Mud Test: Hi-Point Firearms C9

We mud test the direct blowback Hi-Point Firearms C-9.
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[@KJRUSS0]

Was anyone else hoping that it would make a flawless run just to read the flame war in the comments?

[@FlutterGuy121]

For future reference, The Glock 19 did worse at the mud test than the Hi Point.

[@blakerobin2678]

"they have a right to self deference like anyone else does" Thanks for not being classist Karl

[@chrisf247]

CORRUPTED BY THE FILTH Very metal, Karl.

[@FranzG1337]

Poor members of society have a right to self defense too, and also are the ones most likely to be involved in a self defense situation thanks to the neighbourhoods they live in, it's a good thing this budget guns exist !

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

"Corrupted by the Filth" Sounds like a high-school metal band.

[@Bimboysize15]

The Hi Point did much better than the Glock 19. When water was run through the Glock 19 it still failed to fire.

[@stevenlawson9460]

Love the fact that you said everyone can not afford name brand pistols but have a right to self defence good job sir

[@robertdobbs4156]

this is my glock 40 this my problem solver right here

[@gtaxmods]

The purple bullets paralyze ya.

[@teru797]

brace yo self foos!

[@springbloom5940]

+Hallowedpointdtp You dont know what youre talking about. The problem FBI had with the 10mm is that there were only two service grade pistols available that met the FBI standards(that didnt break and or rattle apart, in a few hundred rounds) and only one of those was available in sufficient numbers - the Colt Delta Elite, which cost nearly $1000 per gun, in the mid 80s. Thats why the FBI went to the 'FBI 10' and co-developed the .40 S&W, to be available in any of the common 9mm service weapons at comparable price. Furthermore, the .40S&W outperforms the 10mm by every practical metric.

[@williwonti]

You should remove the mag safety on one and see if it still chokes.

[@kainhall]

my hunters ed teacher told me to never trust a safety....because its a mechanical device, like a car, and can fail. so i learned hammer control and how to keep the action, chamber, or striker/hammer safe..... which involves reading the instructions and, at least for me, taking the gun (or whatever) apart and no one reads instructions anymore so..... remember when you got a rifle or a car, and it came with a book that told you how to fix it and where all the parts are/fit together? i member

[@GenScinmore]

*corrupted by the filth*

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

Will you be testing the “YEET CANNON”?

[@zendell37]

Thanks for giving this thing a fair chance, guys. Far too many people won't even give it that. Good job.

*_...that is the last time I loan you my ghetto blaster_*

[@retsaoter]

I stopped talking bad about Hi-point when IV8888 blew one up. I wouldnt buy one, but I wouldnt give anyone grief because they did.

[@sdlonyer]

I really appreciate your comments about folks who are on a budget. Thank you

[@brendanh8978]

good video, but I had to give it a thumbs down for incorrect camo. That camo is for Endor, and you are on Tatooine.

[@DMStraylight]

People love to rag on Hi-point (as I'm sure this comment section will demonstrate by morning), but there's a difference between "good" and "good enough", and Hi-points, by and large, are the latter. I'm strongly considering a C9 to serve in the "truck gun" role; a place where it's not likely to be needed and where SAWC is a non-factor. I have neither the desire nor the cash to, essentially, write off a G19 or M&P and wheelguns aren't my thing.

[@ebbelille]

A truck gun? As in, a gun that you would leave in your truck? O_O Jesus christ, man. I'm from Sweden, and my views on gun legislation would probably be considered pretty damn radical over here. But leaving a gun in your car, that CAN'T be legal. It SHOULDN'T. Please, tell me I am misenterpreting you here.

[@Sedan57Chevy]

Hi-Points do their job of being affordable firearms very well.

[@sulivanmagnum]

Truck guns are fine. There's places where high school kids show up with rifle racks in their pickup cabs. All about context.

