Queza vs. Rocco vs. Cormela vs. Orfeo | Commander Clash S12E14

[@MTGGoldfish]

What does Approach of the Second Sun do again?

[@alanpinheirobrito1358]

"I don't think fan would like the ideia that we are not gonna play our deck". This is why you are the GOAT of magic content Seth

[@calebguarino6430]

Yeah kinda bummed with the “my deck is mana screwed so I’ll let the game go” mentality

[@Lucarioguild7]

@@calebguarino6430 Nah I think Phil was in the right, playing the boardwipe one way or another is just king making, also to Seth's point playing a game 2 lets us have more opportunity to see them play their decks instead of just turning 1 game into a slog fest where he's still mana screwed for the foreseeable future.

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

@@Lucarioguild7 how is wiping the board king making? It’s preventing victory. Just because he’s mana screwed at the moment doesn’t mean he will be the rest of the game.

[@Fromaginator]

"that's bojuka himself" I think a series of shorts of Seth explaining magic lore would be phenomenal

[@roberttyo4939]

I like to think it’s a first name + last name. He’s Bo Juka, and it’s his bog

[@Fromaginator]

@@roberttyo4939 I like this interpretation a lot

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

@@roberttyo4939 Wow that sounds so legit. It even has a Cajun ring to it.

[@brningpyre]

Richard: Spot removal is overrated. Also Richard: *loses to completely uninterrupted Elfball*

[@bobbycapar4820]

spoilers!

[@towelociraptor]

He said he had like 7 board wipes and drew none of them, sometimes you get unlucky

[@galleadden]

i mean, yeah spot removal would not have saved them like a board wipe would

[@swirlingtoilets]

Man if only there were cheap ways to stop a powerful two drop on turn 2. Too bad nothing like that exists. Oh well, gotta dig for Farewell or Decree of Pain

[@nCedric1]

Spot removal is overrated but he basically played close to no interaction.

[@MrShinyObject]

Seth: "I don't have any way to shuffle cards back into my deck." Archangels Light: "Am I a joke to you?" Everyone: "YES"

[@SalientLamprophany]

Also midnight clock lol. Would have taken a while but still

[@mms4382]

Usually I am embaressed when content creators use catch phrases but "clash on" sounds really good for this video series and not cringe at all.

[@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147]

Clash On!

[@RyanEglitis]

Agree with Seth - playing for game 2 is really lame. It takes the awful gameplay of playing for second, and makes it worse by explicitly playing for last.

[@Spaced92]

Everyone has had their rough moment, but yeah if you don't play it obviously doesn't make for the best game experience. It'd be different if it was king making, but someone just vomited their board and no-one else had anything going on, he definitely could have made it a game in retrospect. Having said that plenty of people would've tried to be greedy and wait for a land for decree of pain, I just think the Elves were coming eventually, play that later.

[@blueplayer6197]

Seth: "I have no way to shuffle or win" Also Seth: holding midnight clock that can shuffle and approach that would just win I'll just chalk it up to too easy but then why is approach in the deck?

[@ankhi3585]

As a backup Archangel's Light of course.

[@DonovanPresents]

He could've also won with Approach at the end as well 🙃

[@MTGGoldfish]

I honestly just forgot about Midnight Clock! I put it in the deck as a good mana rock, but it's even better than that in the deck.

[@maciekwilkosz6377]

@@MTGGoldfish Seth you had Lich's Mastery on board and Approach in hand. That's a combo you played in standard yourself. It's so weird to see you miss it.

