Mutara Nebula Battle #2 - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan [CC English]

[@halleck3]

I'm constantly amazed by how well this has held up over the years. This is damned near FORTY years old and still one of the greatest space battles of all time.

[@jonathandonley3299]

It probably is one of the best movies in the last 40 and it still amazes me how well it holds up. Not just the battle scenes but the script, the performances, the music... my god, the music is still powerful to this day and it evokes the perfect emotions for every moment. There are few movies that can be seen forty years later and still impress an audience and this is one of them.

[@halleck3]

@@jonathandonley3299 Well said! When you compare this to movies like beastmaster, Sword and the sorceror (okay, that one was dumb fun), spacehunter, brainstorm, space raiders....head and shoulders above the competition.

[@thegreatbamboozler4837]

This was a samurai battle of space battles, not a street fight like star wars :)

[@jebstuart3]

I saw this in the theatres! IT WAS FRIGGIN' AWESOME!! But everybody left the theatre in tears over Mr. Spock.

[@Argumemnon]

It's the pacing. There are things you can't do when you have fast-paced, Star Wars type battles, and foremost on that list is tension.

[@hpa2005]

Seeing the Enterprise come up behind the Reliant and the following onslaught of photon torpedoes/phaser fire I can't help but think that Checkov is thinking to himself: "Hey Khan, remember when you put that bug in my ear?"

[@sandal_thong8631]

They must have been pretty stupid to let that thing enter the ears of so many of his people. You'd think one person sleeping with their ear on the ground would be enough to alert the others.

[@hybrid5568]

I feel it was both chekov and enterprises revenge. They had punishment to dish out and whoa brother did they ever!

[@hpa2005]

@@hybrid5568 Agreed

[@jmwoods190]

@@hybrid5568 And avenge the death of Captain Terrell!

[@amblerrobert]

you put a bug in my ear, I put a torpedo in your ass!!

[@pauljohnson3340]

Ricardo Montalban was absolute nails in this role. Perfect casting. This is by far the best ST movie.

[@midnightrun5622]

There's an interview with Ricardo Montalban where he essentially watched the original "Space Seed" episode so he could play "Kahn" without coming off as "Mr. Rorake" from "Fantasy Island".

[@gmajor1273]

Totally agree

[@swaghauler8334]

He took a cut in pay to make the movie happen too. There were budget overruns and he stepped up.

[@midnightrun5622]

@Tin Watchman He did. In the interview he said that he was concerned that his movie performance of Kahn would sound too much like Mr. Rorake since he had been in the latter role for years prior to the ST:II filming.

[@Goodiesfanful]

@@swaghauler8334 that was jolly nice of him.

[@eoinMB3949]

Not enough credit is given to James Doohan and Deforest kelly for their performances in this sequence. The way they shout and appeal to Spock to "Get out of there" is so powerful.

[@psychokitty444]

The way they stop, too, when he lifts the lid off. Like they both know it's over. There's nothing else they can do at this point.

[@lamueldagon7618]

Its heartbreaking

[@pepperVenge]

They did a great job. Their expressions helped establish that Spock was doing something incredibly dangerous.

[@MartinCox-ny2rv]

Reply to many: I think Spock was getting revenge for all those arguments he lost---lol ;but it was his way of killing off the Spock character and not come back ...but when wanting to direct st 3 he had to find a way to come back.

[@pepperVenge]

@@MartinCox-ny2rv That isn't exactly accurate. You seem to imply that they decided Nimoy would direct the third film during the production of TWOK. But during production, they didn't think there was going to be a third film until the final days of filming because the public was showing a great deal of anticipation for the film. It was at this point they began to brainstorm ways they might open up the ending to a sequel. Nimoy had the idea of just putting his hand on Kelly's face and saying "remember." In the months following the films release, a sequel was greenlit, and the producers approached Nimoy to convince him to return. He said "alight I'll do it, but I want to direct." You can hear Nimoy and Shatner tell this story in the "Captains Summit" documentary film.

[@gingerking76]

Forget Sci-fi, this is a genuine masterpiece of cinematography and storytelling transcending it’s genre. It still holds up all these years later. I think pacing and strong characterisation are the two most outstanding qualities, and that’s without mentioning the score, which is clearly incredible. A high point in film making.

[@martinbertilsson1654]

Agrees... The depth in storytelling compared to todays action/sci-Fi like Marvel or Harry Potter and such... TO much action... to little story

[@pwc7475]

I agree, so i'm not the only one that thinks this

[@hybrid5568]

This is the empire strikes back of the star trek franchise. Both were constantly re-told but the originals were better

[@coolcat6303]

@@hybrid5568 That’s a great analogy that I’ve thought of as well. And Empire Strikes Back & ST2 are also better than the original films which is a pretty rare thing in most franchises.

[@hybrid5568]

@@coolcat6303 what I love about both is in empire strikes back you have character development with a blooming romance and a truly dark reveal that grabs you and doesn't quit. In wrath of khan you had a revenge story with getting to know the crew alot more better and suspense as one man and his friends try to outsmart a person hellbent on destroying him and attaining power to create worlds and even when the evils destroyed, your brought to tears as a beloved cast member says his goodbye to his captain and best friends. Both movies had our attention in a similar yet different way and both were worthy of the praise they received as the best sequels of their genre

[@KrK007]

This movie is the gold standard by which all other Trek movies are judged.

[@jonothandoeser]

Needs more lens flare...

[@rikosaikawa9024]

KrK007 you ain’t wrong this is Star Trek

[@danielwalker26]

VI was pretty good too. Seems the even numbers are the better ones.

[@christopherevans5985]

And rightly so

[@Starvino]

Getting older, learning true loss from your consequences, the dangers of science, the folly of revenge, and somehow with all these themes it still works

[@andyw_uk74]

Can we get a shout-out to just how badass a tactical officer Chekov is? The guy directly hits the weapons pod and warp nacelle of a Miranda-class starship, in a nebula, against a screen full of static, with no weapons lock. Nobody's safe against that guy. O_O

[@GeneralLeeVanderwood]

Chekov is the man

[@jamesbuchanan4414]

To be fair, Sulu got screwed when the nebula belched. But yeah, the advantage of a dedicated and VERY competent tactical officer.

[@flankspeed]

Also worth pointing out that Kirk takes on his 'extra hand' without hesitation despite having had a phaser pointed at him by the same guy not an hour before, whereas Khan constantly overrules his bridge. Kirk delegates well and uses his team: Khan seems to be entirely alone on that bridge even before Chekhov shoots.

