My 2013 Nissan Leaf died after parked for one week

[@chrissscottt]

Having owned a Leaf and having been a member of a Leaf owner's facebook group, the problem is nearly always the 12V battery.

[@tellusw9701]

Yes, a bad 12 volt battery can empty the high volt in a coupe of days. When voltage gets below 10,5volt even when parked, the main battery kicks in and charges. Then it cosumes ~300watts (all computers alive) until 12volt is full, then repeat if 12v is bad. Or it could be that the charging cable was connected but no juice in other end(wall), as some other here explained. I dont think he forgotten to turn car off.

[@user-xs1vu4tg8h]

So good to see Marcus getting more and more comfortable om camera. He seems such a great guy!

[@aatheus]

I know the Gen 1 LEAFs had a charging bug where if you leave the cable plugged in after the car is full, it does not top up the 12v battery. So you need to unplug it once full. I had a hire car in the UK that died for that reason. It sat at the local council, plugged in, for 3 weeks

[@harvey66616]

Actually, it's worse than that. The design issue would actively discharge the 12V battery if the car was left plugged in. The 12V battery only gets charged when the drive battery is engaged, i.e. you actually drive the car some nominal number of miles. So if you have a charging timer set, the car will wake up periodically to charge the car, find that the drive battery is fine (since it's just been left plugged in, not driven), and then go back to sleep. The wake/sleep cycles eventually run the 12V battery down. The owner's manual actually does warn that if you don't intend to drive the car for an extended period of time, it should be parked unplugged.

[@igorbarac12]

Trip to Mo i Rana with classic Ioniq would make one great video!

[@benjaminhanke79]

ABC Always bring cable! At least "The Sun" shines on the small solar panel.

[@jenkinseric2]

I love how you mock "the sun" subtly.

[@jameslastinger]

It´s called "Marcus-touch" but unlike the "Midas-touch" it does not turn anything into gold but drains EV batteries to 0 percent.

[@stuffilike4498]

The common denominator seems to be Marcus! It would be interesting to measure the input to the 12v from the solar charger on the Leaf. A fossil alternator would put 14.6 ish volts back into the battery when the engine is running but remember that battery has to run all the electrics (lights/HVAC/etc) How much does the Leaf send to the 12v battery in operation? Probably not that much as the demand (central locking/key id/dash ??) will be fairly low as the main battery will power most other circuits once the car is 'started' The main message from recent posts is that you should Always Be Changing the 12 v battery to avoid the 'agony' 😂

[@marierogers1865]

More Marcus videos please

[@MrDraedd]

I former Leaf driver, so just unplug "minus" on 12v battery if you are not planning to use it for a long time.

[@areandersen]

Phone is fine, but use something like iPhone 15 Pro with good stabilization/quality and mic👍🏼 There are also many phone holders and accesories to make the setup really good and convinient

[@bjornnyland]

Nope. Any phone is shit regardless of how new it is. And the phone I was using already had stabilizer.

[@jr-pl9kj]

i find that the solar panel on the leaf is quite useless, its supposed to keep the 12v battery charged when the car is parked for a long time but the 12v battery still goes dead, i had it happen to me, its better to just plug the car in because the charger not only charges the traction battery it also activates the DC to DC converter in the leaf to charge the 12v lead acid battery too.

[@proesterchen]

Time for a Viking funeral?

[@gautearefjord]

He is an Asian living in Norway, not Viking

[@JK-gv1dp]

Greta wouldn't like it 😉

[@harvey66616]

Not sure if either of these are what you ran into, but with my 2013 LEAF (RIP) I ran into two different issues with the 12V battery. The first was that I went on vacation and left the car plugged in. The 12V battery only charges if you drive the car, but the car wakes up periodically to check for charging if it's plugged in, and the cycles of waking up and going back to sleep drained the 12V battery. I was gone for several weeks and by the time I got back home, the 12V battery was completely dead. :( The second was a flaw in the 3G cellular radio. The car came equipped with a 2G radio, but 2G was decommissioned in the US and I wound up buying the 3G upgrade so that Carwings would still work. That turned out to be a bad decision, because the 3G radio system had a bizarre problem where if you charged the car to 100%, then the 3G radio would activate excessively and discharge the 12V battery overnight. On that second one, the most infuriating part was that the local dealer's service shop refused to acknowledge the problem, even though there were other owners on the web describing the problem and even citing a Nissan-provided service bulletin. In order to demonstrate the problem, I first had to reliably reproduce it; I eventually figured out it was connected to charging to 100%, so there was a period when I was charging to 100% regularly to demonstrate the problem to the dealer. Even that wasn't good enough for them, so I had them disable the 3G radio. At that point, the problem went away completely. Only after all that did they finally agree to talk to Nissan, get the info about how to fix it, and fix the problem. But by then, the drive battery had degraded significantly...we went from a battery that had almost 90% of its original capacity, to one that had less than 70%, in a matter of a month or two. :( Of course, there are lots of other ways things could go wrong, and maybe your problem was something completely different. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of those two things. The second problem seems the most likely to me, given your observed behavior, especially if your car has the 3G radio upgrade.

