biggering but its only that one SUPER good part that makes you want to punt the lorax and do meth

[@CataclysmBTD6]

If he sang this the film would be redeemable solely on the sheer titanium balls on illumination for dropping this into a kids film

[@fourze6113]

Anti Company song on a company

[@rosssimpson1643]

Only problem is it could have scared some of the younger kids

[@fourze6113]

@@rosssimpson1643 well they should learn the harsh truth anyways is not like those kids got a trauma or something

[@kingofcrap4414]

The problem is that Illumination DOESN'T have titanium balls and are trying to appeal to the safest most mainstream audience possible, so they obviously would never use this song.

[@starrynight1165]

@@rosssimpson1643 well, that would be a good thing, would it not? climate change is a scary thing and should be portrayed as such. watering it down doesnt get the message across, at least, not as well

[@maeish9471]

Can yall imagine how much harder preteen girls would have simped over the onceler if he was a full blown evil villain?!

[@cloudiiblossom]

i mean it works in anime so why not??

[@nocknmae]

This is the only positive to this not making it in

[@Lou-yf1jo]

@@nocknmae no?

[@nocknmae]

@@Lou-yf1jo yes.

[@Lou-yf1jo]

@@nocknmae no.

[@planetpuce6971]

Quite a flex when your demo has an orchestra & a choir

[@omega1575]

it could not be fully realized without one

[@furiousstudios4438]

Imagine how it would sound in its complete version-

[@anib8863]

@@furiousstudios4438 I like to imagine machine sounds that go to the beat of the music.

[@danielladuck3323]

@@anib8863 I’m wondering if you can make fire even more fire

[@ALJ9000]

@@danielladuck3323 Just add lighter fluid

[@yetravellingsonc8372]

Everyone always says this should have been a replacement for How Bad Can I be, but consider; HBCIB is used earlier in the film as the Once-ler creates the company. It establishes him as slightly Naive but egotistical, having that same Pop tune that we got. Then, sometime later, The lorax sits him down, tells him to just stop. Then, we get this track to play. Not only would it better help illustrate the scope of the Once-ler's actions, but could also act as a soft reprise of HBCIB, showing how he leans further into his use of 'Survival of the Fittest' as a justification to his actions. Also, the "Who cares if some things are Dying" would hit harder due to a similar sense of escalation.

[@Sluppie]

Y'know... you have a point. Both would have been even better. It's not that How Bad Can I Be is a terrible song or anything. It's just sad that we didn't get to have what Biggering could have been.

[@itrashcant7947]

That's actually a genius idea.

[@dddmn]

I ALSO SAID THIS IN ANOTHER COMMENT REPLY SECTION JUST NOW LOL it works perfectly that way

[@Anonymous-wi6ig]

Yes I prefer HBCIB because it serves as a transition. In the beginning of the song, he’s more naive, and he progressively gets more greedy as the song continues.

[@Xeorboom]

yeah just move HBCIB further up in the movie and put this in like the middle while Once-Ler is at his peak also keep his face obscured

[@kieranlyon1643]

The fact that this song got CUT is proof there are some brilliant people at Illumination's hellhole crying out for help. We hear you, please come give us good media.

[@damienmggot.1369]

oh shit you're right

[@comfy88338]

Illumination does have talented people, look at Despicable Me 1 for example. It might not be the best movie of all time, but you can tell that they actually put effort into it, even watching it feels a lot different than the other Illumination films. I bet that if the Lorax was their first film, the chance of Biggering making it into the final product would skyrocket, I'm telling you.

[@noone3305]

@@comfy88338 they made despicable me, the minions became absolutely iconic and profitable, then the corporation realized they didn’t need to try anymore

[@hellbat9232]

The ones who worked on this also worked on Horton hears a Who. Then Illuminations scrapped like %75 of their work(Horton Hears a Who isn't a good movie btw)

[@pokaay3163]

@@noone3305 this was illumination’s villain origin story, because what the actual fuck are they making now? It’s complete minion oversaturation, like the onceler’s thneed clothing

[@maggotchowder777]

This song has no business being as good as it is

[@siyotsistu]

heh, "business"

[@maggotchowder777]

@@siyotsistu PLEASE THAT WASN’T EVEN INTENTIONAL AHAHAHAH

[@Freddyzazabear]

AYO THESE COMMENTS ARE RECENT

[@ruthcagnon4293]

Yes it does I LIKE IT MORE THAN HOW BAD CAN I BE

[@tnc7399]

This song has no businesses wanting it as good as it is.

[@lebird9724]

pov: you’re my family listening to me slowly getting addicted the lorax soundtrack again

[@Medi_Idem]

Pov: I'm your younger sibling getting addicted with you after you showed me the song

[@Aj_the_Mastermind]

Pov: I'm your dog joining in on the addiction and this becomes the only song I listen to...

[@TimberTiger789]

POV: I’m the spider in the corner head bopping

[@fungifrog3009]

POV: I’m the piece of Doritos dust on your face vibing

[@Aj_the_Mastermind]

@@fungifrog3009 lol

[@theclassfreakforever]

part of me forgot this song is 5 and a half minutes long, because I've had it on loop for about three hours now

[@onlookerofthings6029]

You know how if you listen to the same song long enough it starts to get on your nerves or just doesn't sound as good? Yeah not with this one

[@theclassfreakforever]

@@onlookerofthings6029 you can say that again 😂

[@whateveryouhearditwasntme4109]

yeah like in my head this song is thirty seconds long because I know it so well

[@gummidon1618]

@@whateveryouhearditwasntme4109 literally same

[@pepperpeopleee2397]

same tbh

[@gummygumdrop1516]

"I heard you scrapped biggering" "Yes" "Was it to scary for kids?" "No, it sounded to much like us"

[@omnihazzards]

Illumination was like oh crap, if we write a GOOD song about corporate greed then they'll discover were greedy too! We have to shut this down as soon as possible!