[@IntroSpectre6x3]

@Edvard Lundgren Most people don't actually leave their "truck guns" in their truck 24/7. For the most part we agree with you that that's a terrible idea and a good way to become a target for theft. Generally, a truck gun is something a bit too big to carry concealed, so you would take it to your truck when you leave to go somewhere, and keep it in a quick reach (inside the pocket of a door is a common choice). Ideally, these gun owners would then lock the gun up when they go do whatever they're doing (such as in a locked toolbox in the bed of the truck), but I imagine a lot more people will simply leave their pistol in the cab of the truck while they go buy their Budweiser and Marlboro's. All that said, just leaving a gun in your truck 24/7 is mostly legal, so long as you aren't driving anywhere you wouldn't be allowed to have firearms. Some states have different laws on how guns in vehicles work, but as a general rule it is treated as a "concealed weapon" on the legal board and tends to follow the same rules.

[@bigfatassviking]

@DC Why do you think you would need a truck with a turret? In the year of 2016 there was 106 murders in Sweden. Some areas are more dangerous than other but in the City with most murders Malmö there was only 11 murders last year and most of them were gang shootings.

[@1026367]

Living in a country where law abiding citizens can't possess firearms, I really enjoy watching your videos.

[@whyme943]

Old video, but could you do a video covering some of these cheap, popular old-west guns that aren't as well known today?

[@sychocfj]

I'm poor and live in a shady neighborhood. Thank god for budget guns. Lol.

[@thebfsniper1869]

I'd like one of them in their next 2 gun match to run a "south side Chicago" load out with the hi-point carbine and pistol.

[@thinnedpaints6503]

Damn, the GLAWK FAWTAY can solve mud related problems too.

[@goodmaninastorm4617]

So first, I totally understand what Karl Ian have said in the past about not being able to test every conceivable gun. That being said, I would be very interested to see a mud test of the sig P226. I know the SEALs carried it for a long time because if it's over the beach capability and I wonder how that would carryover to the mud environment.

[@Baker_7498]

I thought the SEALs chose the Sig because it didn't fling the slide into the operators face like some of the early model Beretta 92s did. IIRC the Sig also beat the Beretta in the Army trials but didn't get the contract due to cost.

[@chitoryu12]

From what I remember, the slide problem was likely due to a mix-up resulting in overpowered ammo accidentally being sent to the SEALS, who ran the guns harder than anyone until they exploded. You are correct about the cost, though. Beretta especially could have cheaper magazines provided, so even though the SIG technically won out they went with the cheaper 2nd place option....and now it's getting replaced by a SIG.

[@Rosi_in_space]

Cost is sure a huge point, but I thought that Beretta had already a factory inside the USA , on the contrary to SigSauer. ?

[@DD-hz3ts]

The infamous CheckMate magazines weren't approved by Beretta and the TDP wasn't changed; the Army just decided to cheap out on them for cost reasons. Actual OEM Beretta magazines run just as well as SIGs because they're both made by Mec-Gar. > second place Actually they were tied in reliability/etc and even in the cost of the individual guns, the only difference was the cost of the support package. > now it's getting replaced by a SIG 20+ years isn't a bad run.

[@genocide865]

So The Glock a expensive gun did worse compared to a cheap one , Maybe looking at the Price isn't how you judge things .

[@TheAirBudd]

So all the recommended videos are color learning exercises for toddlers.

[@carsonrice2453]

Air Budd sane here, wtf!?

[@CocoTehQuila]

that's probably because Ian and Karl put tags such as "educational" to their videos. All the other "educational" videos don't have the same topic, though.

[@TheDeadfast]

Poor Hi-Point, even KZbin algorithms don't seem to think highly of their products!

[@AGS363]

I wounder if that works both ways? Mayby there are a few children introduced to firearms in that way.

[@tfwwhennofitlitgf3300]

The education tags are overwhelmed by kids' videos.

[@SamSung-mw6qt]

Awesome. Hi points are underrated. Sure, it won't handle mud well, but for everyday situations, it's a nice gun for the price

[@Balmung60]

Honestly, pretty much every time I've seen someone TRY to make a Hi-Point stop working, they seem to run remarkably well. Which I guess shows there's a difference between durability and reliability.

