Like many Hoovie fans I saw this unfold through Hoovies eyes. He bought them kind of two for the price of one and then the prices doubled. So he had some big assets. When he was contemplating selling the first one, he was troubled by a big tax obligation. Selling off a car that had windfall profits would put an end to this financial concern. Clearly he wasn't ready to part with it and even though he was doing the smart thing by selling it, he found he just couldn't do it when it came time to go through with it. I think we can all relate to this. He felt bad. He sold the Diablo because he never drove it and never bonded with it so he cashed out on a windfall.
@Jesus_christ3339 ай бұрын
the diablo is so much cooler😭
@nickmaclachlan51789 ай бұрын
He spent a pile on that Diablo though. Isn't that the one that was sat without a steering rack for months on end? I'm not surprised he didn't put tyres on it before selling!
@user-od9iz9cv1w9 ай бұрын
@@nickmaclachlan5178 Right you are. I think he said that was part of the reason it never clicked. It just sat and then he never used it.
@Jesus_christ3339 ай бұрын
@@nickmaclachlan5178 yes. but looks wise? im taking that diablo
@Meekmoonlitmuse9 ай бұрын
Classic propaganda to pump up lambo values smh
@Nick2109 ай бұрын
I’m willing to bet he’d sell if you were buying for yourself. Car salesmen have a mental block against selling to someone who’s gonna flip it.
@stevenpage88479 ай бұрын
Not just salesman. Had a coworker bring a car to me that was beat with hail. I was trying to figure out how to fix it at not retail. Come to find out, he bought it to flip. I automatically was not interested.
@jaked56519 ай бұрын
Car salesman here, and you’re right. I always private sale my cars, and don’t wholesale
@Jesus_christ3339 ай бұрын
this was my first thought
@bustinyanutz41959 ай бұрын
I'm a car salesman and as long as everyone is making money and feels ok with the deal then I don't care if the buyer plans on flipping it
@hardup98099 ай бұрын
Nah dude just realized he bought a 300k car for 100 grand back then and now it's closer to 750k to mill, and a literal gold mine 20 years from now , nice little retirement nest egg
@chasetiemeyer10569 ай бұрын
Damn. Never would have thought I would have bought more cars from Hoovie than John. Riptide blue escalade still in my garage.
@sonnyburnett93939 ай бұрын
As Hoovie notes in his recent SLS video, Tyler took out a loan using the Countach as collateral presumably providing Temerian's purchase offer as a valuation to the bank. Temerian got played like a piano accordion.
@rickybobby72859 ай бұрын
Ed is the real winner here, he’s getting the views on views lol.
@EdBolian9 ай бұрын
Credit for the assist!
@AllBallN0Brain9 ай бұрын
So it’s Ed’s fault.
@vldon59319 ай бұрын
you should always get a 10% cut from anything that starts with you... :)
@Tclans9 ай бұрын
#Farmed
@kleemanjad9 ай бұрын
Ed for the win triple double figures
@BenDemytrk9 ай бұрын
I saw the title and instantly knew this would be a Temerian episode! Lol
@DunnDifferent9 ай бұрын
Same
@MAGGOT_VOMIT9 ай бұрын
Yep, I instantly pictured that Snek in my head.
@darksu69479 ай бұрын
@@MAGGOT_VOMITThis is one time when it's ok to step on snek 😂
@MAGGOT_VOMIT9 ай бұрын
@@darksu6947 😆👍
@MAGGOT_VOMIT9 ай бұрын
@@darksu6947 😆👍
@Rick-N-Something9 ай бұрын
So it all boils down to being Ed's fault..😂lol
@MAGGOT_VOMIT9 ай бұрын
Yep, don't know why Ed keeps both a Snek and Rat attached to his neck.
@Mr-pn2eh9 ай бұрын
Because he's ed Good thing he doesn't buy land cruisers
@aaronguerrette9 ай бұрын
Hoovie: Im getting divorced. John: Ill buy that shiz.