[@Alondro77]

Well, we do find out in "Babylon 5" that he's at least a P12 telepath... ;D

[@johnarmenta2199]

That is Star Fleet trained Russian tenacity!

[@Life_Is_Torture0000]

I can't imagine Hollywood producing such quality work these days.

[@raven4k998]

na that's asking to much these days all they care about now is money not producing high quality well written art like this

[@GunGriffin187]

Well they have... Dune part 1 and 2, James Cameron's Avatar 1 and 2, Zack Sniders Justice League... too name a few fantastic movies that are of this caliber...

[@leeburks4540]

About to be 71 soon. Original Trekkie and watched this in the theater. The best Trek!

[@DanWint]

I'm 73 almost 74, watched Star Trek from the beginning.

[@logandarklighter]

@@DanWint Respect to you both. I was born in 66. So I (fortunately) have the advantage that when people ask me how old I am I can just tell them - "I'm exactly as old as the Star Trek franchise! You get to do the math yourself!" 😏

[@iconbearer]

I was born in 81 😅. Wish id seen this in the cinema.

[@Ericwvb2]

This was one of the first films I saw in the theater with my father after moving to America and learning English!

[@rotorhd2]

68 here....watched in theater first time too.....already 26 years old but still in awe! Never gets old! Sadly nothing has come close in all these years.

[@cruddddddddddddddd]

Every scene Montalban's Khan is in is so compelling. He's played with such charisma. He has to be the greatest Star Trek villain. Montalban is what made Khan such an inspiring villain. Cumberbatch is great, but there's only one Khan, and his name is Ricardo Montalban.

[@sandal_thong8631]

I was imagining a version of _Empire Strikes Back_ where that instead of Billy Dee Williams for Lando Calrissian, they got Ricardo Montalbán so he wasn't available for _Star Trek 2._ Then what would they have done? "I am your host, Lando Calrissian. Welcome to Cloud CIty!"

[@MrImastinker]

@@sandal_thong8631 I think Montalban is the only man who could have possibly rivaled Williams as Lando in terms of sheer charisma.

[@jmwoods190]

The only other villain that matched Montalban's Khan is Plummer's General Chang in Undiscovered Country. 2 different but equally powerful performances. Benedict Cumberbatch is still awesome, BUT makinghis character Khan is perhaps the biggest mistake- he would've gotten much better reviews had he been playing an entirely different villain.

[@MarcillaSmith]

@@jmwoods190 Cumberbatch - although his abilities intrigue me, he is quite honestly inferior. Mentally, physically. In fact, I am surprised how little improvement there has been in motion picture evolution. Oh, there has been technical advancement, but, how little filmmaking itself has changed.

[@Robh1966]

And I like the fact it started out as a single episode in the TOS called space seed, 20 years before the film, and then the storyline got carried forward into Star Trek III: The search for Spock.

[@gl1500ctv]

I saw this in the theatre on the opening weekend. Left the movies in tears. RIP Leonard Nimoy.

[@preshutchins]

at 54 yrs old I still get GIDDY🤪🤣😂😜🤪 as HELL when the mains are back online.....MR SCOTTY......GO SULU😂👏👏👏👏

[@timothyturner1056]

Out of all the Star Trek movies that has ever graced on the silver screen this movie stands out as the best ever in my humble opinion.

[@Cybrsk8r]

@Tracchofyre I agree. And, except for the first one, which was sort of a re-hash of "The Changeling", and the fifth one, which was just plain bad, the rest were pretty decent, too.

[@Cybrsk8r]

@Tracchofyre Well, I was just talking about the original cast movies. But, yea, I think First Contact was the best of the STNG movies.

[@Swanlord05]

@Tracchofyre next is the motion picture and then undiscovered country

[@Swanlord05]

@Tracchofyre next is motion picture then undiscovered country

[@hastekulvaati9681]

I have HUGE affection for most of the original trek films. Can't argue with conventional wisdom on the Wrath of Khan, it probably is the best. Where I depart from the conventional wisdom is on the odd numbered films being bad. I love the Search for Spock and The Motion Picture. Mine in order of best to worst 1. Wrath of Khan 2. TMP 3. Search for Spock 4. Voyage Home 5. First Contact 6. The Undiscovered Country 7. The Final Frontier 8. Inserection 9. Nemesis 10. Generations 11. Star Trek 2009 12. Star Trek into Darkness

[@anarchyantz1564]

The nebula battle done in the style of submarine warfare perfectly done. Great acting from all cast.

[@exoplanet11]

Opportunely an old sub drama film was their inspiration...You can see a comparison on a KZbin video somewhere.

[@tim72184]

That moment where Spock creates a backup of himself and uses McCoy as an external hard drive...

[@piggyroo100]

Good one

[@cha5]

"That Vulcan Son of a Bitch! It's his revenge for all those arguments he lost!" >:-(

[@JVLIVSPhotography]

Remember...

[@juicyfruit6311]

Vulcan Mind Meld 4.0 with the latest patches.

[@ericsmith8373]

Good thing Spock's brain wasn't running Windows. It really would have been the "blue screen of death".

[@RRL110]

Awesome battle scenes. This is like watching two old sailing vessels go at it with canon fire.

[@BelfastBiker]

ikr? Perfectly done!

[@dreadkaiser1058]

was kinda teh idea.....and why Khan lost. he treated it like a naval battle and forgot that "up and down" are options

[@johnmckenna5782]

The Enterprise and the Reliant serve double-duty as Federation warships...they were meant to take a pounding and go up against anything in the Alpha Quadrant at that time. Either one of them would have been more than a match for a Klingon D7 cruiser or anything fielded by the Romulans. For their time period they were extremely tough ships.

[@iad77]

Submarines was the intention I believe

[@thenewpav543]

@@dreadkaiser1058 yes but that's kind of a plot hole considering Khan was smarter than any of them.

[@unhandmeprrriest4601]

1:27 the way the Enterprise slowly rises up is so badass

[@pauljohnson3340]

It reminded me of the shark in Jaws.

[@Joel-vx7hz]

That's my favorite scene in this movie. It's too perfect

[@tomjeffries3540]

Can we hear the Jaws theme?

[@01iv3_0i1-A]

Every time I see that I think “hello motherfucker”

[@hpa2005]

Agreed

[@ghostofpambo6266]

Now THIS is how you do a battle sequence for a Star Trek film.

[@texmullikin3267]

There will not be another one like it, that's for sure.

[@stevepettersen3283]

JJ Abrams, take note.

[@jimmyzhao2673]

It is amazing to think there were only like 8 shots fired in the entire battle.

