, the twists and turns

[@flok.1780]

But Richard could have sacced the O-Stone at instant speed and let Tomer run into seth

[@nolifeconsolegamer]

5:56 Seth didn't take the 1 dog to crack the marsh flats

[@diegoramos7494]

Please someone have a chalice of the void. It would be so funny 😭🙏🏽. Crim would

[@diegoramos7494]

I realize it’s actually a 0 drop technically. Pay no mind

[@Kyronex0]

Richard could've played Trinisphere though

[@diegoramos7494]

@@Kyronex0 true true 🤔. 2 drop stax hate bears woulda been what I woulda done

[@JonReid01]

Good job, Phil!

[@vbkllr]

Tomer! Why did you let Richard talk you out of the counterspell?!? When will people learn never trust Richard?

[@provoidcloak]

Phil probably makes competitive 2 drop decks for tournaments anyways. man is a master at cooking up janky decks that work

[@OdinMagnus]

I remember having a Pursuit of Knowledge in play when someone pulled off an "Every draw 10,000 cards!" play and I just said, ok, I'll draw 10 instead. and I won =D lol Having enchantments that let you skip drawing for an effect is a sneaky way to get around stuff like this.

[@spencerkennel9427]

Jenson Carthalion is my signature commander; happy to see Phil make the Juniper Order proud😂

[@atmaximum]

I wonder what was the process for them to introduce the decks in the 2-3-1-4 order

[@evelynfitzner9306]

It was the turn order for game 1

[@nosyamthegreat8768]

Why do peaple keep saying game one when there was only one game?

[@ColossaldreadmawOP]

Kellan, Inquisitive Prodigy wouldve been nuts for 4 drops, casting the advebnture on 2 and then your 4 drops on three

[@robertruybal7172]

I think Tomer stuck with his 50 cards of ramp/lands philosophy in his 1-drop deck

[@mrsilverbutton7786]

This was such an awesome game!

[@patriciaboggs8882]

I really like these deck building challenges. I would like to see a similar week where everyone picks 2 mana costs to see what people would pair up. Would you pair 1 drops with 8 for late game finishers? 3 with 7? 2 with 4? Could be some interesting combinations. You could either pick like settlers where the person to pick their 1st choice last gets to pick their 2nd first or everyone can pick whatever cmc they want and people duplicating is fine. I have no idea what the optimal choice would be.

[@hakarthemage]

I'd totally play Talion in that format

[@Xerdoz]

Next time only play odd or even cost cards. You could also make a deck with one 1 cost card, two 2 cost cards, three 3 cost cards etc... If you wanna do more of these where you have mana limitations.

[@jackl8025]

In order to get 55 playable cards in the one 1drop, two 2 drops etc deck, they would have to play eight 8s, nine 9s and ten 10s. Seems bad.

[@annoyingoranger100]

@@jackl8025hmm. how about 10 1 drops, 9 2 drops, so on?

[@torinnbalasar6774]

There's only 13 10 cmc ( luckily only 3 of them require colored mana (G)), 18 9 cmc, and 32 8 cmc cards available. Not a whole lot of variety for 4 players, plus about all you can do with that top-end is eldrazi and artifacts. I really like the idea in principle, but that lack of variety really kills a lot of angles it can be approached.

[@Xerdoz]

@@torinnbalasar6774 Well maybe then flip it and have one 12 drop, two 11 drops, three 10 drops etc. or something.

[@mvg6553]

You inspired me to build a 0-1 drop deck as a fun self imposed resteiction! I think i will try a grist deck myself

[@Zion27Kaho]

29:46 “onch each churn”

[@Mecal00]

I'm intrigued to watch this as I built a mono white deck that is only 1-2mana spells. It's been very fun to play

[@Friendly_Rivals]

The Faerie Artisan stack was willlld

[@ODIRGO]

Phil has the opportunity to play differently with his pentacolored commander... He keeps playing simic.

[@jmv333]

Love the themes!!!!

[@tajsdiscord5952]

damn what a cool win by phil

[@mitchellbruderlin8621]

18 seconds that is a new record xD

[@danikahicks9896]

richard, u gotta embrqce the mono-blue fogs: oblivion stone and perilious vault. just hold the mana open for their activation and you could have pulled the trigger whennthey turned on you, maximizing the value of the karnstructs going into anyoje else.~♡

[@alaraplatt8104]

8:16 phil is confused! he hurt himself in his confusion!

[@Athanasia8818]

I would love a commander damage counter. Very few channels do it and here's my pitch as to why: 1. If you don't use it people will assume it won't matter and not focus on it as a realistic threat (Haldan-Pako or Yoshimaru) 2. If it ever matters then the viewer won't see it coming without a counter.