[@Antraeon]

Here are my observations and the corresponding opinions I have about this review: 1) Failure to go into battery is the most common hiccup you will have with Hi-Point firearms, whether they are dirty or not. This isn't so much of an issue with the gun as it is with the factory magazines, and you can often put the gun back into action by smacking the slide forward without having to chamber a new round. 2) The magazine disconnect is directly under the grip panel on the right side, and removing it is quick and easy and to do. Most people who own Hi-Point pistols and use them for carry guns (Yes, they can be carried concealed) will choose to remove the magazine disconnect. 3) 3:38 That wasn't a weird trigger pull, that was a hangfire. It was an issue with the primer on the round being fired, not with the pistol. With that being said, these pistols will run with anything you put through it, but the quality of your ammunition, not the firearm itself, is the main factor to consider when loading your magazine. I hope this post is helpful to anyone who is looking to purchase any Hi-Point firearms, since they are really excellent firearms for what they are.

[@Carbide195]

"Ah, the mag safety has been jammed on by mud" >" _corrupted by the filth_ " "Uhh, that too."

[@robertsistrunk6631]

Can I borrow your gun Yeah why I want to drop it in mud and see if it shoots 😯

[@nozzerjuice]

I would like to see Karl mudtested

[@ZAKW42]

@InRange, I can say that the mag disconnect does cause some trouble. I removed mine and it increased reliability in river mud and wash sand anyway.

[@jp_0]

I suggest testing a Glock 19c for checking the effect of the slide ports in the reliability, vs a regular g19. Nice video, like always.

[@tacticalgreengecko7369]

Who's here after the Glock review.

[@huey13player]

if you guys want to do a Kel tec sub 2k I'm in the area

[@MrLM002]

Revolver mud test? Perhaps an internal hammer vs external hammer revolver mud test. *Edit for those too lazy to read the replies: The test would be of everything cylinder back taking special care not to get any gunk in the barrel or the chambers like if you had to hit the deck in mud and your revolver was in its holster. This is more of a test of its lockup and if the external hammer will function.

[@ostiariusalpha]

No one with even a modicum of intelligence is going to do that. Revolvers are dangerous when they get mud on the cylinder face. To be absolutely clear, do not ever fire a revolver that has been dropped in thick mud! Always thoroughly clean the chambers before trying to fire the revolver if you do drop it in mud.

[@MrLM002]

ostiariusalpha I know it is quite dangerous to fire any firearm with a chamber and or barrel obstruction. However you could poor mud on everything besides the chamber to see what would fail.

[@ostiariusalpha]

MrLM002 Okay, so that would be simulating a sort of freak accident where the revolver falls into mud with the grip downwards, and only buries itself halfway, leaving the cylinder face and muzzle clear of debris. Seems like it would be a little weird and unrealistic, but perhaps interesting to try for S&Gs.

[@MrLM002]

+ostiariusalpha Or more likely you have your revolver in a holster like you do and you have to hit the deck and mud coats the exposed portion of the revolver.

[@TylerHulan]

lol I wouldn't try that if I were you.

[@jeffreytam7684]

Forward assist: also known as Karl bashing the back of the slide.

[@kcraig51]

It makes me like this channel even more that Karl didn't slam the pistol anyway. I own a Hi Point .45 and it works fine. Ergonomic? No. Like a brick with a grip. Still, for what you pay, in my experience, is a reliable gun.

[@ditto1958]

At last! The test everyone has been waiting for. People should not be so dismissive of these guns.

[@geGNOME]

In my area, a lot of people can really only afford a hi point. They do not sit on the shelf very long. So I kinda get sick of people ragging on them. As far as cheap guns go, you can do worse. Someone in a previous comment recommended buying a tokarev. Come on, dude. The people buying hipoints as their primary means of self defense are not gun people. They don't know that the fuck a tokarev is and they aren't going to be able to find ammo for it. They're gonna be buying their stuff at Walmart and Walmart doesn't carry 762 tok. The high point is an available gun in an available caliber for people with not a lot of money. It's not the picture of reliability, but it's good enough if it's all you can get.

