The (Cut) Song That Could Have Saved The Once-Ler

[@lily-zc2eq]

if both songs were in the movie , with how bad can i be first , and biggering second , kind of signifying his decent into evil , it would’ve been great

[@tzshchsjsjxijyo]

It’s like “A KZbinr’s Descent Into Insanity” but with the once-ler’s descent into greed in a song

[@HairyBalls2896]

I actually think this would have been something that maybe could have worked, giving him more screen time but then the plausible deniability part of the how bad can i be song is kinda not making sense. maybe he sees the destruction but still chooses to willingly ignore it for money.

[@WuBuzhidao]

my boyfriend has the same pfp as you

[@aglassofcyanide8266]

I would love that! Tbh, i really like How Bad Can I Be. But, Biggering sounds really cool! I want both! 😭

[@sev1120]

@@HairyBalls2896 maybe have 2 minutes of how bad can I be, but after the first chorus it breaks, then Biggering comes in

[@rylie5190]

It was cut because the onceler fandom would have too much power.

[@fruitygarlic3601]

Imagine how strong their aura of horniness would be if they listened to rock opera. We would all pass away.

[@somedragonbastard]

@@fruitygarlic3601 rock opera is one of the sexiest genres they would kill us all with a glance

[@royyy390]

@@fruitygarlic3601 *Baby I'm not even here, I'm a hallucination*

[@royyy390]

It's true, we would

[@chappelled]

Something bad would happen we would destroy everything

[@wave6553]

You ever think about how literally everyone except Zac Efron and Taylor Swift sing in this movie?

[@mlpdisneylover]

Bruh that’s wasted potential 😕

[@thehuman2cs715]

Why did they even get them if they weren't gonna sing

[@Probably_Daniel]

Strangely, I remember Taylor Swift singing Let It Grow, but it sounded more similar to Let It Go. I recently re-watched the movie, and was surprised to see that that line wasn't there. Weird.

[@shwembo]

Cause they didnt want the actors to feel bad

[@Tepurcat]

Why

[@TeddyCream0]

Id love to see some indie studio remake this film without any restrictions, go as dark as they can, drive the message home

[@Whats9plus10_21_Ustupid]

Broadway people: Hellooooooo

[@tycathedrawer]

I wanna do that one day lol

[@W3lle]

Unfortunately The Lorax won’t be public domain until the 60’s

[@nicholaswilliams6475]

2060s or 3060s? The way companies try to eternally extend copyright, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the latter

[@AbigailTheAllRounder]

I will, don’t worry.

[@BrandonMixon122]

I feel like Biggering and How Bad could have both existed, if shortened. Two halves of the same song. How bad marking the start of a descent into evil, when the onceler truly is naive. The song is cut up and spans maybe ten minutes on and off, but as it progresses and the onceler makes some decisions, the tone shifts ending on the relentless greed of Biggering. I think this would make it more impactful, on how as somebody rises to power their priority shifts. At first, he just wanted to make a product. He knew a few trees had to die, but it's only a few. As he looks to production, seeing the valley he's decimated, he shows some sorrows but decides that he's come so far, why not let some more things die. That's when he makes the choice to overlook it. A fade from unknowing to uncaring.

[@zorathemagic7310]

Yeah i like both of the songs

[@3rdBalance]

Someone should try to do an edit of that

[@aWERFRGT6545BGFG]

I agree!

[@cheesecakelasagna]

@@3rdBalance imma comment just so I can be here when somebody finally did one

[@CosmicG777]

Very good idea. I wish Illumination had thought of that.

[@corvidkhaos]

just hearing "the onceler" in reference to to the film's plot rather than to the fandom is wild

[@FiSH-iSH]

we do not talk about them.

[@LycanMOON]

We do talk about them cuz it’s good

[@farateq]

@@FiSH-iSH there is no onceler fandom in ba sing se

[@donnamitsuki281]

That thing is still alive????

[@aoisstuff6565]

The friend still crushes on him. *Send help.*

[@officialteaoflife9026]

‘How Bad Can I Be’ is basically a Kidz Bob version of ‘Biggering’.

[@SlickBillByron]

Ikr

[@elijahking519]

Yep

[@amyliaclenny1866]

Bob... I thought itwas *Bop* ... Not that either titles make sense to me as descriptive of that type of music. *Biggering* & music songs like it sound too grandious to be called *Bop music* ... I love it, I just think it needs a more fitting name.

[@theslashmanrc7503]

Yep

[@hufflepup6491]

After kidz bob we have adult bop were we put in as many curse words as possible *unoriginal*

[@Reginald_Ritmo]

I feel like "How bad can I be" better captures the "corperate sleazeball" energy, but Biggering makes the Oncler more of an actual "villan".

[@Guilty-Gearer-Does-Things]

Biggering is the musical equivalent of sticking it to the man

[@alexmeza9080]

​@@Guilty-Gearer-Does-ThingsBut in this case the oncler is "The man"

[@Guilty-Gearer-Does-Things]

@@alexmeza9080 No. The Lorax is "the man"

[@alexmeza9080]

​​@@Guilty-Gearer-Does-ThingsIs that because the Lorax keeps on telling him not to cut down trees while the Oncler by the song biggering doesn't want to stop?

[@Guilty-Gearer-Does-Things]

@alexmeza9080 Yes

[@jazmindodds]

When I was 12, "How bad can I be?" actually hit me hard- this one would have absolutely blown my mind

[@strawberryskeletons1770]

Ikr

[@marshamellow8205]

Gotta be honest same. But I think I will be horrified for life if it was the song biggering, and I would not sleep for days. But hey I watched cute stuff animal stab each other when I was 8 so yeah I can handle it owo I mean, internet, am I right?

[@hazukichanx408]

I feel like this could be (or could have been) part of why the song was changed, too... "Will this version simply be too much of a blunt instrument, pushing people away rather than slapping them awake? Will it feel too preachy, and fail to connect with the viewer?" I don't know, of course, but I kind of respect Illumination for at least getting How Bad Can I Be out there for people's minds to chew on.

[@degenerat9329]

@@marshamellow8205 Wait are you talking about htf?

[@TristonPendarvis]

2012 was trash

[@AddamsrUs13]

Also Biggering is a WAY BETTER example of the RANGE of Ed Helms ???? Like if that's him singing my man is BELTING

[@The_Sin_Squad]

The main singer is actually Gabriel Mann from The Rescues and he's SOOOO GOOOOOD! Gah, I love The Rescues :'D another reason why Biggering makes me go "!!!"

[@chungusbungus1633]

Why am I learning that Ed Helms voiced the ONCELER from a KZbin COMMENT, also I just looked at the cast and WTF

[@crystocious6715]

I thought it was a Muse song for a hot second! I was like, hey I like Muse, and they did Uprising. 🤩

[@goobysooby]

@@chungusbungus1633 holy shit they have so many big names

[@lordlandcandlestick3010]

it's also honestly just kind of a bop??? like i can find myself listening to it unironically because it's just that good

[@j_g9109]

“Who cares if some things are dying. I don’t want to hear your crying.” Like... damn.

[@hazukichanx408]

The way business suits talk when the microphones aren't around.

[@kstar1489]

I mean that’s real life right there

[@j_g9109]

@@kstar1489 I know, but the fact that this is how many think in rl makes the lyrics even more f-ed up.

[@binoobear9607]

Best part of Biggering 100%

[@orangeslash1667]

the Once-ler did say Biggering more than once in the original 70's short, so that's probably the inspiration for the song.

[@x.honeyboo.x6573]

“How bad can I be” and “biggering” could have both been in the movie, and ik people in the comments already said this but god it would have made this movie so much more iconic! “How bad can I be” can show the once-ler starting his business still having the mindset of “it wouldn’t hurt to cut down a few trees.” And “biggering” would show the viewer his descent into corporate greed and his awareness to the damage he has caused but he is just too focused on the money. This would have saved his character and made him a very awesome villain.

[@hurstkid4247]

genuinely a good idea

[@opulent_angel]

It would fit so well if "Biggering" was his villain song, played *after* "How Bad Can I Be?" but was also listed on the album as "Biggering (How Bad Can I Be - Reprise)" because some of the lyrics are echoed in each other. We would really get to see him go from the Once-ler we like and relate to to the Once-ler we're genuinely *afraid* of

[@tf2_engineer_real]

How Bad Can I Be: "Your honor, my client pleads 'oopsy daisy'" Biggering: "Your honor, my client pleads 'Dont care didn't ask'"

[@fluffberrieh2335]

"Your honor, my client pleads 'oopsy daisy'" is the best sentence ever posted on the internet

[@JT8fvhiut769yhouyhoiu]

Your honor, my client pleads "no❤️"

[@sugarcherries6760]

@@JT8fvhiut769yhouyhoiu OMG I’M SCREAMING CXVSKWNSH-

[@oreo_6206]

@@JT8fvhiut769yhouyhoiu sgdr et

[@Vexin980]

@@sugarcherries6760 Are you okay?

