Mulan (2020) is a Trainwreck

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Disney Plus released the new Mulan (2020) recently, so I decided to check out the new remake. While I liked it more than The Lion King...it's pretty bad. I get into it here.
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[@captainmidnight]

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[@thejetttrek4025]

dam bro we early in the bih

[@wisdommanari6701]

I remember that Mulan doll commercial lmao

[@MostlyPennyCat]

I don't like the idea of any of these Disney remakes. But what I actually came here to say is, everybody also watch Accented Cinema's take on Mulan (still bad) on how it fails at empowerment. I found his take stunning and eye opening. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJTGeGCtqdlofKM

[@trinaq]

I think they're alright, but they often come across as the company relying on nostalgia, and not coming up with more original ideas. 😔

[@Shift_Salt]

*Inhales* Bad.

[@madnawi]

If you're like Mulan, born with extraordinary gift and talent, you'll rise through the ranks, become a hero and serve your government with utmost loyalty. But if you're like Mulan's sister, very ordinary with no outstanding traits, you best be adhering to the norm and be married off to some unknown man. that's some really good examples for the younger girls, huh Disney?

[@jocax188723]

Happily endorsed by the CCP!

[@gremlinfifty2308]

scary how censorship makes Billion dollar companies bend over

[@AFlyingCookieLOL]

@@jocax188723 And you are endorsed by stupidity.

[@KomboAndy]

in China... absolutly.

[@gremlinfifty2308]

@dadon She says shes been matched meaning shes happy someone took her as a bride. There was no freedom involved which I think was mulan's (the animated) greatest message. Edit: I mistyped

[@ocarinaplaya]

It's cathartic to see a movie Disney made to pander to China get panned by the Chinese.

[@zegzbrutal]

Well.... Most Chinese never wanted/care much about a remake. Most knew Westerners influences on the film will screw up something. They just never know it is all of it got screwed.

[@Towkeeyoh]

It’s like trusting the BBC to make Egg Fried Rice.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Let’s blame America corporate the most they had a choice and they been the knee when they could’ve said no maybe censorthe Chinese version like they done for year but no instead with the more artistic freedom what we have in the west heck Japan gave the most accurate Viking in Vinland Saga the second problem is Disney and Disney is not going to allow Mulan to be made in way that will benefit it

[@ocarinaplaya]

@@USSAnimeNCC- I have no idea what you're trying to say, but you reminded me that I've been meaning to watch Vinland Saga. So some value was there.

[@garvjain5426]

@@ocarinaplaya Vinland sage is FANTASTIC must watch

[@imaadshahrukh4829]

This movie is like a fortune cookie. It looks Chinese, but is actually American.

[@Maurice_Moss]

Which is why they're hollow, full of lies, and leave a bad taste in the mouth.

[@nexusyeen1481]

That's actually a good way of putting it.

[@Maurice_Moss]

@@jellyfishi_ lol I was quoting the mandarin in iron man 3

[@imaadshahrukh4829]

@@Maurice_Moss It was a great quote. Shame the movie and the character were terrible wastes.

[@huyifan83]

Excactly. Like, Panda Express doesn't taste like Chinese at all

[@duchi882]

*There is no Mulan 2020 Movie in Ba Sing Se* _Here we are safe, here we are free_

[@wontletgo]

Toph: This movie is so bad and I can't even see!

[@emperorsupra5336]

@@wontletgo Wait

[@duckpixels]

Lol Avatar references to a bad movie? There is no live-action avatar movie in Ba Sing Se

[@cmarley314]

@@wontletgo *I've seen enough of _, and I can even see!

[@chipwatford7676]

There is no genocide in Xinjiang. /s

[@Jazminemedia]

i havent watched mulan but u better bet i will watch every youtuber review it

[@jfmedits1577]

something cathartic watching people tear these disney remakes to shreds

[@Jazminemedia]

@@jfmedits1577 the truth

[@lorettabes4553]

Same

[@andrea7239]

same

[@kenthehobo]

Damn right!

[@CondemnedInformer]

Why would they change Mulan INTO a Marry Sue? She's the most badass Disney princess and doesn't need 'Chi' to do that, as the story progresses she learns and grow and BECOMES powerful.

[@Pomagranite167]

And not even that. She goes to the army and learns to do well to bring honour to her family and to protect her father. In this version, she was already born with honour, and she can already protect anything and anyone because she's mAgIcAL. There was no reward here. No stakes. In the animated movie, it was an actual life or death situation, being either her father goes to battle and dies, she goes to battle and dies, or she goes to battle learns to do well in order to successfully serve her country and protect her family. 🙄 havent watched any of the disney remakes, and i'm not planning on it either 😑

[@jabby6709]

Mulan is honestly one of my favorite Disney princesses (besides Tiana) since she's not considered a "perfect flawless girl" from the start. she has to actually work hard to get the title of a warrior, which makes her more relatable to everyone. then Disney fucked all that up :/

[@slevinchannel7589]

Coming of Age made in Real Life is a God that just doesnt wants to win and then, when the God wants to win, she wins? Ok. Sure. Yeah. God, this Movie is SO SIMILAR to The Last Airbender Movie. They both Insult the Source Material HARD.

[@Horvath_Gabor]

Yeah, the character didn't really grow, did she? She was strong to begin with, then she apparently got weaker by dressing as a man because it messed up her chi (and even so, she was still stronger and better than 99% of the men in the army), then she took off her disguise, at which point she went back to her baseline strength and beat up everyone. Compare that to the original Mulan, who started out as quick-witted but weaker than the men in the army, but by diligent work, she became as good, if not better than most of them, and yet at the end of the movie it wasn't her strength and military training that saves the day, but her quick thinking. One story says, "If you work hard, you can fix your weaknesses while retaining your strengths, allowing you to gain recognition even if societal norms usually wouldn't allow it", the other story says "You are born special and better than everyone else from the get go, so you have no weaknesses. You go girl!" One leads to a memorable and relatable character, the other is the mold from which Mary Sues emerge.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@Horvath_Gabor Yeah. It's literally that in this movie, sexism win. I mean, it's clearly defines that no other woman can do what Super-Mulan here can. So the sexist, supressive system was right, wasnt it? Cause no one can ever replicate what Mulan did. She's just a Godly figure. No one can repeat her feats, that's clearly defined. SHES DEFINED AS THE EXCEPTION, so yeah, the Sexists were right about woman, apparently? Your born special or you're born male, there is no other option. If you're born female but not super-special, you're a nothing. Says this movie. Doctor Who actually says something surprisingly similar. It's also about being chosen - Decisions never matter... wanting to be good does not matter.

[@BenjiM514]

Taking out Mushu is bad enough, but replacing him with a useless bird that did absolutely nothing is beyond terrible

[@drakofox1362]

There was a Phoenix? I didn't see it what did it do?

[@hailghidorah2536]

@@drakofox1362 fly?

[@zaranthropy]

@Kristopher Prime it exists to be a glorified paper mache puppet They can't even decide on what mythology they wanna use, they reference Chinese and Egyptian mythologies in the same film tlol

[@iankillingsley6486]

It’s a Pokémon

[@slevinchannel7589]

This Movie is The Last Airbender Movie Levels of Trash. It's impressively bad. Just like Last Airbender Movie, it's simply an Insult to the source material. Literally.

[@maloo538]

I feel like disney treats it’s audience like idiots.

[@eddardstark6554]

Welcome to the Star Wars community.

[@Shythalia]

They just want money. They don't even care anymore. lol

[@forrestgumball]

Need that China money

[@eddardstark6554]

Shythalia funny thing is, they’d make so much more money if they “pandered” to normal people and made quality content, storytelling, and character development.

