My 10k 5DOF Traction Upgrade - The Powerful CH2 by Qubic

[@kaywhy1337]

I will say it was incredible hard to concentrate on speaking while being thrown from side to side 🤣 Great video, can't wait to do some more testing and training

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

KYLE!!

[@MrKrampyHands]

I know right I got a bit over 15k invested in my setup all together PC wheel pedals base audio a cockpit and this dude has almost that in his cockpit it's kinda hard insane

[@Anachroschism]

An awesome bit of kit. No matter how much you spend on this, it's still cheaper and safer than the real thing.

[@snaggletoof1927]

Very cool, beefy set of hardware. Thanks for the review, N00b!

[@Mr_Latte_UK]

Interesting video, like your approach to pushing technology and how you dont mess about by getting feedback from your friend. A belt harness is something you should consider as many have found these to work well with motion/tactile systems. Someday I would like to chat with you about custom tactile effects and hardware integration. Over the last few years small groups of people in the community have been doing their own d.i.y working towards a level of tactile immersion that goes beyond what any company sells or includes with motion based systems. I hope to soon showcase my own build that will demonstrate, my ideas for a tactile based motion. Looking at new ways to incorporate multi-dimensional haptic effects over the body and by combining both telemetry generated tone generation with audio based tactile sensations. How these can also be used in combination with the games/sims audio to further enrichen that immersion and connection with your input devices with what you see/feel/hear. Look forward to your future videos....

[@lordfraybin]

I'm house shopping, and ensuring there is a space for something "like this" is always on my mind.

[@michaelhuyer1479]

I have a Simulator from Motion Systems with Yaw and Sway and Drifting in VR in Assetto Corsa its absolut fantastic ,i like your Motion Rig with surge,you have a good Feeling with breaking and aceleration

[@robertl4209]

Dang, love your videos, and there are times when I wish I live a lot closer and be friends just to try out your rigs. I still don't have motion on my MT rig.. money/time/space problems LOL

[@benmaier7232]

Sadly not my price tag. Are there many games that support such motion platforms? Is there an industry standard? Does star citizen support it?

[@Beattle1973]

After doing some looking around, which included the DOF Reality H and P series, I came across your videos and the Qubic. The one thing you didn't mention in this video, that you did with the 220 and the S25, and the only one to have mentioned it at all in any video I have seen, is the best location for it, due to vibrations. Does the CH2 minimize any of this using the 220? You mentioned these units should not be used in Condo's due to this. (Your other videos) (You actually flew over my condo in this video flying in TO). I have always wanted a motion setup for flight sim, but didn't have space till now. I also never thought about vibrations using such a thing in a condo, until now. Would the use of Vibration Absorption and Dampening Pads be helpful under the unit, or they not be enough for such a rig as the 220 and CH2?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

You run the risk of hurting your relationship with your neighbours. You can run the settings lower to minimize this but there is no guarantee

[@Beattle1973]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Well, having said that, I can see neighbours below me having an issue, however, I do not have any below me. I would only have 1 neighbour, on one side of my unit. Its a unique situation which would need more explaining, which I won't do here. However, you mention lowering settings, but, how much would that reduce the "immersion" one gets from installing one of these beautiful units, and by how much?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

@@Beattle1973 I mean, it’s not always needed to operate at 100% to achieve immersion

[@Beattle1973]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Are there any stats in regards to vibration levels it may cause on the ground, and surrounding structures from either the 220, or both the 220 and S25 that you know of? Sorry, I am just looking into if this is actually plausible or not, as I have been looking into this.

[@seattime4075]

Have you guys ever tried a 'G seat'? I find they work way better for conveying side forces like these.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I haven’t, but if you are willing to let me test it, I will gladly do that.

