My 1957 Lloyd LP600 Alexander Wont Start

[@fharrisstowe]

Fond memories - I had a Lloyd ("wagon") while in high school in 1964-65. Wrenching was fun - unbolt the engine, grab it with both hands, set it on the bench for clutch repair. A classmate also had one. It rolled when he failed to show the swing axels proper respect. The resultant fire (a disadvantage of putting the gas tank under the hood) encouraged me to find a different ride. And that Saab 93 was great!

[@masteller_artist]

My father was the VP of the short lived company that imported the Alexander Lloyd in 1957. I loved these cars.

[@ThisWeekWithCars]

What was the name of that company?

[@masteller_artist]

@@ThisWeekWithCars Sorry, It's too long ago and I was just a kid. I do recall the car was imported through one of the ports in Texas which is where the company was located. The owner of the import company decided to pocket the withholding taxes from his employees including my father and the IRS shut the company down in 1958 or so. Good luck with the restoration I came real close to having a new one fresh off the boat.

[@stephenhenion8304]

I love how you just pull out the really different cars!!! Then I go on KZbin or to hemmings and open up a whole new chapter on cars I never knew existed! Fantastic!!! I thank you 👍🚗🚘🚗👍

[@stephenfillingham6289]

Being British I fully understand the problem with the starter on old cars. I'm looking forward to the next instalment.

[@gregmaxfield4405]

Looking forward to seeing it run when you have the starter fixed. 👍

[@zonie1953]

I was recently looking at some old engines here in Arizona. we were looking at some things his dad had in a shed. There was two Lloyd engines in there . I had never heard of them, so with a little research i found that there was actually a Lloyd car. Very interesting car you have ! Keep up the good work !

[@BSCGDC]

Very nice job describing how the starter works and the process of diagnosing it.

[@bcgrittner]

Years ago I had a '65 Pontiac that had the same starter problem. All I had for tools in the car was a snowbrush. I placed the handle down on the starter from up above and hit the scraper end with my hand. Worked every time - got me home.

[@johnclare487]

I Have 2 here in Adelaide South Australia both 1960 Alexander TS, a wagon fully restored and running and a sedan as the next project.

[@RandyLaheySunnyvale]

That was a masters class demo of how to simply trace electrical issues. Thanks.

[@davidhusband5022]

theres a Lloyd -hartnet sitting in sydney here in australia. some sort of joint venture between an aussie and loyd i think the owner said.

[@travellifewithjobo5740]

What you have done so far is a credit to you.

[@Mercmad]

We had those down here in Australia .Sir Laurence Hartnett,the man who got the GM Holden Brand up and running and introduced Datsuns to Australia ,Did a deal With Karl Borgward to assemble Lloyd 600's here and between 1957 and 1962 he sold 3000 of them.A good effort considering the small Australian population back then. I have no idea of how many are still around here though. Hartnett was also responsible for Vauxhall becoming a GM brand in the 1920's and came up with the name "Bedford " for the trucks they built.

[@AlanG58]

A buddy of mine in Australia has a few Lloyd Hartnetts! Very neat little cars and RHD.

[@schaumyb7445]

When Borgward went broke, Hartnett then imported Datsun/Nissan into Australia......not a bad move

[@prieten49]

You've done a great job on that exterior! I can remember back in the 1960s when my Dad took the whole family to live in Vienna, Austria, for a year, I saw some of these cars driving around there. I guess the Lloyd name threw me for a loop. I thought they were British cars! Now I find out they were part of the Borgward company. The turn indicators on top of the fenders should have tipped me off.

[@maureenmillard4241]

They came with a 2 stroke or 4 stroke here in Australia, a mate had one of each, when one would breakdown he would bring out the other ,he made his wife drive them to work ,she hated them!!! Was funny to watch.Easy to spanner undo a few bolts lift up the body and wheel it away,

[@catboattwo]

Maybe my father did the original paintjob on that car....: that time he worked in the paintshop of the Lloyd factory in Bremen.

[@bigred8438]

Thank you for your video, it was very informative. It is great to see someone using a stepwise diagnosis of faults to get to the issue. There are always many factors that could contribute to a fault, and so knowing where to start is very helpful.

[@thinkmapp]

HaHa just dawned on me why I find your channel so riveting (there is the car types for sure too) - it is the Mcgyver approach - you would never be stuck anywhere!! I grew up on the '100 dollar car' the shitbox that could be had and run for a year on next to nothing provided you could get it and keep it running - was before insurance was mandatory in Canada. Best ever was one we called 'the hammer' a 65 or 6 rambler classic - not enough compression in the motor to hold it on a hill in gear (park brake not working) and a rag stuck in the rusted out fuel filler spout to keep the slush out. Drove that thing with no heat Toronto to timmins in the winter many times working on DC3s round Hudson's Bay. Cheapest one ever was a $10 dollar Austin Princess ... Love the channel!!