[@cartergirl3of3]

People ARE idiots. They continue to give Disney their money and reward bad behavior.

[@JessieBanana]

I also don’t understand how they can lose the central “girl power” element of the movie. You can’t say a woman can be more than be a pretty face and stand on her own, but then undercut it by implying you basically need to be magical for it to work, you’re really reinforcing that it’s not possible. It’s like them misunderstanding feminism in the context of a super hero movie, vs being an empowered strong woman IRL 🤦🏾‍♀️.

[@jonahruiz4101]

Don’t be mistaken, this movie isn’t for feminism or equality. It’s for cold hard cash.

[@JessieBanana]

Jonah Ruiz I’m not saying it isn’t for cold hard cash. You don’t think people profit off of social activism? I’m saying what made the Disney movie so special and impactful (aka lucrative) was that message. To just throw it away for no real reason, makes zero sense. It’s not like there wasn’t going to be sufficient time for special effects and stunts if they had just made her a normal warrior.

[@GeminiWriter88]

Most Hollywood writers are hacks. Maybe the producers and suits are to blame but who who knows

[@jonahruiz4101]

​@@JessieBanana Apparently they didn't think a good message was necessary. The message was lost in Disney's attempt to gain a strong viewer base in China.

[@demi-femme4821]

Mulan is extremely competent in the original, but her skill feels more grounded because of the training, and -more importantly-everyone else's improvements. Mulan is the most competent member of the main cast, but the other members of the squad are pretty good, too.

[@TheDukeOfZill]

Disney: We want Mulan to be as historically accurate as possible. So here's this giant enemy crab...

[@sonsbury9855]

Lol

[@andygum1996]

This movie is literally being attacked in mainland China for being very historically inaccurate lol

[@louisp8081]

And you attack it's weak points for massive damage 😉

[@kichumiao1333]

Andy Gum historically accurate is understatement. This is a bloody joke

[@rashakor]

Tamatoa would have been a plus here!

[@phillipasoocinnamonroll4812]

I refuse to watch any of the remakes because I don’t want to support Disneys unoriginal, awful and lazy attempts to make money, but I will watch KZbin videos on how bad they are.

[@merenwen4495]

Same! I like to gloat 😆

[@eribulusan3771]

You can always pirate them. 😏😏😏

[@diva23luv]

Good call

[@slevinchannel7589]

Coming of Age made in Real Life is a God that just doesnt wants to win and then, when the God wants to win, she wins? Ok. Sure. Yeah. God, this Movie is SO SIMILAR to The Last Airbender Movie. They both Insult the Source Material HARD.

[@Nameless-fp4dx]

okay but was it just me who liked the live action version of Cinderella? I thought it was pretty decent...

[@DanteTheSimpSlayer]

disney to women: its either magic or you are nothing... and since magic doesn't exist... nice message, disney 🤦‍♂️

[@jalk12]

Modern feminism in a nutshell

[@reidhanson4755]

There was a time I though maybe the feminists were right. and in some ways they are. Women deserve the same as men. But modern day feminism seems to spend most of its time making women seem ridiculous. Mary Sues everywhere. Once strong female leads become... Mulan. I still think women deserve equality with men but I also think populist modern feminism needs to die because its so toxic and hateful and worst of all doesn't understand how stories work.

[@DanteTheSimpSlayer]

@@reidhanson4755 yes, equality under the law. that's all - for all. everything else is not deserved - its earned.

[@QuikVidGuy]

@@reidhanson4755 okay so you just straight-up don't know what feminism is, this is like someone calling taxes Marxist

[@fbi8801]

@@QuikVidGuy then what is it explain

[@decapulet]

The lack of facial expressions of Mulan is so annoying to me..

[@myes344]

Asians can't act. The only way to film her is to pull the no emotion face

[@myes344]

That and they should never made this movie

[@MelodyLovelace]

@@myes344 Yikes, racist much?

[@alexbennet4195]

M Yes: you didn’t have to be racist

[@TeaCat0]

The actress can't really act, look it up you can find multiple references on how terrible she acts

[@somerandolad]

When an animated movie with a talking dragon (voiced by Eddie Murphy) is more historically accurate.

[@iamchristian1129]

Not exactly, they had so many racial stereotypes on that version, it didn’t do well in china

[@thegloriousstrategist877]

It's a tale, like King Arthur, for China.

[@paulakroy2635]

No it’s really not

[@masonshipton2344]

@@iamchristian1129 I mean, the remake isn't doing well in China any way so...

[@masonshipton2344]

@ULGROTHA that's unlikely. Remember Alice in Wonderland: Through the Looking Glass? That bombed horribly, yet Disney still made more of these God awful films.

[@u235u235u235]

plot twist: Mulan doesn't age and joins the post Avengers End Game cast.

[@lhave4752]

That's just Ming Na Wen

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

She could probubly do more than Black Widow.

[@m.n.6904]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi bro she literally sacrificed herself to save half of the universe

[@SwordArtX]

Hilarious 😂

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@m.n.6904 I mean from a fighting perspective. I'm not trying to disrespect Black Widow, but Mulan is busted in this movie. She basically has superpowers in this film.

[@parapendejadas4913]

Old lady: What is your name young lady? Mulan: Mulan.... Old lady: Mulan who? Mulan: Mulan Skywalker Old lady: WTF?....

[@slevinchannel7589]

Coming of Age made in Real Life is a God that just doesnt wants to win and then, when the God wants to win, she wins? Ok. Sure. Yeah. God, this Movie is SO SIMILAR to The Last Airbender Movie. They both Insult the Source Material HARD.

[@EnchantedStardust]

Or Mulan Palpatine 🤣 But on serious notes, this is my opinion but this Mulan makes Rey look like a great character lol

[@ftsataros25]

Mulan and Rey are distantly related I guess lol

[@cooperross9495]

Right, because Rey can never be a Skywalker, because adopted children don't exist and everyone MUST be defined by their biological family rather than who they are as a person.

[@g.d.graham2446]

Lol no kidding

[@miaferrari958]

Disney to Mulan: "Somehow I'll Make a mess Out of youuuuu"

[@endarasman]

you made me sing your comment.

[@Zejoant]

The best comment ever.

[@kelly3014]

🤣

[@ebraambastawros7421]

XD

[@kerrychristensen7204]

👏😔

[@Spud1189]

I honestly forgot these remakes were a thing until I started seeing KZbin videos talking about this movie.

[@Victor-qx3vx]

Same.

[@lambdaweaponscache5394]

Foolish elite! Our ships outnumber you three to one!

[@Spud1189]

Craig Then it is an even fight

[@NormanWasHere452]

Remakes seem to be the new thing, video games and film

[@stjosh1199]

Lucky. I was spammed by ads for Mulan 2020

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

This movie feels like that butterfly meme. _Is this feminism?_

[@br12_]

LMAO

[@i8mju7aq1w2e3sw2o9mj]

🤣🤣🤣

[@marshmallowvampire8503]

😄😄😄

[@snowleopard064]

Hello there

[@jacobmonks3722]

This film is an insult to feminism.

[@orgANGmo]

"Just feels totally empty", that pretty much describes every Disney remake.