[@johntracy72]

Or any sci fi movie for that matter.

[@MiniLemmy]

I love the energy crackling around the warp nacelle and pylon when it gets blown off!

[@Swanlord05]

That was actually Disney at the time...it was cartoon animation

[@cobblestonetower6323]

Khan was so evil that he could make a miranda class survive a battle for more than 5 minutes

[@lpg12338]

I am not sure he was evil, just VERY motivated to complete the task at hand. I always thought that good / evil just depends on what side you are on and your point of view...

[@blazechicken6822]

A great villain yes. Maybe not such an evil person tho, he did do evil things in the past as well as good which is common for those with power. Khan's biggest motivation seems to be his love for his people and even his grudge against Kirk is motivated by that as Kirk is directly responsible for the death of his wife and most of his people

[@magicalrobster]

Is the Miranda class more advanced than the constitution class?

[@DiscoRaptor]

@@magicalrobster... I think it was supposed to be a slightly newer ship. But it says something for the class when it's still in service over 100 years later. The only other ship class to last that long is Excelsior.

[@_Muzolf]

As funny as this is, there is a reason why the Miranda was still in service when all the constitution class cruisers have been decommissioned for nearly a century.

[@JAVIERORTEGON-g2x]

I HAD THE TREMENDOUS PRIVELIGE OF SEEING THIS MOVIE WHEN IT WAS NEW 42 YEARS AGO BACK IN THE SUMMER OF 1982 ! WHAT MEMORIES ! BEST STAR TREK MOVIE EVER ! STAR TREK II THE WRATH OF KHAN !

[@CaptainCanuck1975]

Saw Wrath of Khan at a Saturday afternoon matinee in a theatre full of boisterous kids and teenagers. Could have heard a pin drop during this scene.

[@QS-si3cq]

Same!

[@coolcat6303]

I've probably seen this movie a hundred times since it came out in 1982 but I still get the chills when Khan defiantly says "No Kirk. The games not over. To the last... I will grapple with thee" He then activates the self destruct on the Genesis device & you hear that ominous timer starting to countdown. Powerful scene among many in this terrific film.

[@manco828]

It would be the ultimate defeat.

[@michaelzahnle5649]

@@manco828hat was my thought too. A missed opportunity for karma justice.

[@rthinds]

@Kenneth Boyer I think the best part is that Khan thought he had won (or atleast drew a stalemate). In reality, he lost. He just doesn't realize he lost, which is all part of the drama. Expertly done!!!

[@Tommyknocker46]

@Kenneth Boyer I wanted to see that scene as well. He would probably yell, "N..." and not get the "o" out as his ship explodes.

[@Skyprince27]

@KoolCat ! I saw the first showing of this movie in my city, in 1982. It was a Friday afternoon matinee. My girlfriend and I left work at lunch, and went downtown, to the only theatre that was showing it before the others started it the next day. Ran smack face-to-face into the Director of Engineering of my company, getting to our seats!

[@degs24]

This is absolutely the crown jewel of the Star Trek franchise. It will always be one of my favorite films.

[@mikedunbar8303]

Now you have to bear in mind this is coming from a Star wars man, one of the best spacebattles ever

[@AlanCanon2222]

Yes, and probably for 1/10th the cost.

[@maxav1-exe]

Hey same here

[@williamj.dovejr.8613]

Game recognizes game!

[@mindlessdroid3630]

Ah yes when the Enterprise's engine room didn't look like a micro brewery.

[@enterprisethesylveon5787]

Mindless Droid, that was a storage unit, Engineering is the are around the warp core...

[@Ty-yt3lj]

I'm pretty sure that was Hydroponics

[@Argumemnon]

I don't know why people keep bitching about the brewery. Look at it from a positive angle instead: even in the far-future why would you want your engineering components to be wrapped in pretty plastic covers? The brass isn't going to go there, and you need immediate access to the machinery. I love the classic Trek engine rooms as much as the next Trekkie but I really don't mind what they did with the new movies. Let's chill out and try to enjoy ourselves, eh?

[@Chevroldsmobuiac]

Yes!! Immediately when I saw the engine room on the first of the "new" Treks I immediately said "Brewery". I half expected the next shot to be someone shoveling coal into a boiler.

[@redenginner]

Argumemnon The same reason we put metal paneling over electrical systems. To minimize danger to the crew during nominal operations and prevent buildup of dust and hazardous debris.

[@lazycalm41]

The score, the story, the acting ( the great Ricardo!!) but for me most notably the incredible practical effects of the time!!! infinitely better than todays fake CGI rubbish. This was proper film making craft!

[@fuckface809]

100% agreed. Just brilliant.

[@jasonmeadows8510]

I thank God I was alive to see this in the cinema when it came out, along with so many classics of the late 70s and early 80s.

[@forceinfinity]

I'm blown away by what Nicholas Myers pulled off. They nerfed the hell out of the budget relative to the first movie, but he gave us a better movie, with more visceral visuals, better uniforms... all that with far less money than what they blew on the first movie

[@nathanfitzgerald6651]

It's one movie but manages to be more intelligent and heartfelt than ALL of this newer avalanche of horses'-assery, dumbed-down, vicious, shallow, man-hating, completely chaotic Star Trek sewage nuggets today PUT TOGETHER! The Wrath of Khan is better in too many ways to even keep track of.

[@lazycalm41]

@@nathanfitzgerald6651 Brilliant comment Nathan!

[@delavalmilker]

During the "Genesis Wave" sequence---if you listen closely, you can hear that James Horner has a total of FIVE separate musical themes running simultaneously. Sheer genius.

[@manco828]

You mean the part where Spock is scanning the Genesis Wave? I can only hear 2 themes.

[@Sokrabiades]

@@manco828 You're intelligent but not experienced. Your pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

[@sandal_thong8631]

At some point years after it came out I got the soundtrack on cassette.

[@mvader7188]

If it wasn't for the juggernaut that was E.T., I like to think that Wrath of Khan would've cleaned up at the Oscars.

[@Slayer398]

It was a huge loss with his passing.

[@billb0313]

What? No Shakey cam? No glare from lighting? And, yet...the scene is fantastic. Very underappreciated soundtrack, too. 80s James Horner was gold! Aliens, Krull, Star Trek...

[@bryanme5771]

Agreed! And those soundtracks are truly fantastic!

[@TheVFXbyArt]

Trust me, the soundtrack was appreciated! Hence why james horner scored such films like titanic and apollo 13.

[@kjodleken8810]

Seriously. A great scene from when you needed to rely on editing, acting, cinematography, and everybody having a good sense of timing. There is so much emotion in this, and shaky cams and lens flares do not create emotion.