[@spinolover124]

​@@omnihazzards no not really I mean parents would probably try to cancel the Lorax for being to dark take a look at puss and boots the last wish

[@pef_v6107]

@@spinolover124 and their attempts to cancel the movie would do absolutely nothing, just like with puss in boots the last wish.

[@Tairex777]

​​@@spinolover124what happened to that movie?

[@spinolover124]

@@Tairex777 it was screwed over because it was to dark

[@Jaeeden]

Keep in mind people, this is only the DEMO. If this were in the movie for real, imagine how the OST budget could've been utilized to make the movie version.

[@estela654]

what are you talking about

[@Jaeeden]

@@estela654 Biggering is a cut song from the Lorax movie. The version that's available to the public is officially called a demo and is therefore technically not the final version of the song.

[@CapitanJorge24]

man i wish the finished version was made

[@estrella-om7tu]

In the song you can hear voices in the background (I don't know if you hear them) but you can't hear them because of how low it sounds. If it had been finished, those choruses would most likely be heard louder.

[@elver2218]

I wish i had the budget to make a full fledged version of this song with the original storyboard finished

[@ellie8272]

I think this part, especially the falsetto really captures the "high" of wealth and power. Biggering is a drug, and the more you do it, the more of a high you need. I think if the movie portrayed the Onceler as addicted to the high of biggering, and show the loss of touch with reality, loss of relationships, etc, it would create a really interesting narrative

[@ellie8272]

Though I also think that would lead to people being sympathetic towards him, which was the MAIN PROBLEM with the original. Destroying the planet is not sympathetic. It would need to be shown as a selfish, destructive addiction

[@violetbitch9492]

@@ellie8272 eh idk, I'm pretty sure people would be able to feel bad about how the biggering destroyed him and everything around him while also realising ultimately he's the cause of it all, especially because of how this song is portraying him.

[@ellie8272]

@Ty The Great Right right, I know the movie version is shit. I'm just saying that the way I would have done it could also be shit and it'd need to be changed or done carefully

[@ellie8272]

@Ty The Great The movie is corporate propaganda disguised as an environmental message. It humanizes big business, it validates tropes, etc. It's a bad movie. It could have been good, but a good movie wouldn't have got past illumination's censors

[@ellie8272]

@Ty The Great ...what? It's a product made by a big company, of course its message is gonna be pro big company. Do you seriously think they'd promote a message that goes against their own material interest?

[@superstar4069]

Honestly, I get why this got removed. BUT I HATE THAT IT GOT REMOVED IT SOUNDS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HOW BAD CAN I BE. seriously if you want a Villian you can't use some CHEESY type song, Biggering makes him sound Badass and like an actual villian like he's suppose to be seen.

[@ronicsawyer4423]

He is not a villian

[@superstar4069]

@@ronicsawyer4423 He's supposed to be seen as a villian, that's what I said- He may not be a villian at the end of the Movie but he had his time to shine-

[@insideurdad5263]

@@superstar4069 just my opinion, the lorax movie would have been so much better if the oncler was made out to be the big bad business man, that knows what he's doing, and lets the greed consume him, then as its too late, finally realizes his mistakes, and redeems himself

[@bananasinfrench]

@@ronicsawyer4423 he's supposed to be, but I'm sure the bigwigs at Illumination were uncomfortable at having a mirror held up to them

[@ronicsawyer4423]

@@bananasinfrench no...Even in the original history he is not that villian. We are the villian, he it's just a business man

[@comfyspecs9058]

It always kills me that this movie was supposed to be a super dark rock opera about greed and pride.... instead we got meme movie with Zac Effron and Danny Devito :///

[@futuristicgirl14]

Where’d you read that??

[@kassiekitsune189]

@@futuristicgirl14 the cut songs, especially Biggering imply that strongly

[@redqueen772]

And zac effron didn’t even sing

[@maefitzgerald4105]

according to some article I read, the original script was much darker compared to what we got but they had to scrap because you already know why.

[@crocketlawnchair259]

Don’t act like DeVito being involved in a project is a downside

[@bananakiwi8028]

Remember, the boy in the book never said “how bad can I be?”, he said he wanted to keep “biggering”.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

EXACTLY biggering fits so well w the message of the og novel, how bad can i be is catchy and the best song in the film (admittedly the others arent amazing) but it just doesnt fit with the original novel and its ideas whatsoever

[@Anonymous-wi6ig]

The fact that he believes he is good though is important

[@pinkmarkercat]

Omg as a prank I got my mom the lorax book for her birthday and when I saw that part I was like bro that's the main part of the book why would they change it in the movieeee and my mom just looked at me like wtf u talking about its the lorax it's not that deep 💀

[@imBleis]

@McStuda And in fact, "Biggering" it's a song that tells the people how greedy and villanous these big companies are

[@Meeshilin_Man]

​@@Anonymous-wi6ig No. That's infantalizing greediness. You know what you're doing after a certain point. Not "Oops! I destroyed the environment!"

[@klee_.fangirl]

I firmly believe Biggering is what actually happened, and How Bad Can I Be was just the story the onceler told Ted to make it sound a lot less dark

[@sleepingmothstudios8362]

Woah mat pat slow down

[@girlpower_gacha]

I agree ngl it makes sense

[@stealthlock6634]

That’s a nice headcanon, I’ll be taking that, it’s mine now you’ll never see it again

[@cyr0_gd]

happened where? i know this supposed to be some joke or conspiracy thingy but what tf that even mean. the book doesn't sing it and you never heard it on movie. its just a scrapped idea. kinda reminds me of that old "English teachers explaining how door being painted blue affects the narrative of story" meme

[@KingWasTaken_]

@@cyr0_gdit’s called a headcanon

[@viupcake8062]

God I am still so mad that a movie with an anti-corporate consumerism message got watered down for the sake of corporate consumerism

[@jumblezone.4779]

Fuck capitalism

[@theravenlordmasterofthevib8991]

Nah, more like fuck the people who allow it to go unregulated

[@concon09090]

@@theravenlordmasterofthevib8991 you mean the capitalists? who are in charge under capitalism? and who benefit from it going unregulated?

