Since a few people asked, we decided to not play Power 9 cards this episode because they make the decks look absurdly expensive.
@JustARandomMexican2 ай бұрын
Good call, this is probably a better representation of what Commander night down at the LGS would look like without a ban list anyway.
@ben_clifford2 ай бұрын
@@MTGGoldfishCommander I was wondering about that
@TheSpiritombsableye6 күн бұрын
@@JustARandomMexican, your local game shop.
@andresarancio66962 ай бұрын
Draws 35 cards. Doesn't find an answer. Does not have a combo win in the deck. Refuses to elaborate. Wins anyway. Griselbrand pilled
@jackalvonstone2502 ай бұрын
SETH PAID THE ONE! HE DID IT! HE FINALLY PAID THE ONE!
@MTGGoldfishCommander2 ай бұрын
Don't get used to it ;)
@CovalentNetworkSolid2 ай бұрын
He paid the one and he won... food for thought!
@Sugondeeznuts-q4c2 ай бұрын
@@MTGGoldfishCommander gonna start paying the two? I never do lol.
@paniago822 ай бұрын
that is probably not seth but his evil twin
@chasehatchett47562 ай бұрын
definitely an evil clone of Seth
@nickbenstead72852 ай бұрын
"Oh, Tomer is just playing a cool Gates deck" *sees him fan out his banned cards at the end* "Oh."
@guisseppimelon82242 ай бұрын
24:55 Phil: Makes 10 mana Tomer: “Im the problem” *sarcastically* Also Tomer: 41 treasures on board
@Halinn2 ай бұрын
The trick is that they're all the problem
@josephpayton75222 ай бұрын
Yeah. Seth was at two but had a ifeswap card in hand. They definitely were all the problem. @@Halinn
@gadischneider9231Ай бұрын
This is why I fast forward every time he speaks
@Kryptnyt2 ай бұрын
Richard uttering the words "Griselbrand is kinda broken" like he's just now realizing this in 2024
@LadyMorrigan2 ай бұрын
Evil seth be like: "Of course I always pay the 1. I also choose removing planeswalkers over casting Rhystic Study."
@kurowasanabe2 ай бұрын
The Cascade Curse still exists!
@collinthomson79422 ай бұрын
It’s kinda insane his terrible luck 😢
@RyanEglitis2 ай бұрын
Out here making my boy Apexy D. look like a chump!
@tylersings18492 ай бұрын
This might be the worst one possible in this situation tbh
@TheSpunYarn2 ай бұрын
Phil crop rotating for Urzas Cave made me scream out loud
@collinbeal2 ай бұрын
Absolute meme play. Next, he'll Demonic Tutor for Vampiric Tutor.
@BingbongRecto2 ай бұрын
It lets him choose the timing of the talon gates in his deck
@monhunfox14012 ай бұрын
@@BingbongRecto Crop Rotation is an instant, so the timing is the same.
@BingbongRecto2 ай бұрын
@@monhunfox1401 crop rotation came off a cascade
@fingerling12312 ай бұрын
That was a really cool line from the winner in the end. Fun game to watch
@jniteshade53522 ай бұрын
Oh no Phil broke his playing Green fast.
@totakekeslider38352 ай бұрын
With the most green of green decks possible. Love to see it.
@Aarenby2 ай бұрын
No ban list means no colour bans I guess
@Qdrew782 ай бұрын
The mythical Richard’s Garage making an appearance this episode!!! Add to the Ban list wizard, way OP!
@metatron85782 ай бұрын
Also it's confirmed that Richard isn't a Muppet. I'm still not convinced that Tomer and Seth aren't Muppets.
@Myrsmith2 ай бұрын
@@metatron8578 Tomer was in Cardmarket video along with Phil
@Sinistra3592 ай бұрын
Lol that apex devastator slow-roll 😂
@ryangrant91992 ай бұрын
phil is the worst cascade player smh
@ben_clifford2 ай бұрын
@@Sinistra359 I love that the team all razzed him about it, and then he did indeed have a pretty bad set of flips
@d00pi12 ай бұрын
The ending of this game is well worth the watch, couldn’t have guessed it would go that way.
@the_snakelicious2 ай бұрын
I appreciate the conversation after the end of the game.