@swandonovan9 ай бұрын
Friend of mine sold him his e63 wagon with the agreement that if Tyler ever sold it, my friend got first dibs on it. Tyler then listed it for sale a while later. Friend contacted him about it and he refused to sell it back to him
@BeatersRus9 ай бұрын
he lost his mind when he got on the mopar forum with that travesty bird clone car that he overpaid for and then ended up going thru just to be able to drive it and the winged car experts told him the truth about the cars background and actual value. that car was actually Wrecked and totalled and then Clipped back together using another Body Shell.. he ranted and raved and hey he knows everything and those experts...dont. these are people who have been saving restoring and preserving wing cars for over 30 years......they can look at a Rivet and tell you if its original hardware in about .03 seconds. hoovies a real jerk...funny how he sold it shortly thereafter too. and it went to a non wing guy who has no clue. i used to be a suscriber too,till i saw the real hoovie in action.
@Christian_Johansson9 ай бұрын
Wouldn't surprise me, there's something off about Tyler Hoover.
@DustinHasVideos9 ай бұрын
I enjoy his videos but people forget he was and is a used car salesman.
@Wopadas9 ай бұрын
@@Christian_Johanssonbetween this ordeal and how slimey his introduction of his new gf immediately after his divorce, I’ve lost all interest.
@e30orbeer309 ай бұрын
The AIDS green wagon?
@BubbaSimmz9 ай бұрын
Hoovie made hundreds and hundreds of thousands, but he also lost just that much in his recent divorce. That woman took him to the cleaners.
@vornamenachname55899 ай бұрын
and that outcome was obvious for everyone after she appeared in the videos.
@regretabletangibility8 ай бұрын
Oh damn?! Already that a happened??! Wow. I can't believe Tyler did make her sign a prenup.
@Midnight.Shadows9 ай бұрын
honestly I'm glad this ended up with a happy ending, yeah John Temerian didn't get the Countach (yet) But I'm glad the two became friends and still were able to make a transaction. I think one of the problems with selling a car like that, in hoovie's case 'letting go' is that he's actually one of the passionate people about the car, so often you get these rich people that just see it as a way to more or less just launder money or it 'looks good' on their picturesque mansion's driveway. As such, those kind of people really don't care and will sell just because of a good offer, but in Tylers case, and I bet that John probably understands this which is why they're friends and didn't grow a grudge: When you actually care about the cars like these two do, its harder to let go, I'm sure both of them have cars they wish they'd never sold, and in this case for Tyler, the Countach is the one where he doesn't want to make that mistake.
@MichaelJames-lz7ni9 ай бұрын
When it comes to Ed/Hoovie cars "for-sale", the sale is motivated to promote a partnering website ('Cars and Bids' or 'AutoTempest') or to generate content - most of the REAL sales happen off-website with their personal friend network. I also see that when Hoovie says he's going to sell something, half-the-time he refuses the bids he's sent, and he ends up keeping the car....
@teddyboragina64379 ай бұрын
yes, when someone is selling something they are looking to make money. that's pretty standard.
@MichaelJames-lz7ni9 ай бұрын
@@teddyboragina6437 But you're guessing - truth be told, KZbin channel profits most-often pay for the vehicles, and the business-tax 'write-offs' mean that Ed/Hoovie pay ZIP for the cars. Since they fail to disclose the sales-prices of the cars they actually DO sell, their profit-margin is just a guesstimate.
@Christian_Johansson9 ай бұрын
Tyler Hoover is the human personification of "clickbait", he can't help but lie to get views and he has no problems with it. I would never trust someone like that, if my life depended on it I would rather go buy a coffin and embrace the end. Clickbaits and the persons using them for profit are the main thing ruining internet and especially youtube.
@abigalanderson74949 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, Hoovie payed 250k for both cars from a doctor
@kimosabbe509 ай бұрын
Yup. And it was the Car Wizard that turned him on to the deal. Both the Wizard and the previous owner (eccentric Doc) are into tanks (of all things)
@H_tudor5 ай бұрын
Tanks 😭😂
@CLCIII9 ай бұрын
Love Hoovie and Ed. John, not so much. He just comes off a lil greasy to me. Baiscally whining about Hoovies windfall at the end. Moreso now that he blasts Hoovie due to the lack of his due diligence. Typical used car salesman. Very ironic that a "Hoovie fan" buys it unadvertised.
@robbrossman52569 ай бұрын
Agreed
@kengibson4028 ай бұрын
Yeah I really hate this dude.
@anthonystanley30179 ай бұрын
Seems to me like John’s still sore about not being able to make hundreds and hundreds of thousands off Tyler
@WTFAUTO9 ай бұрын
So a used car dealer is complaining that a different used car dealer made more money on a car then him? I dont understand the complaints... you made money on a car you sold very easily, this should have been a thank you hoovie video haha.