[@roseavara9682]

cause they cant deal with genuine criticism, capitalism requires a false veil of 'this is the best/perfect system' to satisfy the rich and pacify the poor

[@turtlie7309]

Movies are made for the purpose that it was against so its not surprising

[@moss2740]

imagine singing your lungs out and this masterpiece is replaced with how bad can i be

[@Freddyzazabear]

How bad Can I be is ok but this song GAWD DAYUM 😫🥵🥵🛐😍😞😞🛐😦😃😫😍

[@Winkiefacedd]

Yes

[@SkyPearlzG]

@@Freddyzazabear Honestly🙈

[@Protato_Gamer]

Imagine working so hard to create this masterpiece of a song and then presenting it to illumination and getting told, “it won’t sell as much merchandise. Make it more family friendly.”

[@beelzemobabbity]

How bad can I be hits... but like... this hits different.. but I can really see why. How bad can I be is definitely more catchy.

[@Nobody-mb5mw]

‘Who cares if some things are dying’ will always making me just want to scream in the best way

[@wabbit1874]

i would like however the counter is on 666

[@GiosANerd]

Even just a simple change from How Bad Can I Be’s “Who cares if a few TREES are dying” to Biggering’s “Who cares if a few THINGS are dying” means so much. It’s implying that not only are the trees dying, but it’s taking down a lot of other things like animals and other natural resources as well, as well as producing greenhouse gases. It’s so cool to see how a simple word change can mean so much in a song

[@JellyFishGell]

It's not even few, it's some. Few implies only a handful while some implies much more. God I wish we could've had this instead

[@gdplayer8768]

This song is literally the Hellfire of illumination

[@TheSimplePerson]

Indeed it is

[@PixelRockett]

And they didn’t even use it

[@Oskir_Schlickarsson]

More like hellfire is the biggering of disney. If this was in the movie it could’ve been the greatest villain song in history

[@frillydress]

@@Oskir_SchlickarssonIT WOULD

[@CoqueiroLendario]

WHO CARES IF SOME THINGS ARE DYING? i DON'T WANNA HEAR YOU CRYING! THIS IS ALL SO GRATIFYING!

[@mrkittens865]

By far the three verses that show the pure evil the onceler could've been

[@theflickchick9850]

Also- the fact that he says “who cares if some THINGS are dying” instead of “trees”...which implies that he means the animals.

[@CoqueiroLendario]

@@theflickchick9850 or the people that might die because of the pollution too, just like real-life corporations.

[@Fi6ment]

@@theflickchick9850 the fact that he even uses “things” adds to how little he cares as to what they are and doesn’t address them as living creatures (if that makes sense, sorry I’m writing this very tired lol)

[@astralbulldragon1397]

I think that if he went down a few notes at the last part of “Gratifying”

[@francescapecora818]

And the customers are buying, And the money multiplying And the PR people lying And the lawyers are denying, Who cares if some things are dying? I don't wanna hear your crying! This is all so gratifying... thats my fav part

[@wandanemer2630]

Bless this banger song

[@Itssmonnnn]

sameEeEeEe

[@Sleepy12ftPanda]

"Some THINGS are dying" He doesn't even consider his victims people anymore.

[@omargerardolopez3294]

*When the customers are buying

[@omargerardolopez3294]

@Virus yes, sorry

[@moosenman]

I swear they put coke in this portion of this song because every time I get goosebumps.

[@banananananana1]

imagine if they had actually put this in the movie and you would hear this part in the theater just all around you

[@sneakysnek572]

@@banananananana1 GOD that would be amazing

[@cloudiiblossom]

"coke" don't you mean cocaine?

[@cloudiiblossom]

@@banananananana1 if people invent time travel thats the first thing im doing

[@R0DBS]

@@cloudiiblossomsame thing

[@FailcopterWes]

The best part of this song for me has to be the little change in wording, from "I must keep biggering" and "Though biggering is triggering more biggering", to "I won't stop biggering" and "and biggering is triggering more biggering". It's almost like he has a moment of concern for where he's going but, makes the final decision to disregard his doubts and commit to being a villain. Also, the title of this video is just incredible.

[@cloudiiblossom]

just like in the og lorax where he actually shuns his conscience abt it

[@ambregille549]

Yes. Thank you.

[@kevinnigins9488]

@@Xeorboom ? No? That’s extremely stupid lmao.

[@Buggolious]

@@Xeorboom no

[@grimace3983]

the difference in the delivery of "the animal that doesn't winds up someone else's lunch" in 'how bad can i be' and 'biggering' is astronomical. in "how bad can i be," it sounds goofy but in this it sounds downright horrifying, and honestly it sucks we didn't get what the screenwriters actually wanted to make because it's so much more convicting

[@estela654]

the writers were excited about this movie but the company destroyed their fun.

[@maddiemorales1419]

In hbcib it sounds like he's only targeting the lorax, as in the lorax is the lunch whose gonna be eaten In biggering, it's sounds like he's targeting not js the lorax, but the forest critters too. He knows his factory is causing them suffering, but it's too bad cuz he's at the top of the food change and...well...who cares I they die?

[@FireryIcy]

I’m only 5’0 tall but this makes me feel like an unstoppable giant

[@beachbummer_]

MOOD

[@dax_enfinity]

@@beachbummer_ I’m 5’5 but same

[@butterlord-nq3ei]

I’m already 6’5 and it makes me feel 80 stories tall

[@pimposki6232]

funny, i'm 6 foot and it makes me feel like a 5 foot tall evil goblin man

[@CesarTorres-fu3nc]

Me who's 7'8: Fear me mortals

[@paigeyssims_2004]

"Who cares if SOME things are DYING!" "I DON'T wanna hear your CRYING!" This song SLAPS so hard

[@AbsoluteBeta]

Absolutely, I have this in my spotify playlist and anytime it comes I end up screaming the lyrics towards the end.