@pokedadsam90412 ай бұрын
28:47 Phil should draw off sevala for the apex devastator too. She resolves before the apex enters.
@Sinistra3592 ай бұрын
I feel like Phil resolved Apex wrong. Isnt he supposed to cascade 4 times before he can resolve any of the cascade spells? I think he resolved crop rotation in the middle of him cascading? Lol
@collinthomson79422 ай бұрын
@@Sinistra359nope, I just checked and each spell you cascade into resolves before you move onto the next cascade trigger
@Sinistra3592 ай бұрын
@collinthomson7942 oops then I've been playing it wrong this whole time 😅
@pokedadsam90412 ай бұрын
@@Sinistra359 cascade resolves each instance separately.
@discoviolenza19842 ай бұрын
I would rather play against the majority of banned list than someone that feeds a Rhystic Study
@Nick-ff4is2 ай бұрын
It's the same reason Trade Secrets is banned. One player casts Rhystic. Two people play a spell and pay 1. Then some chud plays 5 cards that don't even do much (but they just can't have them burn in the chud's hand) and the Rhystic player draws five and takes over the game.
@andrewstandish76352 ай бұрын
Until some one starts slamming ante spells lol 😊
@electric_dream_machine2 ай бұрын
I don't pay, I think the card should be banned, if you don't agree lose the game with me.
@ivonneiglesias2596Ай бұрын
@@electric_dream_machinefor people like you, Commander goes bankrupt
@Zanzibawrr2 ай бұрын
thoughts on the video: rofellos is gigabusted, but karakas is even more gigabusted. balance was surprisingly ok, felt like a way to stabilize the board a bit. smothering tithe only worked because nobody got smothered by it. and lastly, just thinking about sylvan primordial + springheart nantuko gives me shivers.
@ben_clifford2 ай бұрын
@@Zanzibawrr agree on all counts
@johncreek31452 ай бұрын
Imagine he had just cast a balance into t pro instead of farewell into balance. Game would have been over right there and then, now some people will think balance is a fine card 😂
@Zanzibawrr2 ай бұрын
@@johncreek3145 well yeah, but the same can be said about oracle consultation
@adamkarolak35442 ай бұрын
About primordial, I don't think it should be banned. It's 8cmc card that basically let you win game if you combo with another card as an enabler. You know what else let you win games? Thoracle, which is 2cmc. Free the primordial
@kurowasanabe2 ай бұрын
Rooting for my man Greezy B.
@lelandgill36312 ай бұрын
BIG POPPA!
@IllidanboscarinoАй бұрын
Seth the true champion, no doublesides deals, tries to fix the table, no combos and win games
@shilohartisan2 ай бұрын
27:58 Selvala resolves before Apex Devastator, so you should draw when Devastator enters.
@MrMartinSchou2 ай бұрын
I love Balance. Probably because of a play I saw back in the late 90's. Player one manages to put something like a Juzam Djinn and Erhnam Djinn in play on turn one (an 8 mana play in total) using something like a Black Lotus, a Mox, Dark Ritual and probably something else. Can't remember exactly - it's been almost three decades. Basically his nut draw and presenting nine damage per turn. Opponent doesn't look frazzled at all. On his turn he plays land, Mox Pearl and then calmly plays Balance. And the reaction from player one was beautiful. He didn't get upset. He didn't get angry. He didn't say anything negative. He started laughing like crazy, which really brought attention to the whole situation.
@jackl80252 ай бұрын
No need to be angry when the opponent discards their entire hand to destroy my one creature
@MrMartinSchou2 ай бұрын
@@jackl8025 It was two, but yeah.
@jackl80252 ай бұрын
@@MrMartinSchouthe rare balanced Balance 😂 if you play vintage cube, Balance still has a nice little life there, working as a board wipe in Planeswalker heavy control, or as Mind Twist if you can Mox out your balance early.
@alexanderwaller73542 ай бұрын
You just described the average low-powered game of Yu Gi Oh.
@MrMartinSchou2 ай бұрын
@@alexanderwaller7354 Wait - you're telling me that the cards that were powerful 25+ years ago are no longer powerful?! Why didn't anyone tell me?! I'm still running Savannah Lions, because it's the most powerful 1-drop creature in Magic! It's a 2/1!