[@michaellester8939]

If Phil isn't going to play the boardwipe, why not just concede then? There isn't an answer out there that would have dealt with Tomer's board and left Phil's two creatures. So either no one answers anything and Tomer runs away with it, or someone else draws an answer (or two answers after Phil gave Tomer the extra turn to draw more protection) and Phil still won't do anything. I didn't like the strategy, and it made for a bad viewing experience. After it became obvious Phil wasn't going to play his wipe, I just started skipping forward to see if anyone ever dealt with the board. There are definitely times to slow roll removal and answers. When an elf-ball player has all the mana and card draw in the world, it's not that time. If you aren't going to try to win game 1 just to get to game 2, concede and start over. And the crew has revenge weeks for decks that don't have the showing they want. I'm sure if Phil had asked, they probably could have just done a revenge week in the next month. Edit: This comment was overly harsh. The Decree of Pain line is probably a valid attempt. And of course, Seth or Richard are also allowed to play removal in their decks as well. I really enjoy the current four as a group, but I feel like they could use 10% more Crim in their deckbuilding practices.

[@person3176]

Phil definitely should've wiped the board here. What's the other option? Let Tomer run away with the game even more and hope for second place?

[@BrewersKitchen]

I was hoping to stay alive until I draw a land and cast Decree of Pain. Blasphemous Act would have left me stranded with 3 lands and all 7-8 drops in hand. I get your points though, it's not like this was an easy decision to make

[@Spirited_skiing]

@@BrewersKitchen I think a lot of people are making the assumption that you wiping gives you a better chance of winning (which is true to some amount), but was that % increase worth it to be miserable for another hour? I think it’s an important question and one spectators are discounting. A lot of people want to apply cEDH philosophy to always make plays that increase their chances of winning to a casual game where sometimes shuffling up is better. And if you’re not having fun, letting the game end is a good choice! Fwiw I don’t come down on the same side as you and I would 100% fire the boardwipe, but I respect your logic on it

[@shadowpsyke]

He could have drawn into mana to cast decree of pain, yeah? He only needed 2 lands and he would draw a bazillion cards and deal with the board. Casting Blasphemous act doesn't help him at all, because he has basically 0 chance to win from that position. At best, he helps Seth or Richard win, and at worst Tomer still wins but it takes several more turns. Conceding doesn't really help if the other two players don't as well. There's also kind of an unspoken rule that they don't concede except when it's completely obvious one player is about to win.

[@BrewersKitchen]

​ @Justin Siegner Oh yeah I would have fired off that Decree right away if I drew a land. This was a very weird situation to be in. I see how it is very frustrating to look at, though. It certainly was frustrating to play xD

[@ddublu]

in scryfall - and by extension moxfield -, you can search for predefined groups of cards. The query for triomes is succinctly "is:triome". Same goes for is:shockland, is:bicycleland, is:fetchland etc. doesn't help on modo, but still...

[@chrisjones1473]

I appreciate Seth Forcing the Finale and continuing to play even though they wanted a game 2. 🔥💯

[@LordQQQ]

I think Seth forgot about approach of the second suns that would’ve saved a lot of the problems of closing out the game

[@MetalEffort]

Yeah I looked for this comment because I saw that too. It would have been easy to draw to it that turn and cast it again.

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" Everyone's back on the street but this time doing their own dirty-work. Will Richard's thugs make everyone pay their dues or will Tomer's gang of elves stake their claim first? Tune-in to find out!

[@shadowpsyke]

This video is an example of why Seth and Richard should run more removal. Yeah, you have less slots to play fun cards, but you don't fold every game to things like turn 2 priest of titania.

[@BlackMan890]

he was running a lot of wraths, he just wasn't finding them even 20+ cards deep. Do people not watch the video?

[@Lucarioguild7]

Even though I miss Crim I think this season has been really healthy for Seth and Richard to realize they need to run interaction lol, every game has been decided by splashy powerful cards because no one runs removal except for Crim

[@shagua2]

I liked Richard’s joke “the PHIL-osophical quandary”

[@rosavanopheusden5211]

GAME ONE: a turn three Smuggler's Share would have produced: for Tomer: 0 cards, 1 treasure for Seth: 1 card, 1 treasure after the Bane of Progress, Smuggler's Share would have produced: for Tomer: 4 cards for Seth: 3 cards a turn five Aerial Extortionist would have produced (not counting its exile ability): for Tomer: 2 cards for Seth: 1 card GAME TWO: a turn three Smuggler's Share would have produced: for Seth: 3 cards, 2 treasures for Tomer: 5 cards a turn five Aerial Extortionist would have produced (not counting its exile ability): for Seth: 0 cards for Tomer: 0 cards

[@benjiboy1337]

Agree with the assessment that Rocco might be bad for the format. You can just run Naya 2-card Combo Tribal, and use him to get the second half of whichever combo you happen to draw.