[@DrumsTheWord]

The music. The clever use of silence and tension. This is great movie making. It captivates and keeps you on the edge of your seat.

[@paigewright6875]

James Horner did the score, and he also did Aliens- if you go back and watch it, you’ll catch hints of this, especially in action sequences like Ripley driving the tank vehicle to rescue the marines. Underrated genius imo.

[@formulafrank3527]

The eerie silence in the nebula when they're hunting each other is just perfect

[@AdhamOhm]

1:33 It's satisfying that Checkov is the one to fire the shots that kill almost all of Khan's people. Justice for what Khan did to him, Captain Terrell and the Reliant crew. Chekov sometimes gets treated like a jackass in the TV show and the films, but there are times when he can be a beast.

[@hpa2005]

agreed

[@xlerosx]

Just great writing. Not an accident, I am sure.

[@alexthompson5275]

Starfleet did order the Reliant disabled because they reported it stolen

[@chrismc410]

@@alexthompson5275 likely ordered Reliant retaken or to destroy her if retaking it is not an option. As Picard said more than once, "if we cannot regain control of the ship, no one else must have it either. This vessel cannot remain in hostile hands"

[@chrismc410]

Chekov here was living proof you don't poke the Russian Bear. Bad things occur when you poke a Russian Bear.

[@josephamendolea3431]

I think Ricardo Montalban's version of Kahn was so much better than Cumberbatch's version

[@coolcat6303]

Joseph Amendolea Cumberbatch is a great actor but he was a very poor choice to play Khan. Doesn't resemble the character or Montalblan in the least.

[@sidval8910]

benicio del toro y javier bardem estaban mejor para interpretar a khan

[@DukeJon1969]

Cumberbatch lacked the physically menacing presence of Montalban

[@WardyLion]

What I loved about RM is that, while everyone assumed he wore a fake chest, he actually got ripped to play the role and show off those pecs!

[@logandarklighter]

I had the great privilege to speak with Bjo Trimble at a convention in CA in the late 80s and she had a wonderfully silly story to tell. Apparently - during Khan's reveal, when he's unwrapping his desert gear - on the very first take of filming that scene, as soon as Montalban bared his great chest, some crew hand near the back of the stage (apparently quite impressed) blurted out, *"Holy Shit! Look at Ricardo's TITS!!!"* COMPLETELY ruining the take and making every single person on set utterly break down in helpless laughter - including Montalban! CUT!!! XD

[@logandarklighter]

01:27 - that moment when the Enterprise rises into view behind the Reliant... and let me tell you - the whole audience in 1982 (Mostly Trekkies where I was - lots of friends there that night) was collectively going "Yes yes YES YES YES!!!!" Because we KNEW Kirk had DONE it again!

[@adidell]

logandarklighter I remember that same thing very well

[@labattman]

I will never forget how the theater erupted.

[@joeclayton2121]

i started my Trekkieness in high school in the late 70's we had a club in school and built the command chair and transporter room i miss those days

[@olyolsen1959]

I always hear the theme from "Jaws" at that moment.🦈

[@SJHFoto]

Me too! This was one of my first movie experiences that I remember. The whole theater cheered! I remember that, and how during the asteroid chase scene in the Empire Strikes Back, my two older brothers were commenting on how special effects would NEVER top that!

[@modernmanno9943]

"We're not gonna make it are we?" Amazing....that delivery, the stakes and the music! This crew is so heroic. What a film!

[@sandal_thong8631]

They could have beamed over and phasered it into oblivion. David was full of 💩

[@jakeblack212]

George probably didn't knowLOL

[@djdemondude6593]

My favorite scene is Sulu asks out loud, "We're not going to make it are we?" And Kirk looks at David his scientist son and he just shakes his head slowly no. What a great scene.

[@rogerdorn38]

I love that too. Kirk knows he doesn't have the answer and looks to his son. Like when when Kirk says "we'll beam aboard and stop it." David gently grabs his arm and says: "you can't"

[@djdemondude6593]

@@rogerdorn38 Scotty!! I need warp speed in 3 minutes or were all dead!! Scotty!! I know almost all the dialog from this movie. I still say this is the best that Star trek ever was. ""They said their chambers coil is overloading their comm system."Kirk immediately looks to Spock and Spock responds "scanning" and he continues "Their coil emissions are normal" Meanwhile aboard the Reliant the first officer turns to Khan, "They still haven't raised their shields." Khan savoring the moment responds, "Raise ours" On the Enterprise Spock announces with some urgency, "Their raising Shields!" And Spock follows up with, "Their locking phasers!" Kirk gives the order to raise Shields but it is a split second to late. And that was the greatest space battle ever put to film. And of course I love the fact that they basically used the locking codes to the main computer on the Reliant and remoted into it and ordered Reliant to drop her shields. And I love the acting in the following scenes. Khans first officer looks to Khan and says, Sir, Our shields are dropping. And the look on Khans face as the pure joy he was feeling can be seen leaving his face as he responds, "Well raise them!!" Then the first officer bangs his balled up fists on the console, "I can't!!" And then Khan knows what's going on and is scrambling to find the override but it's to late as we return to the Enterprise and Kirk is giving the order to fire. After the attack is over. Khan is screaming for his crew to fire. " We can't fire Sir, They damaged the photon control and the warp drive, we must withdraw!!!" And I love the delivery of the lines from the first officer to Khan, "The Enterprise can wait.. She's not going anywhere!!" I love this movie on so many levels.

[@djdemondude6593]

I'm here tonight, In the witching hours and I am still enjoying this scene. "We're not going to make it are we?"

[@ai6894]

When Kirk ordered, "Go, Sulu!" I bet the helmsman thought 💭 to himself, "Not gonna say *I'll try* like I did before to Saavik."

[@sandal_thong8631]

A movie full of stupid-ass people. Yeah they beam onto the transporter pad, hit the torpedo with maximum phasers so it disintegrates like in the original series; problem solved. Of course if they could count they wouldn't have landed on Ceti-Alpha V when they wanted VI so there would be no story.

[@itsmezed]

Hearing Bones on the intercom right after this scene still gets me misty-eyed: "Jim, I think you'd better get down here." "Bones?" "Better... hurry."

[@tubefluid]

And then he turns and sees the empty seat.

[@pditties]

As a kid I saw this in the theater and it was amazing. I even thought Into Darkness when Spock runs down to look for Kirk and you see Simon Pegg just look at him. Not saying anything I got the same sad feeling i did when i was a kid watching Spock die.

