Muay Thai vs Kickboxing | More Different Than You Know

Today we are speaking about the ruleset differences between muay thai and kickboxing. It's far more complex than "in muay thai you can clinch and elbow".
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[@GabrielVargaOfficial]

Which ruleset do you like better??? Old school K-1 was my favourite. Not too much clinch but enough. No elbows which I'm fine with. Fast pace action from the opening bell. Catching kicks and sweeping opponents was allowed. Not a fan of kickboxing rules now though.

[@Gojimaru]

No elbows sucks. Elbows are a game changer. The ferociousness is not there without them. Old school k-1 was the shit. They should bring back tournament rules.

[@charkyicenhour587]

Fave... 1FC!! I Encouraged their Poster. Cheered Amazing Boxing!!

[@charkyicenhour587]

Fave!! 1FC. In thailand!! Red VS BLue.... 1st Rd. I seek, energy and which 2 diff movement styles!! 2 diff Energy guys. Not the shakey guy. BLue has more Technician. Possibly. Energy vs style . Best of Mee!! Magically guessing.

[@Jenjak]

As a spectator I prefer Muay Thai with elbows and throws. As a fighter I prefer K1 😅

[@fiestastboost5788]

To watch Old school k1 was awesome had some of my favoirite top 20 fighters of all time, but without the political rubbish. Bad storys of how old k1 used to treat fighters. Between watching old k1 & muay thai (full size gloves) i honestly love both. In terms of training im elbows in & out defensive style in the mid range to long distance long punches, round kicks, teeps so its Muay Thai. Not a fan of the new glory or the mma gloved One championship. @ 102kg 6ft im not using small gloves ill break my hands for sure i have no doubt.

[@mingliangsun9067]

To add to the confusion, sometimes people (also guilty myself) say "kickboxing" as an umbrella term to mean all stand-up striking arts, in that sense Muay Thai is a type of kickboxing, like Sanda, K1 and well "kickboxing kickboxing," kind of like how sometimes people say "England" when they really mean "the whole UK" for convenience.

[@randybowman]

That's how I use the phrase kick boxing.

[@GodOfTheInternets]

It's sorta like Dutch-Japanese style kickboxing versus Thai-style kickboxing.

[@KeyserSoze23]

In Muay Thai, we embrace the art's rich heritage, honoring eight limbs and clinch work. Yet in Kickboxing, we celebrate the fusion of punches and kicks with fewer constraints. Guide us to appreciate Muay Thai's cultural roots and diverse strikes, while recognizing Kickboxing's dynamic movement. In humility, we seek understanding in these martial paths, knowing each carries its unique essence. Amen.

[@baron4486]

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[@emmanuelniyo4116]

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[@Tiimoshenko_]

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[@emersonr7481]

Weirdo!

[@robbdgaf1768]

A.I

[@natebardwell]

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[@ThePeacePlant]

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[@ybu22z]

The inconsistency in rules within kickboxing is frustrating - particularly around catching kicks. Some rule sets ban it completely, other allow catch and release with no strike, some a strike, some for a couple of seconds, and all variations in between. Also the variations on clinch rules in kickboxing is annoying.

[@afadaie]

Coach I am amazed how you come up with all these good content on a regular basis. Keep up the great job

[@sociallypatterneddefect9580]

I've been watching one small gloves but wish they allowed a bit longer clentch

[@carlossssssss5492]

Same

[@glennianaro6594]

Me too. Love the clinch

[@Robert399]

I definitely like the small gloves in ONE, although I know not everyone does.

[@Pastamist]

I’m glad someone finally mentioned this. Too many people I’ve heard from labeled Muay Thai under “kickboxing”, and a gym I visited in town has a list of martial arts (along with the flag of country of origin) its main style is comprised of, and among them is ‘kickboxing’ under a Thai flag.

[@midnut9036]

love the content! I feel like you could be reaching a wider audience though. It might help boost engagement to add more live footage from fights/sparring on half the screen to give people something more visually interesting to reference as you’re explaining.

[@hannibalwantsahuggrande3433]

Love the Muay Thai clinch!