[@dawubber6676]

I've only played against Rocco once, and it was Elemental Incarnation Tribal with Purity as the secret commander. I get that it can be CEDH levels of mean, but can also be built dumb memey.

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

For the record Seth did have a way to shuffle his graveyard into his library. Archangel's Light. Also for the Record, Hi Niuttic you do a good job.

[@kaszael]

Midnight Clock too. Eventually.

[@derekreed6627]

Phil not wiping the board is so tilting. Tomer would have been so far behind if that happened.

[@cloudroth6]

Phil would of also been super far behind, he was mana screwed and nothing in his hand would be castable. I don't blame him for wanting to game 2. Remember when a couple weeks ago he was stuck just watching everyone else play magic for 2 hours. The same thing can happen if you are mana screwed and you can't do anything

[@nathanpalmiter3260]

Yeah but he would have been left with 3 lands and 2 cards in hand.

[@brianray3956]

Seth : Uncommon commanders used to be really janky but now these are like really legit Commanders Tatyova: Am I a joke to you...

[@kingfuzzy2]

The exception and not the rule.

[@fernandotanigushi8310]

it started with Tatyova. between her and Eldraine, i don't know if there is any legit commanders.

[@Kryptnyt]

@@fernandotanigushi8310 Commander Legends has quite a few, many of the partners are quite good, Imoti is busted, Juri and Araumi are pretty ok

[@Spaced92]

Zada and Adeliz were very powerful uncommon commanders

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

"If I play a board wipe, I don't do anything for the rest of the game." Proceeds to do nothing for the rest of the game.

[@chips8623]

His logic made sense, but Seth had the right of it, we dont come watch these things to see you sit and not play cards. IMO Phil says 'clash on' for the rest of the season for this one.

[@towelociraptor]

@@chips8623 Would you rather do nothing for 5 more minutes with a slight chance of becoming competitive if you don't die before your next turn, or do nothing but "draw go" for 30+ more minutes?

[@chips8623]

@@towelociraptor since we actually DID get to watch him do nothing for 30 more minutes...... I think your argument is flawed?

[@theomniarch7405]

@@chips8623 That doesn't follow. He just didn't have good draws for the alternate play, but just because he went for an out and it didn't happen doesn't mean the play was wrong.

[@chips8623]

@@theomniarch7405 both choices are a case of 'play to your outs'. He chose *hope the imminently lethal threat leaves me alive until I draw into something to do* instead of my recommend *cast the one spell I can cast and cripple the imminently lethal threat and hope to draw into something to do before someone ELSE presents lethal*. Which I consider not only a better plan to get more draws, but also better content. You and I are players, but at the end of the day these guys are content creators too.

[@MaxMckayful]

Not enough love for how awesome that Game 2 endgame scenario was. Leaving the missed plays aside, that was the epitome of "powerful magic" that many enjoy about Commander. Watching a scenario of "my entire deck versus your entire deck" was really enjoyable. Some other notes... - Love Seth experimenting with "fewer staples" builds - Poor Phil had been doing well not drawing Sol Ring as much earlier this season, but is falling back into old habits - Good reminder of what goldfishing a good Elfball start is like. That deck spirals like no other. Reminder that Commander Clash is not about optimal plays. It's about having a play group you enjoy playing styles of Magic you enjoy, whatever that means. Continue to love the variety of interesting decks that is rare to find in quite this manner elsewhere.

[@McArRuIzO]

Okay guys, c'mon. I know Phil got the fast start in game 2. But now I'm really seeing the massive lopsided early death of Phil every week.

[@PPatel-uy3xq]

It's kinda sad I like Phil and his decks, but I kinda want him off, because he just gets hated out and it becomes so much less interesting to watch.

