No Ban List | Commander Clash S17 E9

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Since a few people asked, we decided to not play Power 9 cards this episode because they make the decks look absurdly expensive.

[@JustARandomMexican]

Good call, this is probably a better representation of what Commander night down at the LGS would look like without a ban list anyway.

[@ben_clifford]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander I was wondering about that

[@TheSpiritombsableye]

​@@JustARandomMexican, your local game shop.

[@andresarancio6696]

Draws 35 cards. Doesn't find an answer. Does not have a combo win in the deck. Refuses to elaborate. Wins anyway. Griselbrand pilled

[@jackalvonstone250]

SETH PAID THE ONE! HE DID IT! HE FINALLY PAID THE ONE!

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Don't get used to it ;)

[@CovalentNetworkSolid]

He paid the one and he won... food for thought!

[@Sugondeeznuts-q4c]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander gonna start paying the two? I never do lol.

[@paniago82]

that is probably not seth but his evil twin

[@chasehatchett4756]

definitely an evil clone of Seth

[@guisseppimelon8224]

24:55 Phil: Makes 10 mana Tomer: “Im the problem” *sarcastically* Also Tomer: 41 treasures on board

[@Halinn]

The trick is that they're all the problem

[@josephpayton7522]

Yeah. Seth was at two but had a ifeswap card in hand. They definitely were all the problem. ​@@Halinn

[@gadischneider9231]

This is why I fast forward every time he speaks

[@nickbenstead7285]

"Oh, Tomer is just playing a cool Gates deck" *sees him fan out his banned cards at the end* "Oh."

[@LadyMorrigan]

Evil seth be like: "Of course I always pay the 1. I also choose removing planeswalkers over casting Rhystic Study."

[@kurowasanabe]

The Cascade Curse still exists!

[@collinthomson7942]

It’s kinda insane his terrible luck 😢

[@RyanEglitis]

Out here making my boy Apexy D. look like a chump!

[@tylersings1849]

This might be the worst one possible in this situation tbh

[@Kryptnyt]

Richard uttering the words "Griselbrand is kinda broken" like he's just now realizing this in 2024

[@fingerling1231]

That was a really cool line from the winner in the end. Fun game to watch

[@TheSpunYarn]

Phil crop rotating for Urzas Cave made me scream out loud

[@collinbeal]

Absolute meme play. Next, he'll Demonic Tutor for Vampiric Tutor.

[@BingbongRecto]

It lets him choose the timing of the talon gates in his deck

[@monhunfox1401]

@@BingbongRecto Crop Rotation is an instant, so the timing is the same.

[@BingbongRecto]

@@monhunfox1401 crop rotation came off a cascade

[@Qdrew78]

The mythical Richard’s Garage making an appearance this episode!!! Add to the Ban list wizard, way OP!

[@metatron8578]

Also it's confirmed that Richard isn't a Muppet. I'm still not convinced that Tomer and Seth aren't Muppets.

[@Myrsmith]

​@@metatron8578 Tomer was in Cardmarket video along with Phil

[@Sinistra359]

Lol that apex devastator slow-roll 😂

[@ryangrant9199]

phil is the worst cascade player smh

[@ben_clifford]

@@Sinistra359 I love that the team all razzed him about it, and then he did indeed have a pretty bad set of flips

[@jniteshade5352]

Oh no Phil broke his playing Green fast.

[@totakekeslider3835]

With the most green of green decks possible. Love to see it.

[@Aarenby]

No ban list means no colour bans I guess

[@d00pi1]

The ending of this game is well worth the watch, couldn’t have guessed it would go that way.

[@the_snakelicious]

I appreciate the conversation after the end of the game.

[@Zanzibawrr]

thoughts on the video: rofellos is gigabusted, but karakas is even more gigabusted. balance was surprisingly ok, felt like a way to stabilize the board a bit. smothering tithe only worked because nobody got smothered by it. and lastly, just thinking about sylvan primordial + springheart nantuko gives me shivers.

[@ben_clifford]

@@Zanzibawrr agree on all counts

[@johncreek3145]

Imagine he had just cast a balance into t pro instead of farewell into balance. Game would have been over right there and then, now some people will think balance is a fine card 😂

[@Zanzibawrr]

@@johncreek3145 well yeah, but the same can be said about oracle consultation

[@adamkarolak3544]

About primordial, I don't think it should be banned. It's 8cmc card that basically let you win game if you combo with another card as an enabler. You know what else let you win games? Thoracle, which is 2cmc. Free the primordial

[@pokedadsam9041]

28:47 Phil should draw off sevala for the apex devastator too. She resolves before the apex enters.

