Muslim TikTokers Tell Us Not To Talk About Morality!

[@le_med]

The two women;s arguments were painful and idiotic. Gosh that was sad

[@MrAkm1984]

They said “delete your Tik Tok” lol Even when they’re trying to make a point they can’t help being supremacist. Great response to those lost souls bro!!

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

That was directed to Ayesha Mohammed (InfidelNoodle)

[@ramabapat]

It’s a little sad that the women lack fine skills - they are just going by what they have heard within their close-knit (supremacist)circles. KZbin is their only way to get exposure and education.

[@bamboo1763]

i guess that tiktok is the proof that women has half the common sense of a man seriously that really dumb

[@apostate424]

These two young girls, Tik and Tok, should read the Quran.

[@josephbernardfernandez6286]

Should call this two Tik &Tok sisters

[@rossini55]

Or are they Gog and Magog?

[@iamdoctorcat6347]

Does they understand Arabic?

[@fsociety401]

They don't care, didn't you see the evil in their eyes?

[@Timeren2010]

Never underestimate the power of indoctrination from childhood. Its a very forceful thing, and hard to rectify.

[@gr8life12]

"No Muslim takes you seriously" yet they're responding to the video!🤦🏾‍♂️ Insufferable Karens.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

Exactly. Karens here has no meaning to them. Muslimah is the word to describe trapped birds.

[@ybram1171]

I was scrolling down the comment section looking for this My exact comments too But you hit the nail first...😆 😆 🤣

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

hahahahahahahah

[@InfidelNoodle]

Their video was made in response to my TikTok about atheism - which that had nothing to do with them, nor was it focused on the topic of morality. I'm not sure why they went out of their way to find, watch and respond to a video that wasn't even directed at them. Then they throw in that no one takes me seriously and I should delete my account. Hypocrisy at its finest 😅

[@ybram1171]

@@InfidelNoodle wasn't they responding to Mr. Abdullah Sameer?? edit: I went to channel and watched a bit of your video WOW!! What a miracle aisyah!! 1400 years ago I saw you were a little 6yo girl Now you are a grown lady...😆

[@AndrewMartinNZ]

The morality argument always works, because Islam is morally inferior. Use this LOTS, and WIN.

[@inyourface7498]

Morality is bought these days like you buy groceries .

[@AndrewMartinNZ]

@@inyourface7498 Please continue describing your poor choices in life.

[@SAGKavin]

As per rules sanity, Mohammad has no morality. Welcome to Al-Itslame!

[@inaaranur1611]

@@SAGKavin Most anti Muslim rhetoric is based on Hadith and not Quran or a Hadith bent interpretation of Quran. And often ex Muslims are raised on Hadith as are most born Muslims. Only some look further that Hadith and even reject Hadith

[@SAGKavin]

@@inaaranur1611 what about quran? Quran also has gross immorality propagated by Mohammad's alter-ego Allah? Example 1: Mohammad allowing himself to have sex with any Muslim women, whenever he wants - Qur'an 33:50 Example 2: Mohammad alloweing rape of married war captive women who's husbands are alive. Qur'an 4:24 Example 3: Mohammad giving in to lust and allowing himself to marry adopted son's wife. (Marrying 4 wives no example needed, marrying daughter-in-law example must be given) Qur'an 33:37 Example 4: In order to marry Zainab, Muhammad abolished adoption and all the goodness that came from it. Qur'an 33:4-5 If adoption was going to be abolished anyway (Quran 33:4-5), what was the point of Allah revealing Quran 33:37 in the first place? Example 5: Mohammad shown partiality to his wives. In the story of Sawdah bint Zam’ah who WHEN SHE BECAME AGED, THE Mohammad WANTED TO DIVORCE HER because she is not attractive anymore, but she made peace with him by offering the night he used to spend with her to A'isha so that he would keep her. Mohammad accept and asked alter-ego Allah to send SMS allowing him to show partiality. Qur'an 4:128-130 Also he can postpone (the turn) of any one you wish from among them, and may accommodate with you any one you wish. And should you recall any one from those whom you kept aside, there is no blame on you. Qur'an 33:51 I believe in a God who is justice, who makes no exception for any, including his prophet's. I don't believe God can be partial, allowing partiality to satisfy one man's sex fantasies (even though he is his Prophet). If God is great, no one can out think his morality, any sensible person will detect immorality in the above situations. In that case, either Allah is not God, or Mohammad used name of god for his sexual perversion as an excuse. Hence without hadith also Mohammad, quran, Allah can be proven to be evil. I sincerely understand your position sister, being born and lifetime raised in a faith will make it difficult to see the problems, if you give a honest thought about this, you will know the truth. There is a good God out there, who's name is certainly not Allah. Come out of Al-itslame, if you want to talk to me, you can let me know. You can challenge and debate me if you want.