[@winssports4830]

@@PPatel-uy3xq yeah but when he's sitting there with a wrath in hand with the logic of I won't be doing anything if I cast it.....when he's literally not doing anything anyways and it can help the table it's hard to feel bad for him. He also has the craziest starts lol.

[@BeadyAbiter]

​@winssports4830 yeah that's what I'm wondering he's just sitting with blast act letting everyone build and build, why bother even sitting there? You've already done nothing for turns, just board wipe or don't bother being there

[@nCedric1]

On the context of not prolonging the game an hour and a half, I 100% agree with Phil not wiping there. Tomer would just rebuild, and he (Phil) doesn't have a deck that quickly recovers. It's easier and more fun to just go to g2.

[@Crabalien]

Completely disagree. Phil was holding electromancer and could have regenerated his nightscape. Yeah he needs to draw some cards but playing to lose is just such a bad mentality. Especially as a content creator.

[@nCedric1]

@@Crabalien If he wiped, he would be playing to lose, as he wouldn't have power enough to recover in comparison to the other decks. He didn't play to lose, he played not to prolongue the game another 90 minutes, as it always happen in this series and is the reason they dislike Cyclonic Rift (it doesn't end the game, it just prolongues it). Have some empathy, they're humans, not just content creators. They happen to record themselves for our entertainment, but they're also playing for themselves. They should have fun, and Phil wouldn't have had fun if he wiped.

[@Crabalien]

@@nCedric1 not wiping was playing to lose. Post wipe he would have had nightscape and electromancer in his hand still(because he wiped instead of putting down more things to make him not wipe. At that point, he could have drawn into action. Tomer and Seth would have been neutered.. Richard was still a threat but Phil wouldn't have been just dead like he was. It honestly made the first game so bad to watch. Like Seth said later, no point in not playing your deck. Once again, Phil could have casted blasphemous act and regenerated his nightscape familiar, losing only his commander. Then played nightscape. From the 2nd game, we know he had cards he could draw into that would put him back into the game but Phil deliberately took the line that wouldn't allow him the time.

[@Crabalien]

@@nCedric1 there is no way of knowing the game wouldn't drag on another 90 minutes. What if Richard or Seth had hit a wrath which he knew they would cast? He would be in a much worse position (no nightscape/electromancer.) You can't argue that because they didn't, what Phil did was right.

[@bridgealtaccount4439]

"Do we play game two?" *Richard reels back holding his head and says "yea we probably wont get away with it (only playing one game)" I could not stop laughing from that reaction 😂

[@itsallenwow]

Alright guys honest feedback for this episode. It's cool not to always play the top tier decks. But I'd like if there could be more of a focus on like really winning. Doesn't need to be like super competitive but like where Phil didn't wipe the board when Tomer had a massive board that turn was a little sus imo.

[@BrewersKitchen]

Lol that comment section is a bit on fire 😅 Sorry I didn’t wipe the board here. I’m kingmaking if I don’t but I’m kingmaking someone else if I do, while setting myself back even further. Blasphemous Act would have left me stranded with 3 lands and all 7-8 drops in hand. I was hoping to draw a land to cast Decree of Pain so I could get some value out of it and maybe get back into the game.

[@PikachaoArt]

If you could've drawn just one land things could've have been so different! I don't think it was a bad gamble to wait and see

[@ItsMeBoingo]

It’s understandable you made a play and it didn’t turn out well it happens thanks for the content as always!

[@Palidram]

I'm sure plenty of the people commenting would have made the exact same play in your position. It would have been a complete waste to lose ~50% of your mana production and just to sit there another hour doing nothing at all. At least your line gave you an out of drawing a lot of cards. It gave you the best chance of winning to wait and throwing out the blasphemous act would just ensure that you fall further behind in my opinion.

[@jorzolek01]

If it had paid off and you had drawn your land then they would probably be praising the choice to not wipe the board right away.