[@poopoo-dk4hu]

I liked will smith

[@sayamauya7349]

i like will smith (2)

[@juwu7072]

Except Cinderella

[@orgANGmo]

@@juwu7072 God no. Cinderella was just horrible, with the narrator tellingnis every feeling

[@juwu7072]

@@orgANGmo I am not saying it was top notch but at least not horrible, it deserves credit for a few things

[@QarthCEO]

The thing is, in their attempt to make this movie more "woke" they ruined the positive female protagonist. In the original, Mulan was a normal girl who was being true to herself and by sheer determination and smarts, she prevails and saves China. In the remake, Mulan is not a normal girl, she was born with supernatural powers. So it wasn't what she chose to be, it was who she was born to me. This RUINS the positive message to children everywhere, but more especially the girls. The original: "Girls, you can be just as good as the boys if you try hard and use your head!" The Remake: "Girls, you can only be as good as the boys if you're magic!"

[@iamchristian1129]

Well actually, in the original Chinese ballad, Mulan already knew how to fight, and was taught martial arts, sword fighting, and archery, thanks to her father and she didn't really need to be trained before being recruited in the war Also one of the things that Disney got wrong with both of the animated and live-action, is that it didn't take weeks/months for her to fight in the army, It was for 12 years

[@aegeon5650]

Christian Salgado bro it was a G rated Disney princess movie. Obviously they had to take some Levities

[@InquisitorThomas]

Christian Salgado true but presumably Mulan wasn’t born super human and all her skill comes from Training. Typically I tend to dismiss complaints of characters being Mary Sues, I actually defend Rey from the Star Wars Trilogy quite a bit, but I feel this is a really bad example of Sueness.

[@InquisitorThomas]

Ryanator you wish Rey was this much of a Mary Sue.

[@QarthCEO]

@@iamchristian1129 We don't give a shit about the Chinese story, we are comparing the 1998 movie called Mulan to the 2020 remake of the same name. Try to keep up with the conversation.

[@theoxyscape7057]

When "Wendy Wu:Homecoming Warrior" is a better live action Mulan than this one.

[@Shift_Salt]

😂

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

Lol

[@marisp2588]

Wendy Wu is amazing 😍

[@demonking-zm3rs]

Not really but I get it ... Internet points

[@brunolinares604]

Wendy Wu reminds me more of Jake Long and Juniper Lee, with the concept of teenagers being chosen ones from chinese dinasties, but they hate how much it affects their lives. But I'm glad to see it's getting more recognition.

[@geraldinec1124]

What annoys me the most of this movie is the fact that they had to make her the ‘chosen one’ trait. I felt that it took away most of the significance put into why people loved Mulan in the first place (especially girls like me). She was a regular girl who has flaws, living with her family that she loves so much. And even though she lived in an era where honour was really important, It did not stop her from becoming a warrior that everyone respected. Mulan knew she’s a girl, she knew that her flaws are evidence of disappointing her family, she even beats herself about it through song! Knowing that, in the end, she still went out to save her father, she also went out to find and prove her worth in herself that hopefully would make her family proud, training day and night if she had to. Someone may beat you down, but your worst enemy is yourself and you have to overcome that, no one else. Now tell me how more realistic and relatable is someone who live-action, is the chosen one? What are you telling me, Disney? Reality-check were humans (unlike someone who has spidey-sense), we don't got Mulan's chi, even the trilogy of Kung fu Panda understood that! we're not dumb. So don't go patronizing us

[@2Ten1Ryu]

I second that!! Well spoken!

[@nyltiac169]

Chi isnt magic its like a spiritual thing in girls and boys. Think of it as blood, all humans have it. The directors did an awful job explaining it. I hate that the movie now shows "you have to be the the chosen one" like come on one of the reasons I enjoyed the original mulan so much is the fact that the plot explained that you dont need super natural powers or to be born strong to get where you want to be. Ugh.

[@mkmercurio1]

I think that Maleficent was probably one of the best live action remake’s because it changed the storyline into something new without taking out all of the fun elements and added a lot of great elements too.

[@Johatesyou]

Honestly maleficent and Aladdin were the only ones I enjoyed but the others are so bad .

[@vingvingduy1779]

@@vjbd2757 didnt get engaged into the jungle Book Remake, wasnt fun and interesting as the old one, but that`s just my opinion

[@davidclark8877]

Maleficent is well produced AU fanfiction.

[@natalieybarra5207]

I respectfully disagree.

[@Rainjojo]

The Cinderella live action was also good most keep forgetting

[@brianvaira486]

A darker version of hunchback of Notre Dame might be interesting, but Disney would probably mess that up too

[@jaustengirl441]

Disney doesn’t have the stones but also I bet they would end up making the original novel look progressive by comparison.

[@yuri2604]

Don’t give them ideas...

[@youtubeuser5808]

The hunchback of Notre-Dame was already dark no need to make it darker Disney can't handle those.

[@aurea.]

Disney wouldn't dare. The animated version is already dark as it is. I don't see Disney making a darker live-action movie out of it unless it'd be specifically aimed at an older audience, which isn't the company's thing. And even then, I'd have little confidence in its writers.

[@brianvaira486]

Martha G. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5y1oqGmm5aNfZo there is a stage musical adaptation of Hunchback that’s a little darker and quite good. If they ever were to make a Live action hunchback, I’d hope they would make it like this and use this cast

[@jonahruiz4101]

Their definition of “adult” is live action, no music, and PG-13 level violence.

[@leohaddad9225]

Jonah Ruiz yeah, adult is when it is hard hard R, has super adult themes, deep meaning. Musicals can be very adult sometimes actually

[@robertbench5187]

Disney is trying to make a Christopher Nolan level of adult movie but they still include some kiddy elements that makes the movie a mess.

[@leohaddad9225]

Robert Bench yep

[@user-xg9ok2sp6l]

@@robertbench5187 Imagine Christopher Nolan making a Disney movie though. ... Nvm let's not imagine it because Disney will definitely destroy it.

[@corrat4866]

I mean the Clone Wars is worse than that.

[@thatonepenguinyoumightsee7191]

Disney: we want to make this closer to the original Everyone: ehh, ok. That’s fine Disney: hey guess what Chi powers

[@ken54525]

This is my biggest issue with the movie. And all the interviews...even the director was like...we want it to be realistic.... GIRL, CHI POWERS AIN'T REALISTIC AT ALL. I'd trade Mushu and Cricket for all these BS Mulan 2020 introduced any day.

[@joelthefanboy3303]

And transforming witches

[@slevinchannel7589]

Coming of Age made in Real Life is a God that just doesnt wants to win and then, when the God wants to win, she wins? Ok. Sure. Yeah. God, this Movie is SO SIMILAR to The Last Airbender Movie. They both Insult the Source Material HARD.

[@mechajay3358]

To Disney Remakes: _"Dishonour! Dishonour on your whole family! Dishonour on you! Dishonour on your (cash) cow!"_

[@Daphineholland]

Lmao the funny thing is they put this movie out for Chinese market and they didn’t even like it they want Disney animated Magic quality just like the rest of us 😂☠️

[@ericvacca551]

Totally read that in Mushu's voice

[@Speculativedude]

LOL that's basically word for word what Doug Walker said. (yes including cash cow.)

[@KahlevN]

That first scene in animated Mulan is actually even crazier and deeper in it's tone shift. They are singing "A girl worth fighting for" And when they come to the Hun village, they find the doll of a little girl who was obviously killed in the raid on her village. "A girl worth fighting for" suddenly shifts in message from a light hearted song about winning a girl you love and romance, to one about stopping the Huns from slaughtering their children. Up there with Hellfire from Hunchback for one of the darker moments in a Disney animated feature. That scene alone is more powerful and meaningful than the entire new live action.

[@Blurrei]

I'm Brazilian and I feel bad that we were stolen this message because of translation. "A girl worth fighting for" becomes "someone to come back to", so the doll connection to the song gets lost.