[@chrisgreulich]

After Bones says his line and Kirk looks at the empty chair, I stop watching. I've watched the ending probably 10% of the time when I watch it, but I can't handle seeing Kirk lose his best friend Spock. Thankfully Star Trek III brought them back together. Star Trek II & III are great films.

[@darylkemp1257]

@@chrisgreulich and spock returned the favour in the final frontier saving his best friend gunning down shakaree from the bird of prey

[@alexhernandez49]

At the beginning of the movie after the Kobiyashi Maru exam, Admiral Kirk asks his friend jokingly, "Aren't you dead?" A sign of what was to come.

[@boringtrainfilms8513]

Beautifully filmed, epic score, wonderful acting. A true classic.

[@isaachaze1]

arguably the best ST movie

[@ColonelMarcellus]

James Horner was a GENIUS!

[@gmajor1273]

The music score was absolutely perfect.

[@TheVFXbyArt]

The score borrows a lot of themes from the other james horner composed film, "Krull". check out that score if you are a fan of James horner.

[@martythemartian99]

Best submarine battle ever put on film :)

[@logicaldude3611]

The moment of Spock's calculation at 5:05 that the engineering crew is decimated and that he will need to do it himself in order to save everyone. And he can't say anything or else people (Kirk in particular) would try to stop him. Perfect.

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

No time to Argue, Captain Kirk... I've already calculated it will take me 12 additional seconds to argue with Dr. McCoy. 🖖 Edit: in the time I used to explain this, the Genesis device will have counted down from here to here.(Spock lessons from previous TOS experience)

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Why couldn't the other 90% deal with it?

[@noscwoh1]

​@@JDoe-gf5oz Your pedantry is noted, sir. And appreciated. 😊

[@logicaldude3611]

@@JDoe-gf5oz Because people are soft and you need men of action in situations like this. Any one of these Ensigns or radiation sick people could have got up and done it, but Spock wasn’t wasting any time. As he told Bones, “Sorry doctor, I have no time to discuss this logically.” They just needed SOMEONE to do SOMETHING. And Spock knew exactly what to do and he’s the only one willing to sacrifice himself for the ship. It’s a great moment.

[@DarkMsStress]

Epic! Trek history! Montalban acted his ass off in this one!

[@allisokandsweet]

7:57 From hell's heart i stab at thee for hate's sake i spit my last breath at thee. "Khan one of the beat".

[@allisokandsweet]

Until this day i'll never give up.....

[@evilconvictpressley]

One of the best lines ever spoken in a film.

[@samsignorelli]

@@evilconvictpressley Herman Melville thanks you.

[@sanitman1488]

Common line used by men at ex-wives.

[@williamj.dovejr.8613]

​@@sanitman1488Indeed!

[@irregulargamer5848]

When Spock turns with the realisation of what has to be done @ 5:05. True heroism, right there.

[@Trek001]

Except he had more time to think really... Assuming the counter was set to 1000 seconds, that is actually 16.6 minutes - not the 4 stated. Given they presumed they could beam aboard, they could have beamed directly to _Reliant_ and set her helm to full impulse away from _Enterprise_ whilst they bugger off in the opposing direction

[@exoplanet11]

@@Trek001 But the time units on the Genesis device are not seconds. 8 or 9 of them count down in just 3 seconds real time (4:28)

[@bryguysays2948]

The pace and score of this movie is perfect.

[@deelo2281]

I always wished they showed Khan watching the Enterprise jumping to warp speed and showing his face before the Reliant blows up

[@iGamingAlliance]

Me too. A close up of the eyes and hearing him say "No!:

[@TheLK157]

The beauty is it doesn’t matter… Kahn will wake up in hell thinking what happened to the enterprise, and why am I so hot

[@unfiltered4410]

Meee 2

[@3Rayfire]

8:29, one of the greatest moments in movie history. Salvation. At a Price. *"Sir! The mains are back online."*

[@HotaruZoku]

How about a top 5?

[@3Rayfire]

Sounds good.

[@WardyLion]

I'm not crying, YOU ARE!!!

[@okedoke1234]

Yes! Love it! How about "Z minus 10,000 meters.....standby photon torpedoes"

[@GravesRWFiA]

right. CAPTAIN Spock does what Kirk had said he as captain would do, He gave his life to save HIS ship and His crew.

[@abbaszaidi8371]

It’s 1985. I’m 10 years old and watching this on Thames Television on a school night. Life altering stuff. Still the greatest motion picture ever made.

[@turricanedtc3764]

Same, though I was only 6 years old. I have a feeling my Mum and Nan thought it was OK because they knew the TV series was neither this violent nor bloody...

[@michaelroutledge5651]

I was 8 but remember it well, great film

[@gummybear41283]

when Spock sacrifices himself to save the Enterprise, probably the most emotional and powerful part of any movie I've ever seen

[@andyroseby4539]

Yes, but try also the start of pixars up!

[@sandal_thong8631]

Yeah, then they undid it; then they destroyed the Enterprise, went back in time and undid it. Then Kirk sacrifices himself and they undid it just to sacrifice him again. Makes Kirk's sacrifices a little less poignant.

[@benjaminharris7091]

Reminds me of another Jewish guy who sacrificed himself to save his friends and then rose again! Only Spock is better; his followers don’t ask me for a tithe!

[@robertbrownjr2123]

When you call yourself a real man, but still admit you teared up when Spock died.

[@williamhaynes4800]

EVERYTIME!

[@BurtonMKelso]

Men who aren’t real don’t cry at this

[@sleepyhollow783]

"I have been, and shall always be your friend..." 🖖

[@coolcat6303]

And the crazy thing is that we cry knowing full well that Spock is gonna come back to life in the next film. But his death scene was so emotional and real, we just can’t help ourselves 🖖😭

[@johntracy72]

Only a Vulcan would not cry.

[@MeganChic]

Best star trek movie ever

[@charlessmith9043]

Yep !

[@islandexile1571]

No shields were harmed in the making of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

[@mikeleo1]

That's so funny!!!