[@towelociraptor]

You absolutely made the right play! Commander is a social format by nature, and you made the choice that maximized fun for the table (move to game 2) at no expense to yourself. It's easy for people to complain from a distance, but board wiping there is like the equivalent of casting Armageddon with no immediate wincon - nobody wants to be involved in that when they're the ones playing.

[@theprotogamer5253]

Phil not casting his wipe early in the game kinda aggravated me. Seth had already spent a tutor and a reanimation spell on Sol Ring. The three land thing really was a non case. Seth had what? 4. 5?

[@BlackMan890]

Wouldn't have mattered either way. Phil's play decision was the correct play decision. Board wiping would have brought him back to the stone ange and wouldn't have affected Tomer due to Tomer having Teferee's Protection on him (at least it looks like teferee's protection). Nobody seems to realize that Tomer was carrying protection magic and keeping up mana for a reason.

[@Linkhyrule64]

I agree phil made the right play. His only hope was to decree and draw cards

[@scarecr0w630]

Richard: guys I'm playing jund! Also richard: gruul list with 4 black cards

[@BAM_Deadstroke]

That 2nd game ending LMAOOO Man, what a pair of games.

[@benjiboy1337]

Pretty sure that Seth had enough mana to play Lich's Mastery, cast Approach of the Second Sun, draw 7 off of the Mastery to get Approach back in hand, and cast it a second time for the win. Just had to show off the Queza combo, though. That's 20 mana win the game from that position, and I'm fairly certain he had 20 mana.

[@SmashPortal]

How do they select who the main perspective is? I'd think a good way would be to randomly select between the two players who lasted to the end, but they frequently show perspectives that get knocked out early.

[@Niuttuc]

We just rotate through the cast weekly, same order as you see in the intros except when there's an issue. Sometimes that means that's a player that gets taken out early or has mana troubles, but that's also part of commander and that way the viewer can't know in advance who might win (or survive).

[@BeastlyP1g]

Is everyone else SHOCKED Phil didn’t boardwipe? He was in the DREAM Richard situation, “I’m going to sacrifice myself for the greater good, don’t attack me” and didn’t.

[@HypnoticGG]

Shocked and annoyed tbh. I don't understand giving the game to another player so they'll end fast. Just concede if you are that bored playing.

[@shadowpsyke]

@@HypnoticGG but he said it himself that he gains absolutely nothing by board wiping. Half of his effective mana is on board and he has no lands in hand. Either the game ends fast and he gets to play a hopefully better game 2, or he is able to leverage his board state into something more meaningful and wipe later when he can actually recover.

[@HypnoticGG]

@@shadowpsyke and he's wrong. It was a salty play, not a good one. Seth had one more land. He curries favor with Seth and Richard. He literally king made Tomer and asked Tomer not to kill him. That is not a good strategy. It's poor sportsmanship. You 100% cast the boardwipe there.

[@towelociraptor]

@@HypnoticGG That's your opinion, and imo your preference is the "salty play" not Phil's. Poor sportsmanship is resetting the board when you know you're gonna lose just for the sake of extending the game, rather than letting someone finish it and move to a more fun and interactive game 2. Board wiping would only extend the game while not putting him in any position to win, and rather than make the next 25 minutes extremely boring and painful for everyone he chose to let the game end. Could he have gotten some favor with Seth and Richard by playing Blasphemous Act? Sure, but he had no mana, no card draw engine, and only high cost cards in hand, so best case scenario is he maybe assembles a competitive board state after like 5-6 turns of "draw go" which is far more miserable.

[@michaellester8939]

@@towelociraptor So, sure I guess. But notably, he drew the Blasphemous Act at 26:00 and died at 1:06, without doing anything. So instead of making the next 25 minutes extremely boring and painful for everyone, electing not to play the wrath....made the next 40 minutes boring and painful.

[@stronggreenflame]

Tomer says he puts ondu inversion in most decks, but if its in elf ball what deck wouldn't he put it in?

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

I won't run it in 4C or 5C decks.

[@stronggreenflame]

Would you run rebirth in 4 or 5c?