[@paulwhite959]

I'll generally steer people that want a gun for protection but don't intend to carry it to a Maverick 88 or similar (in my area they're within 10 or 15 bucks of a hi point)...but I really don't get when people try to steer folks on a budget to mil surp these days at all. Back when you could buy a tokarev at any random LGS or pawnshop for 150 bucks, sure! But yeah, these days they're the same price as something like an SDVE or similar cheapish modern polymer gun. I think a lot of people that do that just haven't priced out mil surp handguns lately

[@gromann]

TShirtCannon God... If I could find ppu or s&b tok ammo at Wal-Mart...

[@PassiveDestroyer]

One would say it's a good enough choice for the masses. Like an older Honda Civic or Toyota Camry, it'll get you wherever, but it's not the best car around.

[@Porty1119]

paulwhite959 A pump shotgun should be your first choice of defensive firearm if you don't intend to carry it, I agree!!

[@mr_fnh]

TShirtCannon I disagree. Hi-Point firearms are total garbage. I had one break within the two hundred round brake in period. More like a 200 round brake period. You can buy a S&W M&P Bodyguard 380 for the same price. $169 on Palmetto State Armory website after mail in rebate. Shop around online & you'll see far better pistols out there then Hi-Point at close to the same price. Name something worse then Hi-Point?

[@rex101898]

Has there been a case of a magazine safety ever saving anybody's life?

[@DizzyMan24]

Would love to see a B.A.R and a Desert Eagle be mudded up.

[@MrSmith336]

Whew thank goodness Karl and Ian. I was worried I was going to have to sell all my non-High Point handguns and swap them all out for C-9s

[@eisenkrieg553]

Yes, you totally "borrowed" that gun from a friend. It's okay, we won't rail on you for owning shame.

[@supersexyfatguy]

On a positive note, the magazine disconnect is stupidly simple to remove, it's just a bar of stamped metal under the grip.

[@Michael_Smith-Red_No.5]

Yup. It's like a 30 second procedure.

[@robertcaposio7800]

this is the only good that ever came from "borrowing a hi point!"

[@morgs456]

"They have a right to self defence " Sat here not sure if I should laugh or cry in British

[@StAlchemyst]

Hi-Point the Bic lighter of firearms. Doesn't matter if it's a piece of crap, you know that before you buy it. Where else are you going to get "barely good enough/just decent" protection for less than $200?

[@brianbasic1133]

You should remove the mag safety and test it again.

[@lumbyman]

Why do I have a bunch of learning videos for kids recommended on this video? Love the channel, keep it up!

[@mojavedesert8723]

I have never clicked on a mud test video so fast before.

[@couchninjawarriors6072]

I think covering it in mud actually enhanced the look.

[@maxjones503]

'I'll just shoot it for a demo.' *Hi-Point Jams* 'Wait I haven't even put it in the mud yet.'

[@hannibalburgers477]

just wait till u see glock. What a joke that was

[@Mjk10957]

Done better than the clock 19 a lot better they couldn't even get the glock running when they tried cleaning it

[@reedykilowat]

Was there ever a mud test on the P-38.

[@jamescole8049]

Demo ranch couldn’t break one either.... twice... I liked how pointed out just because you can’t drop 400 on a gun doesn’t mean you’re not entitled to self defense

[@metamorphicorder]

He did manage to destroy a couple on a later barrel obstruction test. But it is really impressive that they will stand up to what they stand up to.

[@GiuseppeSimonetti]

Well for a gun you can buy used for $100......

[@JamesFBack]

i didnt watch this video for the mud test, i watched this video for this ugly gun to get mud on it >:D

[@Bryce70]

Aw, was kinda hoping she'd pull through

[@Ekib-Niatnuom]

Since y'all run two gun matches so much it'd be nice to see Carl use the high point and a less expensive (aka cheap) rifle in a match to see how well those weapons would hold up to those scenarios. Whaddya say Carl? Up for the challenge?