[@walkingarmageddon5479]

Ikr

[@Literallymarkiplierforreal]

That was a big difference in the one that aired and this one: “who cares if a few trees are dying” vs “who cares if some things are dying”

[@AbsoluteBeta]

@@Literallymarkiplierforreal Yeah and it makes all the difference.

[@Luigiofthegods]

HBCIB: tHiS iS alL sO gr-A-ti-FY-ing Biggering: 🎩 *THIS IS ALL SO GRA-TI-FYYY-ING* 🎩

[@ALtheBoi]

That *"I WON'T STOP!"* always gets me

[@HyenaBlank]

And the way they got it slipped back in again in the background chorus right after the "some things are dying' part

[@babymanter0936]

Let’s sing it from that part. " *I WONT STOP!* "

[@mysticmemer4887]

​@@babymanter0936biggering

[@TruxySSJ]

The "Who cares if some things are dying?" line is malicious The "I don't want to hear you crying" line is disturbing The "This is all so gratifying" line is downright psychotic

[@achannel467]

The best part about it is it is some “things” are dying, not how bad can I be’s “trees” that are dying. He knows he’s killing actual creatures.

[@kimpedchenko6426]

@@achannel467And, he doesn’t even care. By “things”, he’s referring to them as sub-life if that exists. Just collateral. Just something that is lost in his search for more.

[@redskeletonart238]

“I don’t wanna hear your crying” always gets me, who in their right mind would cut out a masterpiece like this

[@cloudiiblossom]

because it sounds too much like them.

[@Da-choppa]

Someone who fears the message of it

[@byronasaur]

illuminations advertising teams (mind you the lorax had 172 corporate tie-ins

[@jolynelovemail]

Late to the party, but do you think that corporate executives are genuinely in their right minds

[@plutonix5792]

If I remember correctly, "I don't want to hear your crying" is also in How Bad Can I Be, but it's sung in a much less... intense way. Hell, I think it's just spoken.

[@fanficAddict404]

High-key the best part of streaming services is that they could throw together a film based on the original plan for the Lorax, and if they actually go ham on the music budget I'm 100% sure if they go with clean story boards poeple wouldn't be mad.

[@fanficAddict404]

Like they just make it and sell it to all the streaming services for how it took to make the film and they would make back their film multiple times over

[@ponder_s]

that sounds POG

[@pepperonipizza8200]

I'm getting more and more confident that the Lorax got watered down more for its politics. Do you really think any elite would like a movie that called pride the root of all evil, as well as its main message being against "consoom product?"

[@pepperonipizza8200]

Don't forget the original Lorax was very conservative and took a heavy stance against progress and progressives.

[@HungerGamesFan00]

hell it could just be recreated as a passion project via youtube, script reconstructed, convince VAs to come on board with how itd be the platform's biggest, brightest star in the shitpost cosmos, use the cut songs instead of what made it in too the fullest extent, animate this bad boi in the vein of those Re-Animated megacollabs, it'd be a bitch and a half to finish but by golly hecking gosh on release it would hit the platform harder than my dad's belt mark my words

[@CocatGaming]

Biggering is the best cut song ever.

[@binoobear9607]

Agreed 100%

[@manessachehab]

1M%agree

[@dolphies4696]

Next to that one cut gravity fall song by lemon demon

[@Ahmad__Muslim]

@@dolphies4696what about it’s about to weird

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@dolphies4696 also yzma's deleted song

[@clottedscream]

The real reason they had to cut this song is because it made being an inhuman corporate huskmonster too sexy

[@doctortalisman9861]

this implies that if biggering had been in the film instead of how bad can i be then the onceler fandom wouldve been 10x worse

[@Avdeyy]

@@doctortalisman9861 its not implying, its straight facts that it would have

[@AP-sh3gr]

@@doctortalisman9861 was in the original fandom back in 2012. it's true. he'd be on loki levels of iconic villain if they kept this.

[@doctortalisman9861]

@@AP-sh3gr honoured to meet a onceler fandom veteran! and now slightly wishing that we lived in the canon biggering timeline so we could have this version of the onceler fandom........

[@CRAB_CRASHERZ]

Didnt stop tumblr.

[@Kimmie6772]

I still cant get over how much soul they put into this song. They must've really tried and wanted it in the final cut.

[@cloudiiblossom]

Then that one person said " HEY! doesnt that sound like us??" OK ITS TOO MATURE HEHEHE

[@anotherdnb]

HBCIB:"i'm just being something,y'know? There's nothing wrong with that,right?" Biggering: *"i'll destroy any lifeform who comes in my way to reach my objective"*

[@manessachehab]

Who is the HBCIB

[@ILOVEBUGSNAXS]

@@manessachehabhow bad can I be.

[@orionsarrow1025]

I can’t handle the *experience* of reading the title and description whilst “Biggering” plays in the background, and all the while, the onceler is smirking at me

[@vandergamer8682]

Same

[@dumbdumbproductions4912]

Cinema at its finest

[@moon4236]

This song would have saved the whole movie

[@wandanemer2630]

Absolutely.

[@_PurpleSky_]

No... But maybe it would have saved the onceler. (Sorry bad english :] )

[@francisconiltondefigueired8431]

@@_PurpleSky_ i have bad english too, but seems right

[@milli5968]

considering who made this movie it woulda been hypocritical and dark, which is why they watered it down. The message of anti consumerism got watered down for consumerism.

[@moon4236]

@@milli5968 How ironic

[@Skel_fgc]

That feel when Illumination of all companies makes a villain song not only on par with classic Disney, but exceeds most of them, and then just cuts it entirely in favour of something “investor safer”

[@urfavoritefurry4368]

It makes me so angry- like this could have gone down in cinematic history for fucks sake.

[@fitzgeraldsatori-gameplayi5552]

@@urfavoritefurry4368 this sums up everyone's feelings

[@IsisNiko]

1:17 Nine years later and this part STILL gives me chills. God I wish they had kept this in. How Bad Can I Be wasn't terrible, per se, but this is on a whole other level.

[@cloudiiblossom]

i mean it was a horrible song but at least kids liked it right. but i mean kids dont have taste yet so...