[@rickbailey7450]

I've had several old cars that needed a tap on the starter to get me home😉. Thx for the memories!

[@thinkmapp]

Well Steve, sometimes I think 'I won't be interested in that' - pretty set in my ways and about what cars interest me in my old age - But you always make it interesting!! Love the channel - hey don't forget the GT6 when you have time.

[@georgehimself6612]

Tapping the starter with a hammer would have been the first thing I tried, and I am not a mechanic, but I grew up driving 1960s German cars. The Alexander was not an American model, but the successor to the 600 (with 4 speed gearbox, wind-up windows etc.). Some seem to have the Alexander badge in the rear, some not (like yours). LP means sedan on the Lloyds. They were around in the streets when I was a little kid. They were never popular when new, considered lowly cars, inferior to the VW beetle.

[@Ragnar8504]

Yup, they didn't have the best reputation. According to my parents, the most common jokes were "Was hängt am Berg und singt?" (What's stuck on a mountain and sings? A Lloyd! - referring to the sound of the older two-stroke models and alleged lack of hill-climbing abilities) and "Wer den Tod nicht scheut fährt Lloyd" (Those who don't fear death drive Lloyd). On the other hand, there were jokes like that about almost any car brand. BMW was dubbed "Bayrische Mistwagen" (Bavarian garbage cars), FIAT "Fehler in allen Teilen" (faults in all parts), etc.

[@georgehimself6612]

@@Ragnar8504 Big thanks for bringing back the childhood memories! "Was hängt am Berg und singt" is something my late parents told me around 1961, when I was a little boy. I had forgotten about this. My dad taught my to drive at age 7 in my mom's 1955 Fiat Topolino Belvedere (ie station wagon), and our house was on Belvedere St.! Cars were somehow really important in the Sixties. For little boys, anyway. Being a native German speaker (not national, though), I am aware of all the car brand acronyms, most of them are quite fitting. Bring Mich Werkstatt!

[@brwlegge]

Had a 1960 MG Magnette, learned the hammer to starter trick way back! Great videos, let's see more of the DWK and Lloyd.

[@jorgefernandez-mv8hu]

That is a pretty cool car that i have not seen before and I like how thorough you were in diagnosing your problem. Keep up the good work👍👍

[@Martmns]

Your '57 Lloyd has been down on power and now won't start? No biggie! Just take it to your nearest local Lloyd dealership and have their skilled technicians and parts people put everything right. Oh, wait....never mind. :)

[@jarikinnunen1718]

10:05 Some flash occured when you tap the motor?

[@emgriffiths1861]

I remember pushing one of those ceramic German fuses into an old Mercedes- the circuit was live and it melted immediately - melting the metal part that my thumb was touching- ouch and a nice scar for years

[@emgriffiths1861]

@@Rick-S-6063 The Mercedes replaced an Opel Rekord

[@gazzafloss]

Worn brushes on the commutator/armature, I'd bet that'll be it. A neighbour of ours had one of those when I was a kid 60 years ago.

[@Prestone44]

You say that you have modified elements of the bodywork then it is very beautiful work one would believe it of origin it is superb thank you for preserving this heritage.

[@richardherbst8081]

WOW Steve! I was just looking through an auto magazine today and took a fancy to a 58 Alexander LS600 estate wagon. It is in great shape and they are asking $7,500. 30k miles solid and clean! I can give you the contact info if you are in the market.

[@donmacdonald7758]

Always good to see old European technology and techniques in cars you don t get to see.

[@dukeallen432]

Another fun interesting vid. Take the starter apart. See what's inside. Bearings. Brushes. Rust. Clean, lube and probably be okay.

[@louvendran7273]

I really enjoy your videos. Greetings from Auckland.

[@kurtappley4550]

If you removed the band at the back of the starter you could easily get at the brushes. probably just a little sticky from sitting. Used to be a couple of Lloyd vans at a salvage yard west of Sioux Falls.

[@fishaussie9112]

Brings back memories My father had one

[@joeanthony4903]

I drove my Lloyd in high school.

[@overmarsdaria3222]

Thank you Steve, I love your video and you simple instructions how to start an old car , keep on uploading,much obliged.

[@perrosdemaiz]

I like your trouble shooting process. Well explained. Thank you.

[@88SC]

I can think of one American vehicle that used a 4-speed column shift - early 1960s Ford Econoline vans. They had a 144 cubic inch six that didn’t produce an abundance of torque. The transmission was English sourced, called the Dagenham IIRC. In my 50+ years of observing cars, I only remember seeing one Lloyd being used as street transportation!