[@Google_Was_My_Idea_nr.1]

As an agnostic atheist I can say; my morality has higher standards than a theistic dogmatic morality, this is because in my morality I take the wellbeing of every human and the environment in consideration, the theistic dogmatic morality is only based on a certain group (cult), time and place 👍🏾

[@風-y3v]

Hello! If you are willing can you give me an example of what you are talking about? And no im not muslim, im a christian

[@Google_Was_My_Idea_nr.1]

@@風-y3v Thank you so much for your question 🙏🏾 For instance; you would do something moral because one of the main reasons to do good is to get to heaven. If I would do something moral then the only purpose for doing so is to help someone else without any expectation for any type of reward. It comes down to the end goal and/or purpose for doing what you (or I) would do. Is that satisfactory for you?

[@風-y3v]

@@Google_Was_My_Idea_nr.1 ahh i get where you're coming from but i would like to add my own opinion. I dont speak for all the Christians in this world but i can speak for the bible. The bible doesn't teach us that bcs if you do that then that means your only motive is to gain favour and to look good. Jesus condemns this action. I'm not trying to preach but god knows whats in your heart and he knows your intentions. Plus for Christians you're not saved by good works. For islam then yes it is a point based system whereby your good need to outweigh your bad. But honestly i dont think people who have religion do good things for the sake of it. Maybe the people you're around with are like that but so far i hate yet to meet someone that says to me "do it so that God can praise you" hehe. But i respect your opinion. Thanks for answering

[@svensvenforkedbeard170]

There is a famous story my dad told me as a young man (for perspective we are both Christians) to remind me (as a religious believer) not to look down on others. There is a class, being held by a theologian; a famous scholar. In this class the students are all Christian but they see they have many non-Christian friends, so what does one of the students do he says to the theologian "teacher what is the point in the athiest, the non-believers" so the Theologian looks over, he smiles and he says: "When the athiest does something good, he does it because he is good. He doesn't do it to be good because he is religious". He goes onto say "use the athiest, the non-believer as an example; do things not because you are trying to be good for G'd, but because they are good. G'd gives us the athiest to remind us not to be good soley to be religious but to be good."

[@TheUnplannedLove]

“Agnostic” means you are unsure about the existence of a Creator. “Atheist” means you hold the belief that there is No Creator.

[@الشيخالدكتورنسيتاسمه]

I used to be like those two, A cute Muslim, I had my own version of Islam, then I started learning العلم الشرعي , I couldn't believe what I was reading. Several months later, I left islam.

[@RustyWalker]

Behaving a certain way because someone said so is not morality. It is ironic that these people have said to you not to discuss morality when what they do is not morality, but obedience. If someone obeys every command of an all-good leader because they've been told to and no other reason, are they being moral? No. They are being obedient. This is why when we switch all-good leader to all-evil leader, we end up with the Nurenberg defence of "I was just following orders." Those people in those trials were obedient to an evil leader, and we have no difficulty at all in seeing that they themselves acted *immorally,* and recognising that obedience is not a defence for bad actions. To be moral, one must *understand* the consequences of one's behaviour and actions, and one does *not* need to be a believer to do that. We should *expect* that, most of the time, people who have thought about morality and who want to maximise good behaviour, compassion, and empathy over bad behaviour, the causation of suffering, abuse, manipulation and so forth, will come out with very similar values, *whether or not* they are religious. This demonstrates that we have *sufficient* reason to describe morality without even considering the question of whether God exists, and thus, God is not necessary for morality. What a belief in God *might* do is instill the belief that one's actions are being watched and judged, and this belief may be powerful in societies where law enforcement is lacking or corrupt, thus is symptomatic of a much greater social problem. Where law enforcement is active and corruption is minimised, belief in God drops. The knowledge that we watch and judge each other, and that there are consequences or rewards for behaviour is sufficient to explain moral frameworks.

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

Well said Rusty!

[@Gdotdot090]

Morality is Objective - This is the premise leading to religious folks so unabashedly and over confidently assuming higher moral status And in my opinion, that kinda premise is just a clichéd bandwagon mimicry. Morality is never objective. It's often needs and circumstances, that leads to Morals of the time What do you think?

[@RustyWalker]

@@Gdotdot090 We needn't commit to the statement that "morality is not objective." For instance, we can evaluate the cost of something like theft. There is the replacement value of the item, but there is also the time of the police and their attendance and subsequent reporting, the hunt for the perpetrator, and if they're caught, the costs of taking them to trial. All of these are objective costs of theft. But this speaks to the *illegal* action rather than the *immoral* action. For it to be a deterrent, we consider the cost to the perpetrator and try and work out which punishment fits which crime. This is measurable by results. If we have a punishment, and there is a reasonable expectation that the punishment will be enacted, how much does this reduce crime compared to the absence of punishment? If the effect is significant, then the cost of this moral decision can be objectively quantified, albeit that we arrived there by a process of the consideration of the costs of an *illegal* action. It is not always the case that an illegal action aligns with an immoral action. Political prisoners might have taken a *moral* stand, and are being punished by a system for speaking out *against* injustice. This is (or can be) an example of an illegal action that is moral.