[@Sinistra359]

I feel like Phil resolved Apex wrong. Isnt he supposed to cascade 4 times before he can resolve any of the cascade spells? I think he resolved crop rotation in the middle of him cascading? Lol

[@collinthomson7942]

@@Sinistra359nope, I just checked and each spell you cascade into resolves before you move onto the next cascade trigger

[@Sinistra359]

@collinthomson7942 oops then I've been playing it wrong this whole time 😅

[@pokedadsam9041]

@@Sinistra359 cascade resolves each instance separately.

[@discoviolenza1984]

I would rather play against the majority of banned list than someone that feeds a Rhystic Study

[@Nick-ff4is]

It's the same reason Trade Secrets is banned. One player casts Rhystic. Two people play a spell and pay 1. Then some chud plays 5 cards that don't even do much (but they just can't have them burn in the chud's hand) and the Rhystic player draws five and takes over the game.

[@andrewstandish7635]

Until some one starts slamming ante spells lol 😊

[@electric_dream_machine]

I don't pay, I think the card should be banned, if you don't agree lose the game with me.

[@ivonneiglesias2596]

​@@electric_dream_machinefor people like you, Commander goes bankrupt

[@kurowasanabe]

Rooting for my man Greezy B.

[@lelandgill3631]

BIG POPPA!

[@ben_clifford]

5:25 Richard: "I'm gonna save us." Me: In mono-white on T2? *raises eye in suspicion* Richard: How about Karakus Me: Oh daaaaaang. Yep, he delivered.

[@Halinn]

Too bad that he forgot to use it on Griselbrand to kill Seth at the 30 minute mark

[@ben_clifford]

@Halinn OH whoops

[@Kryptnyt]

Balance was also an option!

[@Illidanboscarino]

Seth the true champion, no doublesides deals, tries to fix the table, no combos and win games

[@MrMartinSchou]

I love Balance. Probably because of a play I saw back in the late 90's. Player one manages to put something like a Juzam Djinn and Erhnam Djinn in play on turn one (an 8 mana play in total) using something like a Black Lotus, a Mox, Dark Ritual and probably something else. Can't remember exactly - it's been almost three decades. Basically his nut draw and presenting nine damage per turn. Opponent doesn't look frazzled at all. On his turn he plays land, Mox Pearl and then calmly plays Balance. And the reaction from player one was beautiful. He didn't get upset. He didn't get angry. He didn't say anything negative. He started laughing like crazy, which really brought attention to the whole situation.

[@jackl8025]

No need to be angry when the opponent discards their entire hand to destroy my one creature

[@MrMartinSchou]

@@jackl8025 It was two, but yeah.

[@jackl8025]

​@@MrMartinSchouthe rare balanced Balance 😂 if you play vintage cube, Balance still has a nice little life there, working as a board wipe in Planeswalker heavy control, or as Mind Twist if you can Mox out your balance early.

[@alexanderwaller7354]

You just described the average low-powered game of Yu Gi Oh.

[@MrMartinSchou]

@@alexanderwaller7354 Wait - you're telling me that the cards that were powerful 25+ years ago are no longer powerful?! Why didn't anyone tell me?! I'm still running Savannah Lions, because it's the most powerful 1-drop creature in Magic! It's a 2/1!

[@xTheIceKinGx]

These were such fun, broken games to watch. You guys look like you had a blast! Really enjoyed this. :)

[@shilohartisan]

27:58 Selvala resolves before Apex Devastator, so you should draw when Devastator enters.

[@Varler_]

That was a really clean win from Seth! Great way to use cards I almost never see played.

[@theornerytrilobite]

This was a fun one to watch. I really enjoyed the short post-game discussion coming back. Personally I hope the ban list stays mostly the same, maybe with more adds actually. Not very hopeful for that though, sadly.

[@ivonneiglesias2596]

Nah, coalition victory, braids and a lot of cards must be unban

[@mateoschwartz7527]

I thought I had slipped into an alternate universe because I swore I had seen almost exactly these banned commanders played before, but I couldnt find a commander clash video with them. I was going crazy until I remembered it was Commander Vs who played refellos, ionia, and grizelbrand, except corey played Erayo. Thank god it wasn't an alternate universe and instead we get a second crazy video with these broken cards.

[@Nathanael_Forlorn]

This was a real cool match! Pretty much everyone had their moment in the spotlight.

[@nogen-uu5nu]

This game has been my favorite yet. high level but still understandeble with good commentary

[@daftsquare]

Seth with the most unimpressive Griselbrand activations of all time.