[@QuikVidGuy]

@@Blurrei I think the connection works just as well if you think about how, even if they start families there will still be that kind of violence in the world just around the corner but I also don't know the nuances of Portuguese

[@Blurrei]

@@QuikVidGuy Nah. Your input is awesome, but our song doesn't allow room for it. The whole song is almost their expressing homesickness and nothing else. The punch of the impact really doesn't happen. But that's not the only song our version destroyed. 'I'll Make a Man Out of You' works for obvious reasons, with Mulan not being a man. Here it's just about winning.

[@QuikVidGuy]

@@Blurrei I WANNA BE THE WINNING WINNER!

[@quasalor1480]

I heard somewhere that the doll sort of reminds the audience that they do have "girls worth fighting for" - they're just little girls (children) they're supposed to protect.

[@Guitarist500]

Mulan’s scene in Ralph Breaks the Internet was more interesting than the whole film itself

[@jamesporter571]

didn't her actress return for that role too?

[@Guitarist500]

James Porter Yep! Ming-Na Wen is Mulan and nothing changes that for me

[@slevinchannel7589]

Coming of Age made in Real Life is a God that just doesnt wants to win and then, when the God wants to win, she wins? Ok. Sure. Yeah. God, this Movie is SO SIMILAR to The Last Airbender Movie. They both Insult the Source Material HARD.

[@crow3467]

@@slevinchannel7589 why is this the third time I've seen you in the replies of a comment

[@ebaugh7320]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHH!! SICK BURN!!

[@selinabegum4307]

Fun fact: The actress that plays Mulan is actually known for her bad and emotionless acting in China. Apparently, she does this so that she can look pretty.

[@archelynwolf]

Not exactly. She is known for being pretty, but also known for always playing emotionless characters, because that's sort of her personality. The two are not connected.

[@astraldirectrix]

@@archelynwolf So Twilight-era Kristin Stewart? lol 😂

[@seauqis]

Oh and she also supports police brutality in hong kong, there was even a boycott for her i think

[@davidclark8877]

@@seauqis to be fair to her, the consequence of holding any other view may have been an indefinite stay in a “re-education facility”.

[@puxtbuck6731]

@@furious2247 glad you're here to be her legal council

[@mycahjofficial]

*This is why I strongly dislike the Disney remakes.*

[@COCO-tm3gp]

Don't we all?

[@banjotiki3910]

I only dislike this one.

[@kylemed3645]

Beauty and beast was pretty gud for a remake

[@GaymerGuy89]

@@kylemed3645 i disagree - bad CGI - poor casting choices - it was nothing new it was a literal shot for shot remake.

[@kylemed3645]

Danny Thorp II respectfully disagree, but I’ll take that over the Mulan dumpster fire

[@WobblesandBean]

Go watch "Accented Cinema"'s take on this movie, he does a great job of explaining why the original poem and the animated version was so important to him and other Chinese kids then, and how this version totally screws it up.

[@JoshuaHenelyThornhill]

Thanks ! It’s such an amazing take on the movie too ! Really brings out even more of what is really wrong with this adaptation. Many thanks again !

[@marisp2588]

Yes! That video was fantastic!

[@TrishhMakes]

Ohhh totes gonna watch it!

[@CanaldoZenny]

It's an amazing video essay.

[@ishaanwankhade4834]

Disney: Oh this remake has to be more real! Also Disney: *adds a fricken witch and chi abilities*

[@nyltiac169]

chi doesnt mean magic lol. Its like "spirit" and is supposed to be in girls and boys not just males like the movie. They should have had a chinese director at least.

[@ishaanwankhade4834]

@@nyltiac169 Oh thanks! I was only in Kung Fu class for a little bit of time lol

[@nyltiac169]

@@ishaanwankhade4834 oh lol

[@Raccon_Detective.]

@@nyltiac169 "Chi" means life force, it's like blood.

[@nyltiac169]

@@Raccon_Detective. Yup! I didnt phrase it correctly aha sorry about that

[@hannahsharp]

It’s so sad what Disney has become one of Walt Disney’s quotes is “we don’t make movies to make money, we make money to make movies” and that’s not true anymore if it was Disney wouldn’t be making remakes they would be coming up with new ideas and story’s they would put their heart and soul into every minute of the movies like they used to. Now that Disney owns basically everything it’s like they don’t really care anymore. Take frozen 2 for example. The story is messy, it doesn’t fit with the first one and lacks originality.

[@jabby6709]

sometimes I think about how the last Disney original animated movie came out in 2016 (Moana). *2016.* they haven't made something original in 5 years. I get immensely sad every time I remember that

[@natalieybarra5207]

@@jabby6709 didn't Coco come after Moana? either way you're right. I've given up on Disney movies since the horrendous Beauty and the Beast remake. I mean Maleficent was trash too and Cinderella was okay, but Beauty and the Beast was the Last straw for me. I have refused to watch anything new from Disney until they come up with something Original.

[@natalieybarra5207]

@Eugene Oisten really? wow. smh that's disappointing.

[@giovannalisi3529]

@@natalieybarra5207 That's... Simply not true? Both movies are settled in Mexico and have the Dia de Muertos as a focal point, wich makes them similar visually, a bit, but plot wise they're very different movies-- in Book of life plot is that the two gods of the dead (La Muerte and Xibalba) make a bet on a love triangle, there are two boys and the one that manages to "get the girl" is making one of the gods win the total control of the entire land of the dead. In Coco the protagonist is a kid who wants to play music but his family forbids him because of some past events, so he steals a guitar from a grave and gets banished in the land of the dead, and has to return back before dawn or he'll remain dead. I actually recommend to watch both, I'm not mexican, not even close to Mexico (I'm italian!) so I'm not sure wich one did a better job in portraying mexican culture but both movies are well made and enjoyable imo, they deserve a watch.

[@natalieybarra5207]

@@giovannalisi3529 okay ill have to watch The Book of Life movie. Thank you

[@RothurThePaladin]

"Feels totally empty" Sums up all these remake films.

[@soulflaya2271]

My friends and I watched the trailer and they were, “OMG Mulan! We have to go see it! Omgeeeeeeee!” And I thought to myself, “wow that movie looks totally empty and boring. The actress looks like a piece of wheat toast.” I guess I was right lol.

[@Stad122]

Except Jungle Book. That one actually feels weirdly earnest.

[@sortasofi254]

cinderella actually felt like it had a lot of heart, and was well made. the fact that it was the first one to be made might have something to do with it tho

[@BigK13372]

If we are honest here, the only good Disney remakes are Jungle Book, Conderella, 101 Dalmations and its sequel, and (maybe) Pete’s Dragon.

[@robbyhenton8038]

@@Stad122 honestly Aladin wasn't *that* bad either, or though it definitely wasn't better than the original nor the same, we got very similar characters with small tweaks and twists bought by the decent actors.

[@andyzhang7890]

I feel like watching these takedowns of Mulan has more enjoyment value than actually watching the movie itself.

[@YunjinsChair]

MOOD

[@rosssapp6990]

It’s a shame because this had the most potential. But when she started flipping around as a child I was ready to turn it off. Why did they make her “special” instead of making her persevere for her father.

[@g.d.graham2446]

No kidding

[@keithanderson4433]

No one is talking about the fact that they didn't have a Chinese director. I feel like that might have helped.

[@powerincarnate6783]

More than a director they needed a Chinese writer and consultants.

[@MegaSoulHero]

Apparently they tried getting Ang Lee to direct it, but he wasn’t available. I don’t know why they gave up after that.