[@IsisNiko]

@@cloudiiblossom it wasnt that bad. just too upbeat for my tastes

[@cloudiiblossom]

@@IsisNiko its too repetitive like 75% of the lyrics are how bad can i be while biggering adds variety at more than the very end of the song.

[@themanbehindtheslaughter7633]

@@cloudiiblossom idk I like how bad can I be maybe because its fully fleshed out but it sounds way better and less repetative

[@springtrap6866]

​@cloudiiblossom I'm late, and I'm a fan of both, but you can apply this to biggering too. It keeps saying biggering and triggering.

[@fearsearcher7303]

I want a Lorax musical solely because it would be hilarious to have the Onceler as a tumblr sexyman for a second time

[@cloudiiblossom]

BAHAHAHHA

[@Aflay1]

“Punt the Lorax while you’re doing meth” Few words properly convey the ecstasy this song provides.

[@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853]

I'd replace it with coke-rich people's ambrosia.

[@maddiek8962]

when this song makes you feel like a disney villian: (edit: lhslghfslhLHLHLlhKJHFJH why are there so many likes on this wH-)

[@notasovietspytrustme4392]

It makes me want to punt the Lorax and do meth

[@juropol1s]

Hmm this theme sure is good Anyone mind if I um- you know, just chop down that lil tree over there. Yeah only one tree I promise

[@maddiek8962]

@@laikras thanks :>

[@WakerOfTheSky]

This song makes me wanna remake a great movie and make it bad only to earn money

[@pastelguts6182]

"Who cares if- some things are *_DYIIIINNNNNNGGGGG_* "

[@binoobear9607]

“I don’t want to hear you *CRYYYYYYYYIIIIIIIIIING* ”

[@tobyroberts4357]

“THIS IS ALL SO GRAAAAATIFYIIIIIING!”

[@cloudiiblossom]

they wasted his voice talents. in a '''MUSICAL''

[@johndoe-uz2kc]

This feels like a song which would be in a 90s Disney movie, back when kids movies weren't afraid to go dark to help get points across. A shame that now it's just about how many can watch it.

[@estrella-om7tu]

rather how much money you can earn regardless of quality

[@FlyingFocs]

Seriously, the fact that a Pink Floyd-styled protest ballad was even ALMOST in an Illumination movie blows my mind

[@inspectorjavert9868]

What's weirder is if you listen to the original songs they make all the Characters sound and look so different then what we got. So we would've gotten a slightly more mature movie judging from the old soundtrack. And O'hare sounded like an actual threat instead of a joke.

[@fitzgeraldsatori-gameplayi5552]

He is meant to be a Mafia boss in this so, makes sense

[@cloudiiblossom]

@@fitzgeraldsatori-gameplayi5552 woah we definitly need a remake that would make the movie better than someone who sells air and thats it but if he still sold it then he could cut off people's supply whenever he wanted and thats how he gets the murders done and he could write it off as a power mistake.

[@magicrainbowkitties1023]

To be perfectly honest I feel like what we got makes the entire thing even more insidious. They proved their own point

[@Anonymous-wi6ig]

But that’s against dr seuss’s style. Dr seuss has always been silly and kid friendly.

[@magicrainbowkitties1023]

@@Anonymous-wi6ig Have... have you actually read The Lorax? Those visuals get really friggin dark, man.

[@TheAmorable]

Imagine the Oncelerfandom if this was the actual song of the film..

[@ethanrapp6998]

Realistically it wouldn't exist because in THIS song the Onceler's actions are entirely built on selfish desire, instead of pressure from his family. He's much less sympathetic, but also a lot more believable, with his reason for expanding the company being "I need a bigger office, and I need a bigger chair". The Onceler Fandom came into being because they made him too lovable, the movie largely ignoring a big part of what makes corporate CEOs so detestable. It's not that they're in denial about the morality of their actions like "How Bad Can I Be" suggests, it's often that they just DON'T CARE.

[@TheAmorable]

@@ethanrapp6998 No no, but a lot of the Oncelerfandom was made because the Onceler is extremely cute (I guess???) and I can’t say his looks would ever change and plus this would simply be more fuel for like.. cringy “I’m not like other girls, I love the edgy Onceler cuz I’m just as edgy” energy type stuff. Sure it started with him being obliviously likable in the current rendition but I refuse to believe it was because of that and that alone, and not also the fact that everyone thinks he’s cute

[@ethanrapp6998]

@@TheAmorable I mean I guess it's a good point. I can think of several characters in media that people like because they're despicable, but fun to watch asshats. (Reaver, Bill Cypher, every classic Disney villain, ect.) Still, a fandom that understands that a character is definitely a villain and why, as opposed to one that defends the actions of a character representing inexcusable, serious, REAL issues, seems much more preferable to our current reality.

[@TheAmorable]

@@ethanrapp6998 True true, reminds me of Claude Frollo from HoND. No one liked him. ESPECIALLY for his defense of the cruelty of the church and the idea of genocide. But he’s also very ugly so I guess there’s no way to compare the idea of actually evil Onceler, because there’s no currently super evil and knows it, yet handsome villains. No. Bill Cypher will never count.

[@binah7744]

Ngl had this been in the movie I would’ve been into that fandom. I love a sick villain song

[@Channel-hb8vx]

Oddly specific

[@Shadowy_Cupcake]

But true!

[@maryam-np1tg]

and very relatable

[@codafett]

It's the part I like the most so I appreciate it.

[@stargazer162]

People often criticize this movie for giving the Once-ler a face and giving him more of a background, which is completely fair, but this song goes to show that this reinterpretation of the character had the potential to be good if only they had committed to the dark tone shown here. If this were the Once-ler we would have had, I think people would have been much more willing to accept it deviating a little from the source material.

[@JellyFishGell]

It'd also show that no matter your background you can end up selfish greedy and egotistical. This Onceler definitely could've worked if they stuck with the original draft of the movie

[@estrella-om7tu]

In summary, the film could have been incredible if it had kept the original script and the demo songs with their original ideas.