[@elserpientethechamp2122]

I 100% Agree with you Gabriel, most people say how Muay Thai is just Kickboxing with elbows but they do not know that Kickboxing has it's own fighting styles and that Muay Thai has it's own styles of fighting and overall this video was very interesting for me just to see if I knew all of the differences regarding Muay Thai and Kickboxing, keep up the amazing work as always Gabriel! 🎉

[@joelthewolf]

Thanks for telling those watching who have no idea. Good video.

[@theironforce3000]

Great breakdown between the 2 👏 I never considered the betting aspect behind Muay Thai n how that can influence a match in Thailand.

[@wesleylawrence6439]

Thanks, I've been training for two years and never knew the difference.

[@ayske1]

I realised after speaking to my coach after my first in house. Most of us I feel spar with a kickboxing mentality even though we're not aware Come fight day, many neglect the body, high kicks, clinch which has seen their counterparts win in the end.

[@BoyBlaze2002]

I absolutely love the insight in this video, now I have a better understanding. See I always thought kickboxing was basically boxing with kicks. What I’m saying is it seemed that Kickboxing still focuses on immaculate head movement, and foot work the way a boxer would. In Muay Thai however it seems like they’re just moving forward and doing damage, and clinching as well as kicking with their shins. Also of course the use of elbows. Most Muay Thai fights I observed is that they don’t really focus primarily on head movement and footwork they way a kickboxer would. I think it’s good to have both in your arsenal though. I have Kickboxing, and Marine Corps martial arts under my belt, and now I wanna try Muay Thai.

[@karsonleperi2]

Good synopsis. Only correction I would make is on the wai kru. Depending on the gym, they might teach aspects of the wai kru to foreigners. This was the case at Khongsittha in Bangkok

[@charkyicenhour587]

Totally!! WKC!!! Crazy open to Muay thai.

[@NestingSpider]

I'm first, Gabriel!!! Good morning...

[@bso1469]

Finally someone explained the dofferences properly. Was very annoying to see people talking about how “corrupt” muay thai is because there are “robberies” and they “favour the thais”. In reality those making such claims just used a western kickboxing criteria to judge a different sport.

[@ciscokid1214]

I forgot the name but netflix made a show a bout the beting aspect of muay thai is really good check it ou

[@DucknoopCUE-ql9xi]

It's Hurt as Hell

[@Jenjak]

Very interesting show, half documentary half fiction. It really opened my eyes on the dark side of combat sports.

[@sanderbass]

Hurts like hell

[@MrTheWaterbear]

Clinching, throwing, tossing, tripping, elbows just looking at techniques. Big differences.

[@jeffreyhu2214]

I fought in Thailand several times, and a huge difference between Thais and Westerners is that Thais are very kick and clinch-heavy, whereas Westerners like to use hands more. As such, you can beat a local Thai guy with basic boxing, given that you know MT fundamentals like checking kicks and basic clinchwork

[@ancientdarkness3102]

Not true that. Muay thai has many ways of countering boxing without using boxing. Moving your head and hand framing when kicking, clinch at close distance, teeps to the legs and body, leg feints, intercepting switch kick, hand traps to elbows and knees and so on.

[@BoxerKyokushin]

jeffreyhu2214, this ancientdarkness3102 does Not understand your comment, he does Not understand my comments too 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@ancientdarkness3102]

@@BoxerKyokushin i do understand. But its not true. Saying that just because you have better hands than Thais its easier for you to win if you learn the basics of everything else is bs. Thais could say the same, they just need to perfection their hands and they would dominate even more because they already know all other weapons well

[@TeacherDoug7]

@@ancientdarkness3102 They could say the same, but they would be wrong. Punches to the head are more damaging and easier to land than kicks to the legs. A boxer who became skilled in defending thai attacks would have a big advantage.

[@ancientdarkness3102]

@@TeacherDoug7 you didnt get my point

[@MagickArmory]

Hey Gabriel would you ever compete in a "Lethwei " fight ? Traditional or modern WLC rules? Apologies if you have answered this before.

[@metalface_villain]

i think the best scoring would be to judge the entire fight as a whole based on damage. i also prefer 3 rounds but i don't mind 5 if the action starts from the 1st. as for the rules, i'd go with old muay thai rules for muay thai, not the modern one rules, where you aren't even allowed to clinch and for kickboxing with the old school k1 rules, which were basically muay thai rules but without elbows.