[@maverickdarkrath4780]

Actually the original Oncesler was intentionally made faceless so that he could represent anybody, that anybody no matter who you are could easily fall into the slippery slope he fell into.

[@Necrapocalypse]

While that's definitely something I've heard before, I hadn't considered that when I watched the original on its own merit. I did see him as an other and if anyone was me it was the child given the seed. Which I guess is actually also the intent. Adults who are old enough to potentially become subordinate to someone like the Once-ler or become like him themselves can see themselves reflected in him and children are given the chance to create a better future, but only because the Once-ler (adults) gave them it. Anyway, my original point was that making him a highly relatable everyman protagonist is at least as good of a starting point as a faceless older man, if not actually better.

[@joshuastoaac9572]

Now THAT is scary

[@Parkiiee]

Instead he looks like leafy

[@samiamtheman7379]

In the old cartoon version, he even justifies his actions saying that if he didn't do it, then someone else would anyway.

[@cwheels01]

@@Necrapocalypse On that last paragraph there, that. Well, almost that. They didn't play it off that way. The ability to interpret it that way only shows that you're already aware of your own capacity for destruction. I'm not sure if that's a lesson to teach a child or not, but it's far more accurate than creating a corporate boogeyman antagonist. They really could have nailed a good concept there though.

[@edithgrey7845]

“He’s given a face and a personality and a hipster outfit to appeal to the pre teens” **the onceler fandom intensifies**

[@stevethepaidintern196]

oh no not them

[@zathary564]

Good god not tumblr please no

[@mofthemoth5755]

There is no Onceler fandom in Ba Sing Se

[@sodapxp]

Yeah 🥰🥰🥰

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

@@mofthemoth5755 yep

[@xxreaperkatxx]

5:22 "Look, Its... some circling birds, I bet you they're going to, EAT. OUR. CORPSES." is probably my absolute favorite line for some reason.

[@Beret413]

I agree

[@wanderer_1018]

it was too dark for illumination😔

[@carolesheen3940]

so true

[@frostyvoid827]

That just exudes mood to me for some reason-

[@ilikeoranges2044]

👌 is all I have to say in that line.

[@swimmyswim417]

They didn’t want to scare the children? God, the book terrified me as a child. It wouldn’t have been a loyal adaptation UNLESS it mentally scarred its target audience.

[@kjl3080]

yeah

[@xythiera7255]

Becouse makeing a Political msg out of a film has work so great in all the films that did it.

[@Retardidity]

Yeah my biggest hatred for this movie came from the fact of the ending is so uplifting as if mistakes can be easily rectified. The book and even original cartoon ended on such a depressing note that that single seed would take forever to replenish the trees. To have this movie end with all of the trees just coming back like it was nothing does such a disservice to the original story.

[@Tyler-rd8qz]

Yup agreed

[@GAKEI97]

@@acrazygamer9518 illunination's strategy: churn out shit like minions with terrible humour to appeal to kids with no sense of actual humour

[@plushy_doctor2299]

"Biggering" sounds so epic, I can't even- Also, they could've have made it so the Once-ler loved his donkey a lot more and it dies because of the shlop and smog. Not to be relentlessly dark, but to push another message - we don't care about anything until it personally effects us.

[@k.r4312]

That would be so sad, but very affective

[@plushy_doctor2299]

@@k.r4312 I know, right?

[@benny687]

People can argue that that's too dark but Lion king, Bambi, Nemo, and Up did that

[@plushy_doctor2299]

@@benny687 I guess in a sense - they're not exactly the same, but yea.

[@seamusmckeon9109]

It would be even more effective if he came to the decision to chop down the truffulas on his own and not though his mom telling him to.

[@suicune690]

Fun Fact: According to the director's commentary, five years go by during How Bad Can I Be, which is a reasonable time period for the destruction/Once-ler's attitude change to happen, but the movie itself gives no indication about the amount of time that's passed, everyone looks the same.

[@TuesdaysArt]

It felt like 5 minutes! It's supposed to be 5 years?

[@jesusmejia79]

So in half a decade his business was shut down and all the trullffe trees were cut down and thneeds weren't popular anymore the valley was unliveable and the animals still live there and the Lorax still protested until the last tree was cut down

[@jesusmejia79]

@@Wishtelle I know what they saying what I put is in that anount of time what I type down happen

[@jesusmejia79]

@@Wishtelle what what

[@jesusmejia79]

@@Wishtelle I not the one who confused you don't even who you are rafkil the lion king but all joking aside you clearly didn't read my comments clearly and thoughtly because I type down in 5 years span everything I said happen All the trees in the valley were cut down the valley was a wasteland the animals still live there until the last tree is chop down thneeds weren't popular anymore the lorax still protested until there weren't any trees left and the company ended that what I said which if 5 years had really past then I put should be in consideration for the details someone might ask which I sorta answer

[@Nerdtendo6366]

When you make a song so good that you have to cut it from the movie so it doesn’t implode the universe from being so good:

[@wiggard]

Illumination:

[@fish6550]

The change from “I don’t wanna hear your crying!” To “this feels so gratifying.” Makes me upset.

[@natania7738]

I've listened to Biggering and both lines were in there, but How Bad Can I Be took out the "I don't wanna hear your crying" line, but yes, I agree!

[@MikhailPashkovski]

Biggering ends with "This feels so gratifying"

[@pizzawashere8940]

Comparing the lines about the animals either fighting or ending up as lunch really shows that at their core their the same song, but the execution absolutely changes the mood and message of the song so drastically. Also that "I don't wanna hear your crying" hits hard.

[@natania7738]

@@pizzawashere8940 That’s what I was thinking! The first verse of How Bad Can I Be and Biggering are almost exactly the same words, but the music and the execution is so different and really gives them a whole different sound

[@eliasalbarracin5549]

@@pizzawashere8940 The mentioning of "survival of the fittest" in the song in an attempt to justify their behavior also really helps bring the point home on how these corporations see the world around them.

[@katherinebell8176]

I actually really like that the repeated line is “How bad can I be”, at first it sounds like “I’m a good guy, I don’t wanna destroy nature, I’m just trying to be someone”. And then the tone switches and it starts sounding more like “how bad CAN I be?” As in like “how far can I get with this”.

[@irok1]

Yeah

[@lazyliongames6660]

Well apparently you can get pretty goddamn far since Disney is now the government of the state of Florida Edit: was, the government decided that a corporate entity is fine with ruling but adding gay characters is too far

[@Data-Expungeded]

@@lazyliongames6660 wait are you serious

[@lazyliongames6660]

@@Data-Expungeded used too thankfully the governors got sense knocked into them but for awhile yeah

[@snowikitt1558]

@@Data-Expungeded it wasn’t the whole government of Florida. Disney World had a specific area in Florida that was under their own government, not Florida’s. The governor signed a bill that would revoke that back in April

[@quandariusquanglebangle9634]

My personal theory is that "How bad can I be" is the story that the onceler told the kid and "Biggering" is what actually happened

[@mizzybluth4550]

F##KING GENIUS

[@mjjjermaine]

+ I love this theory, because I think both songs work together rather than one or the other

[@omnimonium]

that's what i considered, too. it's obviously not canon, but what i'd prefer to believe nonetheless

[@greenytoaster]

The best way to lie is to sprinkle some truth into it, hence the similar lyrics.

[@theincredibleauraaa133]

Holy shit

[@PrixtoTNT]

The saddest part about this song not being in the movie is that it's more similar to the original story than the rest of the movie

[@ellyelly7235]

The line "I don't want to hear you crying" in biggering also implies awareness and intent

[@milx7210]

Yeah that and also he doesn’t give a f***k

[@hazukichanx408]

Ah, the classic authoritarian fallacy: "If this thing I do makes you cry, you're the one who should feel bad about it."

[@justanormalinvestigator2640]

Basically the ultimate “Lol ok”

[@edorasmarauder5761]

@@hazukichanx408 I think that's gaslighting

[@sarinabina5487]

@@justanormalinvestigator2640 The Onceler in “Biggering”: so anyway, i started chopping-

[@radicalraddish6292]

The lorax: or how corporate consumerism ruined an anti corporate consumerist message

[@The_Sin_Squad]

WELL D A N G now I wish THAT was the title!!