[@GumSkyloard]

​@@JellyFishGellBasically, power corrupts. No matter who you are.

[@steffen8982]

I can't remember where or who said it, but I've seen a few YT comments that suggest a really interesting idea for what they could've done. In the beginning of the movie, the Once-Ler is shown in full, with a face and everything, just as he is in the actual movie. However, over the course of How Bad Can I Be (or in an ideal world, Biggering), we gradually see less and less of his body, until by the end of the song, it's just the gloves, just like it was in the book. I feel like this would achieve the best of both worlds - Giving him a face and a body at first would show that this could indeed happen to any normal person, then by the end, the lack of any identifiable or visible face displays the notion that power corrupts, and that people's values can be eroded down by greed until they aren't "just" a person anymore, they are the corporate monster. They are the problem.

[@nmv6488]

If ever, for some strange, random reason, I become rich, famous and powerful, the first thing I’m doing is buying the rights to the lorax and this song to finally give the world the movie we all deserve.

[@gloomypink]

SAME

[@cloudiiblossom]

buy illumination

[@drquem4279]

​@@cloudiiblossomAnd that's Will be easy because they have The DreamWorks now

[@riymeep6708]

just make sure you don't end up like the Onceler

[@finacaddcadd1990]

please do

[@EldritchDoodler4828]

1:00 That little increase in pitch on “biggering” gives me friggin goosebumps every time

[@kalekoi]

this song slapped too hard and was too real, the company didn’t have big enough balls to drop it

[@aussiepuppet5250]

This song had no fucking reason to slap as much as it does.

[@moonamoonz]

If they kept with the original plot and darker theme, this movie wouldnt be considered a joke, but a masterpiece.

[@estrella-om7tu]

the movie could have been amazing but illumination ruined it

[@Cappuccino_Rabbit]

Ironically, illumination getting rid of it just proves the song's point

[@cheesychi8317]

The heretical chanting and the gratifying after he says he doesn't want to hear crying. It's just a such a good song that can only be sung while screaming

[@owolivia]

The way I knew exactly what part

[@fairytalesim7153]

What I love so much about this osng is how evil it sounds. It actually sounds the same as the message it's sending. How bad can I be doesnt really do that.

[@kuromatsu4840]

Exactly

[@bypy3544]

How bad can i be i think its just something he makes up himself to distract him self and the others who may question him about his evilness, he didnt want to think

[@egg6144]

I’m in love with the “Biggering” Onceler not the “How Bad Can I Be?” Onceler. He’s got some strong vibes that I would’ve loved to see more expanded on.

[@junezdollhouse]

"Who cares if some THINGS are DYING" is so much more impactful than "Who cares if a few trees are dying?"

[@ramskin7756]

"the company is an animal. that's trying to survive. it's struggling and fighting, just to keep it itself alive." I love this line so much because of how humanizing it is. It makes us see that through the onceler's eyes, his company deserves to live and flourish just like the animals that (used to) reside in the fields.

[@PixelRockett]

He’s also victimizing the company, framing it as a poor weak animal that NEEDS to do what it does just to stay alive, when that’s not true, it’s perfectly fine, but he just wants to continue biggering

[@toby9753]

is it just me or does he sound like jack black lowkey

[@voismic9034]

You're on to something!

[@mint7442]

Why would you say this, my life is ruined

[@toby9753]

@@mint7442 is it bc im right

[@mint7442]

@@toby9753 yes you are 100% correct and it’s the worst

[@jeanmichellelaurent]

Lol It does sound like Tenacious D

[@mustbebold8788]

This is so ironic.. the song talking about killing things for money... This song was scrapped Because even though it told the message of the lorax and the greed of the world incredibly well, it was "too real" for children. So they swapped it out. So they would make more money. 🤦🏽

[@Olmeuu]

Its probably because it would be hypocritical for illumination of all animations studios to add such a realisting view on corporate greed, which is exactly what they are.

[@lakeswirl6985]

videos that fill you with a strange sad yearning to be in the reality where they used this instead of how bad can i be

[@elemomnialpha]

I think they should have used both Have Biggering be a dark reprise/answer to How bad can I be Biggering supports the message better if they make the Onceler more relatable first to show that "people like you can do things this bad" Or since the flashback is a story being told by the Onceler he wants to make himself look good at first, blaming his family and claiming ignorance with HBCIB then later in the movie we see Biggering is what actually happened

[@govnorelven4036]

Nah having both would have a bigger punch. Biggering being a dark reprise since the first song was all playful and unassuming.

[@estela654]

@@thedude42 I think the same thing having both songs would be quite long, also the two have similar lyrics, it is better that one stays instead of both songs

[@gummygumdrop1516]

"Who cares if a FEW TREES are dying" "Who cares if SOME THINGS are dying" HUGE DIFFERENCE

[@TheSimplePerson]

Well yeah, with the first one it’s just talking about the trees (no duh) But with the second one it it’s talking about both the trees and animals who called those trees home

[@BrodyAlsonze]

@@TheSimplePersonand sometimes people, pollution and corporate greed does have the power to kill humans

[@maddiemorales1419]

One line suggests plausible deniability, the other absolutely does not

[@ciangriffin9630]

the contrast of "Who cares if a few trees are dying?" and "WHO CARES IF, SOME THING ARE DYIN'?"

[@sydneybeaa]

They took this out of the movie? THEY TOOK THIS OUT OF THE MOVIE?!? I now have a few Ceo's I need to have a 'casual' conversation with

[@darrellmckrell2713]

May i suggest using an Uzi, two Desert Eagles, and Tony Montana's little friend?

[@_username_unidentified_6478]

And thus, I simp for the onceler once again.

[@Gayandgayerrr]

I simp for the onceler but only specifically for this song like i dont even like the lorax that much 😩

[@Propman365]

I want to go to the universe where we got this movie instead. I wonder what illumination as a studio would look like? (probably way better)

[@-hello6177]

My bet is it becomes like the simpsons, it is hailed for doing things differently but eventually it burns out and falls hard becoming much worse than current day illumination Or it is called hypocritical and the movie flops all the same

[@darrellmckrell2713]

@@-hello6177 Illumination, a company that's DOOMED to flop harder than a dying whale.