[@gromann]

Todd C Remington 777

[@socratesjohnson980]

Obviously it wasn't working because you weren't holding it properly! You MUST turn it 90° to the left and aim down the sights sideways, obviously

[@exploatores]

So saturday night special and mud don´t work together :)

[@BrokeBoy912]

remove the magazine disconnect and do it again.

[@MidnightSvn]

If I get a handgun, it'll probably be this. Later on when I have more money, a glock. I actually like the way hi-points look too.

[@akuma_no_zetto]

InRangeTV Hey, since I know another pistol that DOES have a mag safety, I would like to see the Browning HI-Power in the mud test, just to see if the mud would affect that pistol the same way even though the safety is probably made a little differently...

[@TheTeeWorldsfreak]

we need a Nambu type 14 & 94 mudtest

[@kylerott]

Next test...Ian's Beretta 92s.

[@JingleHellTV]

147gr probably better anyways. The usual process people go through. 1: Buy blowback operated pistol with heavy slide and spring intended for serious defense loads. 2: Stick featherweight plinking ammo in it. 3: Fail to recognize concepts of "physics" or "operator error". 4: Malign gun widely on internet. (Yes, yes, the magazines suck too, but that's an ENTIRELY different category of failures.) It's hilarious that a gun culture that idolizes the AK has a problem with the Hi-Point.

[@steved.]

Shoot well with a Hi-Point; Shoot great with a Glock 34 MOS. Shoot well with a Phoenix HP22A; Shoot great with a Ruger Mk III. When I started playing pool I played with the equivalent of a broomstick, and now I'll smoke most people with any house que. I'll beat most people with a bar stool. Wanna be good? Practice will never replace how much money you can spend. How bow dat?

[@zhekakorobko]

Make reliability test between modern AR-18 rifles (SCAR, ACR,XCR, G36, AR-180B, etc)

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

I owned one of these a few years ago when I was moving out to a very sketchy situation and I just needed a hunk of metal that spat smaller hunks of metal where I pointed it. I have had so many people tell me "It was dumb, you could have just bought a used X pistol for the same amount of money!" No, I couldn't have. I looked. There are two _huge_ problems with the "just buy a nicer used gun" argument: 1) The used market is not reliable. You have to wait for whatever model it is that Mr. Gun Snob is screaming about to actually become available. "The gun/ pawn shops near me have X on sale used for $150 _all_ the time! You're just being lazy/ stupid!" is a stupid fucking argument, because I almost certainly do not live near the same gun shops as you do, and worse than that I probably live in a different state than you where the gun market is going to be _wildly_ different due to differences in laws and what the local market is like. ALSO, when I bought mine was during one of those gun control scares when everyone was hoarding all of the 9mm ammo and guns, so the used market was especially atrocious because nobody was selling when I needed to buy. 2) You're expecting someone who _almost certainly_ doesn't know _shit_ about guns to go out and inspect the condition of a used firearm and make an educated and safe decision. There are a lot of shitty people out there who see someone who only has $150 as someone they can safely rip off because they won't have the resources to come after them later. And even if they're not _intentionally_ trying to fuck someone over, especially when buying from some place like a pawn shop or a classified ad, it might just be that the person selling the gun doesn't know any more about what they're selling than you do. The gun might be in terrible condition. It might be unreliable, or it might not function at all, or, in the worst case: *_the gun might be unsafe to fire and could cause serious injury if you attempt to do so, which would be especially dangerous in a high-tension, life-or-death situation._* If you're in a position where you are looking to buy something like a Hi-Point, you are probably someone who does not know much about guns. You were probably not raised in a family where guns play a big roll, because otherwise it's pretty likely that you would either already have a gun that you were gifted or inherited over the years, or else you would know enough other gun folks to ask around for someone who's willing to let something go for a good price. No, you are buying a Hi-Point because you do not own a gun, already, and you do not know anyone who can help you out. A Hi-Point may not be the nicest gun, and you _could_ probably get something nicer on the used market if you have the know-how and/ or the time to research everything you need to know to make an informed decision. But that's asking a lot from a layperson. For $150 (or whatever it is, these days) you may be giving up looks, longevity, ergonomics, resale value, and quality that you _may_ be able to find in something else on the used market _if you know what you're doing and the used market is good at the time,_ and I don't think that anyone who has bought a Hi-Point will even attempt to argue against any of these points. However, what you get in exchange for compromising on these things is stable pricing and availability, and *_extremely valuable peace of mind from knowing that the gun is, at least, in brand-new condition, functional, and safe to operate._*