@theornerytrilobite2 ай бұрын
This was a fun one to watch. I really enjoyed the short post-game discussion coming back. Personally I hope the ban list stays mostly the same, maybe with more adds actually. Not very hopeful for that though, sadly.
@ivonneiglesias2596Ай бұрын
Nah, coalition victory, braids and a lot of cards must be unban
@ben_clifford2 ай бұрын
5:25 Richard: "I'm gonna save us." Me: In mono-white on T2? *raises eye in suspicion* Richard: How about Karakus Me: Oh daaaaaang. Yep, he delivered.
@Halinn2 ай бұрын
Too bad that he forgot to use it on Griselbrand to kill Seth at the 30 minute mark
@ben_clifford2 ай бұрын
@Halinn OH whoops
@Kryptnyt2 ай бұрын
Balance was also an option!
@mateoschwartz75272 ай бұрын
I thought I had slipped into an alternate universe because I swore I had seen almost exactly these banned commanders played before, but I couldnt find a commander clash video with them. I was going crazy until I remembered it was Commander Vs who played refellos, ionia, and grizelbrand, except corey played Erayo. Thank god it wasn't an alternate universe and instead we get a second crazy video with these broken cards.
@daftsquare2 ай бұрын
Seth with the most unimpressive Griselbrand activations of all time.
@metatron85782 ай бұрын
Well, it won him the game, like it does every time, not sure what else you expect from it.
@Varler_2 ай бұрын
That was a really clean win from Seth! Great way to use cards I almost never see played.
@xTheIceKinGx2 ай бұрын
These were such fun, broken games to watch. You guys look like you had a blast! Really enjoyed this. :)
@tmain13202 ай бұрын
They gonna say that the most broken stuff that happened that game was the smothering tithe, but we cant pretend that rothollos, griselband, golos and iona all wernt massive in how this game turned out. Richard was able to king make and not really advance the game. Phil got insane early mid and late game value from his commander. Tomer was able to ramp after a balance (another rightfully banned super strong performing card) and cast three free spells, and Seth was able to draw soooo many cards and even though he was left alive, he was left alive because his life was low BECAUSE HE DREW SOO MANY CARDS. Super fun to watch and love unbanned games, but dont pretend that all 4 of these cards are fine lol.
@thatepicwizardguy2 ай бұрын
griselbrand largely just fueled the lifeswap stuff but otherwise sort of did nothing due to balance. iona did NOTHING lol literally nothing. clearly golos and rofellos are completely broken.
@blobface1032 ай бұрын
@thatepicwizardguy 100% agree with this. Seth was the only way Richard could have a chance against Phil, so he could only realistically chose green for Iona, and even in Iona HAD come down, the biggest game winners on the board/deck was the eldrazi. Sure these 4 commanders are strong, but black has a million ways of doing what Griselbrand did, and White's worst or most powerful cards are way faster and more game-winning than Iona
@alexanderwaller73542 ай бұрын
@@thatepicwizardguy Yeah bit Seth was deliberately playing derpy demon tribal and not Tendrils. A tuned Griselbrand wins the turn it enters.
@mrorris882 ай бұрын
Griselbrand won from 2 life. I don't think that can be overlooked Also, I think Golos didn't do much. It spun once, ramped a few times, but was nothing compared to coffers, all of Phil's deck, and smoothering tithe. The most amount it did is get vesuva
@Nathanael_Forlorn2 ай бұрын
This was a real cool match! Pretty much everyone had their moment in the spotlight.
@tylerfoster28142 ай бұрын
Fantastic game, as always! I would love to see more variants now that you're doing paper commander, such as players bringing Planechase decks for their commander decks, or playing Archenemy (or Supervillain Rumble).
@VivBrodock2 ай бұрын
so out of curiosity I decided to look up just how many gates could be run across the various colors. Mono-Black can run exactly 10 gates before land copying effects.... so now this idea will consume my life. thanks Tomer for playing a gates deck.
@DimondGamer-sv3yb2 ай бұрын
What is your tenth gate? Because I only counted nine for mono-black.
