My biggest fear with the “Rey’s New Jedi Order Movie”

[@ephgm]

My biggest fear with the Rey movie? That it's actually going to be made.

[@jasonreynolds6643]

I wouldn’t worry about that. They have already cancelled 14 announced films. The woman who is allegedly making this film doesn’t have the experience to actually make this film. The film isn’t likely to actually happen.

[@Milothemighty10]

I said this many times before but if this movie doesn’t bomb or simply lose money, I will be amazed not only is Kathleen Kennedy responsible for the first Star Wars movie to lose money. She’s now responsible for the first Indiana Jones movie to lose money…

[@jasonreynolds6643]

@@Milothemighty10 I don't think there was ever an actual plan to make this movie. I think there is fighting back and forth behind the scenes and this films announcement is just a weapon for said fighting. They didn't have a plan to actually develop and make a film. I think they hired Sharmen Obaid-Chinoy to use her as a human shield to make Bob Iger look bad if he cancelled it. Even in a best case scenario Sharmeen doesn't have the experience to justify being hired to direct this film. By hiring her when it is ultimately shelved KK can claim she is fighting the good fight for representation.

[@Milothemighty10]

@@jasonreynolds6643 fair enough I don’t even really plan on seeing this movie if it actually is real anyways…

[@jasonreynolds6643]

@@Milothemighty10 Me either. I can't imagine ever watching another Star Wars project.

[@Jedishill680]

Balance being equal parts light and dark makes no sense as it effectively says that a balanced body is half sick and half healthy

[@mpnuorva]

Kinda. IIRC the usual cope is to basically redefine what the Light and Dark are, usually ignoring pesky things like Will of the Force or the ending of RotJ, or somehow trying to incorporate it to the whole mess. What's really funny is that it's the Balance *of the Force*, an energyfield created by all living beings that surrounds and penetrates and binds together the whole galaxy. So the assumption about Light and Dark is superfluous.

[@emberfist8347]

@@mpnuorvaexcept it isn’t.

[@stevereynolds5684]

Balancing light and dark as two symbiotic forces comes from the concept of yin and yang. But as stated above Lucas did not hold to that concept. He was fully of the idea that the dark side was evil and balance was without it.

[@morlath4767]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: There's a huge difference between what GL intended and what he and the story group created. The OT's explanation of the dark side is weak ("you will know," defence vs attack, etc), especially given that the guy teaching Luke about the evils of the dark side is literally training him to kill Vader as neither he nor Obi believe Anakin can be redeemed, and the first time we see Luke in RotJ is when he uses Force Choke. Far too many people hold on to that behind the scenes clip of GL explaining his vision and forget or ignore that he never put it in either trilogy. And Legends had a far more nuanced and interesting interpretation of the Force that he/his story group allowed to be written.

[@Reqxou]

This is the best comparison I've read that lines up with George Lucas' thoughts on the Force

[@perceivedvelocity9914]

It feels like the only thing that Disney knows how to do with Star Wars is deconstruct it. They create nothing original. They just kick the legs out of under the table.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

Calling it a deconstruction is too generous, that's Kotor 2. What Disney is doing is destruction plain and simple.

[@OswaldPHaygood]

They are bullies kicking over the smart kid's sand castle.

[@庫倫亞利克]

Calling what Disney does a deconstruction would be like calling r*ping "a love-hate relationship." You can actually get something out of a well-done deconstruction. With Disney you waste money and get toxic waste.

[@craserx6267]

So true.​@@CrazyxEnigma

[@robertbeisert3315]

Insert Tolkien quote

[@Engulfedorb06]

I just read legends now. It’s the only Star Wars I can actually take seriously. It all feels more genuine, less corporate, when those authors cared about what they could do for Star Wars instead of what they can do with it for themselves

[@cahe6161]

I was finished reading Crimson Empire the other day, damn that felt good

[@WLMjolnir]

I'm sadly quite prepared to see new Star Wars die. I won't be going to see this in the cinema

[@kennyholmes5196]

I already see it as dead. Disney's just been parading around its' corpse for years at this point. TLJ killed it, it was briefly resurrected by The Mandalorian, but the life support has fallen apart and it's been dead for years now.

[@jibril2473]

Relax. We have more than 40 years of the EU many novels, comics and games made prior to 20. Star Wars will live forever.

[@mickeybunts]

Neither will I. Mostly the people buying tickets will be the vapid bubbleheads who saw the Barbie movie multiple times

[@tjmcfadden5137]

Same the New Jedi Order being the title was the final straw for me until the EU is allowed to be its own thing and alive again I Disney Star Wars can burn

[@FTChomp9980]

Good choice the Rey Movie will fail yes it will make money but the story won't.

[@geoffwhitemusic]

Leslye Hedland: I won’t be kind to the Jedi. It’s ok; we won’t be kind to you either

[@darthrage8673]

“Soon we must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy” Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

[@eternalemperorvalkorion750]

Which channels what yoda said about the dark side being the quick and easy way

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

HARRY DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE?!?!

[@kalzium8857]

One of reys biggest problem is that she is just a less interesting version of luke. She feels like a knock off and Kathleen Kennedy hasn't be able to make her an own character.

[@stevereynolds5684]

That’s because she isn’t her own character. She is an amalgam of a self insert for Kathleen Kennedy and Luke Skywalker. Aside from being amazing she just doesn’t have anything else to her.