[@metatron8578]

Well, it won him the game, like it does every time, not sure what else you expect from it.

[@tylerfoster2814]

Fantastic game, as always! I would love to see more variants now that you're doing paper commander, such as players bringing Planechase decks for their commander decks, or playing Archenemy (or Supervillain Rumble).

[@darushkii]

Love it! Best edh gamepay series on youtube

[@OctopiWalgreens]

this looked rlly fun honestly

[@tmain1320]

They gonna say that the most broken stuff that happened that game was the smothering tithe, but we cant pretend that rothollos, griselband, golos and iona all wernt massive in how this game turned out. Richard was able to king make and not really advance the game. Phil got insane early mid and late game value from his commander. Tomer was able to ramp after a balance (another rightfully banned super strong performing card) and cast three free spells, and Seth was able to draw soooo many cards and even though he was left alive, he was left alive because his life was low BECAUSE HE DREW SOO MANY CARDS. Super fun to watch and love unbanned games, but dont pretend that all 4 of these cards are fine lol.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

griselbrand largely just fueled the lifeswap stuff but otherwise sort of did nothing due to balance. iona did NOTHING lol literally nothing. clearly golos and rofellos are completely broken.

[@blobface103]

​@thatepicwizardguy 100% agree with this. Seth was the only way Richard could have a chance against Phil, so he could only realistically chose green for Iona, and even in Iona HAD come down, the biggest game winners on the board/deck was the eldrazi. Sure these 4 commanders are strong, but black has a million ways of doing what Griselbrand did, and White's worst or most powerful cards are way faster and more game-winning than Iona

[@alexanderwaller7354]

​@@thatepicwizardguy Yeah bit Seth was deliberately playing derpy demon tribal and not Tendrils. A tuned Griselbrand wins the turn it enters.

[@mrorris88]

Griselbrand won from 2 life. I don't think that can be overlooked Also, I think Golos didn't do much. It spun once, ramped a few times, but was nothing compared to coffers, all of Phil's deck, and smoothering tithe. The most amount it did is get vesuva

[@alexduea]

This was very interesting to see in light of the circumstances. Considering all the unknowns about the future of a Commander ban-list and what this Tier system might bring, it was nice to see you put it to the test. Personally, I feel like some of the banned cards used weren't much worse than what I'm used to seeing on a weekly basis in my pod. The fact that this only seemed *slightly* exaggerated in comparison is a bit scary Thank you for the great banter and wonderfully warm content!

[@VivBrodock]

so out of curiosity I decided to look up just how many gates could be run across the various colors. Mono-Black can run exactly 10 gates before land copying effects.... so now this idea will consume my life. thanks Tomer for playing a gates deck.

[@DimondGamer-sv3yb]

What is your tenth gate? Because I only counted nine for mono-black.

[@PandaKnight-FightingDwagon]

This went exactly how I expected it to go for someone playing Iona is their commander

[@whoopsmymeds]

WOOOOW that ending. And this isn't even a clickbait reply lol

[@warhead5000]

Great game guys. Games like these are a fine example that a good amount of the banned cards are not quite so over the top and would offer a further diversity of gameplay to the commander format.

[@kaptainkokujin4986]

30:35 Tomer read Richard like a kid's age 4 - 5 reading comprehension book earlier for that boardwipe

[@Welverin]

0:25 As if you don't feel that way everyday, Phil.

[@Welverin]

Damn it, Richard! I wanted to see Seth roll for Mana Crypt!

[@froggystrap1232]

Cleanest win ever!!!

[@ben_clifford]

The assignment: Play anything you want Three of the players: Ima just play my favorite color, but broken 😂

[@projektnine]

This is amazing. I am currently building Rofellos, Braids, Leovold, and Nadu because they are banned

[@TimPlay-eq6ng]

Braids just does not belong in this list. Unban Braids!

[@alexanderwaller7354]

​@@TimPlay-eq6ng Bring back "banned as commander" and Braids and Rofellos are fine. Braids is still more oppressive than Tergrid if you ramp into her t1.

[@BlackDragonStudios1]

You guys need to do this more often this is awesome!

[@helfiswelf]

Great game Seth what a swing

[@ElDocBruh]

Hot damn that Springheart onto the Primordial that was 1 turn away from happening would have been brütal.

[@adamkarolak3544]

I'm not sure about brutal part, that's just a wincon. You get 20+ copies of primordial to overrun your opponents next turn, and remove their ability to answer by taking away their lands. How is that worse than any infinite combo? It still require 8-drop + 2 drop + enough mana to wipe other players resources, can be stopped with instant speed removals and counters.