@PandaKnight-FightingDwagon2 ай бұрын
This went exactly how I expected it to go for someone playing Iona is their commander
@nogen-uu5nu16 күн бұрын
This game has been my favorite yet. high level but still understandeble with good commentary
@Welverin2 ай бұрын
0:25 As if you don't feel that way everyday, Phil.
@Welverin2 ай бұрын
Damn it, Richard! I wanted to see Seth roll for Mana Crypt!
@whoopsmymeds2 ай бұрын
WOOOOW that ending. And this isn't even a clickbait reply lol
@RyanEglitis2 ай бұрын
Surprised how few moxes we saw
@burnsboy1012 ай бұрын
Not really, there’s 3 mono coloured decks
@RyanEglitis2 ай бұрын
@@burnsboy101 No black lotus or time walks or ancestrals either though...
@burnsboy1012 ай бұрын
@@RyanEglitis only one person was playing blue? The only reasonable point you have mentioned is black lotus
@alexanderwaller73542 ай бұрын
Screw power 9, I wanted to see the much more powerful Contract from Below!
@RyanEglitis2 ай бұрын
@@alexanderwaller7354 They played that in a game a few weeks back when they had ante.
@Seergun2 ай бұрын
Richard forgot about the card that got unbanned with Iona, Painter's Servant, the card I'm convinced they wanted instead of Iona considering it's a hard lock without onboard affects.
@alexanderwaller73542 ай бұрын
Painter's Servant did used to be banned instead of Iona. I'm happier with Iona gone and Momir Vig hackball still possible.
@warhead50002 ай бұрын
Great game guys. Games like these are a fine example that a good amount of the banned cards are not quite so over the top and would offer a further diversity of gameplay to the commander format.
@alexduea2 ай бұрын
This was very interesting to see in light of the circumstances. Considering all the unknowns about the future of a Commander ban-list and what this Tier system might bring, it was nice to see you put it to the test. Personally, I feel like some of the banned cards used weren't much worse than what I'm used to seeing on a weekly basis in my pod. The fact that this only seemed *slightly* exaggerated in comparison is a bit scary Thank you for the great banter and wonderfully warm content!
@OctopiWalgreens2 ай бұрын
this looked rlly fun honestly
@ben_clifford2 ай бұрын
The assignment: Play anything you want Three of the players: Ima just play my favorite color, but broken 😂
@projektnine2 ай бұрын
This is amazing. I am currently building Rofellos, Braids, Leovold, and Nadu because they are banned
@TimPlay-eq6ng2 ай бұрын
Braids just does not belong in this list. Unban Braids!
@alexanderwaller73542 ай бұрын
@@TimPlay-eq6ng Bring back "banned as commander" and Braids and Rofellos are fine. Braids is still more oppressive than Tergrid if you ramp into her t1.
@kaeltas62 ай бұрын
If one day Phil Cascade's into something just below the cascade card cost then the world will end :x
@ElDocBruh2 ай бұрын
Hot damn that Springheart onto the Primordial that was 1 turn away from happening would have been brütal.
@adamkarolak35442 ай бұрын
I'm not sure about brutal part, that's just a wincon. You get 20+ copies of primordial to overrun your opponents next turn, and remove their ability to answer by taking away their lands. How is that worse than any infinite combo? It still require 8-drop + 2 drop + enough mana to wipe other players resources, can be stopped with instant speed removals and counters.
@WytchfynderGeneral2 ай бұрын
Love that Seth still plays the orange swamps 😂
@DropOfHoneyMTG2 ай бұрын
I think Phil may need a course on how to build a deck with cascade at this point 😅
@kaptainkokujin4986Ай бұрын
30:35 Tomer read Richard like a kid's age 4 - 5 reading comprehension book earlier for that boardwipe
@darushkii2 ай бұрын
Love it! Best edh gamepay series on youtube
@larry-wallacelane4932 ай бұрын
I really wish we could see some more gameplay with these same decks.
@alexanderwaller73542 ай бұрын
Ah yes, the famed 2-card-hand Library of Alexandria.
@BlackDragonStudios12 ай бұрын
You guys need to do this more often this is awesome!
@RisottoNero-z1w2 ай бұрын
Crim really makes the games more interactive.