[@OraEtLabora0]

18:15 Marcus' the "KISS OF DEATH" 💪😆

[@MetalBeerGeek]

Didn't Marcus just buy the millennium falcon when the 12v battery died during the zero mile test?

[@OraEtLabora0]

@@MetalBeerGeek why are you asking me? do you assume random viewers are FOLLOWERs like yourself? 🤦‍♂

[@0-Will-0]

The king of EVs driving around in an old leaf is kind of charming.

[@bjornnyland]

Spent too much on swimming pool, heated garage and expensive tiles.

[@rahuljha3965]

​@@bjornnyland😂

[@michaolszewski892]

Buy Noco10 and charge overnight your 12V battery 😉 lead acid batteries love to be full all the time

[@karla6999]

Hi, it‘s not only these old ones, Ioniq 5 & 6 as well as EV6 and others are still to be switched on and off by a button. The only ones, I‘m sure of to work like Teslas are the VW id‘s. Since you drive so many different cars it might be worth mentioning it when testing them. For me that Start Button is a NoGo for my future car. Thanks!

[@decimal1815]

I'd love to know if that solar panel does anything at all! :)

[@martinweston8147]

Not much on a November day in Norway, is my calculation

[@LasVegar]

@@martinweston8147 yeah mine is frozen/snowed over and day ligth for a few hourse

[@hamfish225]

The phone is allright for vlog videos, just need maybe the nice mic to go with it!

[@matthiasknutzen6061]

The phone camera quality is good, some mic problems intermittently only

[@bjornnyland]

It's actually quite shit once you compare against the camcorder.

[@johnodell5310]

No phone camera can ever compare with a proper still or video camera. It's all about sensor size. The tiny sensor in a phone is 10 to 20 times smaller than the one in a professional still or video camera. They can do tricks with software, but it's all down to the sensor size!

[@bjornnyland]

A proper semi-pro camcorder also offers: - Better optics - Opical zoom - Better ergonomics - Better sound - Better stabilizer - Way less compression artifacts - Way better image controls and manual controls - Way better focus

[@Romulus451]

Better go for E-Golf than Frankenstein and "Leaf" it there😉 E-Golf for the win 😁

[@showme360]

Yes Bjorn the 12v figures are just below the temp guage and its charging the 12v at 18.04A (see 2:35) your 12v is suffering man. We are having the same problem with our old 2011 Leaf. It seems if you leave the car for more than 4 days the 12v goes dead. I see your Leaf is at 65% SOH whereas ours is at 61% on teh Leaf Spy (at 13:26). But yes get the 12v system checked ouit, as I for one would like to see if teh car is draining the battery. We bought another 12v as a spare in the car.

[@LasVegar]

i belive that the obd2 dongel use power while the cars off, and drains the 12v

[@bjornnyland]

But the OBD adapter was not connected.

[@mikaelhagg2553]

Perhaps Marcus been out joyriding.😆

[@markelkins8432]

You should only buy phone holders for your vehicles which have induction charging already built-in.

[@bjornnyland]

It doesn't help since the phone doesn't have induction charging.

[@marcusinberg8742]

18 November - Charge too 66 km range ( have picture )

[@Bud_Terence]

@Bjorn Phone for recording is ok with me 👍(as long the sound is good too). Maby better to not carry the big camera around, do it how you feel the most comfortable. 😉

[@maur.8642]

If you keep plugged the charger the 12v will not charge, if is cold or forgot to turn it off.. bye bye 12v battery..

[@AvalancheCleo]

I like you. I love your reviews. After I drove the EV6, I watched your review and it is the best car I've ever had. I will also NOT buy a Nissan Leaf. But back in the day of course they were pioneers.

[@jenkinseric2]

Locally a woman had a leaf that the dealer said needed a new drive battery for a huge price. On a zoom call for the Vancouver Electric Vehicle Association we advised her to change the 12 volt battery. Cost her half what the dealer wanted and solved all her problems. Very few dealerships are not stealerships

[@benjaminhanke79]

How is that possible. Does it recharge the 12V when the car is off and locked?

[@kitecattestecke2303]

So when drive battery is 7000usd she replaced the 12V battery for 3500usd was better deal? 😂

[@therealcdnuser]

I know it’s the 12v battery but would love to see you Frankenstein it with an ecoflow battery pack.

[@rahulshah1408]

I miss my i3. Such a cool car.

[@patryyyk6653]

Why would you need a babysitter if your wife is home?

[@bjornnyland]

You are obviously a man and not a pregnant woman...

[@patryyyk6653]

@@bjornnyland I am a man that lived with a pregnant woman though (now I live with a woman and a child :)) I didn't mean no disrespect

[@gridjac]

Save the Leaf! Battery swap it!

[@robinkalis8889]

My 12v battery was 2.5 volts. It was standing for 8 days. (LEAF ACENTA 2013)

[@ramalho]

Can you not locate a decent used battery pack for Frankenstein? Something that will give you better range

[@toranderssrvold8084]

It is virtually impossible to lock a leaf while the car is running...