[@radicalraddish6292]

@@The_Sin_Squad its all yours if you want it. Lol

[@jessetheking5756]

I broke the 666 likes, you're welcome.

[@agenttexas3334]

But then we wouldn’t have o hare memes wouldn’t we

[@master0fthearts894]

@@The_Sin_Squad Well, then you wouldn’t have been able to snag that thumbnail.

[@davidgarcia0604]

I like how in Biggering. The Lorax isn't trying to save the trees, he's trying to save Once-ler

[@Man_Aslume]

When Lorax said "the man you used you to be." It seemed like it was meant for the song

[@TaliyahWilliams-we8fp]

@Dusty_Rusty hell nah 😟

[@guywiththepvzpfp2630]

He’s trying to save both

[@WinQiu10]

​@Dusty_Rusty don't give them ideas

[@ae-kz4xd]

I mean trying to save onceler will save whole arm, trying to save tree will save only little finger

[@kcm7813]

I kinda hope, one day, the lorax gets a broadway stage musical that gives the all the demo songs the respect the deserve .

[@buggabugga1637]

I am.. offended that I have NEVER heard of “Biggering” before. I feel betrayed🥺 haven’t heard the whole thing yet and I’m already obsessed

[@brittanypumpkin]

I only found out about this song because of a comment under Film theory about the movie. I love this movie and I’m really disappointed that this masterpiece was scrapped😭

[@irv4843]

@@brittanypumpkin same ;-;

[@justsoup3726]

SAME!!! I first heard this song yesterday via this video and it's been the only song I've been listening to since!!! And I'm not even a rock fan!

[@llsaraswathill3741]

Same 🥺

[@mastersio3647]

Hope "Biggering" get popular soon, I mean, it seems that it is going to become popular.

[@knightatyourservice7512]

To be honest, "Biggering" would have made the obsession of shipping Once-Ler with himself and only with himself a bit more understandable.

[@marsbarr4144]

the fandom cant even be justified even with that

[@justthatoneguy64]

@@marsbarr4144 NOTHING can justify that

[@zannis5441]

You are not wrong this curse is correct.

[@nuggs5509]

407+ people are okay with that...

[@justthatoneguy64]

@@nuggs5509 fair enough

[@pharoahcaraboo9610]

huh, i'd never heard biggering before. it's a hell of a bop. 'too scary for kids'? come on, kids *love* scary shit. kids love villains! kids love scar, and ursula, and randall, and love villain songs.

[@pigeon2503]

I suspect it was a weak argument to have it cut without revealing their true motivations (it scared them more than it'd scare the kids)

[@josepharmstrong1788]

Specifically, they’re more afraid of parents complaining how their kids were scared and sent messages that made them uncomfortable or confused or afraid they’d do what the Onceler did to the cute animals.

[@pigeon2503]

@@josepharmstrong1788 We've had scarier environmental movies aimed at kids to achieve a U certification (Watership Down) tbh studios need to grow a pair

[@simsgirlgem]

@@josepharmstrong1788 I like Don bluth philosophy that kids can handle dark and scary stuff as long as you slap a happy ending on it and considering outside the Disney renaissance most movies I loved as a kid was what he did with scary stuff like the owl in the secret of nimh I have to agree

[@salem8228]

It’s just the whiny , bitchy parents who can take less shit then their kids can

[@roarkthehalf-orc6598]

Biggering is so good it hurts. That line about pride is absolutely profound and 100% truth. It really is the root of all evil

[@Harrinsain]

"All I ever wanted was the stuff that I don't have" And that was the moment I was convinced this movie could have been good

[@austinfletchermusic]

When I heard that, I immediately started making a video where I re-write this movie because it had THAT. MUCH. POTENTIAL.

[@absolite6]

*Because kids never buy stuff to show off or to fit in with the crowd right...?*

[@pointlessdonkey6494]

It’s ironic that literally all the demo songs are better than the actual songs

[@bernardoserrano4439]

@@austinfletchermusic PLEASE do that video

[@austinfletchermusic]

@@bernardoserrano4439 I'm working on the script, but I have other things in my life, so it'll be a long time!

[@ouf5794]

I would like to see a Lorax remake, BUT with all the cut songs. Just to see how much the message would change.

[@Alisibeth_Talia212]

PLEASE. I NEED THIS.

[@kitkat12021]

Or just make a Broadway adaption with the cut songs

[@ouf5794]

@@kitkat12021 maybe, but not a lot of people have access to broadway. and i really dont feel like seeing a human try to play the iconic Lorax.

[@badulgumm5458]

And let's cut out the love interest girl too

[@ouf5794]

@@badulgumm5458 PLEASE. seriously just added to the cringe.

[@catherinecao4810]

One thing I really liked about the original short: Littering. The pollution wasn’t just from the factory, but also from the people living nearby. They just threw stuff out the windows, expecting their garbage to go away. It didn’t go away, it landed literally on the Lorax and his friends.

[@andynonymous6769]

What's worse though is that even when we put the trash in dumps it doesn't just magically go away. There's nothing we can do about it.

[@christopherauzenne5023]

the thing I really liked from the short was the line "you want me to shut down my factory, fire hundreds of workers, put them out of the job?" "I see what you mean and I can't provide an answer" it really has a lot of wait and shows how hard the answer can be/doesn't go to another extreme

[@catherinecao4810]

Seuss knew he didn’t have the answer. But that didn’t mean we should ignore all the problems, and how three-dimensional they are.

[@lawsongolder618]

1:09 "It all started a long time ago" "Can we start not so long ago maybe?" "do you want a tree?" "Yes.. yes" "THEN IT ALL STARTED A LON-"

[@technicolormischief-maker5683]

I think it’d have been interesting if Ted got the tree and gave it to his crush, and as she marvels over it, he starts telling her things about truffula trees that he learned from the Onceler. As the conversation goes on, it becomes more and more apparent that her reasons for wanting a tree were shallow and materialistic, leading him to become increasingly frustrated towards her… which then leads to a moment of self-awareness as he realizes that his own reasons for wanting a tree have changed. Bonus points if he eventually realizes that his initial goal was equally or even more shallow: that rather than wanting a tree, he wanted a person, and how fucked it is to view other people through a materialistic lens. Which ties him thematically to O’Hare…

[@mjjjermaine]

+

[@LunaticoniSolar]

Yes, Yes. I thinks that's the subplot Ted almost (and should) have had

[@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747]

That would’ve probably saved both the characters if that was the arc instead of the stupid romance plot we had

[@potato_723]

Better writer than all of illumination

[@gingertea3778]

They honestly did Ted dirty in the movie. He was kinda just there.

[@pierce3622]

Not gonna lie though, “Biggering” kinda slaps.

[@imacapricorn9144]

*Hella* slaps

[@iker2333]

You think?

[@xloisx4603]

Kinda? You mean it *DOES* ?

[@surrenderyourgender5976]

Mhm

[@brianelson1481]

Yeah

[@Meaxis]

In French, this song IS actually showing that he is aware and human. "How bad can I be?" was translated to "It's bad, but whatever; is it my fault if I am what I am?" which both shows that he knows AND he puts the blame on anything else than him.

[@trvrshoe4518]

it's weird that translations give completely different implications

[@Meaxis]

​@@trvrshoe4518 Indeed, but sometimes it's the job of a translator to do more than "put X line in assigned language", a translator has to put the entire song in their assigned language - that includes rhymes, following the audio, etc.

[@GogiRegion]

@@Meaxis A good translator will keep or enhance the original meaning. Sounds like the French translator did a better job at keeping the original book’s message than the English writers did.

[@limespots]

Unfortunately, the European French version of the song is also the only translated variation where the Onceler (or as he's called in French, Le Gash-Pilleur), downright admits that he knows it's bad but fuck it, he's doing it anyway. Every other translated variation I have heard so far and how it translates is chalked up to "Am I bad?" or "I'm not THAT bad!", much like how the English version goes by this statement or question, but in France, Le Gash-Pilleur is just like "Yeah, I know it's bad, but fuck it, I don't care, let's cut down the trees, some trees dying is not so troublesome."

[@conic2721]

Portuguese it's basically "Quão ma a au será que sou?" that means how bad can I be. Yeah they didn't changed here on Brazil

[@upcomingperson4098]

Something I noticed in the lyrics: In the last part (where the chorus takes place), the Once-ler says this: "Though biggering is triggering more biggering!" But then, in the next part, he says this: "And biggering is triggering more biggering!" "Though" is replaced with "and," like Once-ler's fully accepting what he's doing. This could imply that Once-ler was having second thoughts. Or maybe I'm looking too deep into things.