[@fen4613]

Nothing screams diversity more than a bunch of white dudes thinking Qi is the equivalent of the Force from Star Wars, but eXoTiC

[@keithanderson4433]

@@powerincarnate6783 Totally agree

[@Ehh97]

Ehhh I donno. I grew up watching some Chinese movies, sometimes they could be real stinkers. Still, I think it would at least more CULTURALLY accurate. Being under Disney though I cant actually imagine it being good

[@arnold20139]

From the start, I didnt mind that they took out Mushu and the songs. The way I was told it was suppose to be a retelling of the "Legend of Mulan" myths, fables, and poems. I was fine with that. I was also fine that they wanted to go a more "realistic" like portrayal and have a "all asian" cast. What I'm not fine with is that Disney tried and sell this movie for $30 ontop of your Disney+ account and then used "martial art techniques" like from Kung Fu Panda and Crouching Tiger. And on top of that put a witch in their "realistic" mulan movie. Like if the Mongols could run up walls with ease, then the whole point of building "The Great Wall of China" pretty much useless.

[@malenacardenas9618]

Don’t insult Kung fu Panda like this

[@shadowscall7758]

To be fair for the $30 thing, that was because Movie Theaters right now are non existent. If COVID hadn't happened, streaming services wouldn't have Mulan yet. It would still be in theaters, so the $30 is trying to recoup what normally would have come from ticket sales.

[@shadowscall7758]

@cumquatrct3 if you have a family of 4 going to a theater, they can easily spend that in tickets. Movies going straight to streaming will have to have a cost on top of the streaming service (at least for a month or so after release) or movies won't make anywhere near the money and big budget movies will disappear.

[@games_on_phone89]

hey HEY Kung fu panda is a sacred masterpiece don't do it dirty by comparing it to mulan

[@rooks786]

@@games_on_phone89 mulan is a classic. Kung fu panda is a kids cartoon

[@diedfamous]

They put the witch in because now she’s a princess yo. All princesses need a witch or evil queen.

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

Moana, Tiana, Pocahontas, Jasmine, Anna, and Elsa: Okey tho

[@diedfamous]

Ivanna Claudette all of those have male witches or evil Kings but just wait for the live action remake of them.

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

@@diedfamous There's a live action Jasmine. She just have an Evil wizard

[@parisheidi3119]

@@ClaudetteViolettacough jafar cough cough

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

@@diedfamous Pocahontas has no wizard or witch, and if am not wrong, Moana either. Elsa, for other hand, is a witch, technically. So she is Anna's witch. Makes sense to me.

[@Ehh97]

"Mulan failed because it was directed by a American white man!!" And I was today years old when I learned the Director is actually a lady from New Zeeland.

[@nyltiac169]

Yeah but still not chinese.

[@dot8209]

I'm pretty embarrassed as a kiwi... Taika Waititi would have made it more fun

[@CaesarLvcivs]

@@nyltiac169 I don't think having a Chinese director could have saved this. This script was fundamentally flawed.

[@lucymasters4910]

The whole point of Mulan’s story is showing how she’s born to be a quiet, graceful girl and an obedient wife, but fights for a different future. The whole point is that she’s not special, but she has a spark of a goofy, clumsy, tomboy personality, which then leads her onto great things. But the remake hands power to her on a silver platter, destroying the morals of her having to fight and work hard to become a more than just a woman. And hell, she doesn’t even fight to become stronger on purpose. She joins the army to save her father, not to prove herself to anyone. She kind of stumbles into her full potential, rather than chases it, which I think is awesome, and makes the whole tale lighthearted. Mulan is supposed to be about becoming more powerful from making your own decisions and being brave enough to let your true heart shine through. And the story can apply to either girls OR boys! They made the story about a boring, serious character who uses superhuman magical powers to fight off magic witches and be a feminist :( As a teenage girl who’s been greatly inspired by Mulan since I was a little girl and loved the lightness and humour of her story, it’s disappointing and heartbreaking that they butchered something so great. Edit: also wtf no shirtless Li Shang, what is this sh-

[@amazingcaio4803]

the weirdest thing about this movie is how they kept her name as mulan instead of changing it to mary sue, which is more fitting

[@Ifitmovesnukeit]

Suelan.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

I prefer her as Chinese Rey

[@xsu-is7vq]

margareth michelina Rey Mulan

[@margarethmichelina5146]

@@xsu-is7vq Mulan Skywalker

[@EtamirTheDemiDeer]

I’d say it’s spelled Mari Su, but I’d probably get gutted for cultural appropriation lol

[@jacemachine]

So... it just sounds like a bog standard Disney live action film. Soulless.

[@izzyr9590]

souless indeed

[@mr.cranker8086]

It’s more soulless than a corpse

[@bingbongjoel6581]

Jacemachine Gaming Disney is surprisingly bad at action, it seems. I won’t bore you with talking about the new Star Wars trilogy, but that is one great example.

[@mr.cranker8086]

Joeru even I haven’t seen the movie, I can tell that there is no soul for the fights.

[@Eeluon]

Love how this movie is being boycotted by so many people LOL - by fans of the original, hk supporters, Tibetan supporters, Xinjiang supporters, Hmong people against Doua Moua for being transphobic and anti-blm, and Chinese nationalists because Liu Yifei called herself Asian instead of Chinese lol

[@archelynwolf]

And Chinese nationalists because the movie is SUPER inaccurate to the original ballad

[@straybdoc]

@@archelynwolf yes we had to recite it in school. And the ballad started with Mulan weaving and doing chores, not training and basically being a superhero

[@anastasiap6253]

The cartoon also started with her doing chores and going to the matchmaker like other women. Both drive home the point that she is just an ordinary woman of her time who puts herself in danger simply because she doesn’t want to lose her father.

[@fallingapart]

If the Tangled Live action movie is horrible I’m going to literally sue Disney

[@sophiegrandi0103]

Same

[@fallingapart]

sophie grandi ikr I’ve had this weird obsession where i want to direct it so that I can be 100% happy with it lmao

[@beecardona175]

Live action Tangled?! No please. That's one of my favorite newer movies they better not

[@RoseRocket]

I hope they don't make it. I don't see how the would add anything new to be honest. The only part that would be beautiful would be the lanterns and I bet they would cut it out due to the singing 😤 because ✨ realism ✨

[@fallingapart]

RoseRocket no no I’m fine if it’s exactly like the movie I just would find it so nice if they could try it again cuz I loved that movie

[@eatatjoes6751]

I don't like how this movie decided human rights were secondary to "security" and filmed in front of Xianjing yet earlier they boycotted Georgia because of a stance they took.

[@yousirareahypocrite4464]

I expected Disney to be smarter

[@titocristobal5573]

@@yousirareahypocrite4464 Disney is showing their stance with these choices. They don't want to be smart or at least moral. They want profit or money.

[@JayJonahJaymeson]

@@titocristobal5573 That's not the Disney I know... Wait, no that's exactly the Disney I know.

[@games_on_phone89]

@kristian rikardsen you mean cuties? i'd say it's more of a double edged sword choosing to watch either

[@games_on_phone89]

@kristian rikardsen yeah, and you still didn't explain which netflix movie you meant, i'm assuming it's cuties

[@luisdaniel9542]

Such an irony of this movie having actors who are anti Hong Kong using wire work which was made popular by HK

[@maxcai3795]

I liked how the old mulan was like "smart and creative" while this time she's mostly just strong... The old film was very intriguing in the strategies Mulan used, and she herself in the singing said that she liked smart people or something in like a girl worth fighting for

[@victorhugomacedo4601]

Mulan pitch meeting: “let’s make mulan, but take all the fun of it” Genius!