[@MatthiasNyberg]

What do real-life professional racing drivers say about these things (the traction loss part)? It seems pros settle for 3dof rather than 6dof? They seem mostly interested in feeling what the suspensiopn is doinng, and not so interested in trying to simulate all of the movements and g-force the car creates. Daniel Morad for example use 3dof only and swear by it. The reason I ask is that adding traction loss, going from 3dof to 6dof, can triple the price of the motion platform.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

5 DOF is the sweat spot

[@MatthiasNyberg]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Cool. I guess I could always lower the throw range in the settings if needed? What would it cost without wheel, pedals, computer, screen etc., i.e. only the motion platform itself?

[@DS52116]

@TheNOOBIFIER1337 for flight simulation exclusively, would you prefer this combination or the S25/625?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It’s compact form is really good, plus because you can modify the payload attached, it’s easier to make any type of aircraft. The S25 is the frame that the chair and controllers are on which means you are the one making the mounts and extras. Hope this helps.

[@DS52116]

⁠@@NOOBIFIER1337that does help. Sounds like logistically the CH2 is more compact, and much better to mount a modular MonsterTech setup on. What about for motion performance? The S25 has 4x the actuator length, but slower impulse as you call it. For flight do you think extra movement distance is more important? You’ve also mentioned the amount of motion is less important than the quickness of motion - which leads me to think you might find the CH2 platform the overall bigger pick, even for flight?

[@sulemanesuf8381]

How is this compared to cubic other system? For driving simulation mainly I racing and wrc rally

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

@@sulemanesuf8381 if I have a choice when playing WRC or Dirt, I usually prefer the QSS25, personally. It’s a much smoother experience.

[@Benny-v7y]

HI noob, does the qubic management software detect any of the next level motion units (given the software looks the same between next level and qubic )? Are you able to plug one in ? I’m considering the 220 but want to try it with the next level motion plus platform I already own rather than buy a ch2 just yet . Appreciate any comments thanks

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Because the CH2 is plugged into the QS220, I don’t know or at least I wouldn’t expect them to both work at the same time. Just based on how data is processed. QS220 behaves differently when CH2 is attached as they work together. I hope that helped and I am prepared to discuss it further with you if you like just contact me

[@jamesclerkmaxwell8020]

I really do not understand the difference between "being moved" and the "feeling of being moved". Can you please elaborate?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Some cheap systems move slowly and it wont make you feel like you are immersed

[@Mr_Latte_UK]

The brain/body needs "stand out" cues to represent the activity of certain sensations to enhance the immersion factor. Having either a movement/tacitle sensation or both combined as feedback lets you feel more connected to the cars activity or the sims physics. Motion systems cannot achieve sustained G but it is possible to apply high wattages with usage of ultra-low frequencies via the more advanced/capable tactile options. These need *(custom made effects) to generate felt vibrations for specific effects scenarios/activity. Yet it is possible to have these apply different characteristics via usage of different frequencies and body regions for the generated felt sensations.

[@day-man]

Noobifier do you have a full build list and how hard is integration what programming is required?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

hello, as far as a build list, its quite simple. The system is sold in 3 parts. The software is included and there is ZERO programming required. Email me if you have more questions that I can help with.

[@tek_soup]

"A PC on the Floor near your desk?" That is Heresy! don't pass go, don't collect $200 Never! a riser, wall mount, end table. 🤣🤣🤣

[@geoffholden4655]

What's the load limit. How different to the traction plus. I have the traction plus and the 3 dof qs 220pl. Like to try the. Ch2 I'm in southern Ontario Canada where are you based.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Load limit as in payload? 500lbs. It makes other systems feel like a toy. I am in Ottawa.

[@geoffholden4655]

@NOOBIFIER1337 that's the same as the traction plus. Only difference is the surge. That's what I would like to try before I buy. I live east of Toronto north of whitby. Will be in touch thanks for replying 👍.

[@TheLambinal]

Sweet socks Kyle!

[@humblegenius5553]

How does this setup compare for driving vs the qs-s25?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

TBH, the QS S25 is very easy to enjoy. The Traction loss is SUPERB for Drift and Rally. The QS S25 is also Superb, but that extra speed in rotation is a unique experience.