[@blip1]

IslandExile Yeah they just couldn't keep those things up, no matter how bad they wanted them hahaha

[@blip1]

IslandExile hahaha

[@nfinn42]

Shields being down was the *best* thing about the battle sequences in WOK, it upped the stakes and made it actually tense. Nothing bores me more than the typical cliche TOS/TNG/VOY "suspense" scene where someone (this duty was sometimes the only lines Worf got in an entire episode) was counting down a percentage of shield strength as it dropped, and that was really the only indication of any danger. Picard was sipping on his Earl Grey and a percentage was dropping while Deanna is going on about feelings and Riker is cracking wise. That's not suspense. Voyager was often just as bad. Until you run across a situation where shields magically fall for no reason (SFS, lots of Voy episodes where "tachyon fields" something something), then all of a sudden we can be hurt. It winds up feeling cheap and manipulative. So at first, when ENT began and they didn't have shields, I was like, "FINALLY, the powers that be figured out that shields ruin the dramatic tension! Now let's get some actual effects shots of structural damage when we get hit!" But nope, then we get "polarize the hull plating"... oh fuck... and then we get "hull plating is down to 70% captain!"... god fucking dammit. Back to the same boring shit. :/ Compare that to WOK, where the duel between Reliant and Enterprise feels like a great Napoleonic-era tall-ships duel, and every phaser hit feels substantial, like cannonballs plowing through wooden planks and human bodies... I've watched this battle scene easily a hundred times and I am ALWAYS on the edge of my seat! I am hoping Discovery will have the sense to follow Nicholas Meyer's lead and avoid a lot of treknobabble, focusing instead of tense dramatic suspense based more on characters than on gizmos and "a wizard did it" type plot resolutions. And if there must be space battles, make it absolutely clear what the ships can and cannot do, establish a series bible, and STICK TO IT. This was where the BSG remake shone over the TNG era Trek and ENT, because Ron Moore learned this lesson in his days on DS9/VOY: change the rules too many times on your viewers and they will stop suspending disbelief.

[@billhuber2964]

IslandExile LOL THANK GOD !!!

[@melburns4540]

I'm not a Star Trek fan but these scenes are fantastic, better than anything filmed before or after.

[@wanderingowl6345]

5:06 I remember sitting in the theater as a kid, seeing the expression on Spock’s face and thinking, “Uh-oh, this is bad.” What Spock could do with just a look... RIP Mr Nimoy.

[@exoplanet11]

Yes, that was great acting by Nimoy. I didn't catch it the first time I saw the film, but every other time it stands out as the emotional climax of the film. Everything after that moment is determined.

[@CLBarr]

The way Spock puts on the gloves when entering the chamber is epic!

[@sandal_thong8631]

They originally wanted it to be uneventful, without the gas, so you just have to know he's getting a lethal dose of radiation, perhaps like the Chernobyl series. But I guess they thought it wasn't dramatic enough.

[@rain73ful]

Khan was such a badass! Best villian ever in my opinion.

[@jamesdavis1201]

Agreed. A close second is Gul Dukat. He was a true multi-faceted villain. Masterful character development!!!

[@thenewpav543]

@@jamesdavis1201 Dukat could be summed up in one word: Sociopath.

[@williammorris4327]

If only he was lgbq. Him being a transgender really would have made the role pop.

[@williammorris4327]

@Tony Mario spook"let me tell you some time about the human ego Kirk " open a channel, we tried it once your way. You gay for a I I I mean game for a rematch" Khon " full power dang it snivvel"

[@bombtwenty3867]

He wasn't a villain, the hero almost killed annoying Kirk

[@76Superdude]

When The broken enterprise starts to turn and withdraw after they realise genesis is on a self destruct countdown...it's like being 10 again when you saw this the first time.

[@mikegallant811]

I think she may have been broken in quite a few areas cuz when she started turning away from the burning reliant her thruster response was a wee bit sluggish to say the least.

[@johntracy72]

I was 10 when this movie premiered.

[@jaredpelletier3157]

@@mikegallant811 Yeah she was pretty well crippled and was leaking radiation, no warp drive trying to limp away from a bomb waiting to go off, tense scene to say the least.

[@mikeinsf]

"Scotty, we need warp speed in 3 minutes or we're all dead!"

[@thomasn3882]

My tears still flow at this - even after all these years.

[@454brianbat]

This is a highly underrated film. I do not know why it does not get any more praise. The writing in this is so well done. I just watched it the other day and was amazed how well it was written.

[@CarlosRodriguez-vl9gx]

Not underrated by me. An absolute true masterpiece.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

I don't think it's underrated, at least not by long-time Trek fans. Wrath of Khan is almost always on every Old Head's short list of best ST films.

[@shalomamigos]

People frequently pick 2 or 6 as their favorites, and the more casual fans tend to lean towards 4. All solid choices, but I think 3 is my favorite of the ones that tend to be underrated. The battle is not as detailed or impressive as in TWOK, but I like it because it's a bit more of a quiet/atmospheric movie, and it takes its time.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

Underrated?? If there is one ST movie I would never apply this (IMO overused) adjective to, it is this one!

[@charlie-obrien]

Underrated....? Aren't you going to throw in that it's a "National Treasure" also? Geez, don't be that guy.

[@moneypenny1957]

We miss you, Ms Nicolls

[@7Earthsky]

Could you imagine a sci fi movie now days having pace that slow? Slow enough to build tension, with thought provoking dialogue.....No.....Because most movies made today seem to be made for people with A.D.D.....And that is why most of them are shit.

[@llothar68]

Blade Runner. Yeah of course it failed too become a blockbuster

[@KrK007]

Agreed. Remember the first Alien? It wound you up, and wound you up, and wound you up.... slow burn

[@kenneth6731]

Oh hell no. I couldn't swim in a pool for 2 years after seeing ALIEN!

[@brucelombardo]

Annihilation w Natalie Portman.

[@jonathanrobertson3406]

The younger generation don't know what they are missing. I have ADD, but can't stand the fast paced plot progression that never allows tension to build up or give you a chance to care about the characters. All frills and no substance. There is a reason Wrath of Khan is considered the best Star Trek movie ever. I'm not one to disagree.

[@lordbaethan]

The look on Spock's face with the raised eyebrows when he says "Two dimensional thinking" is priceless.

[@flankspeed]

Yeah, coupled with Kirk's facial expression, " I getcha....."

[@Smilingotter]

One reason Kirk is an exceptional captain - he's willing to take suggestions from his crew. It also shows that Spock might be a better tactician than Kirk.

[@AudioAndroid]

Their are so many small details in this movie the Director was able to keep both sides happy. When Sulu does his "best guess" at Kirk's order to fire the Director had the Nebula shake the Enterprise just as Sulu pushes the button causing him to miss Alliant by what appears to be feet this still keeps the Sulu legend good that Sulu is a amazing marksman.