[@rmfadjar]

I train both styles since 2012, if people ask what's the difference between those 2 styles, just answer like this: Muay Thai focus on close range combat, while Kickboxing focus on long range combat.

[@amart93]

I think if kickboxing included elbows I’d be happy. Also people always say kickboxing has a more variety of kicks but what if someone just brings those kicks into Muay Thai?

[@karimgregni9803]

I remember my second kickboxing lesson, the instructor said "now I'll show you some elbows techniques" and I objected that elbows where not allowed in kickboxing, then the instructor said "Did you missed what I said during the first lesson? I will teach you also thay boxe techniques". That was the moment when my confusion reached the highest level😅 So thank you for helping me understanding a little more with this video😄

[@kaliduncanel3356]

The most important thing I think people dont understand is the scoring criteria. Kickboxing judges dont particularly want to judge your fight for you. A great example is Regian Eersal last fight. It was very even with the exception of the fact he got knocked down. Knockdowns, damage, and the number of clean strikes, and aggression take priority. Sweeps and throws dont get scored especially because they're against the rules. I very rarely see Nak Muays wrap there head around these concepts as they often try to implement ring generalship(hit and dont get hit) tactics and the clinch and become very confused about why they don't win decisions. Its like Ramon Dekkers early days in Thailand where he thought he was getting robbed, which on occasions he was, when he really didn't understand the judges dont care how many punches you scored.

[@johnathons1789]

What are your thoughts on Dwayne Ludwig Bang Muay Thai system?

[@thomaspiechulek535]

Depends on the gym i learnd a wai kru

[@outerlast]

ooo i know they bet on the fight, but never knew they do it during the fight

[@piwnica_aftona3703]

Could you make a film about traps in kickboxing ?

[@charkyicenhour587]

Super Lucky!!! 1FC!! PAYS. Stadiums of fighters!!

[@andersjohansson6458]

Isn't there a difference between art and ruleset?

[@jomutoify]

Actually Savate, french Kickboxing, is about 300 years old.

[@jomutoify]

Actually Savate, french Kickboxing, is about 300 years old now. So its centuries.

[@Ytterdahls]

Maybe specify what kind of kickboxing in the thumbnail and beginning if the video, at the very least? Good video nonetheless the less 👍 Wako kickboxing standard full contact does not have knees and low kicks. Only sweeps. They have started adding have their own low kick and k-1 competitions/tournaments lately, but the biggest discipline is still without knees, and it’s pretty damn big still in Europe and many places around the world. It just doesn’t get the same attention from mma fans, and that’s fair I guess.

[@kilogm748]

Cut down to the meat...if 2 identical twins took 5 years of full time MT& KB respectively, and then face each other allowing full freedom of their respective styles, who will win?

[@bso1469]

Luckily we had a lot of examples of top thai boxers going to fight kickboxing, look up superlek vs takeru, or the fights of petchpanmorung and superbon. All these guys have a very kick heavy thai style in kickboxing which helped them win major kickboxing belts.

[@bso1469]

In summary tho, the answer is that when an elite kickboxer and an elite thai fighter face each other, the outcomes are pretty even and probably depends on the day lol. Imo the best example of this is Superbon’s career so far. He got knocked out hard by Chingiz allazov, but before that he brutally KOd giorgio petrosyan and beat marat grigorian, both of whom beat allazov in the past.

[@kristianjensen5877]

To someone who's not very interested in the competitive side of the disciplines but just the basic gist of them, I do tend to explain Muay Thai as "It's like kickboxing, so punches and kicks, sometimes knees, but in Muay Thai you can also clinch and elbow". To someone interested in learning about the competitive formats of either discipline, it's more like "Bro, it's complicated, how much time have you got?".

[@charkyicenhour587]

Can you. Define.... how.. tk esxPe... not take... spinback kicks.

[@BLACKXDRAGON-nv2ic]

If elbow strikes were added to kickboxing, it would be the strongest martial art in the world, I am sure

[@zzzzzz69]

It's like a different gameplay

[@charkyicenhour587]

Thai for defensive style!!