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

@@stronggreenflame No, I don't run MDFCs in 4C or 5C decks as a general rule.

[@stronggreenflame]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander so then is ondu inversion at least on the same tier as rebirth?

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

@@stronggreenflame I think Malakir Rebirth is a little better because it's better costed. 1mana for protecting a creature is the correct mana. 8mana for a wrath is not. But I run both often, along with Valakut Awakening, Bala Ged Recovery, Sea Gate Restoration, Khalni Ambush, Kabira Takedown, Sejiri Shelter, and I've even been jamming Jwari Disruption sometimes as well.

[@gabe3704]

If only seth had his sol ring a bit longer in game 1, that peer would have been nasty.

[@MTGGoldfish]

So close.

[@coleshepherd6419]

Simply just the best commander play around

[@person3176]

I dont think Rocco is nearly as bad as Jetmir. Why sink mana into Rocco to tutor for a Craterhoof when you can just play Jetmir for cheaper from the command zone.

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

I mean, you can search for other things than an overrun effect with Rocco? Tutors are good for versatility

[@person3176]

@@Ricardo-zo1ti that's of course true, the bane of progress was a really good tutor here. but for me i think i'd prefer Jetmir for consistency in a deck like this. Green has a lot of good creature tutors you can include in the 99. But they also got a good amount of overrun effects you can include in the 99. I guess it comes down to preference.

[@MaxMckayful]

@@person3176 An answer might be that both are really good and maybe it's kinda close which is better. While also mentioning, as you said about preference, that the builds for each deck will look a bit different to maximize the value of "overrun in command zone" versus "tutor in command zone"

[@AustinMerfeld]

Thanks editor!

[@ruudvanlaarhoven5776]

Richard, Chameleon Colossus is a pretty big creature when you have 31 treasures. Chandra's Ignition would work with that without the extra combat.

[@ruudvanlaarhoven5776]

It would be spending 24 treasures for 4 x 2^5 = 4 x 32 = 128 power with mana to spare to cast the Ignition.

[@keep7smiling]

1:27:55 : Rocco is indeed modern playable, since you can get Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar for X=0.

[@NoticemeSinPi]

Queza + Teferi's Puzzle box might be interesting

[@piralos1329]

The lack of any kind of Maruading Blight Priest style effect in Seth's deck caused me pain, as someone else who has built Queza as a lifegain deck. Turning all of those instances of gain 1 life into draining the entire table for 1, rather than just one person is SO good, and far less scary than an Aetherflux is! (At least, it is until you have those turns where you draw 40 cards and everyone dies)

[@alexandrelima2766]

Phiiiiil ! Play to win ! Of course you board wipe!

[@ronald_grinder]

That game 1 was hard to watch

[@lukecraig4984]

Can we have a week where you all do paper commander with un set commanders? I think that would be an entertaining change of pace from regular commander gameplay

[@DonovanPresents]

2:08:50 You literally had "approach of the second sun" in your hand Seth!

[@ConspiracyTheory5493]

I just wanted to mention that there is a legendary Phoenix now. I hope it's on MTGO cuz I wanna see Richard bring back the Phoenix tribal deck!

[@phantom_lux3412]

The true hero here is the editor

[@joefjunior]

Phil Plays Crim Games, Gets Crim Draws.

[@RyanEglitis]

Seth just punting away - why not counter the draw 28? Why let the ignition resolve without swordsing troll?

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

midnight clock shuffles.

[@davidthompson6861]

I do love an old-fashioned Elfball beatdown. Not a frequent occurrence with all the interaction I usually run into with mine.

[@MWorl91]

Tomer finding the most BM way of playing Elves.