[@brianbouf8303]

I see big brain here, well done sir!

[@Gdotdot090]

@@RustyWalker Interesting. I guess that's how penalties to deter illegal actions, are arrived at. Probably also the procedure used to determine those so-defined-as immoral actions as illegal actions Morality can be quantified, true, since every transaction has its intrinsic economics. And that begs the question, is economic quantification objective? Cost, the $$ value is in itself objective only if the value of the $$ is objective. And we well know it isn't. Ecnomics of morality, are time & place bound, as economics itself is time & place bound. For instance, economics of theft can lead to different punishments in different economies, for different genders, for different age groups and that is "unfair" lol (Stealing a chicken 1000 years ago could have called for the death penalty, today most of us might just forgive the very same act. However the value of a living human today is (probably) just the same as one that lived 1000 years ago) Something objective, is "absolutely true" at all circumstances. And must hold its truth independent of other factors, at all times. With such objective position placed on morals, it can be concluded that something immoral MUST be illegal. However, as you pointed out something illegal isn't always necessarily immoral

[@le_med]

I also love that they respond to you but also say that they will not listen to your response. Clearly they are unwilling to listen to arguments and you only act like this when you know you have a weak position and don t want to risk it In essence it is childish

[@lupen_rein]

In essence these ARE children. Tik Tok is a platform mainly used by adolescents, and they are likely no different. They just spout the prejudices their da'i, their imam and their parents and family told them. None of them likely even know atheists.

[@jimdooher6818]

Put up to it by others?

[@1354pj]

I like how the Muslim hornets nest has been ruffled by you all! Hats off to you all for really teaching what islam really stands for! Salute to you all!

[@le_med]

It is immoral in the USA to forbid women from leaving the house alone It is moral in Saudi to forbid women from driving, leaving the house and not wearing hijab (I know driving has improved) Hence morals are not objective but subjective to the country... what the f is so hard to understand about this? When I look at these two women I can hear them screaming in their mind: WE ARE MISERABLE AND YOU SHOULD BE MISERABLE TOO

[@seemoon7652]

They look miserable. They most miserable looking identical twins I have seen.

[@marc3dartist601]

Reminds me the nuns we had in the past. Miserable, angry, control freak, wanting to drag people to their level, all with a broom in ass...

[@marc3dartist601]

@Jamal Ramadan yep

[@sidney6021]

@Jamal Ramadan indeed Allah is true when he says in their hearts is a disease and Allah increases their disease and a painful punishment awaits them. Lot of them hate islam because the women are not walking around naked for them to lust after.

[@sidney6021]

@Jamal Ramadan No because you can't see what she looks like.

[@androiduser3991]

Chicken defending KFC.

[@prolgbt_exmuslim7976]

Haha a good analogy

[@fatmaramadan6928]

Those 11 herbs and spices look eerily like a hijab.

[@pastorsex6639]

Bwahahaha nyahahaha

[@MizzSVP1]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@uptothetime6348]

When it will eventually end up frying there🤭🐔

[@nayanmalig]

for Muslims strict Islam laws are fine - as long as they are applied to others

[@laurameszaros9547]

"...This is the first and last time we will be responding to you..." Sounds like an admission of defeat in advance. People who feel truly confident of their positions are happy to engage and exchange.

[@rossini55]

Yeah, running away from a response.

[@etistone]

Muhammad was the best man who ever lived and will ever live according to himself. Check mate atheists.

[@puraLusa]

😂😂😂 Never thought that one. Good one.

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

hahahahahaha

[@rossini55]

Second best..... after ME of course. ;-)

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

He isn't related to Trump is he? :)

[@Timeren2010]

@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar if narcissistic dysfunctions gives some relation, then yes. Definitely.

[@cpsaleemyt]

Will Muslims accept the "objective morality" of Jesus or Hindu Gods ? Definitely NOT ! neither will Christians and Hindus accept the "morality" of Allah ! so how can morality be "objective" and "God given" if it depends upon which GOD one worships !

[@Lathi33]

There really is no objective morality, that's why theists redefined the term tobe situational objective morality, as their objective morality changes according to the time and situation.😂😂 Also the point they make is they have someone else making the moral points for them. That doesn't work, because anyone can say something and say theirs is objective because it's came from another source or their god.

[@denissaldanha9798]

Does Islam own morality

[@fatmaramadan6928]

@@Lathi33 The fact gods from different religions and regions dictate different moral codes begs the question. Did man insert his own moral code into their regional god myth, or are there several gods with different moral codes? Or Was man created by a god, or did man create gods that reflected their own vision of how a society should be run?

[@Lathi33]

@@fatmaramadan6928 you want the easy answer or the complicated one?

[@fatmaramadan6928]

@@Lathi33 Your choice. .....