[@jongreenshields2815]

Honestly it probably works better than the g19 because it's a stupid simple design. They just took a blowback design and because a blowback can't handle .45 or 9mm when it's a slender design like a 1911 or similar, they added a huge weight in the form of a chunk of steel on it. When the gun itself doesn't lock, there's no grit to keep the lock from disengaging. Honestly a good idea it just makes the gun heavy and have bad ergonomics. But hey a $130 for a handgun is nice when you can barely make it paycheck to paycheck and are only able to save so much per week. Save $25 a week and you'll have a gun for defense in 5 weeks time rather than 12-20 for a name brand gun

[@Hawk1966]

The Hi-Point is cheap, sure. It's not glamorous or. .. I can't say it's not well made it's economically made. Big chonkers slide, icky trigger. But first case, self defense. Which gun do you want the police collecting while they do their investigation? Do you want to give up your $900 Sig or your $150 Hi-Point? You could have six, SIX Hi-Points stashed in all corners of your house (if you don't have kids) for the price of one really good weapon. Has anyone else seen the torture Demolition Ranch has done to the Hi-Point? It's incredible what they can withstand.

[@simonbachmann5635]

Sub 200 dollars... XD In switzerland we get surplus k31s for about sub 200 (they can be above)

[@soulman4292]

Cheap doesn’t always mean crap. It’s like Karl said, a lot of guys running around in the old west were using whatever they could afford, and plenty of them came out of it alive. Just because you are poor, or even just not a member of the middle class, does not mean that you shouldn’t exercise your rights to defend yourself, your family, or your property. Arm yourself, and get to know your neighbors as well as you feel comfortable doing so. As an anecdote, A very good friend of mine who is fairly wealthy today, Uses a C-9 as his personal carry because it’s what he is used to, feels comfortable with, and it saved his life when he wasn’t all that well off, and some punks jumped out of his closet with half full paint cans trying to cave his skull in for his shoes, and his TV. He survived, and those bastards got to spend six months in the hospital ward of our local county jail learning how to walk into a court room, instead of being wheeled in. Hi-Points are a tool like any other, and as my father always said “a cheap hammer will still pound in a nail son.”

[@defensemen16]

Liked the video before watching. I've waited so long for this

[@ramsinc5521]

It is what it is man it's a in case I need something right now and I'm broke... you can pick them up all day long at the pawn shop for 100bucks. and they'll work.. now if you have two hundred bucks go get the Taurus g2c and that's all the gun You'll Ever Need that thing is fantastic I prefer that to any Glock and a lot of other $600 guns

[@seantierney3]

Could you do a mud test with a Swiss K31 or Steyr M95? I am curious how the straight pull rifles handle mud compared to the turn bolts.

[@jacobstaten2366]

I'd be more likely to buy a HiPoint if they fix a few things; make the frame a little toller so I don't feel like the slide will cut me, a smaller slide, takes double stacked Glock mags, no mag safety. Demolition Ranch did a test with a bunch of barrel obstructions. Some surprising stuff went through without a hitch.