@Heyitsallgoodman9 ай бұрын
Selling a car thats not fully maintained can be a handoff of a gernade. When you sell to Jihn, hes gonna flip it. But he'll sort it first. Thats why you see him to sell your car
@BatCaveOz9 ай бұрын
I hope that John Temerian didn't injure his back while he was throwing Hoovie under a bus.
@timkinley17799 ай бұрын
John did nothing wrong. Hoovie is the one that kept backing out after agreeing to the deal. Here's a thought... don't do things you have to apologize for. Then no bus needed.
@ATATAT9969 ай бұрын
They are both good friends so not much throwing under the bus here. Hoovie also spoke about it at length on his channel
@undergroundoutlaw4119 ай бұрын
Sir, I don’t think you watched the video then 😂
@jeremyhanna38529 ай бұрын
I hope he did hurt is back
@Thatguy555959 ай бұрын
Tyler Hoover’s meat riders are out in full force I see 🚴 🍆
@skibik3r9 ай бұрын
Supply and demand. Zero supply, high demand. He was testing the market to see what a real offer looks like, you're wholesale, he wants retail.
@silhouette3009 ай бұрын
why just don't sell these cars on open market? what the point to making deals with flippers?
@Jesus_christ3339 ай бұрын
i met tyler, hes a really nice guy. i doubt there was any ill will towards the transaction.
@bwofficial17769 ай бұрын
I don't think there was either. Hoovie knows how iconic the Countach is and how much it's worth. He liked having it and couldn't part with it. I don't blame him, I'd have trouble selling a nice Countach that I got the deal of the century on either.
@dillonh3216 ай бұрын
Tyler has had a rough time for the last year or so. Between divorce and poor financial choices (renovating a farm and not paying taxes). So he probably really needed the money so he tried to get himself to sell it but just couldn’t because he loved it too much.
@theczar61719 ай бұрын
Well worth it nothing like taking a Lamborghini and doing donuts in it in the snow. As a born and raised Chicago in. If I had the means I’d be doing the same damn thing. Donuts in the parking lot full of snow.
@daveshore86719 ай бұрын
Maybe it’s simply he was getting divorced and had to deal with asset issues and the courts.
@JonRiceBeard9 ай бұрын
I don't blame hoovie for backing out of the Lamborghini deal..... john comes off as a real prick
@racerx84107129 ай бұрын
So you don't blame him for being a prick? Smh.
@JonRiceBeard9 ай бұрын
@@racerx8410712 do what now?
@maegenyoungs25919 ай бұрын
SBF buys a Lamborghini… he loooks and sounds just like him.. he could play Sam bankman freed in a movie
@bgj29409 ай бұрын
Don't blame him for not selling to you. The market was still on the rise and you were trying to force a sale. Good on him for passing. You CANT FORCE A SALE.
@nick21289 ай бұрын
True . But there is also freedom of speech, I don’t think he harassed Tyler about it he was just frustrated and rightfully so. Time is money especially if you are running a business. Personally I probably would keep this to myself but I get it
@wakemiamigreatagain9 ай бұрын
STOP!! Don't tell Hoovie's ex-wife how much the Countach has appreciated!
@natec43599 ай бұрын
I never was much for selling to resale people. I know they have to make a profit but with Hoovie's notoriety he would have no problem getting at least retail for them. I have a guy right now that wants a bunch of my early 60s f100 parts to for pennies to resell when we know the same people. Maybe he's a better salesman though.
@DustinHasVideos9 ай бұрын
In general I agree but I disagree on this case because John’s business isn’t flipping cars quick. He takes in cars and makes them like new. He makes his premium from the prestige of selling a sorted car. I have friends who buy imported cars from Driver Motorsports because they believe (and usually true) that the car is more expensive but has been went through and will be higher quality
@coyster5309 ай бұрын
I actually prefer the 25th anniversary over the earlier cars
@markpass42159 ай бұрын
Not again…how many times have we heard Temerian bleat on and on about this ?……Yaaaaaaaawwwn…Meoooooow….get him a saucer of milk
@violinmiata9 ай бұрын
Love some Hoovie and love some Curated. Cheers to all!
@wisdomSP9 ай бұрын
Car Trek? Now there's a show we haven't seen in a while...