[@StickminDude2.0]

Illumination would still look terrible regardless of this song

[@LofiboiGoOof]

How bad can I be makes ya hum the tune ... Biggering makes you yell the lyrics with passion

[@kathrynb3632]

Who cares if SOME THINGS are dying vs Who cares if a FEW TREES are dying That part always hits me

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

honestly that one line being changed shows the major difference between these songs, biggering shows a legitimate threat to nature and society as a whole while how bad can i be downplays it and makes it seem like the onceler isnt that bad

[@bloodhoundini]

POV: The wealth and power has gotten to your head, the voice of reason has tried just that: *to reason with you* for countless times but to no avail, all the money, the respect, you're on top of the world. The world in which you *own* all to yourself and your huge success. There's no turning back, no matter how much you try to convince yourself, the voice of reason has since disappeared from your mind. You've made your decision, your choice, the choice you thought- you THINK is right! You pay little thought of the potential outcome, the loss of nature's beauty, the many animals that have left their former home after what you've done, the many people that'll end up suffering from all the smoke, chemicals and oil. You're far too gone to even care and realize. "Who cares if a few things are dying?" *You've just kept Biggering*

[@EtamirTheDemiDeer]

_Achievement unlocked_

[@absolite6]

"Progress is progress, and progress must grow"

[@depataducky305]

@@absolite6 I believe that's a line from the original 1972 cartoon right?

[@ILOVEBUGSNAXS]

@@EtamirTheDemiDeerEnding Completed: “Biggering.”

[@beathecat6604]

I’m so mad that illumination can actually make good things but scrap them to make cheap profit. It’s almost like they don’t care about the inevitable harm they are doing, only making their company bigger so they can have more money.... hmm. Reminds me of something

[@elemomnialpha]

Wait what harm are they doing? I thought the whole problem with Illumination is their refusal to rock the boat and them trying to be as milk toast as possible to not upset people and make money Isn't intentionally staying mid only hurting themselves not others?

[@Alexthefish1583]

@@elemomnialpha I don't think it's so much as illumination as it is it's parent company having plausible deniability

[@unicornman147]

@@elemomnialpha I guess you could argue that it's hurting people by depriving them of good, meaningful storytelling by trying to cover all bases instead of daring to have a specific target audience. They have the talent, as this song shows, but for some reason they're afraid to take a risk. Good creativity isn't safe.

[@estela654]

@@unicornman147 from what I saw they did show that they can do quality things (like their first movie, and this song) but they don't since they stopped trying it after the success of their first movie (my favorite villain) they saw how they can earn money without try hard, it's sad since illumination have talented people who want to make good movies but don't do it for that reason

[@Profile__1]

This movie really shouldn't be happy. In the original, the book ends with a super ambiguous note and doesn't promise anything. Just a single seed, but at the same time who knows if he plants it, or even if he plants it will it grow properly? Will something happen to that seedling? Etc., etc. This song definitely sounds appropriate based on how inevitable it sounds, like some massive, surging tidal wave of industry sweeping over you. It's unstoppable once it's begun, and the only thing you can do is just hold on and pick up the pieces afterwards.

[@estrella-om7tu]

I saw that this song was going to be the final song of the movie in the original script and it would end like the book with an open ending

[@hiiloveu1521]

​@@estrella-om7tu WE COULD'VE HAD A MASTERPIECE... AND WHAT DID WE GET???

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@hiiloveu1521 This becomes more depressing when you hear the deleted songs and the concept art implying that the writers wanted to be faithful to the book, had good ideas for the plot but Illumination forced them to make the plot we got, wasted potential

[@SkyeVolt]

This song shows a MUCH better villain and how menacing Oncler and perfectly represents the original but the much more light hearted “how bad can I be” allows the Oncler to be more redeemable in a way since it makes him seem more arrogant and ignorant of what he is doing rather than he where this Oncler knows damn well he’s ruining the environment

[@estela654]

He knew what he was doing but he didn't care instead he enjoyed it

[@jasminelee1909]

Biggering has the same energy as Hellfire imo, you just get so swept in the manic madness of the man as he's gripped in the throes of his greed, pride, and lust.

[@DORSIARESERVATION]

biggering makes me want to get up and do things

[@kartangi8282]

if those things include overthrowing capitalism i’m in

[@binoobear9607]

I’m all about ANTI company consumerism until this banger starts playing.

[@cheddarsunchipsyes8144]

@@kartangi8282 for what? Communism?😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😾😾😾😾😾😾😾😾😾🙀🙀🙀

[@galaxycakee]

Hate the movie, like the shit posts, *love this song*

[@bloodhoundini]

Same

[@absolite6]

Sums up my feelings pretty well too..... (Added with the book was better as well)

[@michaelaftoninamaidoutfit1051]

The movie wasn't even that bad, it's just a M.E.H

[@galaxycakee]

@@michaelaftoninamaidoutfit1051 ok thats your opinion

[@WarmLusamine]

Like the movie, don’t care about the shitposts, *love this song*

[@redlineriot1955]

Do not drag me back into the onceler fandom do not do not do not do NOT THIS IS SO GOOD I HATE IT

[@CarelessFoolFallsFlat]

"Who cares if...some things are _dyyyyyyiiiiiiiiing!_ I don't want to hear you *cryyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiiing!* This is all so gratifyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing-" Those are some of the most awesomely sung lyrics I've ever heard, and they didn't even make it into a movie I'm never going to see.

[@BrokenFingerParadise]

It's funny, it's been so long since I've watched the Lorax and listening to this song I assumed this was actually in the movie. That being said I guess it doesn't seem like a different tone to the rest of the movie so I guess I could see why it didn't make it in. That being said with western animated films starting to embrace a slightly darker tone (spiderverse and puss in boots) I wonder if a darker lorax could work as a movie. I mean it's not like global warming and environmental issues have lessened significantly to not still be an important message.