[@danielvasilev7527]

My be in the first gen 2010-2012 with EM57, but in my 2013 leaf it is possible to lock the car while it is ready for drive.

[@eunu6928]

I charged fast charge today at 3*c with 1-3kwh :)))) Leaf :))

[@briise]

this saturday 25/11 we have cold record at the mo i rana airport -26,6 celcius

[@achikokaxeli]

It's kinda Leaf problem (ZE0 at least) draining 12v batary while standing off 😢

[@mchipelo]

The only right side is the front :) Sure it might get dirty but I never had any issues charging the Zoe (front charging port) and now with the Ioniq I had to look for different chargers twice already (in 3 fast chargers) because the cables don't reach the charging port. They either put the charger on the left or in the middle between two charging spots...never seen one on the right side.

[@bjornnyland]

Come to Norway during winter and you will change your mind.

[@mchipelo]

@@bjornnyland Probably 😂 but here were the most we get is some rain, the front charging port is really convinient. Either that or the chargers should have some longer cables!! :D

[@MrUled]

Phone video is fine, however you musk use external microphones. In low light it may not be as good though

[@secarastefan8914]

What diagnostic interface and application you are using? I have a Mazda mx30, I don't know what's best for it. Thx

[@bjornnyland]

LeafSpy

[@steinarhaugen7617]

Kondolerer.

[@swecreations]

Charge the 12v battery and it will be fine

[@freshnost5197]

Do you know if Marcus has some spare ID4's?

[@SustainableGal]

The rode wireless go has phone adapter anyway? but does Samsung S9+ have headphone jack?

[@bjornnyland]

That wouldn't help since I didn't bring any video equipment...

[@SustainableGal]

@@bjornnyland true but I mean going forward if you want to use phone for some videos, but I like your camera because the optical zoom! Is really useful, for looking at stuff in distance 😉

[@bjornnyland]

Better to just bring my camera bag with camcorder.

[@SustainableGal]

@@bjornnyland 🤟😁

[@arpa592]

Was the seat warm?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@catmanscarchannel]

Phone is ok to use but get a proper phone then. Apple or latest Samsung is way better.

[@bjornnyland]

Nope. Any phone is shit regardless of how new it is.

[@stefanbjornsson]

Replace the battery with a 40kw battery

[@bjornnyland]

*40 kWh

[@EuroYXX]

@@bjornnyland Or the upgraded model - 40 KWH per hour.

[@SvenQ45]

This garage is ABC. Always Bring Cola.

[@supercarspotterch2518]

Im filming My videos with the phone

[@fleecystheking]

The iPhone makes much better videos than other smart phones on the market. You should seriously consider getting one to film with, most of the defects on this video have not happened on iPhone.

[@bjornnyland]

Hell naw.

[@fleecystheking]

@@bjornnyland Your call! Just note that basically every good-looking KZbin video was either shot on iPhone or on a dedicated full camera. Android phones just don’t shoot videos that are stable or smooth enough to vlog with well just yet. It’s getting closer but as this video shows, you still have to apologize for the quality when shooting on Android. Not the case on iPhone

[@johnodell5310]

​@@fleecysthekingNot true Apple fan boy! Samsung s23 ultra shoots superb videos.

[@tridruankham2657]

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[@paescu_2k350]

Using a phone to film is ok, but you will need a better phone. E.g new Samsung galaxy or iPhone.

[@bjornnyland]

Nope. Any phone is shit regardless of how new it is.

[@paescu_2k350]

@@bjornnylandI wouldn’t say so. Dynamic range on new phones is really good. Low light performance is also much better.

[@bjornnyland]

It's not only about video quality. Sound, compression, optics, ergonomics, etc is way better in camcorders. They were made for making videos. Phones were never optimized for shooting videos.

[@paescu_2k350]

⁠@@bjornnylandyou have a point. Camcorders have bigger sensors and zoom.

[@marianilie7321]

zoe # 1

[@swecreations]

Yes, damn the degradation on a 10-year-old Zoe is so much better than a Leaf, passive cooling for the battery on the Leaf was such a mistake, good that it's the only EV that has that.

[@marianilie7321]

@@swecreations i have q210 from 2013 with 92% soh

[@NunoxFerreira]

Maybe in 10 years this E.V. "thing" will be as dead as this Nissan Leaf's battery 😅😊

[@swecreations]

The Leaf's battery isn't dead, just the 12v lead acid. Over 80% of all cars sold in Norway are EVs, so they aren't exactly going away anytime soon. 😂

[@Blasterxp]

Phone quality is horrible ;-)

[@bjornnyland]

Agreed.

[@0-Will-0]

But also a video is better than no video.

[@bjornnyland]

That's a very good point.

[@sacharanc]

Buy an iPhone ! lol

[@bjornnyland]

Hell naw.

[@danguelph2676]

Oh no, shouldn’t batteries last forever? 😂

[@swecreations]

Lead-acid batteries don't 😂

[@4EV-ER]

I think the recommendation is to change every 3 years or so. Newer Teslas switched to li-ion for 12V not sure if they last better, hopefully...

[@tridrean]

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