@ddivinia9 ай бұрын
Cheap off the wall tires. Come on - do it all cheap is his policy.
@aspalovin9 ай бұрын
I'm in the minority of Countach fanboys because a pearl white anniversary car is my dream machine.. But it must be a Euro spec bumper car. I love every Countach but that Pearl Anni.. Yup.. Good thing that decision isn't a problem for me. A rusty 05 Caravan that won't die works too! It's my Lame Bore Mini.. Holds more chix!😜
@thiagopepper9 ай бұрын
I know Hoovie is no saint, and I’m curious about why, with the exception of Wizard, and maybe the Car Ninja, no one stays around him and his channel for too long. But geez, Temerian always gave me the wrong vibe and it just got worse w/ him digging up this story yet again, claiming everything is good and yet seeming still so salty about those deals. Complaining about unobtanium lambo tires? C’mon dude…
@troyjollimore41009 ай бұрын
Why do people seem to think they know absolutely everything that’s going on about someone… based on just a few videos? 🤦♂️
@benhadden70389 ай бұрын
Does John from curated identify as an excavator? Sounds like he’s just digging up the past
@joelanucha39299 ай бұрын
Yeah, but what was the whine?
@pas-kv8ud9 ай бұрын
“I want to buy your car so I can immediately resell it and make some money”. Nothing but a sleazy used car salesman who should not be trusted.
@TravelingStacker9 ай бұрын
Then why did Hoovie, who knows what he does, approach him with the deals in the first place?
@beratsbuilds9 ай бұрын
Hahahaha, these are the juicy stories we've all been waiting for 😂
@realDonXeon9 ай бұрын
There's a whine in this video...and I'm listening to it.
@andydufresne80349 ай бұрын
The 25th Anniversary is rare and special enough for me to be kind of miffed at Martin Scorsese for destroying one just to make a movie about that horrible guy who destroyed another. Two of Pagani's first major artworks lost to a toxic story the world would have been better off ignoring. Tommy Chong should have never told him to write an autobiography, Scorsese should have used his time and money to make a different movie, and they should have shaved an hour off it by editing-out all the pointless f-bombs.
@Jim-Slade9 ай бұрын
There were two cars used in the film. The destroyed one was a kit, not a real Lambo.
@andydufresne80349 ай бұрын
@@Jim-Slade They destroyed a real one for the movie. It's just gone up for auction.
@TheNismo7779 ай бұрын
He wont sell it for a person who is just going to flip it, zero respect.
@integrafreak19 ай бұрын
I mean who looks at Hoovie and thinks you can trust him
@RumblesBettr9 ай бұрын
Cant stand that guy hes the reason i cant watch car trek
@rickycoker58309 ай бұрын
I feel the same way about Ed B and John T And all used car salesman tbh
@evalonious9 ай бұрын
7:38 OH I guess you didn't hear! Tyler installed a "Gurney Bubble" on the Countach. So, yeah...😂❤🏁
@secretsquirrel37939 ай бұрын
Content creation folks. Create some uncertainty, controversy, etc and watch tje clicks!
@hemantshahi20329 ай бұрын
This gus gives me the vibe foe (Aging wheels) chanel guy a slightly touchup version.
@JamesMckelvie-f5o9 ай бұрын
Ed stop hosting this guy! Please.
@scottjua9 ай бұрын
Yep… so scummy
@jordancapps95219 ай бұрын
Yeah, I would expect Tyler to be rather high-strung, cagey, and indecisive to deal with. He's one of those high energy guys that is just so much fun to be around, but a pain in the **s to work with at times...even if they are skilled in their craft.
@Mid-LifeChrisis9 ай бұрын
I tired to buy a few of hoovies cars in the past. He ghosted me before I could make an offer. I don’t believe he’s as good of a person as he shows.
@HappyDude19 ай бұрын
Thats almost always the case The person you see on your screen is very different in real life
@troyjollimore41009 ай бұрын
Or something with you was a definite red flag… 😉
@robbrossman52569 ай бұрын
Sure , or maybe he didn’t want to sell to you.