[@boofboo5556]

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the original idea for the movie was a dramatic musical. I also hate the idea that just because it's made for kids means it has to be simplified and numbed down. Some of my favorite media as a kid was long story and character arcs with dramatic and dark themes.

[@repulsedcat9409]

Yeah, an example would be Hunchback of Notre Dame It's meant to be a children's film, but does NOT dumb anything down and probably leave a lot of kids with nightmares for awhile

[@megp4732]

how bad can i be is BY NO MEANS simplified and dumbed down

[@PrixtoTNT]

Also it's an insult to the original story

[@SSJRose_GokuBlack]

​@@megp4732tf are you talking about it definitely dumbstruck down the story

[@diyagore1784]

Another thing: when they made the swap to how bad can I be, they didn't just switch lyrics, the entire genre went from rock opera to pop song. I think that specific change was because the target audience was children, and they didn't know how kids would handle a loud rock opera Edit: From the responses I have come to realize that this was not the case. kids do in fact, enjoy rock operas.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Kids did enjoyed some metal if they can handle that.

[@dinofeino1811]

Idk why producers forget kids are people and can have different tastes? Like a rock opera wouldve been amazing to me as a kid.

[@billywhitten3107]

I’m a kid and I love rock music can’t be scary since the children who’d get scared bye the wouldn’t license to the lyrics

[@alexvaughan1013]

Kids of my generation seemed to like Green Day's American Idiot album, which was dubbed a "punk rock opera" by Green Day themselves.

[@maxhasproblems4885]

i would have JAMMED to rock opera as a 5 yo(how old i was at the time)

[@crashed_86]

That one Illumination employee after hearing Biggering: "Everyone, stop firing! We're shooting at our own men!"

[@nicholasmahoney7820]

Fire that guy.

[@JimmyBoy9878]

Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.

[@CallicoDude]

Friendly fire will not be tolerated

[@iamfanime2535]

“It was a misinput :0”

[@freshpetrichor]

EXCUSE ME I GET THAT AND IM SAD (Clone wars season 5 right- )

[@catharticgemini]

It would've been something SUPERB to have Illumination bring a story like this in the form of a rock opera with this track. Fuckin still think it rules

[@achillskeleton1200]

To be honest “biggering” creates more of an emotional impact than the entirety of the Lorax movie

[@RaspBerryPies]

Bro exactly! I mean no shade to “How bad can I be” on its own it’s not the worst song but it is literally feels so empty and meaningless after listening to “Biggering” the entire movie feels so empty. Like just listening to that song by itself Is it’s own story it’s so powerful.

[@qiwunu]

dude i would legit go back in time and pay them to keep biggering instead of how bad can i be

[@zer289]

@@qiwunu if you pay them to do the original script of the movie

[@Rurike]

I guess one good thing came from this movie

[@Nobody142]

@@RaspBerryPies Biggering is a horrible song lmao

[@devastation4529]

Not only is “biggering” a better song than “How bad can i be?” for the story, but i genuinely listen to biggering more often than the latter. Its slimily dark, hideously sick and yet such a banger. The line “Who cares if some things are dying” gave me chills when i first heard it.

[@L0rdOfThePies]

Fr the build up biggering has is insane, its so layered and insane

[@L0rdOfThePies]

@caitlyncarvalho7637probably? And its dark if you read between the lines sure. But its also easy to ignore that because of how it is just a short gag. why are you commenting about it on every thread lol we get it

[@Lov3lyMoon]

From what I can remember off the top of my head the Original Lorax Book was darker and had no O’hare. It was just the corporation, the consumers and the damage. Which is realistic,straight to the point and it was easy for kids to connect the dots.

[@skippy3607]

Bro didn't watch the movie if you think that

[@angrytheclown801]

​@@Lov3lyMoonYeah, O'Hare is movie only. Also, there is no neat little solution with a happy ending. The book and special show the dark full on, says there are no easy solutions, and ends with practically a whisper saying that it only fixes itself when someone figures it out and fixes it.

[@callum5926]

if biggering was in the movie the it would be interesting genre wise cause how often do you see a full blown rock song in kids movie

[@IcyDiamond]

Your profile pic is so cursed

[@gnarly.bulblax]

I’m not saying my pfp is good but yours is disturbing you

[@IcyDiamond]

@@gnarly.bulblax are you talking to me or him?

[@gnarly.bulblax]

@@IcyDiamond him

[@IcyDiamond]

@@gnarly.bulblax if I saw thing in real life I’d kill it

[@sodadrink8363]

as someone who admittedly likes both songs for different reasons (biggering is darker and overall better to listen to, but HBCIB is clever in more subtle and realistic ways), i've always imagined that HBCIB is the story told by the young onceler, while biggering is the story told by the older, wiser onceler

[@mossybeewasteland]

o the HBCIB is what the onceler had told ted, like the story he told ted while biggering was what actually happened

[@brittanynguyen3794]

“The song was too dark” Alex Hirsch wants to talk with Illumination

[@peakautism]

lmaooo

[@kitsuneakage22]

I M A G I N E

[@iker2333]

Its gonna get... WEIRD!

[@bett1826]

*just another goofy episode filled with silly jokes for kids*

[@TimmieLost]

It's too dark, you can't make money from dark kids' movies Don Bluth: Hold my beer

[@lbanana322]

In both How Bad Can I Be and Biggering there's the line "The lawyers are denying" which means the Once-ler must have had some base understanding of the damage he was causing or the lawyers wouldn't need to deny anything. It also shows that somebody cared if a few trees were dying and he ignored them.

[@soniakate6077]

I never got the impression that Once-ler is unaware of what's going on. After all, he's the one driving the axing-machine (or what's the name), he's the one releasing pollution (with a giant smile and urging to repeat after him!), he said "complain all you want it's never gonna stop", he commited charity fraud (there's no way he didn't know it was his uncle, just pause at this moment and look at the mischievous smirk he sends to the audience in that very moment), false advertisement, he lays down dozens of trees with his "axe" (when I learned the fact that it's a slang name for electric guitar it all fell into place!), the moment he locks Lorax in the back of his limo where he says "how bad can I be? Let's see!" Coming off more as a challengeat this point of the song plus that ingenuine "oops!" Of his He's very well aware of what he's doing, he just tries to convince himself, that what he's doing isn't that bad. Trees die every day, so what if I cut some? He's in denial because otherwise it would trigger his conscience so he constantly lies to himself. The way that the joyful music plays, with happy Once-ler singing that he's not bad at all, while in the background he himself (not someone else, he is shown to do all this) commits environmental genocide and how song goes gradually darker gives Once-ler psychotic vibes Literally his office has windows on the forest. He simply managed to convince himself that it's all good and he chose to turn his eyes away, because he didn't want to feel guilt. As the saying goes, out of sight out of mind

[@starlight8115]

@@soniakate6077 this has barely anything to so with what you said, but thanks to you I just found out that guitars are called axes, everything makes sense now, both within the movie and other references I've seen, such as Marceline's guitar being an axe in Adventure Time

[@soniakate6077]

@@starlight8115 I know, right? :D I was mind-blown too

[@whitneymouse]

@@soniakate6077 your analysis is close to mine. I understand people think the song didn’t go far enough, but I think the song they picked doesn’t fully absolve him. He is aware of what’s going on based on some of the lyrics, as you pointed out. I also think it highlights some of the bullshit tactics used to convince people a company is “good” vs. “bad” (ex. “A portion of proceeds goes to charity” without expressly noting what the percentage is, who it’s going to, if there’s a cap, etc. so you can never follow up if they ACTUALLY did it, the photo-ops with cute animals, etc.) I found it weird at the time that they had so many sponsorships for a movie that is supposed to be about conservationism and anti-corporatism. A small studio should try remaking it

[@jellifygirl]

I can't help but imagine the kind of effect Biggering would have had on the Onceler fandom if it were in the released movie tbh. The fic landscape would have gone HARD I just know it

[@zer289]

Literal

[@ross9944]

Oh my god.. imagine how they'd work the word "biggering" into their smut.

[@starlight8115]

@@ross9944 fr like it's already bad enough with the "how bad can I be", I would've jumped out of a moving car if I had read some onceler fanfic for the funsies to see what it's about and then it says something about "biggering" 💀

[@azula4786]

@@ross9944 i can imagine it. I can imagine it so vividly

[@tartaglia.]