[@ScienceTech-Fan]

Great reply Abdullah Sammeer. Some religious people go as far as to say that there can be no social order without religion creating fear. My public speaking professor at the time even though he was not a muslim used the moral argument against nonreligious people so much. Like I said before our morality should be based upon the maximization of human wellbeing and the minimization of human suffering. Our morality should be balanced. Our morality should be based upon honesty, loyalty, and the things that cause fear or suffering like genocide, murder, betrayal etc. should be considered bad because they harm human wellbeing. Most people even some believers when you ask them that why do they take care of their children, why do they form trustworthy relationships etc. The reason why people form trustworthy relationships is because it contributes to the wellbeing of those involved in the relationship and trustworthy relationships do increase human wellbeing. We are not nice to people because god forced us to at least most people would not say that. We are nice to people because we want to be treated like that also, we are loyal to our friends because we want to be a good friend but also wanting the same thing in return benefitting both parties. The reason for the rise of excessive selfishness in western world is mostly in my opinion due to the culture of excessive individualism. I am only against excessive individualism not individualism because a society that does not have certain extent of individualism is an oppressive society. I believe like I stated before that we should have a balanced morality. The reason why I stress the importance of loyalty and honesty is because it is undervalued in our society today. Sometimes I feel that when religious people can't fill up the intellectual holes in their religion they bring up the morality controversy, and some will even go as far to say that we can't have public order without religion just to save their religion. And obviously we don't see that in the world. . Religious countries such as Somalia,Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. have a very high violent crime rate, high corruption level etc. and countries that are secular like Germany, Switzerland etc. have very low crime rates, and also lower corruption rates than many religious countries. So the morality argument against nonreligious people is flawed and invalid.

[@romanbrandle319]

I would suggest that we don't say "they wanted to sleep with their slaves" , we can call it what it is "they wanted to rape their slaves", and rape is immoral and very Islamic.

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

I have to be careful how I say things on KZbin remember?

[@ChrisPBacon-vq9hn]

@@FriendlyExmuslim you could say "they wanted to force them into having intercourse/sex"

[@romanbrandle319]

@@FriendlyExmuslim Yeah fair enough , no I forgot , so not fair keep up the good work .

[@JohnStopman]

@@FriendlyExmuslim Can't you say it like this: 'wanted to have forced sex with their slaves'? Or isn't that allowed either?

[@mattcred]

Really love both the quick answers in your tiktoks and the long form videos like this. I have been ex Christian for around 15 years and I am always trying to expand my knowledge about other religions. Thank you Abdullah.

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

This form is definitely my forte. Thank you!

[@smlanka4u]

Well said.

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

Thank you

[@smlanka4u]

Sometimes modern scientific discoveries and researches explain about morality too. Thank you.

[@marc3dartist601]

@@smlanka4u In Islam, they need Surah 33, verse 53 to explain morality... 🙂

[@smlanka4u]

​@@marc3dartist601, Yes. But it is not only a problem with Islam, and sometimes Christians are same too. However, maybe they will do anything to go to heaven.!

[@marc3dartist601]

@@smlanka4u Probably yes!

[@TheMagnificentGman]

The Prophet Mohammed said "After 9 is party time" Sahih Breyani

[@cantonese8085]

😂🤣PMSL

[@applegirl1791]

gosh.. so awful 😂🤣

[@fredodonnell3323]

Why is the subject of morality so difficult for ppl. Relig ppl say we can't have morality unless we are handed it by a deity. Really!?? Morality is subjective in a contextual sense if we agree that morality includes principles of harm and suffering then our conclusions I'm respect to these objectives is objective. We can say stealing is immoral but when it's to feed a starving child then it's ok? How about killing one man to save ten. Or killing or murdering to put someone out of their misery. These are LAL situations which need humanistic sophisticated approaches not the dull and naive offerings of religion.

[@Bolsonaro_em_Haia]

You can almost feel their fear of real questioning across the camera. I feel for them. Being socially pressured into declaring the Qur'an as a valid source of morality is indeed scary. And I have to assume that at some level they are not so casual about commiting defamation in Allah's name against atheism and atheists as they attempt to appear. Lying to attain social acceptance is still lying.

[@girthyjacob2630]

Amazing video again Abdullah, I never knew such dilemma existed it really was interesting to read, keep up the best of work king!

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

Much appreciated

[@nayanmalig]

Those who live inside plastic bags should not throw morals at others.

[@aqilyusri132]

I love it when someone wants to mock other religion, they will use flying spaghetti monster as an example.

[@aretha6360]

This is gold. Thank you!

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

You're very welcome!

[@RustyWalker]

(You come to this point a bit after I wrote this) I'm halfway through where you introduce humanism. There's a growing shift towards sentientism or ethical veganism, but all that means is that we become aware that we are responsible for the consequences of our actions on all sentient organisms, especially where they have comparable pain or pleasure responses, not just humans. Humanism is valid as a description of how we interact with our fellow human beings, but there is no *logical* stopping point at the species barrier that means we _shouldn't_ continue to extend those values to other organisms that have the same characteristics. We stopped previously because of, for example, our evolutionary programming to seek what's best to maximise the survival of our own species and for humanity to thrive, but we are not limited by our programming. Our values and frameworks extend beyond ourselves, just as they extend beyond our family unit, our tribe, our ethnic group, or our country. There's no logical reason why we should arbitrarily stop at "species."