@troyjollimore41009 ай бұрын
@@robbrossman5256 There’s probably more than a few people like Mid-Life that message him repeatedly, trying to buy one of ‘the Hoopties’…
@Mid-LifeChrisis9 ай бұрын
@@robbrossman5256 could Care less at this point so it’s irrelevant
@akashk9119 ай бұрын
you are a businessman. You buy if he's ready to sell, if not just move on. Don't just prey and stalk them for what they own. You know you'd profit off of someone's situation. Cause, you are a businessman.
@chassegallerie29109 ай бұрын
Each time I see this guy, I get a "shady used car dealer" vibe from him. Also, he says things are ok between him and Hoovies, yet, he come back to that old story once more. At least, this time he's nicer in the way he puts it. And we can see some of his fans are in the comments dissing Hoovies. That's sad.
@tommylucatiel79119 ай бұрын
They are literally all a bunch of shrewdly negotiating used car salesman... there's no high ground here.
@robbrossman52569 ай бұрын
agreed
@jasonsimpkins90699 ай бұрын
He was working behind the scenes. People were probably saying no.
@memertmemes25869 ай бұрын
u supported him in which way?
@mikaelfoxgate9 ай бұрын
I was hoping for John to have learned something from Ed. Unfortunately, the shrewd negotiation didnt meet right smack dab in the middle at 25000.
@kellyscars9 ай бұрын
This just seems like a bad idea all around, just keep bugging him until he caves in!
@TheGavinbullard9 ай бұрын
They guy reached out to him multiple times to sell jackass
@MAGGOT_VOMIT9 ай бұрын
@@TheGavinbullard Ummm.........no, go lie down.
@th3b0untyhunter9 ай бұрын
If someone kept bugging me, he or she would be the very last person I'd sell to. Especially if it were this awful excuse for a human being
@kellyscars9 ай бұрын
@TheGavinbullard I'll give you a Buffalo Nickel if you take a breath and calm down. It's a comment on KZbin. Don't name call. Your mother raised you with better manners.
@Heyitsallgoodman9 ай бұрын
It's not called bugging. The aim is polite and persistent. Sometimes check in every year. BUT when it is for sale the guilt of all those calls means they'll give you first crack
@DolllarStone9 ай бұрын
Bro leave Hoovies countach alone its the cherry on the cake for his collection.
@youcanthide0049 ай бұрын
Love your channel and content, Equally love Hoovies channel and content.
@brandonford80929 ай бұрын
So what was the whine in the Diablo?
@mattf490069 ай бұрын
The ex wife wanting a G wagon
@benhadden70389 ай бұрын
@@mattf49006that matched her green card
@dillonh3216 ай бұрын
@@mattf49006lmao
@gauravjoshi63109 ай бұрын
It has to be John from Curated, you handled this nice bud, way more professionally. Kudos
@t205949 ай бұрын
You have 3 things car money title you can only have 2. Until 1 changes hands no deal is final.
@magicandlacecardboredtotea63279 ай бұрын
This guy is such a used car salesbro
@JamesMckelvie-f5o9 ай бұрын
Your a winner. Tyler doesn’t owe anything!
@Nihil1st13479 ай бұрын
Didn't Tylor buy the young timer Lambos from Ed? I found there are a few US car youtubers selling their cars among one another. It's more fun until you notice.
@robblack75609 ай бұрын
I'd no problem buying his cars, most were in the original boxes.
@Condrayack3 ай бұрын
Same guy who ACTUALLY burned Doug got salty from someone who just don’t want to sell some cars. The irony is so funny here.
@augustinf9 ай бұрын
If the 25th anniversary is much cheaper is not because of the rarity ; it’s because it looks terrible. Pagani destroyed Gandini’s purity. LP400 or 5000QV are the dream, with or without wing, both look great.. and european specs y f course. Red black or white they all look great. Just those side skirts and all those add ons on the 25th anniversary yurkkk.. so cringy! I despise the 25th anniversary so much it’s a terrible car
@kengibson4028 ай бұрын
This is the same guy that hunted down a rare lambo and said it was his dream car and sold it almost instantly…
@ralphinator29 ай бұрын
Hoovie shouldn't sell to you anyway. He should find out who the real customer is and make the deal with them.
@JOSERODRIGUEZ-zq5ib9 ай бұрын
tyler hoovie typing.........😂
@valfssantiago9 ай бұрын
ohhhh.. theres a WHINE coming from the engine. I thought he said there's WINE coming from the engine.
@viscountalpha9 ай бұрын
I hope hoovie never sells the countach. it's a GORGEOUS car and you shouldn't ever sell your dream car.