[@garethwells5394]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Which do you prefer for Sim racing? ... Sounds like this video beats the S25?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

@@garethwells5394 drift and rally is pretty superior on the CH2.

[@jimbodee4043]

Looks like high maintenance, I see the moly grease under the plates for lubrication.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Putting a dab of grease on a metal plate every 6 months is "High maintenance" ?

[@bystander85]

So, when can I come over? =P

[@fightingcarrot]

This vs the V20? What is the better experience?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It’s more expensive than the V20. I believe the V20 is the better “drive” but this is better for drift and perhaps rally.. it’s hard to choose

[@fightingcarrot]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 hmm so if I play mainly iRacing/AC for road racing circuits (Laguna Seca, Silverstone) with GT3/F1 type cars the V20 is the better experience? Thank you for your insight!

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

@@fightingcarrotoverall it will feel Smother

[@Malvin00]

Can this be used for GT3 iracing?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It is fully compatible with I Racing

[@Malvin00]

@@NOOBIFIER1337thank you!

[@marianhoppe1408]

Hello, it works in q mode?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Yes, but it’s already quite capable without. All of this footage was in the lowest mode on 110v

[@artiew8718]

Dofreality p3 or p6 ?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Lol, no.. those were the "Other Ones" I was talking about. They are quite laggy and slow.

[@JohanVermuyten]

If i were a rich man 🎶

[@Robotrem]

You sound like AI ngl, sounds cool tho.

[@svingbold]

If only I had the money..... And space :)

[@tek_soup]

have a friend shake you around while sitting in a chair, that's impulse. 😀😀

[@digitalfabric]

I want one. One day!

[@907th]

But does it STAR CITIZEN? :D

[@UndercoverPirate69]

Dammit I need to win the lottery 😂

[@info_fox]

Cool

[@Madd0g5148]

One day... is one day 😂

[@padeksewenejt1032]

My understanding is that without a proper G-Seat, these types of motion devices do not make much sense. When you're in a long, long corner, you should feel a sustained force pressing your thigh and part of your back into the seat. This platform only gives you sudden snappy force and that's it. G-Seat kind of solves this by using acctuators that press appropriate parts of your body depending on whether the vehicle is accelerating, decelerating, turning or a combination of forces. In my opinion, it is NOT even important with WHAT force these actuators will act on you, but that they will do it ACCORDING to the situation presented by the simulator. What's here is of course cool and everything, but I think this is only for the first wow. Over time, this would probably start to expose more and more shortcomings in the vehicle's feel. Ofcourse it is only my opinion and I don't expect anyone will agree with it :)

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

This is not our findings at all. The system performs ghost resets to prepare for repeated similar actions in the same direction.

[@michaelhuyer1479]

Yes you allright,but you need a good DDWheel with stromg force to feel the tyre Slip and grip,thats the counterpart to the Motion Sim and the forcefeedback must be in a special range,the wheel gives you all time information,in Corners you permanent on the Border to loss Grip,and the Motion Plattform moves a little bit,left right all time when you sliping around the Corners.But for all this you must be in VR or have 360 Screen

[@Meathshield]

I seriously hate you... lol but honestly youre really kind. Thanks for all the info youve helped me with through dms.

[@mookerthekow]

Cat. Edit: Naked cat

[@moomanseven]

How does a retiree afford a $20,000 computer accessory, I must be doing this wrong

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Perhaps. I do work though.. my job went from soldier to full time creator

[@voodoo22]

Did you rob a bank to afford all this

[@robdfar]

must be nice to have that free youtube money or onlyfans?? lol to afford this

[@frankd.b.9233]

Even 10,000 is way too much for what it's worth, sry

[@michaelhuyer1479]

Try it out and you blown away,its my own experience ,its so much fun , drifting its fantastic