[@BoxerKyokushin]

Clinch can easily counter using judo.

[@ancientdarkness3102]

Judo doesnt have strikes. Elbows are game changers at close quarters

[@BoxerKyokushin]

@@ancientdarkness3102 Original kyokushin has face punching and Judo.

[@ancientdarkness3102]

@@BoxerKyokushin original muay thai has wrestling and ground game. Original boxing has elbows and headbutts and clinch. Original judo has double leg takedown. Your point?

[@BoxerKyokushin]

@@ancientdarkness3102 Original kyokushin has face punching and Original kyokushin has Judo.

[@charkyicenhour587]

Not me.... cant be brainless.... n throw... repeating moves... from a Bone Strike.... knee or repeat elbows... repeat moves has noo sense.

[@muER76]

sumary: Thais point as they wish

[@BoxerKyokushin]

Original kyokushin knocked out Muay thai in the 60's, Dutch kickboxers like Ramon Dekker are knocking out Thai men since the 70's 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@markmessi9020]

Nice troll. Kyokushin took Muay Thai style round kicks and made it their own after The Thais spanked them. Better luck next time 😜

[@BoxerKyokushin]

​@@markmessi9020 you are Troll, Okinawan karate has round kicks since the ancient time, kyokushin has round kicks even before they fought and knocked out Thai men, stop lying, use goooogle 🤪🤪🤪

[@user-pd9ju5dk5s]

What are you talking about? Dekkers had a pretty bad record in Thailand. He was on roids and had a natural weight advantage and still lost to much more skilled Thai fighters 😂😂 Just watch Dekkers vs Jomhhod or Sangtiennoi for example. Cope

[@BoxerKyokushin]

​@@user-pd9ju5dk5sstill Ramon Dekkers knocked out a lot of Thai men

[@user-pd9ju5dk5s]

@@BoxerKyokushin Name them right now

[@BoxerKyokushin]

Original muay thai do Not know boxing, That's why Rick Roufus broke the Jaw of Changpuek and knocked out Changpuek 2 times by Punching Changpuek in the Face 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@user-pd9ju5dk5s]

Muay thai has produced more boxing champions than Dutck KB, which is just a copycat version of kyokushin+muay thai LOL

[@BoxerKyokushin]

@@user-pd9ju5dk5s still Ramon Dekkers knocked out a lot of Thai men LoL

[@user-pd9ju5dk5s]

@@BoxerKyokushin Name them right now. The fact ypur boy Dekkers got knocked out himself by naturally smaller fighters is more embarassing than naturally smaller Thais getting knocked by Dekkers

[@anawachtasavongnonta3231]

You know that Rick Roufus get multiple leg kicks until he can’t walk because at that time Muay Thai wasn’t really popular and many people around the world thought that skills in Muay Thai wasn’t a real deal so Rick didn’t train how to check kick in Muay Thai properly and get knocked out by multiple leg kicks from Changpeuk who is smaller than Rick by more than 10lbs.

[@anawachtasavongnonta3231]

@@BoxerKyokushinRamon was popular because at that time there were only a few foreign fighters who can have a competitive match against Thai fighters. Even Ramon need to adapt his Muay Thai skill to fight against Thai fighters at that time. At first Ramon only had good punch technique which isn’t enough to compete against Thai fighters who were more well-rounded skill. As time goes by, Ramon adapt a lot of Muay Thai technique like elbow, clinch skills so Ramon could compete against many great Thai fighters in that time.

[@teanmon9762]

Kickboxing. Is the copy cat ,,stolen from muaythai by osamu noguji..the japanese who came.. to Thailand in early70..After watching muay...thai..,he broke and try to make money..by bring muaythai back to Japan,..and started to promote in the name of. Kick boxing

[@nebojsabulatovic8899]

Not true, kick boxing emerged from mix of karate and boxing. Kicks where named like ones in karate.

[@JWMCMLXXX]

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on the ONE MT rules. Seems to make very exciting fights. Really been enjoying their promotion lately.

[@kubikiribasara3499]

Very interesting, coach. You gave me something to think about because when I train my Muay Thai it is punch heavy, and knee heavy.