[@RustyWalker]

@noorsulaimani Veganism does *not* deny "humans of nutrition." It promotes finding alternatives to animal sources of that nutrition.

[@brianbouf8303]

@noorsulaimani you can get vitamins b12 from supplements.

[@rossini55]

Surely 'Morality" if it is to mean anything useful, should boil down to Well-Being. If someone's definition of Morality does not include well-being as at a least a main component, then I don't know when they are talking about. If your definition of morality is necessarily based on the whims and desires of what ancient mystics wrote in some old book, that IS subjective.

[@風-y3v]

Ahh okay guys, time to live along the morals of those living in the 7th CE :D

[@MrTobias990]

thx for your great video! And i learned about a new hadith.

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

Glad it was helpful!

[@user-sb2lc4kc9z]

And they think their's is not subjective. We say ours is subjective and try to come to common terms relative to the time we live in. Not like the absolute morality of warlord.

[@adelinachernykh8114]

Look at their faces.. there is no emotions. Like they are robots

[@swagathswasa9776]

When momo says to al-lah change the rule, al-lah says yes ok.

[@Timeren2010]

Indeed, Allah was Muhammads favorite right-hand-man, a formidable assistant. Its funny in a tragic way, that so many muslims cant see it for what it was, a probably charismatic cultleaders grasp for power and self-justification.

[@defeathypocrisy1496]

child marriage was not allow for the older man Abu sufyan was swearing to him.

[@kaloarepo288]

The example of Abraham(Ibrahim) comes to mind -God,in both the Bible and the Koran commanded him to sacrifice his son(Isaac/Ishmael)Abraham knew it was wrong to do so according to human morality but God's morality over ruled this and he proceeded with the request until stopped at the last moment.I think that religion inspired morality is the least objective type of all -you can use it to justify anything -burn witches and heretics,kill apostates.It was the secular morality of the Enlightenment which put a stop to these practices.

[@dimitri3638]

So the story of abraham is what Christians follow? Lot had children with his daughters, do we follow his action? So if the Catholics burned 'witches' Christianity allows that....?

[@dimitri3638]

Don't put both religions in the same category. It shows how ignorant you are that Islam ain't an abrahamic religion.... Its a cheap copy

[@RustyWalker]

There's an interesting take on that when you view this as literature rather than history. There *had* been child sacrifice in the Levant (and elsewhere), and then it stopped. If you are a writer living after it had stopped but don't have access to much information in the way we do today, what are you likely to do or to appeal to by way of an explanation? In my opinion, this type of story fits very neatly what we could _expect_ someone _might_ write to try and explain why their people didn't sacrifice children if you knew that sometime in the past, people in the land had, and some tribes still had not given up the practice. You don't need God to be real to try and make some sense out of the motivations behind many (and by many, I mean all I can think of), of these stories.

[@motmot2694]

The first question to pose is what makes something moral?

[@asadmalik2464]

Religious people always think morality is given by God when it was something we as humans evolved when we moved to agriculture and realised we had to protect each other for the best chance of survival

[@puraLusa]

Actually most rules we today consider imoral and were once (some places still defend them) defended as very moral came from the hierarquy of the first agricultural societies.

[@asadmalik2464]

@@puraLusa morality evolves over time though

[@puraLusa]

@@asadmalik2464 and sometimes changes completely when something new is found. I agree I just think that most of what we see as wrong stem from 1st agriculture civilization culture and not from before, the gatherer civilization culture.

[@LaloTrevi40]

As a Christian Catholic in the 21st century, my Glory is that I am objectively or subjectebly able & to do or not to do. I think what I am as an individual human going to do.

[@dustmasterflex1541]

Catholic? My condolences.

[@تَرَدُّدْ-ي4ل]

Those two girls are really definition of we are right bc we say we are right

[@jimmyshrimbe9361]

Awesome video!

[@tamilisch]

Absolute great answer to the dumb twice 👌🏾

[@ramabapat]

The world is trying to find it’s new level because until now, people lived within their own socio-econo-ethno-religious communities. The difference is amply clear in the way the two women were speaking, totally devoid of exposure to other ideas and even uneducated about their own scripture. It’s going to take a hell of a time to bring all people on the same plane of understanding. Until then, conversations are going to remain dumb.

[@cgortz89]

So much of this talk is just so logical and beautiful! You have a new follower!

[@Kazuma-des]

I received "wahyu" that having sex slaves is wrong

[@Anshuman566]

I haven’t heard one word uttered so many times in few seconds

[@amandadarkwood535]

Exactly! Agreed with everything!