[@MrCrimAngel]

THAT WAS SO GOOD

[@the_r4ts]

In the four-drop seat, I would have built Talion, the Kindly Lord, chosen one, and profited from the one-drop seat

[@stalelygrehoff2881]

Seth forgot to pay life for his fetchlands. Basically every time

[@mccoykleppe5298]

So hyped for this one

[@leegreening6727]

I have to know what webcams you guys are using, I’m looking for a good quality one for playing my friends from home

[@ticklemeozmo]

That Lord of the Rings card Seth showed, Oregon, sounds fun.

[@ther3aper561]

Nice to see Modern all star Flumph

[@kameronkite5042]

Ah, the pain. Seth missing that other onnath trigger off of the omenpath.

[@isaactodd1256]

High Key Phil plays the same deck every week. it's kinda annoying. The group should really get him to change it up.

[@darkxzero13]

9:41 "simic ways to equip a colossus hammer" that's just simic spamming ramp cards 😅

[@MichiVasquez_15]

21:09 Tomer taking 2 damage from shocking but going from 36 to 37? Shock lands now give you 1 life it seems😂

[@SnakePoker]

with the bowmasters, Seth couldn't draw a card, that is why he lost. Therefore, bowmasters doesn't trigger to continue to hit Richard. although, Phil could've made Richard draw 10 first before dealing the final draw ping to Seth. It was ordered incorrectly, and the rumor gatherer shouldn't have died because of this too, which he could've blocked the orc token with it. Phil would've needed to choose to kill the gatherer and let seth untap then die to draw, OR, kill the gatherer.

[@zylowolfzan3345]

I'll be honest, I was expecting Phil to drop a Thoracle at the end there. It's a 2 drop!

[@Rockerlife16]

Bowmaster and flmph combo should have ended when an opponent went to draw and couldn't.

[@AspieGG]

Can we just suggest ideas for CC in the comments? If so, I would like to suggest playing with four color decks, with a twist - Each deck must be centered around something that the color they omitted does best. For example, a counterspell deck without blue.

[@alfascorpi]

Where do you get those mana-symbol cards to keep track of additional floating mana?

[@the2king42]

Not playing Talion, the Kindly Lord is such a mised opportunity.

[@TheKibbalicious]

It is crazy how every card played is an existential threat to Richard. Recently been watching the channel and the most consistent thing is how much Richard whines

[@marshallbrenha7869]

Pretty sure phil cant change targets after seth dies, since he doesnt draw a card to jeep the combo going

[@johnathanward867]

Well he could just retarget the bow master trigger to a different target.

[@nathangreen5229]

51:29 i don’t understand how the flumph and orcish bowmaster combo works, wouldn’t flumph die?

[@JonReid01]

He gives it indestructible with Heroic intervention. Not quite 2 card combo

[@JonReid01]

52:33

[@dummigamer6378]

Just an idea but play a clash where prismatic piper can partner with any commander instead of just a partner could make some fun janky decks for sure

[@Hurtishappy]

Cool idea!

[@ringoderbar1522]

I got some questions: How did Caretakers Talent get into the graveyard? Shouldn't it have been bounced? Kambal's second trigger does trigger for every token entering the battlefield, right?

[@HandsomeMike-b3f]

31:30 Tomer floats 2 mana between phases

[@Icedragonzclawz]

*Spoiler* Shouldn't Phil's combo have ended when Seth attempted to draw into an empty library? Certainly failing to draw from an empty library and dying doesn't trigger the bowmasters to restart the combo?

[@bradstanky]

Seth! Where do you get the mana tracker token

[@scaredycat3146]

Were x-spells allowed in this weeks restriction?

[@savinobalducci6148]

the wrath meta that Richard and Seth are responsible for is a little annoying I think; most of the times goldfish games don't seem like linear, but still back and forth battles, but 3 or 4 distinct games separated from board wipes and the one who wins is simply the player lucky enough to pop off after the last board wipe

[@haofabs]

Hi, where can I find those sweet mana counting cards?

[@nailahprincessofhokuto2024]

Feel like if Crimm played this week he'd have done Tallion just to capitalize on the theme

[@Snowjiggles]

I think I would've played a 3 drop commander that had red and green so I could have Simian Spirit Guide and Elvish Spirit Guide in my deck Also, I'm a believer that Eye of Vecna is a sleeper card. Definitely would've included that in my 2 drop deck if I played it

[@Spotifist]

I’m putting my money on 2 drops. Hope y’all have fun in vegas, wish I could be there!

[@patrickchickey6428]

Pretty sure white flare wouldve saved seth, since it gives him hexproof and flumph needs to target him to make him draw a card. Also, the combo should end when Seth dies, since he doesnt actually draw a card to trigger bowmasters and keep it going

[@rupert7565]

Is Tomer budgeting his mana values now? He has gone to far.