@mandielyn04162 ай бұрын
Is Tomer the conductor for “Clash on”? This years Broadway musical blockbuster.
@ijijijijijijijijijii2 ай бұрын
next weird rule set should be each person has a deck that they would believe would be from the new bracket system. So 1 person has a bracket 1 deck, 1 person has a bracket 2 and so on. See if people agree on each person's interpretation of which cards go in which bracket.
@PheonixRise6662 ай бұрын
We don't even know what the implementation of the theorised bracket system would be. We know basically nothing any speculation is just that speculation.
@xdelbarrio2 ай бұрын
it sounds fun but I think they should wait for the official bracket release, their pod discussing where would some cards go was fun but showed a lot of discrepancies in how they would rank the cards lol
@Alkhemia82 ай бұрын
surprised no one running any of the power 9 was hoping to see some Mox or a Black Lotus
@wchenful2 ай бұрын
I would've built Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 😁
@Nick-ff4is2 ай бұрын
Two Karakases...
@karlvestin79752 ай бұрын
@@Nick-ff4isKaraki?
@jackl80252 ай бұрын
@@Nick-ff4isEmrakul cast trigger is pretty good against Karakas if you can cast it off Thran Dynamos & such
@christopherrue17732 ай бұрын
@@Nick-ff4is Be a shame if we took an extra turn....
@Nick-ff4is2 ай бұрын
Yeah but not after a Farewell wipes all the ramp off the table.
@ivan-ky9mk2 ай бұрын
Phil back on green! Finaly ramp is back on the table after that vorinclex deck!
@chucklingchocolate122 ай бұрын
I learned that all these banned cards are fun ways to play the game, very splashy and cool
@terraqueo892 ай бұрын
So Richard has treasures in his garage!
@helfiswelf2 ай бұрын
Great game Seth what a swing
@ashtonwestfall47772 ай бұрын
27:02 where do you all get your floating mana trackers
@BrandonBenderstayfresh2 ай бұрын
29:09 Phil's floating Mana token! Where can I get one of those?
@bdac56532 ай бұрын
I like to think Crim would have played Erayo.
@SupremeDirt2 ай бұрын
i know it's because of the thumbnail/algorithm that you played them as commander, but i'd definitely have preferred to see decks built properly around iona/griselbrand taking advantage of why the cards are actually banned.
@alexanderwaller73542 ай бұрын
Agreed, demon tribal is fun and all, but its hardly TES. They even ask, "are we dead to Tendrils?" when Seth casts his commander.
@WTBliiip2 ай бұрын
Richard: "I haven't actually read boompile"
@AlexCruz-fe3gm2 ай бұрын
I didn't know that Ancient Cellerspawn's 2nd affect triggered from paying life instead of the mana cost, I assumed it wouldn't read you paying a "reduced" cost since no mana was inputted for it's cost to begin with.
@MTGGoldfishCommander2 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's a pretty unique card, but as long as you paid less mana than the mana value it should trigger regardless of how you cast the spell.
@froggystrap12322 ай бұрын
Cleanest win ever!!!
@DerpHerper9 күн бұрын
I want a 3 mana version of Balance just for lands. Please Wizards. That play was so beautiful.
@calebreazin63852 ай бұрын
I can’t wait for the 20 second countdown for the clash on
@Karl_SminkАй бұрын
Tomer blocking with Golos while he had 20+ treasures on the board just seems completely incorrect when the attack wasn't lethal (because he had other blockers). Granted, he couldn't guarantee they were going to survive Ricahrd's turn (and they didn't), but not having to replay Golos on your turn with that much mana means an extra spin.
@thomasgamperfeitoza73192 ай бұрын
Tomer: Who has a coin in 2024? Phil in germany looking at his coin purse: 😅
@kkhello8232 ай бұрын
This was awesome I love hi power. This is what I see bracket 4 as. All the best commanders, all the best staples, and fast mana, but using it for crazy things/strong strategies. Not super efficient win cons. This is the difference between hi power and cEDH. Fantastic game.
@kkhello8232 ай бұрын
Definitely my personal favorite way to play commander.
@bartoszkonieczny32382 ай бұрын
What was that black thing on Seth's desk at 6:20??
@doriandog43352 ай бұрын
20:27 how did Seth get the initiative?