[@chuckhaynes6458]

I like it. So much thinking outside the box in post war German Auto Design. Always been a fan of Borgward.

[@davidwalton4464]

Really clear and instructive videos Steve. Well done mate. Keep them coming.

[@Smegacool]

You sure have some neat cars...Thanks!

[@TylerLinner]

The DKW then this. I'm loving the latest projects! Keep it up. It'd be great to see a video just on rebuilding the starter, or whatever you do next.

[@MrFlyingguy]

lovely car, thanks....... in your footage of the test drive in the car park, there was a weird tractor on belts....is that something you work on too?

[@MichailKnoller]

Really an odd ball reservoir...right, did you check the brushes and commutator ? The copper plate in the solenoids got a nasty habit of..rusting thus causing problems. As far as the fuses are concerned, you can ignore the 5 on the left - only lighting. What you had in your hand was rear indicator and brake light - the little one at the rear end is only rear lamp and nothing else ! Make sure the red light for the dynamo comes on, maybe it is only the bulb. Because space to take out the starter is limited, there were 1 2 mil nuts - not 13 - M 8 there - from the factory.

[@MrPorsche11]

we used to have a 59 Goliath made by Borgward

[@HamJamming]

I agree with CXensation: you can't check battery connections that way. You have to load the circuit down heavily before you will get any voltage drop. Refer to Ohm's law.

[@garypearson7689]

My dad had a Lloyd it was a little mini van he bought it used. I found a video on KZbin that shows a window one his was a two door two seater

[@richardhemingway6084]

The old trick of thumping the starter, usually means that the brushes are not making proper contact with the commutator. That's the place I would have looked first. The brushes are worn beyond the spring tension. Or, on a vehicle that has been left a while, crud just builds up on the brush carriers.

[@justdna4385]

I am going to have to catch up on your old videos for more Llyod content.

[@mebeasensei]

Nice little car. Was expecting a two stroke, but with a four stroke it has a lot of potential. I admit, nothing wrong with those lights moved down but they looked kind of unique on top! Good colour choice too. This is really sweet. I hope you don't change it too much, but it is surely possible to give it some decent power for a 600cc twin. Maybe 50-60hp, with the right tuning, and then it will be safe (ish) to drive around with traffic? Just an idea. Very cool car.

[@ThisWeekWithCars]

The colors are the original colors. I did not paint the inside and so I knew from the dashboard the original color.

[@rayswann7618]

On british 60s cars you needed a big hammer for the starter and a small hammer for the electric fuel pump

[@BA-gn3qb]

Well . . . That was a good start.😉 Nice cold war no frills dash and interior on that car.

[@JourneymanRandy]

I have never seen a LLOYD. Did you remove the engine and trans to paint it. Nice paint

[@ThisWeekWithCars]

No I left it in place and masked around it.

[@strokenumber3]

I don't know how , but you are getting some really cool cars .

[@Rabblewitz]

Neat little car I'd never heard if before.

[@yantolee4017]

do you own all the cars you are showing? what about the building?

[@briangreen6602]

Interesting car I'd never heard of. Looks like it runs quite a bit of camber at the rear .

[@dweebert]

That's how the wheels look like on axles with swing axle suspension (pivot at differential )

[@simoncampbell-smith6745]

Have you considered the joys of a Trabant?

[@ThisWeekWithCars]

Always wanted one.

[@simoncampbell-smith6745]

@@ThisWeekWithCars Difficult to import into the USA one would imagine. They are not too hard to get here in the UK, but export to USA it would have to comply with US vehicle regulations one would imagine.

[@johncarver2527]

My brother owns 2.5 of these cars. You can unbolt almost every panel and replace them easily. He bought his first one for $25.00

[@mikefandango3343]

Thanks I learnt something from this video!

[@helenas83]

I think that you need to check in on “Lloyd Sverige” on Facebook! I run that group. Me an my husband have 4 Lloyd cars 💪🏻

[@edsalerno2790]

Interesting German car. Looks like a blast to drive.

[@paulsutton5896]

As an eight year old child, in 1957, I readily found Lloyd in my "Observer's book of cars". Even then I thought it was willfully ugly. With a little more sophistication .courtesy of a further sixty two years on the same planet, I realize that it must have been designed for a German population, still devastated by the war. But the Germans were on their way back to prosperity, which is why Lloyd no longer exists.

[@furripupau]

Lloyd did everything the Mini did (front wheel drive, 2 box body, transverse engine) before the Mini existed and stole all the glory. Also should mention, the Trabant was a copy of the Lloyd (with the earlier 2-stroke engine).