[@SonGok11533]

Fr, didn't knew you liked this song too. W

[@faresalsayed9005]

The lorax was originally meant to be a much darker film one that actually respected its source material but illumination wanted a movie that would appeal to more people and thereby bring in more profits so it ended up being changed to what we have now

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@faresalsayed9005 Listening to the demos of the songs (not only Biggering was removed) gives you an idea of ​​what the movie was originally going to be like.

[@mer6264]

Bruh I miss the well written villain songs like hellfire 😭

[@estrella-om7tu]

@@mer6264 We could have had another villain song at the level of Hellfire but Illumination snatched from us what could have been

[@fireliliu]

I absolutely love the solo at 1:38! It just goes very high and ends abruptly, like an industrial machine stopping because the very last batch of material has finished manufacturing. It's sort of obvious after you know how the story goes, and that's why I love it. Edit: Aside that, I just love the song! It has that raw and industrial feeling that matches well with the story. If this was just the original demo, what would a finished version sound like if it hadn't been scrapped?

[@switchblade6]

"Yo this is a kickass song, scrap it"

[@starspeculation]

No dislikes yet. I guess everyone got what they were looking for.

[@darklex5150]

Well 2 people didn't, still pretty low.

[@HanDaKilla]

3 people are uncultured

[@breadcypher5728]

There’s 4 dislikes who tf is going here and disliking this shit?

[@robin-nu7zu]

those four people must have been jamming too hard and misclicked, it’s the only explanation

[@moony2543]

21 now

[@imacommenter1255]

I love how bad can I be but this sounds so fucking good. Like, it doesn’t sound like an animated movies song, it sounds like just a legit song and it’s really good

[@susmodeus]

The audacity to take this eargasmic experience away from us

[@reece_.]

I'm moving to the reality where this song is in the movie, who wants to come?

[@wandanemer2630]

Make room for me, please!

[@furiousstudios4438]

Great. Missed my chance. *you’ll get em next time…*

[@your_local_luxury]

Me pleas3

[@Vera-od4hp]

i hate how GOOD this song is like i literally listen to it unironically 😭

[@cloudiiblossom]

ikr WHY DID THEY CUT IT sure it talks abt companies just wanting money and that is bad so they probably cut it for that but WHY!

[@teiyusteki]

Bro same and I don't even LIKE this movie 😭

[@happyday4793]

How

[@FlailSnail222]

Ed Helms was too good for that movie.

[@WhaleManMan]

Ed Helms didnt sing this tho

[@peakautism]

@@WhaleManMan they never said he did

[@ExcuseMe1]

@@peakautism that seems to be the implication tho

[@1dayclean582]

@@WhaleManMan he didn't sing this? Huh?

[@lauravturner]

I wish Lorax was actually a rock opera, rather than a generic pop-y mess.

[@justanotherschmuck4149]

that little guitar riff at 0:02 is just eargasm inducing to me.

[@whateveryouhearditwasntme4109]

Me, alone in my house: I DON"T WANA HEAR YOUR CRYYINNN- *my vocal chords snap from trying to get the vocal fry thing*

[@absolite6]

I can sing along to Disney/musical songs fine but I joke you not, this song is a lot more difficult to sing than one might think.

[@limespots]

@@absolite6 THEN HOW THE FUCK CAN I SING THIS WITH EASE

[@absolite6]

@@limespots Meth?

[@limespots]

@@absolite6 I wish, I can sing this song easily if I drink water

[@onedoesnotsimply7375]

God, just imagine if this song had made it in and the rest of the movie had followed suit in terms of tone. We could've gotten a genuine masterpiece of a movie with dark, actually thought-provoking themes and messages that called out corporate higher-ups for what they are. Instead we got a lighthearted comedy flick for children because that sells better, a decision made by the very people this movie was trying to call out. I'd laugh at the sheer irony of it all, if it wasn't so sad.

[@estela654]

the saddest thing is that the people who made the movie wanted to make it true to the book they were passionate about making the movie but they destroyed its fun, the demo songs tell us that the original plot was going to be deeper and more realistic and the message was more direct and better, It's sad how they destroyed the movie to make it a lighthearted comedy

[@TheFakeTeo]

The simple part of this version “who cares if some things are dying” compared to “who cares if a few *trees* are dying” speaks volumes in the sense that the Oncler, consumed by his own greed and pride, does not know the full effect of his actions and is still trying to justify his actions by undermining them.

[@notafbiagent473]

I think it's funny that the song about knowingly being a terrible, harmful company was removed by Illumination. It's like a self fulfilling prophecy.

[@WhoTookSpecimen]

I can't be the only one who's let quarantine get to myself so badly that I've started to relive the crush I had on the Onceler.

[@cloudiiblossom]

its because of this song... right?

[@willguillen9402]

They shouldn’t have dulled the message down for the movie,the stories were more dark

[@honeybee908]

My life has not known peace since having found out that we were ROBBED of this MASTERPIECE.

[@poptartcatz4032]

there are very few songs in this world that really pull me in deep with its meanings and instrumentals and this has got to be on the top of the list. seriously. every change in the backing vocals and instruments and the final bridge just all comes together and you can feel every single movement in the song. i don't know if i'm even making sense at this point but holy shit does this go hard. the last notes at the end being light and soft contrast with the rest of the song and it works so well because you're kinda being pulled back to reality.

[@poptartcatz4032]

and the guitar solos god don't get me started on the guitar solos i am frothing at the mouth

[@absolite6]

@@poptartcatz4032 On your last point, someone did make a storyboard of this song and as it comes to an end Once-ler finally looks at the destroyed valley with a look of horror and realization of what he's done.

[@calzoneyyy]

and it’s JUST A DEMO. imagine if it was allowed to be a full fleshed version

[@sh0ut0]

_Yes, "Who cares if somethings are dying" slaps hard. But, "I don't wanna hear your crying" slaps MORE harder_

[@el_ioa]

they rlly dropped the best villain song in cinematic history and didn't even use it in the movie