[@fpcoleman57]

You have explained very well why I think female genital mutilation and male circumcision are immoral. They cause harm for no justifiable reason. Also the child cannot consent.

[@medullary8476]

Adam's son and daughter breeding with each other ... Allah : nothing at all Later Allah : " ˹Also˺ forbidden to you for marriage are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your paternal and maternal aunts " - Surat Al-Nisaa 23 Hey Allah stop being subjective ... Oh Allah stop being an atheist ...

[@mustang6756]

Is daughter in law not included?

[@medullary8476]

@@mustang6756 Duaghter in-law is included What's not included are cousins and adopted children (although adoption is forbidden in Islam)

[@mustang6756]

@@medullary8476 so when the prophet marry the wife of his adopted son was still ok or completely immoral?

[@medullary8476]

@@mustang6756 Before Mohammed married *Zainab bint Jahesh* (the wife of his adpted son Zaid bin Haritha) before that Adoption was completely Halal. But when Mohammed saw Zainab's beauty when she was light on clothings "Allah" immedietly revealed the verse which permitted Mohammed to marry Zainab and forbade adoption forever. The verse is *Al-Ahzaab 37* (or 33 : 37)

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

@@medullary8476 Well actually the wording in the Quran means you could easily interprete it as having exceptions for the "no incest rule" as either wanting a set period of time or not having guardianship of the women in question depending on the exact relationship. I thought banning incest would be out of character for Muhammad and the Quran so I checked myself. Considering how subjectively you have to interpret the Quran anyway, you can easily justify incest with it.

[@iranpop80slover]

It really looks bad for muslims that we need to explain these basic things to them

[@saranoor2635]

These poor ladies were caught while young. Strongly brainwashed.

[@afzetgrow9474]

I liked that he also criticised usa

[@Vlogs_Dharma]

You have very intelligent points ..

[@henkh63]

Subjective morality is still morality...

[@sidney6021]

Except I guess when the person is muslim.

[@Magical24]

Speaking with anyone who believes the answer to all question is Allah, is a fools errand....

[@Mulhid_Al_Islam]

Tik Tok is haram 😝😜🤪😛

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

hahahaha

[@Mulhid_Al_Islam]

@@FriendlyExmuslim 😛😝😜🤪 both of them are jahil and will never never dare read quran, hadith, tafseer sira and sunnah with TRANSLATION!!!! I dare them!!! 🤪😝😛

[@chrisazure1624]

Is abortion moral? Who's well-being is elevated over the other? Is it the temporary well-being of woman or the actual life of a child? How does the humanist struggle with this dilemna?

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

Good question. I would look to ethicists to answer that. I think most would say the mothers right comes first upto a certain point. Late-term abortions are obviously not a good idea

[@chrisazure1624]

@@FriendlyExmuslim But I am asking you. How do you elevate the mother's temporary inconvenience of pregnancy to terminating the life of another human? What criteria do you use to determine early vs later term abortion. Why is the latter not a "good idea"? What is the criteria to determine if a pre-born life has rights?

[@chrisazure1624]

@Jamal Ramadan I think that is a valid reason, but an exception does not set a general rule. The vast majority of babies are delivered without threat to the mother. And we have a very safe method for delivering a child that threatens a mother late in term that preserves both.

[@bcmanjunath8465]

@@chrisazure1624 I am a doctor from India, let me explain how it works here. There are certain criteria to do abortion. 1. Pregnancy endangering the mother's life 2. Child likely to be born with serious ilness or deformities 3. Pregnancy due to rape...etc And it is allowed in early pregnancy,. usually within 20 weeks. Also, it is the doctors who decide whether you need abortion or not. Otherwise it is illegal.

[@chrisazure1624]

@@bcmanjunath8465 Those may be your laws, but in America the woman can chose any time and for any reason. #1 I agree with. #2 is denying humanity for a human life just because of dis-ability. #3 is a tough one, but rape does not make it a non-human life.

[@leklektan1358]

The argument by these two women shows that this religion can turn an otherwise smart person into a non thinking being . a idiot. a moron.. and is good that you try to rescue them by reasoning

[@kadnan6111]

well they are choosing to accept islamic morality and not jewish one and they think they are some great

[@davidiwata7063]

Why did they think they needed 2 women? ...oh wait...

[@novazemlja2921]

According to Islamic teachings, woman's opinion/intelligence is 1/2 of man's, maybe that's why they need 2 women...

[@ystmat]

The thing they made video proves that they are taking you very seriously. Well done

[@manuelz.5471]

Let's see if they watch this and learn a lesson about morality. Or if their superior islamic morality tells them not even to listen because unbelievers can't say anything anyway.