@@ross9944NOOOOO

[@navy3001]

The best thing from the Biggering is.. "Greed is like a pet, the more you feed it, the hunger is gets. But you can't blame greed, he has a worm inside. A worm called Pride"

[@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17]

The concept of the Onceler always scared me as a child, because he didn't look any older than his mid 20s. It sent the message that anyone at any age could live to be the villain

[@nicholasmahoney7820]

That was the intent, but they screwed it up by making him a victim of peer pressure and ridiculously rushing his decent into greed and pride.

[@Shythalia]

Biggering actually sounds like a villain song.

[@MarksterC]

yea it honestly fits that cinematic more

[@OverZeelous]

Less Villain, more Tragic Hero. Unfortunately, Illumination didn't want that. For, one reason or another..

[@samyell1953]

@@epic35YT we watched different movies then

[@HanhNaTravisJaslyn]

eh, I don’t think that’s not enough proof

[@artificialcatvari]

@@epic35YT Bro. Biggering was never in the movie, and film making industries don’t just cut a fully animated and sung sequence after its already been released. That doesn’t happen. Ever. Quit your BS and stop lying.

[@traxstaromega3467]

In "How Bad Can I Be?" the Lorax is powerless, can't get a *single* word in. If Onceler is truly unaware what damage he's causing, its the Loraxs job to make sure he knows because then its a decision that's on Oncler's head. So for me, it kinda felt like the Lorax failed to do his job as a guardian, and as Onclers friend. In "Biggering" though, the Lorax is talking through mirrors and shadows, so the Onceler can't ignore him. Its completely Oncler's choice to destroy everything here because the Lorax isn't powerless in "Biggering. Tangent: I love the Loraxs talk on pride in this song, when he says the source of oncelers biggering is pride, and I really like to pair it up with a quote from Iroh in ATLA. "Prince Zuko. Pride is not the opposite of shame, but shames source."

[@ScionStorm1]

The talking through mirrors and shadows is an invention of the fan-made animatic. And, I think its setting the Lorax up to be a manifestation of the Onceler's conscience and regret rather than an actual creature. Like, there was never really any forest spirit, the Lorax was in Onceler's head the whole time- it was the very small part of him telling him what he was doing was wrong.

[@tsunertoo9149]

I don't think it was to represent the Lorax failing as a gaurdian. You can only do but so much. I think it was supposed to represent how big money treads on the little guy, ignores their voices completely, to the point they are basically drowned out.

[@redballoon9007]

I don’t think The Lorax failed to be a guardian. He had gotten through to the Once-ler before. But that was before his success started. He was so clouded in greed and his success was so rapid, The Lorax couldn’t keep up with him. It was sour if his hands.

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

"That's just not how it works" lol

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

@@tsunertoo9149 That was indeed the point, but the Lorax is no little guy. He's the GUARDIAN OF THE FOREST. He comes out of the stump with a blast of LIGHTNING. And what do we get when we want to see his powers shine? "That's just not how it works".... Oh, and he grabbed his booty and flew up into the sky. Wow, how truly awe-inspiring.

[@rondscha1203]

16:38 honestly I’m just humming biggering to myself everywhere. While doing the dishes, on the bus, I don’t care. It’s a masterpiece

[@xeoney]

"I don't want to hear your crying." is also a great lyric that portrays the Oncelor (or what he could've been, rather). He says he doesn't want to hear it, he doesn't want to acknowledge it. He's choosing not to. It really hammers it in more than How Bad Can I Be?, because its straight up telling the audience he doesn't care.

[@alexarubino3531]

exactlyyy and its so much more realistic than the genuine ignorance that hbcib onceler has. i like how the pause in the lyric “who cares if, some things are dying” could easily be hesitation that he harbours deep down about his morals and intentions. it’s totally the same idea of “how bad can i really be?” portrayed in a much more realistic way. hbcib paints the onceler as an entirely different type of “bad guy” because it tries really hard to hammer in the idea that he’s still capable of being a good guy, just one who has done some bad things without bad intentions, while the biggering onceler couldve easily been shown as a typical corporate bastard that /is/ still human and does care, however little, but just not enough to stop what he’s doing. in the way he’s choosing not to acknowledge it, he’s already doing more than hbcib onceler has

[@CheshireCad]

I'm sure that line made a lot of people shudder, triggering bad memories from their childhood. It feels like it was taken straight out of the mouth of an abusive parent. Because that's basically what big corporations are; An entity incapable and unwilling to acknowledge the consequences of its actions, given FAR too much power and responsibility.

[@imjustasconfusedasyou]

damn. thats honestly a powerful lyric just in general.

[@ahshhr3jeoapjfb3jejeee74]

It reflects ceos and companies aswell as it. No company cares about poverty nor do they want to hear people complain about it But they'll pretend to to get more publicity ofc

[@gamerprogamingyeet2753]

@@CheshireCad”boy stop that crying before I give you something to cry for”💀

[@chada4806]

Imagine if during/right after "biggering" you saw a young O'Hare steal a bag of seeds. And we're left with the realization that instead of planting trees and helping people, he profited off of other's tradgdy. And THAT'S where he gets his air from.

[@wandanemer2630]

What a plot twist that would have been!

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

That would have been awesome!

[@nimifisch.6134]

YES

[@pitchpetra]

Actually genius

[@warezz1743]

Comments like Þis make me want an actually good Lorax movie.

[@akhematon]

I'm shocked at the lack of "onceler fandom" references. good job

[@The_Sin_Squad]

Honestly, I feel bad about how much flack that fandom gets. At least from the outside, it seemed like a pretty un-hateful space, with a lot of people just hanging out and having fun! It also provided us with some great meme material lol

[@akhematon]

That's fair and honestly kinder than a lot of people are GFSHG My feelings tend to be mixed but I certainly appreciate the meme material .

[@Dewani90]

the only onceler I admire is the one from the original animated film, because he knew he was doing bad, never denied it, but if he stopped, families would lose their jobs, their incomes and will probably starve and die... decided to keep going for as long as he could... and in the end, there was nothing left... could have managed the resources properly... and was actually worried about the animals dying or leaving... but couldn't stop anymore, also he was faceless, that's what made me identify with him, because "he/she could be anyone"

[@justaloadofash]

Wait what.

[@AnEmu404]

(Pssst hey, hey, nice pfp, always cool to see ace flags)

[@Odd_Orion]

I always thought that they scrapped 'biggering' for the whole purpose of making good ol' Oncie a redeamable character and I don't think I was to far off, I'm still disappointed that they didn't put biggering in the movie because that song is an absolute ear worm that gets its point made.

[@maddiemorales1419]

Yea, I think you're probably right

[@glimmerpearl_]

They basically pulled a “Frozen” and had this amazing idea in the original planning and then scrapped it all for something mediocre for the end result

[@pcvrisepic]

Frozen is wayyyy better than this

[@angelicalivio5587]

Frozen (II, at least) is also way worse than what it could've been

[@absolite6]

I'd say it's almost the opposite. The writers produced Biggering and the other demo songs that hinted at a more cynical, darker tone and Illumination didn't like -because money- because kids wouldn't "get it" and the script was rewritten -because they felt called out- to make it more "relatable to audiences." Frozen's original concepts were more similar to the original story, with Elsa being the villain, Anna being more similar to Gerda from the original etc. But then they made Let it Go and they loved it so much they rewrote the entire first act of the movie and the character motives basically. (Side note: They already came up with the concept of Anna and Elisa being siblings before but the song cemented their decision) In other words it's because of Let it Go we got the Frozen we know today....

[@crystalanimates5858]

I agree with you. The original plot and the musical did better than the actual movie, and if the creators of the original musical (or someone new) do decide to make a frozen II musical I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out better

[@conic2721]

@@pcvrisepic Disagreed. I prefer this to Frozen.

[@chancebarker8129]

I just realized Thneed is a combination of the words: The Need, I never realized that until right now, so the people had The Need to buy more Thneed.

[@chancebarker8129]

Thanks for the likes never thought this would get so many.

[@Gray963]

Everything follows that naming convention. Like Whosit and Whatsit talking about being popular.

[@zokemon69]

You have opened my eyes

[@bradstercivic]

Thneed The need The need for speed

[@uniserenity1414]

Wow am I slow.

[@BunMun]

Tbh I actually kinda find “biggering” actually kinda catchy, I guess it’s just me but I rather listen to that then “how bad can I be”XD

[@iwantes6610]

It sounds so cool and dark and it really just hits differently

[@katrinamontoya74]

Not just you, I agree, I listen to biggering on spotify every now and then, I actually really enjoy how it sounds and I wish they'd use it instead of the song they changed to

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

It's really good. I'm no expert, but I think it's up there with some of the better, if not best, Disney villain songs.

[@surrenderyourgender5976]

I love it. Its cool and I like things that give me chills.