[@BlueRidgeJ79]

Wow...I wonder how many of these were sold in the States...I have never seen one!

[@bryancohn9406]

Steve, the whole time I was thinking, “We both know your going to wack it with a hammer and it’ll spin.” 🤣 Keep up the good work, your videos are improving all the time.

[@Jdflana1]

My dad had one that was called a Goliath. It was an adventure to own.

[@MichailKnoller]

Goliath is a different factory, but Borgward, Goliath and Lloyd were owned by Carl F. W. Borgward.

[@briansimpson3110]

I had a 1952 British Lloyd water cooled 2 stroke car I have a picture of it how could I send it to you?

[@dano4572]

loosen up,,, and retighten up,, those( 2), what looks like 10 or 12 mm bolts on the starter motor and it will be fixed!!! don't dought me!! just sayin @ 10:40+, watch the spark at the screw (left side of the starter body), that's when I made my mind up. just havin some fun here.

[@dano4572]

just havin some fun here.

[@henkbroekhuijsen6399]

Thanks for sharing, great videos

[@mikemcoooo]

great video but you never finish loss interest fast

[@alanstanley9465]

very informative thanks

[@MetalTrabant]

Too bad you had to shave off the indicators and rear lights... those are highlights of the design. I hope you can replace them one day, I know they're hard to find, especially in the US... Ah, so tapping the starter with a hammer is based on reality in the GoldenEye James Bond-movie, where the Russian contact smashes something with a hammer in an old Zaporoshetz 965, and it just starts :D Anyway, cool car, hope to see more of it!

[@ThisWeekWithCars]

I will have to watch that movie again thanks!

[@tomb8847]

A friend of mine has all exterior sheet metal for Lloyd 600 for sale also the front axle Located in Cincinnati Ohio

[@holger5555]

A car from Dr. Borgward Bremen.Original the car has long lights on the front of the fender and the same style on the back fender.

[@walkertongdee]

very educational...

[@peterk2162]

SUPER ‼️

[@rk22cc]

Yep keep going

[@boldorboy08]

What a curious car 😉

[@tedf1471]

Puzzled how you could completely dismantle for a complete body workover; than re-assemble mechanical components exactly as they were.

[@victortamini847]

Yes! More on this coooool old German car.

[@JamesAllmond]

Might just need to clean out the inside of the starter... Standard thing to do back in the day that car was designed and built... Even my 2011 Ural needs that done occasionally.

[@3goldfinger]

First I heard of that car since the 60's.

[@paull544]

Keep em comin

[@mikego18753]

Enjoyable vid.

[@noorzaidi220]

# Similar matter with old cars , 56 years of age what you expect ..., the period of usage had expired ..., just replace with brand new starter can last for another 25 years , under one condition by using the starter gently at least once a week must be operating, or else you got to standby a hammer , to hit the starter body just incase you fail to start the engine ...! regards from kuala lumpur ...,

[@gus6rocks]

Checking for voltage drop as you did proves nothing. You should do what you did with the circuit under load.

[@mescko]

A Lloyd?! Where the *hell* do you find this stuff?!

[@richvandervoort2950]

Check the brushes they might just be stuck.

[@g2macs]

Hold up! Let's have a look inside, don't just fix it and bang it on I'm curious to see what's broke (u get another vid out of it)

[@ThomasSchick]

👍🏻

[@ariennelandry9207]

😊

[@hannodearing1366]

GREAT!! So, if I made it halfway around the world from Austria to Iowa, you could make a car electrician out of me, right?? :) Please!

[@georgehimself6612]

Da sind Sie hier nicht der einzige Österreicher, Herr Hofrat! ;-)

[@beowulf5982]

Solution is simple. You didn't Whack the starter hard enough, a sledge hammer might just do the trick. (If it works leave it alone, if not, knock the shite out of it)

[@cheftush]

Just barely fits on the lift track wise.

[@ThisWeekWithCars]

Yes and the lift has been narrowed from what it is supposed to be already!

[@martinstewart5205]

What a beautiful car,can’t wait to see it finished mechanically,it would be real cool with an electric motor instead of the 600cc petrol motor.

[@dukeallen432]

No!

[@edmarkham2632]

Yes, that was very well done. That is how it done. I can't wait for the next one.

[@donmacdonald7758]

Lets get her out for a cruise.

[@CXensation]

You must load the connections with a power draw, to find any weak connections. Thats why you should use a test light, like a 5W light bulb, that would impose a current draw of just under 1A (on a 6V system). This will immediately show a weak connection, as the bulb would glow dim or barely glow.

[@charleskrutzen94]

You mean Borgward, not Wartburg....