[@martinr8278]

The suspense behind these scenes! Still a great movie in 2023

[@bernardboka4277]

Montalban gives the performance of his career here. A perfect foil for Kirks flawed and noble character, his pride and desire for vengeance are his doom. Like the best Greek Tragedies there is a real catharsis in the outcome. 40+ years later the story still holds up just as good as when it came out. Montalbans Khan deserved his own series and movie arc. Beautifully flawed and charismatic, I could watch his story for hours and days. Gone now, I can but think of what might have been.

[@seanpowers2925]

Always thought the sound of the ship traveling at warp speed fleeing the genesis wave was the coolest. Watched this a thousand times since I was a kid and it gets me every time.

[@exoplanet11]

5:05 The moment when Spock, silently, realizes he'll need to sacrifice himself.

[@lauranolastnamegiven3385]

and no one on the bridge seems to notice, doubt most of the audience understood what he was doing, either, until he was shown arriving in Engineering...Kirk didn't have to order him to do it, he just did it...could Kirk have ordered him to do it? I honestly don't know, he was calling down to Scotty, so I guess he would've ordered Scotty into the chamber to fix the mains, but Spock?

[@Raiden324]

My favorite part is when Sulu says we're not going to make it are we. Accepting that this was it, and accept their fate. I like how Kirk looks for at his son and he shakes his head, great acting with just one line.

[@exoplanet11]

@@Raiden324 That line by Sulu touched me also. It takes maturity to realized you are about to die, and can now take your last few minutes to come to terms with it. (even if you don't realized that Spock is saving the day)

[@Chevroldsmobuiac]

Love seeing old Enterprise slowly making her tortured turn to escape at 5:15. Makes you want to get into the film and help push!

[@Swanlord05]

It was like the ship was a person

[@mvader7188]

@@Swanlord05 she was...

[@jimbracknell5648]

couldn't they have just blown the Reliant up though? that would've solved the problem

[@JaimeGirl]

When Sulu says, “We’re not going to make it, are we?”, the look between Kirk and his son spoke volumes. What a scene- Kirk finally facing the No win scenario and feeling this was definitely it, and the moment made all the worse because Carol and David were locked in it with him as well as his ship and crew. And David-man, how would you feel knowing the thing that kills you is your own invention? Still the best of the Star Trek movies- by far

[@bobbly7132]

Best Trek moment ever: Enterprise coming up behind Reliant.

[@Pondimus_Maximus]

Bob Bly It’s a magnificent sight! 🖖😀

[@Gorilla_Jones]

I've been to two movies where the crowd went apeshit, like literally crazy. 1. Rocky IV, where Rocky cuts Drago, it was pandemonium. 2. When Kirk says "Sulu, lock Phasers" "Phasers locked". "Khan, here it comes" Absolute batshit cheering. I love being old because of this. People don't have the attention span anymore to let suspense build then release. Most movies today are simply explosion the movie.

[@edmundtam4155]

Avengers endgame comes close...battle scene at the end

[@sonicdash9652]

@@edmundtam4155 That nonsense movie doesn't even come close to this.

[@callum563]

I think I accidentally disliked this comment, this is one of my favourite Star Trek movies, way better than the newer ones. I much prefer them using models instead of cgi

[@backalleycqc4790]

Two come to my mind: 1. When the Death Star blew up (the first time); 2. Though we didn't go apeshit, it was gasping in disbelief "No Luke, I am your father!"

[@brionbee]

You can tell who can't handle tension and suspense in theater because everyone who can't starts rustling their candy at that moment.

[@Davechow12]

"Remember" Aye we shall Spock. Aye we shall. RIP.

[@FLAME4564]

Indeed. And to this day we still do remember you Spock.

[@APR702]

Spock’s sacrifice was the most touching and selfless thing I’ve ever seen any character do . He didn’t hesitate one second. ❤

[@plastique45]

I saw this when it originally came out. Every time the Enterprise hit the Reliant people cheered and clapped.

[@sandal_thong8631]

Progressive Insurance says, "Don't be like your parents." In the theater: "Don't clap; no one who made the movie is here."

[@johntracy72]

I saw this awesome movie when it came out in June 1982.

[@deltatango2581]

Truly an epic movie and by far the best Star Trek picture to date, bar none. Remember seeing this in theatre when it came out. Loved how they pulled something the original series and made a movie with it. It is a movie as classic as Lawrence of Arabia, or Bridge on the River Kwai. It will never get old to me.

[@BammerD]

"Bless you, Scotty. GO SULU!"

[@coolcat6303]

Yeah great line except he should've been blessing Spock instead. Kirk didn't know that he was the one who saved the day though.

[@PCCphoenix]

Kirk didn't realize until later that Spock was not at his post.

[@leemday5731]

Ricardo Momtalban gave his greatest moment here great vocals and really cool dude!!

[@RRTNZ]

Best Star Trek film ever made, or ever will be made. Have seen it more times than I can count and it's brilliant every time. "Remember" I get choked up every time Spock goes into the dilithium chamber. Never gets old ( and I saw it first in 1982). LLAP !

[@hastekulvaati9681]

Perhaps it is a generational thing but I find these two ships slowly circling around each other much more exciting than the large CGI finales of modern-day blockbusters. Less is more.

[@Whtxombi]

01:28 The theater audience went crazy. For a little kid like me, it was beyond awesome.

[@nickmitsialis]

I saw this in 1982 in when I went to University in Athens, Greece...no trekkers there back then. But me and my college mates were...I gotta tell ya, though, the Greek audiences acted very appropriately nonetheless.

[@nickmitsialis]

Yeah! I wasn't real happy with TMP but this really upped the game; I'll tell you, I was shocked when Reliant opened fire on Enterprise for the first time-it was jarring to see The Big "E" get damaged like that.

[@bluetickgamer]

When I saw this back in 82 at about the 1:28 mark a guy in front of us yelled “get em Kirk!” So awesome!

[@mikeleo1]

Nooooo Kirk. The games not over.....

[@halfhawk718]

the greatest space battle ever, cough along with the Battle of Endor cough, but this is even better, because its just two ship, two ships but it still manages to create such an intense atmosphere. The Muatara Nebula Battle reminds me more of a submarine battle, its hide and seek, its just awesome "From Hell's heart I stab at thee. For Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!"

[@manofsan]

Well, Star Trek has always had that navy feel to it - starting with the "USS" designation

[@Ugh-Fudge_Bwana]

The only other movie I can think of that has such a great 1v1 cat and mouse duel is Master and Commander.

[@manofsan]

***** In the Old Trek series, there's that episode where they fight the Romulans for the very first time.

[@JoseyWales44s]

You must have never seen "The Enemy Below".It's the WWII destroyer vs U-boat movie that the ST: TOS episode "Balance of Terror" was based upon.