[@WytchfynderGeneral]

Love that Seth still plays the orange swamps 😂

[@RisottoNero-z1w]

Crim really makes the games more interactive.

[@RyanEglitis]

Surprised how few moxes we saw

[@burnsboy101]

Not really, there’s 3 mono coloured decks

[@RyanEglitis]

@@burnsboy101 No black lotus or time walks or ancestrals either though...

[@burnsboy101]

@@RyanEglitis only one person was playing blue? The only reasonable point you have mentioned is black lotus

[@alexanderwaller7354]

Screw power 9, I wanted to see the much more powerful Contract from Below!

[@RyanEglitis]

@@alexanderwaller7354 They played that in a game a few weeks back when they had ante.

[@Seergun]

Richard forgot about the card that got unbanned with Iona, Painter's Servant, the card I'm convinced they wanted instead of Iona considering it's a hard lock without onboard affects.

[@alexanderwaller7354]

Painter's Servant did used to be banned instead of Iona. I'm happier with Iona gone and Momir Vig hackball still possible.

[@kaeltas6]

If one day Phil Cascade's into something just below the cascade card cost then the world will end :x

[@larry-wallacelane493]

I really wish we could see some more gameplay with these same decks.

[@DropOfHoneyMTG]

I think Phil may need a course on how to build a deck with cascade at this point 😅

[@gregorybarnard5593]

Really fun video 😂

[@alexanderwaller7354]

Ah yes, the famed 2-card-hand Library of Alexandria.

[@ashtonwestfall4777]

27:02 where do you all get your floating mana trackers

[@BrandonBenderstayfresh]

29:09 Phil's floating Mana token! Where can I get one of those?

[@Slim3398]

Finally. An IRL no ban list game

[@chucklingchocolate12]

I learned that all these banned cards are fun ways to play the game, very splashy and cool

[@benjaminleonard123]

what a comeback

[@terraqueo89]

So Richard has treasures in his garage!

[@bartoszkonieczny3238]

What was that black thing on Seth's desk at 6:20??

[@mandielyn0416]

Is Tomer the conductor for “Clash on”? This years Broadway musical blockbuster.

[@zillstilltrill3446]

46:23 shouldn't the bolas citadel force Seth to pay 8 life on the Unholy Annex? Cause the cmc on split cards are counted together?Doesnt' matter in the end but just for ruling confusions.

[@calebreazin6385]

I can’t wait for the 20 second countdown for the clash on

[@SkylersWife]

Unholy Anus, good card. Great content guys. Great plays

[@doriandog4335]

20:27 how did Seth get the initiative?

[@smargio]

1:45 THANK YOU!

[@thomasgamperfeitoza7319]

Tomer: Who has a coin in 2024? Phil in germany looking at his coin purse: 😅

[@Alkhemia8]

surprised no one running any of the power 9 was hoping to see some Mox or a Black Lotus

[@kkhello823]

This was awesome I love hi power. This is what I see bracket 4 as. All the best commanders, all the best staples, and fast mana, but using it for crazy things/strong strategies. Not super efficient win cons. This is the difference between hi power and cEDH. Fantastic game.

[@kkhello823]

Definitely my personal favorite way to play commander.

[@nathanpalmiter3260]

That was a really cool win.

[@joelhatterini6392]

Pay attention folks, this is what the format will look like in six months.

[@ijijijijijijijijijii]

next weird rule set should be each person has a deck that they would believe would be from the new bracket system. So 1 person has a bracket 1 deck, 1 person has a bracket 2 and so on. See if people agree on each person's interpretation of which cards go in which bracket.

[@PheonixRise666]

We don't even know what the implementation of the theorised bracket system would be. We know basically nothing any speculation is just that speculation.

[@xdelbarrio]

it sounds fun but I think they should wait for the official bracket release, their pod discussing where would some cards go was fun but showed a lot of discrepancies in how they would rank the cards lol

[@autoenthused]

24:13 Timer:I thought it was a god card! Richard: It’s it. That’s cause you didn’t choose correctly, you see. Get good. That’s a skill based card!”

[@mjkuehl]

How did Tomer not put all the mox and paradox engine in his deck?

[@Karl_Smink]

Tomer blocking with Golos while he had 20+ treasures on the board just seems completely incorrect when the attack wasn't lethal (because he had other blockers). Granted, he couldn't guarantee they were going to survive Ricahrd's turn (and they didn't), but not having to replay Golos on your turn with that much mana means an extra spin.

[@DerpHerper]

I want a 3 mana version of Balance just for lands. Please Wizards. That play was so beautiful.

[@wchenful]

I would've built Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 😁

[@Nick-ff4is]

Two Karakases...