[@jacobhobbs6918]

it doesn't surprise me that rinsing it off worked. those hipoints have very loose tolerances and kind of rattle even brand new. only things that I don't enjoy with the c9 or any of them really is that you can't shoot cheap ammo, certainly not blazer fmj's, I can never get them to cycle reliably. don't care much about ergonomics with a $180 pistol

[@mzjango]

I think Demo Ranch's recent Hi-point barrel obstruction video proves that the ear plug in the barrel really wasn't necessary :P

[@emiliovalero995]

My Taurus PT-25 had a Magazine disconnect saftey but I completely removed it. Because the PT-25 has no extractor or ejector if you fire it without the magazine there is no upward force making the empty brass clear the slide so it stovepipes every time you fire it without the magazine. That being said if I have no magazine and a chambered round I could really care less if the weapon jams after I fire the only round I have. I usuall guu disable most saftey in my guns, I believe that saftey often lead to complacency and therefore accidents. Your brain should be the only saftey you ever need and if you follow the basic rules of gun saftey and add a little common sense then you should never have an accidental discharge. When I say that you need to add a little common sense in talking about saftey concerns that don't have to do with the rules of firearm saftey. Pocket carry is one of the largest reasons for accidental discharge that I usually see. If you wish to carry a pocket gun then there are 2 things I recommend 1st is to use a pocket holster, do whatever you can to cover the trigger and the 2nd thing I recommend is to always keep your gun pocket empty of anything else. I have seen friends who had their weapon go off when their keychain got around the trigger and they tried to pull their keys out, then the gun fired.

[@onalert413]

I don't disagree that everyone, regardless of financial ability, has a right to self-defense, but there has to be a better sub-$200 option than a Hi Point.

[@scumroyalsgaming]

To be fair and unbiased. If you drop any handgun in that kind of mud, it will fail. Hi Points are not the most astetic or most userfriendly guns. But they are worth the damn $200.

[@Kombereloni]

Has the stars aligned and time has come? For the YEET Cannon test?

[@larryjohnson150]

Why I will never buy S&W semi auto pistols, the mag safety idea is honestly more unsafe and far more annoying than any Glock or Springfield it has nothing to do with the mud test just that stupid "safety" feature.

[@avand18]

What the heck is he wearing? I know it's ATACS-FG pattern, but a parka of some sort? From where?

[@JinKee]

If only the HiPoint Carbine had tool free disassembly and no mag safety, and it would be perfect.

[@BIGBOSS9545]

So far I have not, key words so far, I have not encountered anyone who likes mag safety. To me, I think they're pointless and add a little bit more complexity to the gun, just a bit more, not a lot

[@damnoldguy]

Would be cool if you could get one that you could disable the mag safety and try again

[@briarus1000]

sooo... how do you make a cheap as dirt simple blowback pistol less reliable? add a magazine safety. time to see how it performs with mag safety removed!... or not it's a hipoint after all

[@jamesR1990]

People misunderstand what the Hi-Point was designed for. It's a premium construction material to be used in the place of standard bricks. But it can double as a self defense tool

[@jamesrandall9821]

I agree, every single person has a right to self defense, every American citizen should be issued a firearm voucher with there social security number. I'm dead serious too

[@constantine2197]

would be better to just save a touch longer and get a CanikSF. But the Hi-Point is cheaper for sure.

[@leepalmer1210]

You know what, a five second rinse to get a firearm functioning again is a pass in my book. A malfunction where you have to disassemble and strip the thing to get it working again is a true failure.

[@axelyoung1551]

Wonder if the same thing would happen with other pistols with mag safeties? Five Seven and Hi-Power comes to mind

[@jittychitty]

Fugly and heavy, but for the money, they really aren't too bad of a gun. One of the top gangster/crime guns out there. Great truck gun or something that you won't get too pissed of about, if it gets stolen, rusty or beat up.

[@CodyBrandt580]

Considering that a failure like that, in a self defense situation, would make me piss myself, I find it convenient that pissing on the gun itself would fix it.

[@bmsj]

The good thing with those handguns is that the magazine safety can easily be removed. There's a bar behind the panel of the grip that easily comes out when you pull it. I'd like to see this year redone without that magazine safety.