[@thabreez456]

i love how early reviews which were coming out was like mulan is one of the best disney remakes cause its actually kinda different. Now all i see is "Mulan: Worst disney remake yet"

[@codenamekendall2780]

Welcome to KZbin where most movie reviews are the same😂😂😂

[@leohaddad9225]

Well they lowered the critics expectations so then the critics were blown away at how this one changes stuff

[@fenrirgg]

Paid flattering criticism is what we got first. But now real critics are giving honest sincere criticism.

[@owenthecook]

“Stunning and brave.” “10/10” “where is my journalistic integrity?”

[@texaszubes3650]

This movie is just a crouching tiger hidden dragon wannabe

[@trod146]

Because that's probably the only Chinese kungfu film you've ever watched

[@texaszubes3650]

Timothy Trex3 no, I’ve been learning Mandarin since I was in kindergarten, and along the way I watched many Kung fu movies

[@texaszubes3650]

Timothy Trex3 I’ve seen punch of Shaolin, karate kid ( the new one, which counts) and some other ones that are mostly in Chinese, mulan is not a Kung fu movie, it’s just a Chinese movie

[@texaszubes3650]

Timothy Trex3 oh and ipman

[@jjhaya]

@@trod146 well be a better man.

[@frankb3347]

I miss when Mulan was just a regular person trying her best rather then the magical chosen one running on walls.

[@khfan4life365]

Mulan 1998: Mulan starts out like pre-serum Steve Rogers and had to prove herself. Mulan 2020: Mulan starts out like Carol Danvers and doesn’t have any character development.

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

Disney: we remaking Mulan more realistic and grounded, no more Mushu or Captain Shang. Also Disney: Mulan is now Rey but in the Matrix but also Hidden Tiger Crouching Dragon.

[@francesco8000]

I'm honestly confused by the decision about Mulan's abilities. Someone will say "herp derp SJW ruined everything" but i don't think that's right because the original was already a pretty "empowering" movie BUT it was also really clever about it. Mulan in the animated movie is not insanely strong or some kind of super-warrior, she is just smart, every victory comes from her mind (understanding how to climb the pole during the training, causing the avalanche, sneaking up in the palace etc...). I'm pretty sure that the only time she "fight" in the animated movie is when she disarm the main antagonist before he gets blow up by a firework. So if the intention was really to be more empowering...well the end result is actually the opposite.

[@francesco8000]

@@someguy2016 Honestly both extremes ruin everything... studios should just ignore loud minorities (both SJW and anti-SJW) and just focus on good stories. That being said i still have no idea about the logic behind this change since, like everyone knows, the original was already an "empowering movie" and it did it better.

[@AgentOfPowerSun]

Well that’s my gripe with Disney at the moment. They already had it right the first time but their writers now just seem incapable of giving female characters arcs and instead just make them special and perfect from the beginning. The problem is they aren’t about equality as much as they are just about checking a box so they lazily make these characters so they can claim empowerment without actually developing them. Unfortunately groups like SJWs tend to praise these characters even when they are terrible which Disney is banking on. Im black and I see it all the time with black characters too. Tyler Perry’s movies are shit but because he’s a black movie director most black people will go praise it anyways. We shouldn’t just want to be there. We should want better treatment.

[@guitartruong3981]

I think people dislike it because of the SJW "Yas qeen" type of empowerment. The original Mulan already has a powerful narrative with a strong MC.

[@francesco8000]

Just realized that we are talking about SJW but, more likely, they simply wanted to make her look like a superhero in the hope of being more successful on the chinese market.

[@LancesArmorStriking]

@@AgentOfPowerSun I wish there was more representation in Hollywood tbh- but not at the cost of quality. There are plenty of great nonwhite actors and directors, yet they're somehow misplaced into the wrong type of movie (Shyamalan directing Avatar Last Airbender) instead of being allowed to showcase their skills. ] Maybe someday, we'll get past tokenism and value PoCs for things beyond just their skin color. Hopefully, the content of their character will come first, as with everyone.

[@Steveleecomedy]

They turned Mulan into a bad Star Wars.

[@AlistairAi]

How to kill your acting career in 2 mins, Disney Style: Say that the police brutality in Hong Kong is justified leading to a Boycott from Hongkongers

[@Sylpharts]

@transylvanian I have to admit that I've done a ton of research into this, a lot of the sources are Eastern and based on interviews. Hong Kong is on a continuous loss of autonomy to Mainland China's Government and the CCP. While I agree that police brutality in the States is a major issue that needs reformation immediately, it is not "one thousand" times worse than in Hong Kong, and by no means is this some sort of propaganda conspiracy theory setup by the United States of America. This has been an issue for decades, ever since the Tiananmen Square Protests in 1989...and it can't be ignored or belittled by anyone. It's a major problem that is very real.

[@mr.noonlight8048]

transylvanian That was a yikes take on the first comment.

[@lotan9398]

transylvanian Yikes bro, you need re-education

[@mr.noonlight8048]

transylvanian Bro. That statement was so gross I want to vomit a waterfall.

[@azu9301]

transylvanian Nobody: Not even Working class of hk: Not even also Over half of popularity in Hong Kong: A random irrelevant person on the internet: Hey the working class people are suffering. Protesters bad, police good.

[@bugboimovies7702]

All these McDonald's ads and you didn't use the Szechuan sauce as a cheap joke... You have done well.

[@SporkyMcFly]

What ads?

[@hitzncritzmobilegaming9988]

Cheap

[@bingbongjoel6581]

Bug_Boi : MOVIES I am rick the pickle

[@bugboimovies7702]

@@hitzncritzmobilegaming9988 dyslexia is like the wind...It's all over the place and on bad days it makes you fall over.

[@bugboimovies7702]

@@SporkyMcFly he puts commercials as transitions! (:

[@lnhart7157]

Fun fact: Liu Yifeis nickname is 面瘫 (face paralysis) due to her questionable acting ability

[@lnhart7157]

@@kylemed3645 I wouldn't say she's unpopular, but that nickname was given to her by the Chinese internet, so she clearly isn't super popular. Probably more popular on the mainland than in Hong Kong though, lol

[@commandercaptain4664]

Pretty sure it's "szechuan sauce".

[@allier1867]

hahaha. dont get me wrong. she's a beautiful woman but gosh she's stiffer than bella in twilight

[@usher812]

...what acting ability?

[@gunmunz]

Disney 98: A woman can do anything they want with hardwork and determination. Disney 2020: A woman can anything only if they are born with special talent like the force or chi

[@nicke.424]

It genuinely pisses me off that filmmakers still don't know that creating a strong character relies on them being relatable rather than invincible

[@ConsumerOfCringe]

They said they would stop when they didnt make any more money, thankfully that day might have come

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

I admire your wide-eyed idealism, but pity you for the inevitable crushing disappointment you are about to experience.

[@damondgreen2239]

The day Disney dies is when a bigger company buys them, and that probably won’t happen for a while...

[@ConsumerOfCringe]

@@damondgreen2239 I meant the remakes, Disney isn't going anywhere

[@anyastar8]

Well Lil Mermaid is already lined up 😂

[@Water_Me_Loan_64_YT]

What if Hollywood remade Live-Action Movies as Animated ones? (This comment was inspired from a Tweet from Twitter.)

[@marisp2588]

That would be an absolute dream 😍 but judging by the cgi in these live actions, it seems like Disney doesn't like paying animators very much 😕

[@partydude388]

That could actually be pretty great in the right case. Imagine a traditionally animated take on The Terminator

[@helloill672]

@@partydude388 Or make a sequel in 2D animation! Then maybe they could take it in a different place than just copying the original. Or at least visually they could make it unique.

[@anubusx]

Imagine if they did it in the style of A Scanner Darkly.