[@janburn007]

I think one CAN possibly make a case for criticising Muhammad for marrying a 6 year old & consummating the marriage when she was 9 years old - & say it was wrong - & not just by modern-day standards, but also possibly by the standards of that time. For example, in the Bible, there are no cases of any such young child marriages taking place - so "morality" must have either steeply declined since Biblical times, up until Muhammad came along - or people in Muhammad's part of the world (which was not so far from where Jesus had lived) always perhaps had moral standards which were inferior/different, to those of the much earlier Biblical times. Yes - people apparently did marry much younger (than in the present day) during Biblical times - but there are no instances in the Bible of children as young as 6 years old getting married.

[@fredodonnell3323]

Two female kids who have it all worked out. And we are to listen to their ignorant and naive utterances instead of the likes of Hitches and Fry. Give me a break

[@IvanSensei88]

It sounded to me like they were just regurgitating the garbage they got indoctrinated with. I'd even go on a limb to say they didn't even know what they were actually saying.

[@inaaranur1611]

Being an atheist does Not mean that someone does not have morals. That is really arrogant for any Muslim or other to say that Everyone has an internal moral compass whether they want to listen to it or not. Religion or not

[@Drunk3nMonk3y72]

I didn’t realise Danny Devito had twins

[@brianbouf8303]

Good answer.

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

thanks

[@MM-oj8vb]

Abdullah If you were a religion I’d certainly worship you. You make me want to be a better person. You make me a proud atheist.

[@sidney6021]

Atheists only defer their belief for a while until they come running back to find God. You find God by movingly from stage4 to stage5.

[@kausarrizvi1747]

have you any contemporary reference of non-Muslim writer/ historian about Mohammad's character .... specially ' saadique' and ' ameen ' ....

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

Nope

[@mayaibra7876]

I don't get how religious people can argue about morality when their religions allow such immoral and horrid things. it just astonishes me.

[@sislertx]

Of.course ...why??...... Because islam.has ZERO

[@Bolsonaro_em_Haia]

Also, it should be fairly clear even to the most casual Muslim or even external observer that Islaam has no objective morality to speak of, no matter how passionately it may insist that it does anyway. At the very least, it must be acknowledged that Islaam has a _terrible_ track record at even achieving such basic moral achievements as convincing Muslims to have a core of respect and decency towards other Muslims. Being afraid of being perceived as unfriendly does not substitute for true respect. And don't get me started on how much of the Qur'an is about actually discriminating against non-Muslims - which the book goes out of its way to misrepresent, incidentally.

[@jimmyshrimbe9361]

They're so confused....

[@saraharabia3640]

This video…is amazing

[@mustang6756]

If a prophet has no morality in himself therefore his followers has no morality for themselves..

[@stoneruler]

The 2 girls are obviously so eager to disengage, you got them on the run.

[@Mulhid_Al_Islam]

Why are these two women so pissed off??? 😛🤪😜😝

[@i.k.8868]

Damn those women sound like robots. What a horrible life they must have.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

They’ve got the hijab on too tight for any common sense to leak out. So nonsense flows out of the mouth.

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

I wouldnt presume they have a horrible life. I think they just need to work on their presentation skills.

[@meghnad_]

They look so dangerous and full of hatred. 😶😶 Sameer on the other hand, has a sublime behaviour.

[@Skyl3r07]

Sameer is always calm I respect him for this

[@FriendlyExmuslim]

Thanks Skyler

[@schorpioen7466]

Nah they are only a bit arrogant i think

[@Skyl3r07]

@@FriendlyExmuslim your welcome Sameer I appreciate your work

[@itsjtag1566]

@Jamal Ramadan that’s mean

[@richardgomes4332]

I wish these girls would go live a strict islamic country for a couple of years .They have the protection of western Governments .I bet after they won't think islam is so great .

[@babyducky3097]

Prophet Samir is indeed the best creature on all human existenc acording to my value system✌🤪🇩🇪

[@enzoduke495]

You are spot on on everything you said

[@noorjehankhan2347]

The biggest problem that is used is "God said"for the selrigiousness of sinners,not for the good of His souls,but to judge,critisize,condemn etc,for self praise. Human race consists of good and bad,God knows this,does He destroy their lives,No,because He created all. Humans destroys life,based on their opinions of what's good/bad. They can judge behaviour,they cant judge what the mind thinks,be it good or bad. A code of dress,or supposedly being moral,cannot be defined as good,if we judge others,our opinions,judgement,criticism,comdemnation has no bearing on His immutable laws that applies to all,for He alone will judge. His immutable laws ain't bias,prejudice or racist,good and bad happens to all humans,nor are race or religion above His laws. Religion should be used with wisdom,not selfrigiousness. Morality is our behaviour to towards our fellow human beings,nothing makes us more or less human. The human race are affected by this virus,including climatic changes,humans will not be saved based on race or religion, but by using their God given brains,we were created with. No mesiah,messenger or prophet created the universe,or the planet we living on. Nor does God need anyone ,we live by His Grace,for He alone determines life /death.

[@isheshtaggi]

Atheist morality is objective, as it comes from the objective planet of morality.

[@puraLusa]

?

[@sidney6021]

He's trying to tell us his mortality comes from the deep end of a black hole. His own.