[@karlvestin7975]

​@@Nick-ff4isKaraki?

[@jackl8025]

​@@Nick-ff4isEmrakul cast trigger is pretty good against Karakas if you can cast it off Thran Dynamos & such

[@christopherrue1773]

​@@Nick-ff4is Be a shame if we took an extra turn....

[@Nick-ff4is]

Yeah but not after a Farewell wipes all the ramp off the table.

[@WTBliiip]

Richard: "I haven't actually read boompile"

[@AlexCruz-fe3gm]

I didn't know that Ancient Cellerspawn's 2nd affect triggered from paying life instead of the mana cost, I assumed it wouldn't read you paying a "reduced" cost since no mana was inputted for it's cost to begin with.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Yeah, it's a pretty unique card, but as long as you paid less mana than the mana value it should trigger regardless of how you cast the spell.

[@lassius5464]

8:47 Could we get the art with the full rules text? Please and thank you 😊

[@electric_dream_machine]

Why didn't Tomer activate Golos with the 40+ treasures he had? Am I missing something?

[@guilhermeribeiromichelino3852]

Is Tomer speaking differently than before or was it the audio?

[@argsgsgsgnngndg9894]

Phil, i love you, no hetero

[@TheMagicRat933]

Is Deserted Temple underrated? Between all the lands tapping for double digit mana this episode, Deserted Temple would have put in serious work.

[@ivan-ky9mk]

Phil back on green! Finaly ramp is back on the table after that vorinclex deck!

[@RyanEglitis]

Nice finish

[@tyrusconley]

Finally a video with Crim and it was a great episode. Glad I could watch it.

[@PickleWickYT]

Could somebody point me to the floating mana token they use? It is so perfect and I feel like I can't find it

[@WhizzerdSupreme]

THIS is Magic as Richard Garfield intended...except Iona, of course.

[@bdac5653]

I like to think Crim would have played Erayo.

[@jstrozza9411]

Seth’s deck was sick

[@alfascorpi]

My legal Goreclaw deck would have a similar ridiculously strong boardstate as Phil had, speed is extreme in green

[@edendman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Phil should've drawn off of Apex Devastator because Selvala would've been on the battlefield first.

[@emarean1352]

This no ban list needed Tolarian Academy

[@UnknowableSir]

I actually played this deck that Tomer was running (minus all the other banned cards) and then they banned golos, and none of my gates had a home till baldurs gate 😢

[@cloudycalcifer7799]

Why didnt. Tomar activate golos abunch of times with a million treasures when phil attack him ? .p.s. Very fun game tbh 😮

[@T_Peazy]

Just got started: Seth and Richard are doing it wrong. These legends are absolutely the worst when they're in the 99 of your deck a d you can reanimate them.

[@Nick-ff4is]

They never go fully competitive with it...they still try to make interesting content. But it misleads many to think this is the ceiling of EDH, when it's still like 7/10 decks...just with some banned cards.

[@alexanderwaller7354]

Nope, Griselbrand as commander used to be faster than K'rrik when it was legal, and this is before JLo was ever conceived. Kaalia of the Vast used to cheat G-Bizzle and Iona, including by Entomb Reanimate, but it was actually slower as well as less consistent. The deck is basically rocks, rituals, tutors, discard, Tendrils, and a Xiahou Dun or something to get back Tendrils.

[@T_Peazy]

@alexanderwaller7354 you said griselbrand is fast as a commander then listed 6 ways to cheat it out on turn 2 that d9nt work feom the command zone. Any deck can play rocks into 8 drops on 4. That's not a grizzy-b problem. K'rrik doesn't need ANYTHING else to come down on 4 and CAN come down on turn 1 or 2 easily with little help. You're objectively incorrect.

[@T_Peazy]

@alexanderwaller7354 also griselbrand isn't a storm payoff. Rituals, rocks, tutors into tendrils is great. If you tutor, rituals and rocks into griselbrand. You've wasted a storm turn.

[@alexanderwaller7354]

@@T_Peazy I play K'rrik cEDH and played Griselbrand 10 years ago. I've firsthand experience of being correct. Grisel is like an Ad Nauseam in the command zone. You ramp into him, storm goes up, draw 35 cards, play more free ramp into bigger ramp into tutor Tendrils, storm goes up, draw more cards, pick up Tendrils & play another one, its all a one-turn thing. The storm doesn't finish when you play Griselbrand, it keeps going, he might be card 5 in a storm of 30+. K'rrik was good with JLo and Crypt but Grisel never needed those to be on another level. You can see I'm right by goldfishing both.