[@kylemed3645]

They would still panders to China

[@Simon-ug2vb]

the movie is boring, its like there is no flow between the scenes. one scene after another but there is no continuity

[@diegodubber2140]

This movie really brings (dis)honor to the original

[@jabby6709]

DISHONOR ON YOU! DISHONOR ON YOUR COW-

[@anastasiap6253]

Dis- *gets his mouth covered*

[@MrEnKaye]

This looks like a remastered 90s Kung Fu film, not a 2020 multimillion dollar budget Disney film

[@tamhuy10]

a bad one, many 90s or 00s movies had better wire work and fight scenes

[@kipolem53]

Oops clicked on wrong reply section.

[@supersaiyangoddess4293]

Allot of 90s Kung Fu movies actually have personality and humor though.

[@HiperPivociarz]

Honestly, I think "Up until now you were boys playing soldiers" is a great line, it probably wasn't implemented well.

[@RazorO2Productions]

Yeah!

[@HK-07]

“Worse version of exactly what came before” Sounds like the Star Wars sequel trilogy

[@sub1optimal325]

So your telling me Mulan is a superhero, but we can’t get a talking dragon. If you going to be realistic go all in on it.

[@alejandromunozpaz4036]

Maybe the real mulan was the friends we made in the concentration camps of uyghurs

[@theflashgordon193]

lmao

[@danieladamaschin3013]

Too bad Liu Yifei wont make friends along her way in Hong Kong :,< ...

[@canonicalensemble8727]

Alejandro Muñoz Paz I see you must’ve lived in a concentration camp of western propaganda

[@LancesArmorStriking]

@@danieladamaschin3013 You heard the news about her political opinions too? China's reach is getting broader, now Disney movies have CCP supporters as the main actor

[@applepie7091]

@@LancesArmorStriking I mean, do you need to be anti CCP if you want to be in a movie? Her political stand generally does not matter. I am not gonna watch the movie though. Since disneyremake=bad

[@bobisconsumed520]

Don’t forget that Mulan (2020) is brought to you by people running concentration camps.

[@yousirareahypocrite4464]

Disney had the option to choose out of hundreds of places, and they had to choose to film in in regions with concentration camps

[@lionofapollo4636]

Lmao how's that Propaganda Koolaid dawg?

[@marcolivellidavid6926]

If u are talking about China This is true If u are talking about USA Then this is also true

[@Oecobius33]

@@marcolivellidavid6926 Spoken like a true sheltered American consumer. People in Chinese concentration camps would be pretty pissed if they knew Americans were comparing their situation to first-world prisons.

[@marcolivellidavid6926]

@@Oecobius33 People in american concentration camps would be very pissed but not at all surprise that people belittle their situation because somewhere else is relatively worst

[@hopsqotch1852]

First time watching this movie I was like ‘ is this even Mulan?’

[@summermermaidstar756]

I feel like Live action Mulan took the Stone Dragon theory too literal and gave her powers cuz of that, when in the original cartoon one the stone dragon theory reflects on her accomplishments and wits rather then any actual ancestral power. For example causing the avalanche would be a tremendously difficult task and yet she was able to pull it off.

[@QuikVidGuy]

I mean, how long has it been since a Disney movie understood symbolism? Maybe Maleficent, but even then it was ridiculously on-the-nose

[@bencarlson4300]

Guaranteed the first sin in the CinemaSins video will be “This movie exists.” That essentially summarizes my feelings on all of these Disney remakes.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

Nah even the originals are just rip offs of other movie's. Lion King is based off Hamelot except its just stole its story from Kimba.

[@bencarlson4300]

demon king45 There are few original ideas left. I’m not saying that remakes are bad, but when average to bad remakes come out that add nothing to the original material, that is artistically offensive.

[@SunsetBear]

go watch YMS’s video on kimba. The plot of kimba is not even remotely similar to the lion king

[@demonking-zm3rs]

@@SunsetBear Are you going to say that the lion king didn't heavy take elements from Kimba the story isn't one for one but the broad strokes are similar

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

@@demonking-zm3rs Ah yes I remember the part when Simba wore the skin of his dead father to scare off the human hunters

[@misseli1]

The only thing that caught my eye was the wardrobe colors

[@QuikVidGuy]

fast food figured it out a century ago: red draws our attention or they knew how much chinese people love the color red, but i doubt they did any research into how it's used in china

[@SiddharthShenoy]

I pirated this movie and *I still want my money back!*

[@jasmineaurora3144]

🤣🤣🤣

[@freshbakedclips4659]

I pirate this movie and *I still want my time back!*

[@povang]

I was watching this movie and embarrassed to be Asian. It was so cringe throughout, so hard to watch.

[@anastasiap6253]

I’m not Asian but I cringed too, as a woman. This movie sends all the wrong messages to girls, insults the source material and the culture itself and misses a fundamental point of Asian storytelling - heroes have to WORK and/or TRAIN to achieve something.

[@swordpegasus4032]

I am 17 I am half Filipino and Canadian and I miss the original Mulan movie because the characters are awesome and the animation is epic and Mulan is a flipping badass LOL

[@Mngalahad]

so mulan is going through dash's character arc from the incredibles? where he learns to use his superpowers without feeling ashamed?

[@commandercaptain4664]

If Disneyfilm even tries to re-live any Pixar film, TO THE STAKE WITH THEM!

[@lugbzurg8987]

@@commandercaptain4664 Can't wait for live-action Toy Story... live-action A Bug's Life... live action Monsters Inc? Oh, just imagine live-action Cars!

[@emperorsupra5336]

@@lugbzurg8987 Honestly after Lion King Cars seems plausible

[@lugbzurg8987]

@@emperorsupra5336 I mean, if Herbie worked...

[@Justpastawesome]

That wasn't Dash's character arc in the Incredibles, if you ask me. He starts the film wanting to SHOW OFF his powers and ends the movie intentionally not winning a race because he learns there are more important uses for one's abilities than self aggrandizing.

[@watcher314159]

What bugs me most about Mulan 2020 is that it exists largely as a reaction to the poor performance of Mulan 1998 in the Chinese market, and yet somehow ends up being more tone-deaf to Chinese cultural norms (the main complaint of Chinese audiences toward the original) than the original. Disney actually invested a *ton* of money back in the day to even get it screened in China and were hit quite hard by the poor reception, and once again we see a huge investment in the Chinese market in the remake, using Chinese actors, filming on location in China, getting a hardline CCP supporter to star, etc... though we of course also see a script written by 4 white people and no Chinese consultants able to explain everything these writers were doing wrong. For example, China hated Mushu. Sure he's a beloved character in the West, but Chinese audiences were quite annoyed to have mythical creatures showing up in an adaptation of a poem notably lacking in fantastical elements. So, they got rid of Mushu... and then added in a phoenix and a witch and qi powers and make the problem even worse than what they started with. 400 IQ move Disney, 400 IQ move. You can also see a token attempt to pay more lip service to the poem by increasing the emphasis on Mulan being in a cavalry unit (historians broadly agree that this was one of the bigger reasons Mulan was able to go undetected as well as she did; cavalry had more privacy than infantry and was a bit less dependent on upper body strength)... that was rendered basically inconsequential by turning it into a superhero movie. Like, I'm not even Chinese (I just like reading Chinese fantasy novels (which means I'm more familiar with ancient norms (which are very much viewed as outdated today) than modern ones... but those ancient and outdated norms that make it into pop fantasy novels (usually alongside more modern norms) are the norms modern audiences still remember and are familiar with)) and I haven't seen the movie (I'm honestly probably not going to bother)... but just by looking at trailer and review footage I can easily pick out half a dozen decisions (*unbound hair?* That's not just barbaric by 6th century standards, it's barbaric to the point of suggesting a rejection of humanity entirely (and importantly carries no gendered implication)) that I just know are going to backfire on Disney in the Chinese market specifically, not to mention all the more general issues that will apply basically equally to all markets.