[@binksee]

So looking forward to Mono W angels next week

[@Spirited_skiing]

Phil making the call not to board wipe was def controversial and I don’t agree with his logic, but he doesn’t deserve a ton of hate for it. He has a reasonable explanation and people are maybe getting a tad bit too salty about it imo. Sometimes when someone is so far ahead it’s better to move to game 2. Plus we may not have gotten a game 2 because game 1 would have dragged on if he had cast it and tomer was so far ahead that he probably still wins that game, since he had drawn 20 cards. Again, I would fire the board wipe in his situation but I don’t think it’s such a simple calculation

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

Yeah, and he was always 1 land away from the Decree. I think it was a reasonable call, maybe not the best one, but definitely a valid one

[@benknock981]

Imagine not reading the gain 7 life part of approach of the second sun when you draw a card for each life gain meaning you just draw it instantly

[@slymcfly123]

Why do they always kill Phil first?

[@demiurge2501]

14:07 This card is really popular in pauper elves decks also

[@brningpyre]

Queza is the first lifegain deck that I would play Dawn of Hope in, LOL.

[@BrandonMeesak]

I saw Seth had a midnight clock in hand to reshuffle everything

[@alexhockey7717]

On it being difficult to search for triomes because of the card names, searching scryfall for "is:triome" finds all of them.

[@regail7143]

Look, I get that Phil didn't want to do nothing all game but then just concede please guys. Tomer was so far ahead of all of you, it really wasn't fun to watch. Seth had the right mentality this game. Fight until you can't or just scoop, please don't make us watch an hour + long game of one guy stomping you all into the ground when you could actively prevent it. I have nothing against Phil, I really like his content and addition to CC, but I think from an entertainment point of view, this really really sucked.

[@seanedgar164]

It's not fair on the other 2 players fighting if you give the game to the 3rd. Yes he would've been behind but he'd make 2 allies and the elfball loses like 40 mana!

[@Ched_TTV]

Am I trippin or did Seth have approach of the second sun?

[@Shifffer]

I am so mad, Phil didn't use Blasphemous Act. Tomer could use Teferis Protection in response and Seth would counter that. I was waiting for it, but it never came to be ;(

[@ODIRGO]

Phil always puts cards in his decks he doesn't wanna cast, it's so annoying.

[@andreash.9251]

on minute 50:00: on phil's behalf, i wouldve totally cast aminatous augery. with the electromancer and the black thing and cormella, he had enough mana for that. he could have still whipe the board after that and get the augury back. Well, teferis protection wouldve ruined it. But thats another story.

[@McArRuIzO]

I use Wrenn and Seven in my Gates deck! Works great there.

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

and no one has played a removal spell. That's because you all subscribe to the "pop off harder" theory of commander.

[@brningpyre]

Dang, Seth threw away the win. Approach of the Second Sun in hand, and he just didn't play it+draw+win... EDIT: OH NOOOOOOOOOO

[@MT_LeagueGaming7896]

I'm at the 30 min mark and im watching Seth shuffle approach w peer into the abyss and a force of negation to protect the second cast... lol I'm totally trying this- ill get to the 7th card sooner than u think

[@martinprybylski2392]

not killing tomer and not countering momentous fall was definitely a misplay.

[@Tyrant372]

This is EXACTLY why Richard was literally DEAD wrong about not running spot removal........ They folded to a two drop for no real reason besides lack of interaction.

[@galleadden]

except that if you replace your spot removal with board wipes then that two drop dumps elfs and then elf player losers their whole board. while spot removal may have been nice early as we saw when he drew assassins trophy a wrath is always good.

[@Tyrant372]

@@galleadden or you could just kill the token maker before it makes tokens since 1 mana is alot less that 4 or 5.

[@galleadden]

@@Tyrant372 He was dumping his deck from a card draw engine, and a way to play from the top, a tutor commander, multiple big mana dorks a single target was nowhere good enough

[@Tyrant372]

@@galleadden it would be if they would kill the mana producers....

[@galleadden]

@@Tyrant372 Ok i should have kept watching before commenting lol. Seeing tomer use a wrath for a single target is alittle depressing XD

[@fernandotanigushi8310]

CLASH ON!! Today is an uncommun episode

[@JohnSmith-hs9ez]

1:33:11 Seth wtf why are you discarding the sunmare. Like actually what. That's the best card in your hand and you are able to cast it on your next turn wtf

[@Dementia55372]

Major punt by Seth to not just counter Momentous Fall. Or to just not interact with that whole situation at literally any point, why would you allow Richard to get effectively infinite mana AND THEN let him draw a quarter of his deck?