[@bobfield6493]

When religion becomes culture it takes away from intellectual freedom. I would like to ask those ladies a question regarding the morality of decent dressing. I assume your standard dress code is the hijab and covering up from head to toe. This is God's guidance to eliminate sexual desires and assault by men. Well if that's the case either he had no knowledge or had no care whatsoever for the natives in tropical regions where the heat and humidity is significant. Guess what their traditional dress code is? That's right their baby suits- nada. They go about their daily lives nude or nearly nude. Amazingly there's no sexual assault in THEIR communities, gosh I wonder why? Now, if I was asked to design clothes for a region hot in the day but not humid and could get quite cool at night and also subject to sand storms that could get into flowing hair if you think objectively what design do you think I would come up with to suit such a region hmmm 🤔

[@margahe9157]

These 2 Ladies only recite what they have learned by heart ( I should say 'by head'!)! I guess they are Shabir Ally's daughter and his wife.

[@azazel166]

Morality. There I talked about it, what will you do, Ms?

[@mSalam.30]

Lol why are their expressions so weird 😂 is it haram to smile?

[@IvanSensei88]

To the atheists: If any Muslim confronts you and wants to take a "higher ground" by saying you have no basis for your morality, so you cannot objectively determine what is good and what is bad (and foolishly think this will shield them from all the criticism regarding Islam's blatant immoral teachings)... remind them that Allah ALSO has subjective morality, and that your own subjective morality is *vastly* superior to the one they subscribe to, because it's based on actual logic and reasoning, and OPEN to being improved, rather than an appeal to (an invisible, unproven) authority whose moral standards perfectly matched the desires of a 7th century caravan robber, and people are prosecuted for questioning it. Quran 2.106 _We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten EXCEPT that We bring forth [one] BETTER than it or SIMILAR to it. Do you not know that Allah is over ALL THINGS competent?_ If Allah one day commands "Thou shalt not kill", but then says something like "If someone leaves their religion, kill them", this means the first verse got abrogated. Killing is still bad EXCEPT when doing it because someone left the religion... so one day Killing is bad period, the next day killing is still bad BUT there's an exception.... that's subjective morality 101. One day there's no compulsion in religion, the next day fight and subjugate nonbelievers till they either die, convert or pay the humiliation tax. So yeah, their moral anchorage isn't objective either. Allah is over all things competent, which means he can abrogate his own verses, and if he can abrogate verses, so can he abrogate his commands, and these commands include his own moral code. So if Allah can change his own moral code, he has subjective morality. So all those Muslims who want to use this poor argument.. sorry... you have no objective basis either. Nothing is stopping Allah from coming and abrogating all his teachings under the guise that the new ones are "better".

[@harryf1ashman]

The church of the 'flying spaghetti monster; is really not a very good position from which to start your argument. These ladies are quite right about the nature of subjective secular morality. The irony is that I choose to reject Islamic morality for the exact same reason as I choose to reject secular morality because both place limitations on the absolute value of human life. Human rights, to my mind, are something, you are born with and not something you attain.

[@j-l84]

How an atheist don't have morality ?. They even can change or deny what God say and what their prophet do if there is something wrong or unmorality . So every human have morality to think what is right and what is wrong

[@apostatecat4332]

There is no reason for personal attack when debating a topic. The moment you take a jab, it shows how close minded you are. Props to Abdullah Sameer.

[@esdet105]

Muhammad said x is good, so x is good. Would Muhammad command anything that is bad? No? Then you already know what is good and you don't need Muhammad to tell you what is good. (Variation on the Eutyphro-dilemma)

[@b0ys0l09]

Morality great enemy of Islam.

[@mehmetsimsek4794]

I suspect they even know what objective morality means. Even if I dont agree, like christian apogelitics you can say something like "killing babies for fun is objectively wrong". That's something which everyone agrees whether you are christian or not, than only point you have to make, does it come from god or from just human process-evolution.. You cant say it is objective and at the same time you cant judge our morality, your morality is subjective, you dont have the right to disagree or critic our morality. Do you see anyone who objects killing babies, no? That's what objective is. If someone disagrees with you that means your morality is subjective. If those moral rules are "just" for muslims and no else has a right to comment, critic; you are already admitting that your morality is subjective. Objective morality doesnt mean one source, it means one view, no matter what you are who you are. Everyone thinks killing babies is wrong, on the other hand their morality change even among muslims

[@midnightwatchman1]

an act is good because God for which there can be no greater knows that it is good. So God has the absolute objective sight to know that an act is good and thus the authority to declare an act is good. it is not much of a dilemma if you look at it in an ontological way.

[@48jinju]

These 2 are brainwashed and they are just spitting what they were forced to say. Do they even know what morality means. You are so right Abdullah 😂

[@doubleplusgoodthinker9434]

Garbage. I wonder who wrote the script for them?

[@wcg3569]

Abduls are the last people who should be talking about morality😂😂😂😂😂😂