[@alexcortez8909]

Haven’t watched Mulan. But from all the reviews, it sounds like another ‘The Last Airbender’.

[@mudfishnick9768]

There is no Live-action Avatar or Mulan movie in Ba Sing Se

[@ryant2568]

It suffers from the same problem they had with Rey in Starwars, when you have a character that is just great at everything right out of the gate there is nowhere for the character to develop.

[@danstiver9135]

Meanwhile mainstream critics are praising the hell out of it, just like with all of the other uncreative remakes Disney has churned out over the past few years.

[@mattmurray6125]

Well I mean when ya got the money you gotta use it

[@filmfanman2647]

Lol that's because it's woke as shit, and the critics these days love to lap that shit up. Their opinions literally mean nothing to me anymore.

[@woolypuffin392]

Money buys everything.

[@kky-jd3xj]

Legit this turd of a movie has a better Metacritic score than Jojo Rabbit (tbf that's bc of that boneheaded reviewer who gave Jojo Rabbit a 0, but still)

[@jonathanbowers8964]

@@filmfanman2647 it isn't actually all that progressive of a story and is far less progressive than the original animated Mulan. Because Mulan's abilities are due to magical powers instead of hardwork and determination like in the original it undercuts the message that "women can overcome adversity and save the world". They took a well designed "feminist heroine" and reduced her to a Mary Sue (a term I personally don't like as it is often misapplied but the shoe fits here). Also the film doesn't use the remake as an opportunity to critique the empire/barbarian dichotomy or the dangerous nationalist undertones of the narrative. A more "progressive" retelling would have been to humanize the "huns" by giving them more of a tragic backstory or showing how the Empire of China looked down upon barbarians. But considering how modern China views non-Han ethnic groups (like the Uyghurs) they continued to portray the outsiders like they were making a 1950's western about "dem Injuns". So it isnt "woke" or even "updated" retelling but a cheap cash grab for that lucrative Chinese Cinema market. The only thing slightly more progressive was that Mulan chose when to "out" herself as a woman rather than be "discovered" after her injury in the avalanche battle. I honestly feel like the 1998 Mulan is about as feminist as she needs to be (considering that it really triggered Mike Pence to go on a tirade on his talk show back in the day) but the movie really fails on its use of racial stereotypes and failure to critique Imperialist narratives. TL;DR New Mulan is actually less feminist than the original and still glorifies nationalist/Imperialist narratives as all of the changes weren't meant to be "woke" but to make more money in China.

[@randomchannel-px6ho]

I refuse to watch it. I refuse to give Disney money for these soulless factory movies. I refuse to watch a film filmed in Xinjiang with the help of Chinese authorities, and thanks them in it's credits. I refuse to support a shitty lead actress who supports the brutal oppression in Hong Kong. I think this might be a turning point for Hollywood. The only way they could have pandered more to the CCP would've been make the villains the Japanese. And even so it got banned from Chinese media. Combined with Western audiences boycotting the film due to it's Chinese connections and you have a hilariously bad flop. The China related backlash of course isn't the only reason for the box office bomb, the exclusive subscription to Disney+ and the ridiculous pay to view markup ontop of that is certainly another reason why audiences have shown little interest in the film. Audience fatigue towards the Disney remakes and their bad reputation is also playing a role. All in all it's very entertaining to watch Hollywood get bitch slapped like this.

[@commandercaptain4664]

The 1998 one is my mother's favorite Disney movie. When I told her about how much it would cost to watch the 2020 one, the look she gave me could only be described as... ... Lovecraftian.

[@andyyy_cs2]

Not to mention in the credits they openly thank a CCP agency tasked with administering the Uighur concentration camps

[@freakyfro99]

They've really made it so easy to boycott. I love the original Mulan. I love Wuxia movies. The reviews I've seen have shown me enough footage to tell me that this movie is a pale imitation of both of those things. To date, I haven't seen any Disney live action remake and it really looks like I'm not missing out on much.

[@TheSamistarkey]

Preach.

[@kaze-xo]

@@andyyy_cs2 CCP agency? Exactly who?

[@kennethbowers2897]

Imagine if the story behind Mulan 2020 was about freeing the thousands of people interned in the labor camps where the movie was shot.

[@teal3af49]

I like how you’re so amazingly calm. The reason I’m shocked is because the first video I saw on this topic was by Schaffrillas Productions and let’s just say..... *he mildly disliked it*

[@helloitsme3982]

To put it lightly lmao

[@sitcomchristian6886]

SP has kinda made a brand about being over the top with his reactions, tbh

[@g.d.graham2446]

Oh yes

[@Yddet12345]

I saw the trailer on tv today and they are using original songs to promote the film Like if you are going to cut all the songs from the film dont use the original songs to promote it

[@shahanahsan05]

When will Disney ever learn to stop making bad sequels and Remakes .All Of them are a huge disrespect to the original.Dont make me get started about the Horrible acting . This movie was soooooo bad that it’s I’ll say it’s as bad as the LAST AIRBENDER MOVIE. This movie gets a -10000000/10 Make a vid on Ben afflecks career

[@wrestlinganime4life288]

When people will stop go see them

[@shahanahsan05]

Wrestling Anime 4life yeah! people keep watching these stupid movies and they’ll keep making them. Aladdin is the only good one

[@lordtrigon1733]

Pete’s Dragon is better than the original.

[@basicinsight7214]

@@shahanahsan05 Is Aladdin tho? lol i mean, it's about preferences but for me the original is so much better that the only thing i remember in live action version is that Speechless covers are good.

[@ajpat9620]

Shahan Ahsan Aladdin isn't that good. It was a cheap-looking mess.

[@FuegodeInfierno]

Hollywood's empowered female characters guide: make them all Mary Sues.

[@SamsonBiggz]

They screwed up Mulan just like they screwed up Star Wars.

[@pwnyboy9714]

I'm sorry, did they run directly up a vertical wall after launching off horse back?

[@johnsheam43]

Yes, yes they did

[@tttt5955]

Poni

[@spencyn2641]

I’m definitely stating the obvious here, but company’s seriously need to stop remaking or rebooting good things and making them worse.

[@rosietyler]

It's crazy to think that there were two things that the entire world came together in agreement on. One: loving Tiger King and Two: despising Mulan 2020.

[@daniellclary]

Just started watching, you said something about pacing. Just had to say something right now. All the Disney remakes have bad pacing. The movie is longer, but everything feels so rushed. In the originals, the films are shorter, but you see a character react, and think, and feel before doing something. Not much of that happens in any of the new stuff.

[@Ironcabbit]

You ever met Ming Na in person? She has charisma coming out her eyeballs.

[@BugsyFoga]

That's honestly kind of a shame , I was really looking forward to the remake , it looked like it had a bunch of potential.

[@chad8519]

I originally got interested that it would be true to the historical Mulan but from I hear/read, it's some rehashed Wuxia shit from those cheesy 70s martial art films. Hard pass.

[@n-extrafries-surprise]

The 2009 Mulan made by actual Chinese is much more superior

[@KhanMann66]

Sadly just another check box live action movie to Disney.

[@SwordArtX]

I hated every second watching Mulan 2020 it was disgusting how they changed everything and destroyed it

[@randomkitty2555]

Mulan 2 (2022): Aliens invade ancient China and it's up to Mulan who is now a master of chi control.