[@aarmolecules5491]

Aye, played it on repeat after watching this video

[@weirddood1774]

To be honest, I’m more confused on who made a song that goes as FREAKING HARD as Biggering for a company as goofy as Illumination!

[@susannagayi3031]

I listened to Biggering a couple of times, and also found the storyboard, and holy crap it slaps. It is exactly what Doctor Seuss wanted for the Onecler. It was the perfect interpretation. After witnessing that masterpiece, this movie is now considered a complete failure in my eyes. It had so much potential and yet it blew it, all in the name of money.

[@alejandropetit6573]

Seuss made a work of art to fight against an idea but it got remade and the message got ruined by the very same thing it was fighting against

[@TristicularTorsion]

_How ironic_

[@nicholasmahoney7820]

You are so completely right.

[@iancortescontreras6084]

why did many 2010 kids movies had to be musicals?

[@6Shots_ofEspresso]

@@iancortescontreras6084 idk, i guess bc they wanted the music to get stuck in the kids heads and theyd listen to the soundtrack more and watch the movie more

[@PhillyCh3zSt3ak]

Biggering sounds like something Jack Black would sing.

[@messagekid9651]

FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDIES

[@paultanzen9434]

@@messagekid9651 Pardon?

[@panigbrowardcollege]

paul tanzen ᖴḭvḕ nḭgᏲtຮ Ꭿt ᖴᖇḕḕḕḕᕍᕍᕍḭḭḭḭḕḕḕຮ

[@candicoated2001]

Finally someone else says it.

[@a.tired.gay2479]

700th like😳

[@cowboybarbaryn1302]

Imagine if the Lorax was Illuminations first movie rather than Despicable Me. The one they put all their heart into.

[@sahilhossain8204]

Yeah that will be very be better

[@zer289]

@@sahilhossain8204 certain

[@gagejohnathan9641]

Alot more of the songs would've been in line with biggering's tone.

[@Orng9987]

There's a world where illumination is on the same level as DreamWorks or Pixar, let that sink in, the creators of minions in one world are the creators of an excellent anti corporate message in another.

[@zer289]

@@Orng9987 in a parallel world or alternative reality illumination made the film with its original script the songs demos and biggering there is a great company at the level of dreamworks and pixar

[@tennisplayer3705]

i like to think that when the last tree falls and the onceler is looking around, looking devastated, its not bc he just is realizing he killed the environment, but bc hes realizing his empire is coming to an end and now he has to face the consequences he was trying to avoid (his fam leaving him, his power getting taken from him, etc.)

[@epikpapers1984]

Thats why companies replant trees everytime they cut a bunch down

[@Moonstar79]

The Lorax is the movie equivalent of “the sketch was better”

[@_xxsagecagexx_2088]

Yeah and frozen II

[@earthbornparanian6252]

Along with Big Fish and Begonia

[@accountlol7409]

Hello Neighbor was the video game version

[@mistermiss9093]

yes just yes

[@wtchysvto]

@@earthbornparanian6252 woah what's up with begonia? never got into it

[@thekingbutten]

Nothing changes the fact that they purposely left out a banger. That's the worst crime.

[@amyliaclenny1866]

What you're missing here is that *Biggering* fit the intended message of the *story The Lorax* so well it should be considered a crime it was purposely cut.

[@bdorsey19]

It’s amazing too, I searched it up and downloaded it to my phone it’s so good

[@thehumanflintfun9666]

For real. I thought Illumination's worst crime was creating the Minions, _but then I found out about Biggering..._

[@absolite6]

@@pearldab7781 Correction: It didn't fit *Illumination's* narrative of the Lorax story but this fit the original message perfectly. And that's precisely why they hated it....

[@TheBluestflamingos]

"A company's an animal, That's trying to survive, It's struggling, and fighting, Just to keep itself alive", freaking chills.

[@cloudiiblossom]

i liked scary things as a kid and there doesnt seem to be any blood so i would love it

[@jaykeii]

honestly this version of the lorax could work as a musical adaptation of the film or as a concept album speaking of concept albums, i love how biggering sounds and feels a lot like something from a pink floyd album

[@D3__]

If the Once-ler has a seed of the trees with him after all those years... why didn't HE just plant them? He's not a bad businessman, he's just very stupid. The customers kept saying "Yes. We want that"

[@thesillynugget619]

Yes. I even watched one of the film theorists’ vids ABOUT THE LORAX. Edit: I recommend watching it.

[@seraphywang4638]

@@thesillynugget619 I watched it and it made the movie made 99% more sense.

[@thegreatpapyrus3644]

@@fidluk2574 Good point

[@cullenlatham2366]

well, he does live in a wasteland all alone. he probably did plant his own tree, but knew one old man, especially the one who brought the fate onto the world, would not be enough to change things. (not to mention the time it would take to grow). The other option is that the pollution he caused has made the soil infertile, so he had to rely on a young pair of legs to let the seed grow up in fertile land...

[@dogethedog6347]

too late of saying this but the other problem is that a trufula seed takes up to i think 30 years in order for it be a fully grown tree so that would make things really slow and he might've been impatient about that

[@CouncilofGeeks]

I will dispute only one thing. The Lorax is not Dr. Seuss’ darkest book. That distinction belongs to the criminally under-read “The Butter Battle Book.”

[@rambletash]

What about Thidwick the Big-Hearted Moose? Most of the characters literally get shot, stuffed, and mounted by hunters at the end! There's an actual illustration of their dead bodies!

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

I read it when I was about 12 (via an iPad). The ending is dark but at the same time, ambiguous, even the cartoon adaptation doesn't help either since it ended the same as the book. If there is an animated movie adaptation based on the book, then it probably ends on a positive note to see which sides are gonna win. So anyways, I'm gonna get the bread and butter and put it into two together.

[@Tjnovakart]

Bro we literally analyzed that book in my world history class

[@spectre9340]

That book's ending was incredible. My small child brain couldn't stop thinking about it for days.

[@DamnQuilty]

Yes, that one is really dark. Both are quite dark. One can say that The Lorax is less so because it shows a glimmer of hope. While TBBB ends in an stand still waiting for disaster. I mean there you have the hope for the sides to stop but all the story shows that maybe that it is not possible. Meanwhile in the Lorax the damage is already done and the hope comes from what the future generations could do. So yeah. In that sense it is darker as you pointed out.

[@wafflkitty5001]

Not to mention that in Biggering, there's the line, "I don't wanna hear you're crying." It adds to the fact that he is aware of the pain he is causing and that so many things are suffering and he has the ability to help but chooses not too. Kinda reminds me of some modern day billionaires, no?

[@lovelessmik5127]

exactly right. he's consciously aware that he's causing pain but he decides to ignore it, he decides to not hear them, because after all, "who cares if some things are dying?", right?

[@Brazilsfirstcommiefemboyleader]

@wafflkitty5001 I know I'm extremely late but when that part came I had to pause because it hit home way more than I expected. Our ex-president, Bolsonaro, said something very similar when the pandemic was at its peak. On top of refusing to buy the vaccine and ignoring Pfizer email's for months, debilitating the universal healthcare care system, refusing to supply a capital city with oxygen, ending in mass graves, all the while promoting hydrochloroquine and ivermectin and being anti mask and vax. When we were approaching 300 thousand deaths he said in a official speech and interviews when asked about it "You are going to keep crying until when? This is a country of pussies, when asked about the mass graves " Why do you ask me? I don't work at the graveyard " I know this is kinda unrelated but still

[@grandempressvicky6387]

​@@lovelessmik5127especially since listening to their cries would mean stopping production thus ceasing his endless profits.

[@Whats9plus10_21_Ustupid]

*Cough cough* Jeff Bezos *Cough cough* Elon Musk

[@Popgurliess]

The How bad can I be Once-ler: Hey, it's not my fault a few trees are dying, my family forced me into doing this! Biggering Once-ler: I know i'm hurting trees, animals, and possibly human by doing this, I just don't care.

[@chantehr5748]

Biggering show the true nature of the Onceler. Especially the lines "I don't wanna hear your crying! It's all so gratifying!"

[@EurekaX]

There’s a irony in corporate greed cutting a song about corporate greed.

[@XMarkxyz]

... that cuts trees

[@lv4519]

It's called co-opting, baby 😎👉👉

[@sud1881]

That’s not ironic because it was completely expected. You know how because why would a massive corporation tell kids that massive corporations are only after money and will ignore any damage to the environment while in a pursuit for money.

[@magentasky234]

And then placing tons of sponsors from companies in the movie.