[@bonglesnodkins329]

Love the way the atmosphere goes from "we did it!" to "wait...we're fucked..." in the course of twenty seconds when everyone realizes what Khan has done.

[@PennsyPappas]

What i always found was that for Kahn, his death was handled in a way that actually wasnt that bad for him. He died thinking he had finally got his revenge and killed Kirk. Even though of course he didnt he got to die with that bitter sweet satisfaction while keeping kirk alive. Now that was a great way to handle his death.

[@erentheca]

Note Sulu's face at 2:35. No one is doing a fist pump, or cheering, or even slightly exuberant. They took no joy in disabling the Reliant.

[@Metalshreder777]

The best Star Trek villain ever, no other villain comes close to Khan and so perfectly played by Montalban.

[@kenp7814]

Abrams .... I'm laughing at your superior lens flares

[@rogerdorn38]

This movie holds up so well. The score is outstanding. The action sequences are dramatic and tension filled. And Shatner is at his best as Kirk: "Bless you Scotty.....GO SULU!"

[@sandal_thong8631]

Much is good, but there's a lot of stupidity, like Chekov landing on Ceti-Alpha V; Kirk not realizing the Reliant was assigned to Carol Marcos (who hours ago gave a distress call), and not raising the shields; putting the Enterprise in line with Reliant's aft torpedoes when you could have taken the shot from 10,000 meters below it; and not beaming aboard to destroy the Genesis Torpedo.

[@guyver644]

Not just a good sci-fi movie or a good Star Trek movie but a great movie full stop. Entertainment, excitement, escapism what more could you want. Absolutely fantastic score by James Horner as well. This movie will never get the recognition it deserves because it’s a Star Trek movie but any Sci-fi fan knows this is one of the greatest movies of all time. Even Star Wars fans would have to agree to that. Ricardo Montalban would be a legend even without Khan but this cements it.

[@gameking8809]

"Even Star Wars fans would have to agree to that." As a Star Wars fan I agree. Actually I consider every Star Trek movie great that comes before JJ crap. Except for the parts were they were lazy and recycled effects.

[@RedFive21]

This whole movie. Simply the best. Ship design to the uniforms. No comparison.

[@chrisridenhour]

Those practical vfx still look gorgeous all these decades later. Movies mostly look like video games now.

[@tails0420ify]

Checkov does not screw around with those weapons. Every shot was on point.

[@josephpowelliii9169]

Even when Spock was on his way to Engineering...he remained cool and calm in his paces...gr8 acting!

[@kathleenhensley5951]

An absolute masterpiece of a scene. I loved that moment when the enterprise came up from behind.

[@LeftIsBest001]

7:31 Is my favourite scene in the movie. Kirk asks the time to detonation, Sulu says "We're not going to make it are we?" David shakes his head.. Kirk faces death again.. The way it's all edited is fantastic.

[@ingleringlet-snipps3rd449]

The script and storytelling are phenomenal. It's not just the cool special effects, the awesome sounds of a starship battle or the glitz of a sci-fi epic that make this scene.....it's the mental chess game between two equally armed and equally matched opponents in the outer reaches of space that lifts it to another level.

[@Retaile23]

No other StarTrek franchise could ever top this. Iconic ship, crew and storytelling.

[@kevinbautsch]

I'm lived long enough to see so many of these wonderful actors and actresses' pass on. It's really hard to accept. These people where a part of my growing up. So it is, things go on.

[@Ama-hi5kn]

I watched this at 8 years old 41 years ago. I remember it as it was yesterday. A true Trek classic.

[@Rekaert]

This era really had the Starship combat down perfectly, because it was essentially a representation of naval warfare. These were juggernauts and battleships, maneuvering for devastating broadsides. Cloaked ships were essentially submarines, emerging from the waters to fire, only to dip beneath the surface again for safety. Each ship had crews of hundreds, and they were intended to be highly tactical encounters. It was only later where these huge vessels took on the agility of fighter craft and the gravitas of their conflict was thrown away in favour of 'more' on screen. More speed, more projectiles, more damage, more instant gratification at the sake of dramatic build up and appropriate pay off. As much as I loved TNG and DS9 and the Dominion war, ship combat lost the awe factor that encounters like this had. I guess that's why this is still to this day my favourite Starship duel in Star Trek.

[@coolcat6303]

When Kirk asks Checkov the last time what their distance is, he replies 4000 km. I was always curious how far exactly (in American terms) the Enterprise was from the Reliant. So, because i'm a nerd, I looked it up. 4000 km is the same as 2485 miles so that would be like the Reliant is in San Francisco & the Enterprise is way over in Detroit (even farther) right before they go into warp speed. That Genesis is one helluva big bomb!

[@Jon3067]

Did you ever watch the movie?? Genesis creates planets!! It's being fired off inside a nebula to boot. According to the novel, it can create a small solar system in such a case, which it did. One small star with one M-class planet. Minimum safe distance for that situation is measured in light-days.

[@coolcat6303]

John DeKoning Yeah i've probably watched it about a hundred times but I didn't think a self destruct would be near as powerful as when it was making planets. I was thinking more along the lines of a super hydrogen bomb. But it obviously is way more powerful than that if it's shockwaves are almost reaching the Enterprise while it's in Warp Drive.

[@devinfaux6987]

It also tells you just how crippled poor Enterprise was: impulse drive can get them up to a good portion of lightspeed; 4,000 km in 3 mins 30 sec is paltry by comparison.

[@Senna-78]

+ Devin Faux: but in that moment Enterprise was running with auxiliary power. Dou yo remember what Scotty say in the deleted scene after Reliant's attack? He says "Admiral, I've to take the mains off the lines!" After Reliant's attack in the Nebula, Enterprise is seriously damaged.

[@frankcarusi6357]

Francesco Petri

[@jimh4375]

"He's intelligent but not experienced, this pattern indicates two dimensional thinking." It's almost as if Spock just watched a JJ Abrams Film.

[@coolcat6303]

Yeah, I really luv that line. I also like that wicked grin Kirk gets after he hears it (while you see the wheels turning inside his head) & then he tells Sulu to lower the Enterprise “Z minus 10,000 meters” in order to catch Khan.

[@agamemnonn1]

Since there is nothing wrong with JJ Abrams Star Trek, it’s obvious Spock wasn’t talking about that.

[@I_Art_Laughing]

Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life near J.J. Abrams.

[@idonotexist2619]

The 3 alternate timeline movies were excellent

[@markrutledge5855]

@@agamemnonn1 I think there is a lot to dislike about Abrams Star Trek.