@SkylersWife2 ай бұрын
Unholy Anus, good card. Great content guys. Great plays
@mjkuehl2 ай бұрын
How did Tomer not put all the mox and paradox engine in his deck?
@Slim33982 ай бұрын
Finally. An IRL no ban list game
@edendman2 ай бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Phil should've drawn off of Apex Devastator because Selvala would've been on the battlefield first.
@joelhatterini63922 ай бұрын
Pay attention folks, this is what the format will look like in six months.
@WhizzerdSupreme2 ай бұрын
THIS is Magic as Richard Garfield intended...except Iona, of course.
@TheMagicRat9332 ай бұрын
Is Deserted Temple underrated? Between all the lands tapping for double digit mana this episode, Deserted Temple would have put in serious work.
@alfascorpi2 ай бұрын
My legal Goreclaw deck would have a similar ridiculously strong boardstate as Phil had, speed is extreme in green
@UnknowableSirАй бұрын
I actually played this deck that Tomer was running (minus all the other banned cards) and then they banned golos, and none of my gates had a home till baldurs gate 😢
@ben_clifford2 ай бұрын
Phil's reveal at the end was dirty indeed
@ArtanesCS-Rockon2 ай бұрын
Was that a real Library? Very neat.
@BrunoAlbuquerqueBRQ2 ай бұрын
This is the biggest proof that for casual, friendly games, you don't need a banlist. Nice match!
@Rococorico2 ай бұрын
What a wild ride. Although Griselbrand, just like Iona, is banned as a busted Reanimate target, he didn't disappoint at the helm. Hitting the field once was enough. How about another round but with Braids, Erayo, Leovold and another spin with Golos Lutri? Funny that there were multiple LATE Crypts and Lotus and not a single Sol Ring this game.
@alexanderwaller73542 ай бұрын
That's not true, Griselbrand was banned as a commander waaaaay before it popped up in Legacy Reanimator (I think it lasted about 2 weeks?). It was like K'rrik without the training wheels. Consistent t2 wins, t1 possible with Gemstone Caverns.
@Rococorico2 ай бұрын
@@alexanderwaller7354 Double pedigree for Grizzybee, nice!
@briankuczynski68842 ай бұрын
Shocked that no one tried a proxy Academy to do the artifact things
@MrCrimAngel2 ай бұрын
This just convinced me that nothing should be banned. Just bracket those cards higher
@nathanpalmiter32602 ай бұрын
That was a really cool win.
@emarean13522 ай бұрын
This no ban list needed Tolarian Academy
@nathanstruble85872 ай бұрын
Ok but Seth’s deck was pretty sick. Aside from the fact that I can’t play most of those cards, it did so much mono black shenanigans I can’t not love it
@ajaxender122 ай бұрын
Coalition and Iona are banned for the same reason - *not* because they're overpowered if anyone specifically builds their game-plan around them, but because they'd be played as an addition in decks where they're not part of the plan in any way but will, every now and then, entirely warp (or finish) the game out of nowhere. If they were to be unbanned via this 'bracket' concept, you'd have to establish a level where these kinds of things are to be expected, but that somehow *isn't* going to immediately just reduce to cEDH viability (else it's just cEDH and if then none of this stuff gets played anywhere still, what's the difference?). It might work out, it might not.
@Alico_Reborn2 ай бұрын
Repay in Kind is one of my favorite black spells. Sure, get me down to 2 life. This will certainly not be an issue for you later!
@archangeljmj6008Ай бұрын
Phil, you get picked on man. I'm always rooting for Phil to win
@autoenthused2 ай бұрын
24:13 Timer:I thought it was a god card! Richard: It’s it. That’s cause you didn’t choose correctly, you see. Get good. That’s a skill based card!”
@emanueltalavera41752 ай бұрын
Don’t tell Phil I have a crush on him ❤ I love his voice
@zillstilltrill34462 ай бұрын
46:23 shouldn't the bolas citadel force Seth to pay 8 life on the Unholy Annex? Cause the cmc on split cards are counted together?Doesnt' matter in the end but just for ruling confusions.
@guilhermeribeiromichelino38522 ай бұрын
Is Tomer speaking differently than before or was it the audio?