[@boop99]

That's not quite what irony is

[@EdJustEds]

If they ever do a Lorax musical, this will be in it. Mainly because musicals don’t give a sh*t about “how dark they are”

[@lovelessmik5127]

i think a lorax musical would be great

[@despaiirx5487]

IDEAS PEOPLE IDEAS!!! Wait I could have sworn I saw a Lorax Musical online…I dont know but YES I SUPPORT THIS IDEA!

[@EdJustEds]

@@despaiirx5487 There was one made by the Old Vic in London in 2015 but it was based on the book and it was a stage adaptation, not a musical and yes, “I may not have a brain gentlemen but I have an idea”

[@disasterducky]

As an actual musical the Lorax could have both songs and make it work, they're both good songs and they go hard for their own reasons but also with the amount of song reprises you get in musical theatre it wouldn't be that far fetched to say biggering could potentially act as a reprise to hbcib

[@berryheartz6015]

Yeah my brothers school musical did little shop of horrors, when the drama club kids at my school went to see it on their field trip they had to cut out parts cause it was too violent and now I see why after watching it there

[@evanweaver1060]

I kinda liked “how bad can i be?” because, in the beginning, the message is sort of “i’m not a bad guy, i’m just making some money”, but as it gets toward the end, the message becomes, “how deep can this deforestation rabbit hole get? Let’s fucking delve, baby!” Same question posed two different ways as the song goes on.

[@nicholasmahoney7820]

Yes, but doesn’t it seem like it happens too fast? And the Once-ler should know what he’s doing from the get-go. He can still try to justify himself without being somewhat unaware.

[@redactedoktor]

Maybe have “how bad can I be?” be earlier in the story when he’s wondering how he’s really the bad guy here after hearing the lorax’s protests and then a little later he gets big and then “biggering” plays.

[@johnmichaelmaala4782]

@@redactedoktor biggering has about the same lyrics so it wouldn't make much sense to have both songs

[@srt.daniel3901]

@@johnmichaelmaala4782 Só se o Ted ouvir duas versões da história, a versão de Thneedvile (how bad can i be) e a versão do Once-ler (Biggering). Talvez faria sentido se alguém de Thneedvile tentasse justificar o que Once-ler fez. E a avó de Ted pedisse para ele confirmar a história com o Once-ler, Once-ler fala a sua versão, e isso faz sentido, pois o Once-ler fala sua sensação de Crescer,Evoluir, BIGGERING!, Como se Once-ler não tivesse superado o gosto de crescer depois de muitos anos, e a letra repente a palavra "Biggering" toda hora, como se Once-ler tentasse explicar o que ele sentia quando lucrava, de um jeito delirado.

[@dannyblantom5243]

@@srt.daniel3901 makes sense

[@justsomeanimator]

Biggering wasn't too scary for kids it was too scary for the man in charge who would have been negatively affected financially.

[@RichConnerGMN]

nice pfp

[@cranberrythecat4555]

I came as soon as I heard - oh, the horrible horrible memories "and gave him a hipster outfit to appeal to the pre-teens" *Vietnam war flashbacks*

[@cushfuddled9154]

I am so sorry, Cranberry 😔 (Thank you for rewatching and reliving 2012 with me lmao)

[@zenmaster8]

all the way from subscriptions? damn

[@jenderjreggender7543]

onecest intensifies

[@twinkiesmaster69]

The baby is u

[@emtytyr6726]

The Hamilton fandom, though I adore the show, is terrifying.

[@charlottediaz2036]

I think the “all I ever wanted was the stuff I don’t have” fits waaaaay better with the story rather than some girl who is randomly obsessed with trees. The movie then does not only show the company’s side but also the people that buy the stuff. They should’ve done that with the song biggering. Idk if I’m making sense since it’s 2 am lmao

[@possums154]

no you make sense, don't worry

[@spiritsofwolves]

I agree

[@imjustasconfusedasyou]

yeah how tf did we go from “all of us, who are people and have emotions, feelings, lives, personalities, are to blame, and we need to all take accountability and work to make a change.” to “some manic pixie dream girl encourages a teen boy to meet some old ex billionaire who ruined the earth just to impress his family, the poor little sad boi🥺”

[@ultrachara2818]

Believe it or not, I seriously believe that "how bad can I be" and "Biggering" could've both been in the movie and still worked.

[@axelotl7411]

"How bad can I be" as prelude to "Biggering" would actually be lit

[@Topunito]

I feel like how bad can i be would have to be heavily tweaked to make it so that all of the development doesn't happen in it, and also to avoid the massive amount of reused lyrics

[@strangeandinteresting]

@@Topunito I see what you're saying about the reused lyrics, but I feel like in the context of the fact it's a musical, the re-used lyrics feel more like a dark reprise? Like, How Bad Can I Be is first, "Who cares if a few trees are dying?" and then Biggering is later and it changes to "Who cares if some things are dying?" and the plausible deniability goes. That line being repeated but different would emphasise to an audience that The Onceler has changed; Taken over by corporate greed that he was once naïve about.

[@locomotivetrainstation6053]

@@axelotl7411 yes

[@AriOrSomething]

@@axelotl7411 It would be perfect if they did this on top of spending more time on the Once-ler destroying the environment. "How Bad Can I Be" happening early on, and "Biggering" happening on the edge of environmental collapse

[@shaloein1784]

We can all agree that “how bad can I be” is so damn goofy ☠️

[@perdelkin]

Agree. I liked it until I listened to Biggering

[@waddledeeznutz6477]

I still like it but biggering is inherently better 😭😭

[@luminous.iolite]

imo how bad can i be feels like something you’d listen to/use ironically, you know, for the meme, whereas biggering feels like someone you’d listen to unironically, but honestly that might just be me

[@ickyvickyvee]

One thing I love about biggering is that the singers voice sounds almost hesitant, almost as if he's well aware of what he's doing yet still going just to fill the hole of greed, ultimately probably reaching the climax of the film where he gets struck by his actions, forcing him to see the idea "holy shit, I knew this was gonna happen and I should've stopped." All in all a fascinating song, really sad they didn't use it

[@cindersnowsMORE]

theres a little detail in the song where at first when the onceler sings, he says "and biggering is triggering more biggering" but later on in the song he says "_though_ biggering is triggering more biggering" like how he's realising that he's basically become addicted to biggering but for whatever reason he chooses to continue anyways (or rather he doesn't try to stop)

[@chantehr5748]

He knows what hes doing well

[@L0rdOfThePies]

Especially since the lorax tries to have a heart to heart with him about how his desire to bigger his company is caused by his ego. He is given a chance to realise he is at fault and heed the lorax’s warning but he ignores him and revels in his biggering until its too late. He knows he’s doing a bad thing but he does it anyway because its short term benefit is fuelling him more than actually help for his feelings would

[@jeffalbertson2213]

no not really, his voice isn’t that hesitant. the reason why biggering is more powerful is because you can tell (even subconsciously) that in biggering he absolutely doesn’t care and has 0 empathy

[@yeti_777]

@@cindersnowsMOREthat’s a great little detail and to me means that at the beginning he was actively pushing the biggering, but by the end there is no way to stop the machine even if he did want to, and I think he fully understands this, though he is still choosing to be complicit and go along for the ride

[@jodgee2374]

The movie screwed up by not making the Once-Ler the focus. He's a tragic hero, and tragic heroes are always the protagonists, the center of the story. Think Sweeney Todd or Walter White. Instead, he almost takes a backseat to the Ted and O'Hare stuff that nobody cares about.

[@vitormaodevaca8469]

tragic hero? the once-ler? i find that very hard to believe

[@alecLogan]

... Except both of those were examples of outright villains rather than tragic heroes, were they not? Or, what is it, anti-heroes? Anti-villains? Feel like “tragic hero” doesn’t fit any of them.

[@jodgee2374]

@@alecLogan A tragic hero is someone who starts out the good guy and then is consumed by their flaws until they are no longer the good guy. I was trying to name examples that people here would recognize. The Star Wars prequels are another good mainstream example, but those movies weren't very well done. (Lucas needed a script doctor, and he needed to give his actors some breathing room.)

[@dumpsterDeity]

Anti-hero more like

[@georgie984]

Jodgee it’s more commonly known as an anti-hero

[@animeveteran]

"So it's an anti-corporate message!" "That's good!" "But if the company finds out..." "That's bad." "We'll make the messaging subtle." "That's good!" "But it dilutes the original message!" "That's bad." "Then we'll just cut that part of it." "That's good!.... or is that bad?"