[@zacharybosley1935]

oh man, this was a game for the record books

[@sashabdreadful]

at the end there the line was queza, draw your deck, approach, approach

[@marymccleary8757]

Thank you for caring about the viewers, Seth. As long as we're on the subject, if we want to see the resources necessary to defeat a massive army languish unused in Germany because the Americans don't politic hard enough, there's a lot of competition on other channels.

[@TheQuarrelsomeOne]

"Expropriate isn't that bad", that is certainly a take.

[@seandun7083]

Seth not building around the card draw part of a legend? What!?

[@MTGGoldfish]

The card draw direction leads towards wheels/Narset/Notion Thief, which is one of my least favorite things in all of commander, so I decided to just avoid it all together.

[@seandun7083]

@@MTGGoldfish that's fair. Going Lich's mastery for infinite card draw is pretty good too.

[@JonaxII]

I don't get how SNC has a huy named "Toolbox" and Rocco, they sound so mixed up

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

tomer needs to build a kaldra deck with 20 counter spells to just force it through

[@Ybasd]

Clash on!

[@CenJohan]

Phil not casting blasphemous act in g1 felt really bad. Tomer is ahead massively and there is an immediate play that actually can impact the result of the game and he chooses the do nothing move. I'm sorry phil but that was aggravating.

[@joshuacapps7888]

Considering you're still paying it's mana cost, plus commander tax, I don't think Rocco's really that busted. There are a lot of commanders that let you draw a ton of cards or combat steps. Also, I believe Dockside is only really busted because artifact ramp is so huge in commander. Against my most my decks it comes down to get nothing because I don't need mana rocks in most of them. My mono red or white decks will give up 4 or 5 a dockside.

[@joshuabillie5083]

Doesn’t infect still kill through teferi’s pro

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

No, because Teferi's Protection prevents all damage.

[@joshuabillie5083]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander ohhh the protection from everything :p

[@RyanEglitis]

What a flavor fail - playing Nightscape Familiar right after making it day?

[@samdalfthegray4495]

I understand Phil's logic. He was constantly on the precipice of deciding between wrathing and potentially dragging the game out, or not and Tomer just winning and it ending. Just because Tomer didn't immediately kill everyone wasn't Phil's fault. (No shade to Tomer either!)

[@stronggreenflame]

So I thought it was a well known thing that the best card draw colors in commander in order is green black blue red white.

[@jacobschenecker7318]

I guess controversial? I agree with Phil, he had 3 lands all game and nothing but 7 drops, might as well not even cast the wrath.

[@BIGDTHEVILLAIN76]

Hard punt because Seth didn't level 3 his wizard class before going off

[@Zentenski]

I see a Lich's Mastery, I like the video. Simple.

[@demiurge2501]

I LOVE that SSBU intro

[@alecolson8360]

I think Phil made an ok choice

[@MstrKipper]

Cosmos Elixir is fine when you play life gain effects besides your 4 mana commander lol it's not going to be good when it's like the first spell you cast in the game

[@emilypearl3510]

Cast Approach...Seth you have approach, Seth use the approach! Seth, doesn't cast approach and doesn't win.

[@benjiboy1337]

Seth, Queza plus Valakut Awakening in Standard. Make it so. Against the Odds Standard Card Draw Tribal.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Hope to see some thiCC jank themes ( :

[@PalPlays]

Any chance that you guys could stop uploading in 1080p60? For Magic, there isn't much point in 60fps, and KZbin tends to encode it worse than 30fps. Plus, not all of us have the internet to stream 1080p60 so we basically have to choose whether we watch this as a slideshow or a podcast.

[@oORoOFLOo]

Removal bad you guys you are losing a card and the other two are in advantage! Also I love Tomers "unique" spin on elf ball by excluding a wincon making people suffer. :p

[@alecolson8360]

Quite the game!