@MBADICH-m7m9 ай бұрын
Catch him at the post next Barrett Jackson! Curated balls 🏈
@scottleitner48019 ай бұрын
When Hoovie decides to sell the Countach, I'm sure he'll call John first, knowing John wants it.
@ralphinator29 ай бұрын
But John doesn't even want it. He is just another salesman trying to make a buck off it. Tyler would do better to find out who actually wants to own it and sell directly to him.
@scottleitner48019 ай бұрын
@@ralphinator2 That's certainly true, but John is also a friend of Tyler's who has pursued the car for a while. and John might give him a better price because he knows the value.
@kidsandcars9569 ай бұрын
Hoovie got very lucky with those cars
@daexion9 ай бұрын
Hoovie never seemed interested in selling anything to this guy. Eventually, maybe, he'll get the cars he wants, but only so he can try to ensure he will always be able to be the only point of contact for controlling who gets to own them. It's a business model I'm not a fan of.
@dobie25fan9 ай бұрын
great work, John! hoovie comes off as childish at times and this supports my suspicion off camera as well.
@No-bu3hg9 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure if Tyler sold both he would walk away with 7 figures think he said he bought both for under 300k
@christopherkraft13279 ай бұрын
Great story!!! Thanks Ed & John!!! 🎉🎈🎊👍👍
@yesdogs15679 ай бұрын
no vinwiki vid is worth 30sec of mandatory ads.
@QuickStix268 ай бұрын
@ 03:33, Hoovies reaction, lol!
@michaelktm60619 ай бұрын
One always has to wonder how much of the profit that car sellers like Ed make on all of these transaction they actually report and pay taxes on.
@edblair52537 ай бұрын
My offer was even higher then the appraisal I did for the car. Lol
@05gtcaleb7 ай бұрын
First few mins I thought hrmm this dude just seems like someone I would never trust. And by the end of the video I would never trust that dude…..
@ron22804 ай бұрын
I don't care what the reason is, you don't handshake a deal then ghost them only to back out. Reprehensible behavior if true.
@brothacompton44479 ай бұрын
What happened to cartrek
@timkinley17799 ай бұрын
Hopefully it ran it's course.
@abigalanderson74949 ай бұрын
I think Ed said he was free last year but Freddie and Tyler were not.
@breakupgoogle9 ай бұрын
Curated is soo amazing.
@scottehrlich66539 ай бұрын
Making friends everywhere Ed goes
@tomkopp21159 ай бұрын
John stories start the day right! Thank everybody. Have a great day!
@bryce21139 ай бұрын
Glad John and Curated got destroyed when it happened. I couldn't stand John. Also glad they mended the relationship and John was able to buy the Diablo in the end.
@Troy-McLore9 ай бұрын
John Temerian moaning again about not being able to cash in from a pressure sale.
@jongib60969 ай бұрын
That’s a very polite call out 😂
@t205949 ай бұрын
The first one sounded mean
@shitbox_diaries86899 ай бұрын
I mean most young people can’t even afford a house, let alone a countach
@edblair52537 ай бұрын
Vinwiki is flash or substance. 2 million plus subs and much much much much much much less views per video. Now time to slight Hoovie and Tavarish
@MW-uy3np9 ай бұрын
Hoovie is a strange dude but sounds like he needed money for his farm and then got funded
@HaddaClu9 ай бұрын
Divorces aren't cheap either.
@MW-uy3np9 ай бұрын
@@HaddaClu Is he getting a divorce?
@HaddaClu9 ай бұрын
@@MW-uy3np Tyler filed for a divorce about 10 months ago when he started purging his car fleet and before he moved to "the farm" location. Within two months of the move he introduced his new girlfriend on the channel as well.
@HappyDude19 ай бұрын
@@HaddaClu The new girlfriend looks even more dangerous 😁
@Jailhouse_Chris9 ай бұрын
@@HaddaClu Kinda guessing there was some overlap there.
@tedbiernacki3769 ай бұрын
So when in Hoovies divorce was this Contach transaction trying to go on ? 😮😮😮
@RiddlerG39 ай бұрын
Not questioning the story, but I really cannot trust this guy
@donmynack9 ай бұрын
I wonder if this guy also got hosed by Hoovie trying to sell that SLS. LOL!