[@wafflebuddy0319]

This comment was a rollercoaster of emotions

[@cybernubmaster988]

Ah, I see another person of culture that watched Pokemon 2000

[@wafflebuddy0319]

@@cybernubmaster988 "Team Rocket is blasting off again!" -Team Rocket

[@puppetmaster1420]

Team rocket debates once again

[@TheXtremeBoltGuy]

Pokemon 2000 reference. Nice

[@katelyndombach4726]

Biggering is a great song BUT How Bad Can I Be is something that feels more like what individual people are like. Most people are blind to the pollution and environmental destruction they are causing. Yes by the time you get to that level it should be too much to ignore but its a movie so everything is escalated. Biggering is a villain song and I'm not a villain so I don't need to look closer to make sure I don't accidently do bad things because only villains would do that. But How Bad Can I Be and not noticing whats happening around you because everybody is doing it/encouraging it... that's real. The movie ABSOLUTLY should have shown more of the downsides to not having trees and nature besides just not having pretty things but I think the song was a good choice.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

_"I am the Lorax, and I speak for the trees. Save the Amazon, or I'll break your knees."_ *~ The Lorax*

[@twtlifesucks6354]

*lmfao*

[@a-s-greig]

Ah yes. The Millennial translation.

[@nexusyeen1481]

Lmfao

[@melioi_boi8766]

Holy hell why did I wheeze at this?

[@FriskyD.]

It took me a minute to realize this was about the rainforest

[@GoreGutztheImpaler]

The singer of biggering sounds like Jack Black. That would be so cool.

[@SophieCxt]

Fax.

[@phoebe5114]

I lowkey want a Panic at the Disco version of Biggering, actually...

[@carriemcmillan2996]

ye

[@SophieCxt]

YES! WE NEED PANIC AT THE DISCO! STAT!!!😌✌️

[@oofkillmeplease9237]

True

[@TennelleFlowers]

I only found out about this song a few months ago and I was so upset that it got cut, but yeah, not surprised. It is good to see that at least in some point of this production, an effort was made to make this story say SOMETHING...but man...ya just HATE TO SEE IT :') Excellent video

[@The_Sin_Squad]

IT DRIVES ME UP THE WALL...WE COULD'VE HAD IT ALL, TENNELLE!!! (Thank you for watching

[@leigh4656]

The song is a bop thooo

[@Wince_Media]

I did not expect you here.

[@pyrrhus1129]

@@Wince_Media Neither did I! Hi Tennelle!

[@arescle3147]

I haven't seen the movie for a while but I knew the song so u thought it was in it since it's fully animated. It gave a reality check hearing it wasn't

[@grayanddevpdx]

16:11 And the other also means he’s possibly admitting he’s killed animals or even people

[@Robin-yh2zw]

Biggering slaps so much harder than how bad can I be and I’m honestly disappointed in myself for not knowing about it

[@perkinsentertainment]

Same tho

[@loafnugget1]

I think how bad can I be was memed to death and back so much that it got rly old also it’s pop compared to classic rock

[@-.DIO.-]

How Bad Can I Be Once-ler: "I didn't know killing trees would destroy our ecosystem!" Biggering Once-ler: "I'm aware, yet I don't care."

[@whythis2341]

Well, in all fairness there IS a line in How bad can I be that went ‘Who cares if a few trees are dying.’ but it was like, near the very end

[@-.DIO.-]

@@whythis2341 Biggering Once-ler just seems to be MORE aware

[@whythis2341]

@@-.DIO.- yeah, you’re right

[@morkaaa4834]

yes, DIO should be dead... i think

[@johnmusgrave7990]

@@morkaaa4834 Only his *bone* was left alive. Just kidding, but he does have one of his bones left.

[@phari4820]

Honestly this could have been a great movie. In Brazil, where i'm from, Dr Seuss is not as known as in the rest of the world as an literature icon but i still know some of he's stories including The Lorax. A story about a man corrupted by power and money that ends up betraying his friend and cutting all the trees in the world? That could have been an amazing children's movie with a really important message, even more if it had an ambiguous ending like the book, leaving the choice of saving or not the planet to the viewer. But instead they went with the classic Illumination approach: The more money the better, creating a bland souless film that totally takes away the message of the original. It's not the worst animated movie ever, it's enjoyable enough for kids (i know cause 9 years old me really liked it) but it's sad that this is the one Lorax movie we'll always remember

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

I enjoyed the movie but Illumination is very notorious for creating such bland, soulless films (excluding Despicable Me franchise since it is better than the rest) for children. I wish the studio should take risks to tell stories that are realistic while being lighthearted and fun. I agreed that the Lorax (2012) did took away the original message of the book, and turned it into an absolute saccharine message about "saving the natural environment". While the movie is fun and all, the story about corruption, greed, and power that wastes away anything added the intense drama that makes the movie even more greater. In my opinion, I wish the Once-Ler should be the one who attempted to cut the last Truffula tree instead of his family (or in this case, one of his axe machines).

[@nerddevil8911]

ok, agora imagine Biggering em português. não sei se me deixa hypada ou se me broxa, a dublagem do nosso país é uma vergonha ;-; (olhando pra vc, mlp equestria girls)

[@phari4820]

@@nerddevil8911 Eu não acho que o problema é nossa dublagem, depende mais da direção de dublagem. Alguns musicais ficam realmente bons, tipo os da Disney que acho que conseguem adaptar relativamente bem as músicas originais. E tem outros que.......... (tô olhando pra você Steven Universe O Filme)

[@nerddevil8911]

@@phari4820 NOSSA, AQUILO FOI UMA VERGONHA ;-;

[@mq3427]

@@nerddevil8911 Na realidade a dublagem tá ficando meio meh nos últimos anos, mas no geral nossa dublagem em animações são bem boas Filmes da Disney sempre tiveram uma dublagem incrível, umas que mesmo eu amando filmes legendados, me sinto incomodada em assistir a versão legendada por que a dublagem é simplesmente perfeita

[@ZesTofthelemon]

To be honest I'm basically convinced The Lorax's whole deal after being dulled down from Biggering to HBCIB was to both promote the myth of plausible deniability and then paint the companies that got all those corporate tie-ins as the good guys by giving them the ""Lorax/Truffula Tree-friendly seal of approval"" - which, might I add, is one of the things that the song calls out along with "a portion of proceeds go to charity" - which turns the original message into "here, we're the good guys even though our own movie calls us out, and we severely dulled the message too to make it less obvious we're not actually the good guys while simultaneously making it catchy and marketable which is EXACTLY what the Thneed is!"

[@wend2.082]

If this song wasn’t cut.. I’d be in the Onceler fandom, no lie.

[@milkpup9201]

Me too and I h a t e it

[@maxhasproblems4885]

i hate the fact that i have to agree

[@dumpsterDeity]

Many good soldiers were lost...

[@amaturetv6954]

In a way we were "Scrapped" from the fandom

[@FriskyD.]

I'd probably in denial- rock opera is just so much more attractive than stereotypical theatre kid

[@cloegemmel7177]

Petition to put 'Biggening' into the inevitable Lorax musical

[@depressedtheatrekid1709]

I'D SIGN----- I was even thinking about it when she was going through the different parts of the original soundtrack.

[@FiSH-iSH]

yes

[@IcyDiamond]

What inevitable Lorax musical?

[@GalaxiaStars]

+Clue Gemmel Petition to force Illuminatoins to actually fully turn the original script for the movie with the Biggering into a completed movie. I'd pay to see that.

[@jdcantcounttothree6778]

@@IcyDiamond there's stage musical adaptations of pretty much everything, 80s murder movies, Jane Austen, Disney movies, horror movies, books I probably wouldn't have heard of if it wasn't for the musical, history, and the list goes on, so a musical for the lorax wouldn't be far-fetched

[@guste1666]

Why all the songs that were not included in the final cut of the movie are so freaking good??

[@moltendiamonds1567]

Because pop music suck

[@moltendiamonds1567]

S

[@aposterous4126]

Because they were afraid it wouldn’t appeal to the kidz Not that pop music usually does, especially in this day and age

[@loafnugget1]

They ones that weren’t cut were made to be catchy and they were very good meme material but the ones that were cut were made to linger in your mind and if you sing you got to sing it loud I am also realizing that I’m basically copying what she said

[@darkx6869]

@@loafnugget1 dude what

[@nikkilol]

so not only did they have a romantic interest, and some empathic backstory for the onceler,and the motivation for getting a tree was materialistic, oh and despite them saying they wanted kids to think that the people who caused climate change were real people like us, they made the main villian a person who was exaggerated beyond belief, from his appearance to his personality. i truly feel bad cuz its very clear that the writers intent was to go HAM on corporations but they got stopped by said corporations 😭