[@terig5584]

She’s not even that much worse of a character than Luke in the movies, just her arc non-existent and then rushed in the last movie. Luke and her are just supposed to be the proxy for the audience and if the plot of the sequel trilogy was better written, you wouldn’t have to change much about her to make her a solid character. The real problem is that they swapped her with Luke while dragging Luke down. There was obviously a way to make her the new protagonist (elderly Luke was never going to be the main character) without making everyone feel like she’s a usurper, but they basically leaned into that angle by the end. It’s so very weird.

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

​@@terig5584They swapped her for Luke and then ass-pulled everything about her abilities. *Downloading* them from Kylo? The actual fuck? Sure, we only see Luke training for a little over an hour, but we had a three year gap between ANH and ESB, then another year gap between ESB and RotJ.

[@terig5584]

@@doomsdayrabbit4398 Yeah, but that force download stuff isn’t explained in the movie, that’s a post hoc explanation. I don’t have a huge problem with her abilities in TFA. And frankly, if you swap things around in what she does in TLJ and TRoS, there’s almost an arc there. But yeah, what she does over like three days in the first two movies is pretty ridiculous.

[@CharFred-vr1ti]

I think she was casted well, but her origin was ridiculous. Much of that origin just mirrors Luke, as you said.

[@DarthVexar]

The movie’s title will be the least of Disney’s mistakes in the film, I’ll guarantee that.

[@mpnuorva]

Disney is honestly kinda between the rock and a hard place in this. A lot of obvious titles (Heir to the Empire, Tales of the Jedi, New Jedi Order, X-Wing, Rogue Squadron, Jedi Knight, Jedi Academy and the list goes on) are already in use by the same previous Legends works Disney threw out of canon precisely to not be bound by them. So either they will have to consider a pretty sizable catalogue of works when naming new projects, or what I suspect they did with the Rey movie and either pick a title and hope it isn't in use, or use it knowign full well it is.

[@tjmcfadden5137]

One idea would be Star Wars the New Path. Another Star Wars Finding the Light. A Third Star Wars The Way of the Jedi. They have more options this was I feel a cash in on something Luke in legends was highly connected to to try and legitimize Rey and it fails completely.

[@Reqxou]

What is it with these people's obsession with bad guys being understood. I appreciate a well rounded villain any day but to justify or attempt to victimize them is one of the greatest mistakes of these so-called storytellers.

[@ajanaya8055]

ProfessorGeek did a video on this topic

[@BRockIITWi]

It's how they justify their own evil ideology.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

Idk. Disney has had buried themselves in this fad for a long time at this point. All their villains of the past decade+ must have a tragic backstory for them to blame on them being terrible people.

[@darko-man8549]

It’s a weird ongoing fad - everyone is just minsunderstood - nobody is truly evil, everybody has a reason for being an asshole.

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

Maybe it's more about showing that the good guys aren't always 100 % good 🤔

[@StarWarsDecrypted]

This is pretty much exactly what happened in NJO in the EU, The Jedi come to wield both sides of the Force through embracing Vergere’s Philosophy, through realising that it’s one’s intent through which those energies are channeled, allowing the Jedi to draw on the Dark Side without corruption, Luke inevitably deems this philosophy wrong in Dark Nest however and brings it back to complete devotion to the light like the old Jedi, but this was how they were able to defeat the Vong to answer the question of is there ever a need for embrace of the dark, I wouldn’t mind something akin to this but like uhhh , are they just gonna make a bad copy paste of the EU again, at this point why didn’t they just adapt the EU like literally everybody wanted!

[@jeffchong3901]

I agree - the exploration of light and dark was key to NJO and Dark Nest. I think there’s quite a lot to still be unpacked from those EU series, but whether Disney will ever be the right people to handle a more nuanced discussion…. Well……. I’m not sure if the way I read it is the most widely accepted, but I always thought Jacen Solo’s view and Luke’s view in Dark Nest could have been explored more in Fate of the Jedi, rather than the retcon into Darth Caedus. Jacen seemed to believe that self awareness of one’s own darkness is enough to keep to a moral and ethical path, whilst Luke seemed to take the view that self-awareness was insufficient, and therefore the external structures of a code are needed to hold each other accountable. It’s not the first time this concept has been explored; more recently, Marvel’s Civil War or MCU’s Captain America 3 put their own spin on it. But just because it’s been done before doesn’t take away from how compelling this would be in the Star Wars universe.

[@StarWarsDecrypted]

@@jeffchong3901 Fate of the Jedi did go back and touch on all of this, in fact it seems to retcon a lot of LOTF, the mind walkers say Jacen never even went to the dark side since he can appear at the Lake of apparitions, so In the end I kinda like how they explored it all, Denning clearly didn’t understand what he read in late NJO though tbh that much was clear in LOTF but he came to his senses in FOTJ and fixed it

[@Toy_Matrix]

As a Buddhist we see the darkness or the darkside as negative seeds in the mind. We all have them ( anger, hate, discrimination) We also have good seeds ( love, joy, and peace). It's up to us to water the good seeds in us so they can rise in our consciousness and ultimately manifest them in our lives. 🙏

[@marcneef795]

I agree. The idea that balance in the force means 50 percent good and 50 percent evil makes no sense at all 😅

[@HabitualJoker]

Nope, I like it. It’s actually how I thought they could save the Sequels. TLJ establishes that the Jedi were wrong. What better way to show that off in the finale by having Rey and Kylo both learn that the “Balance in the Force” is wielding both sides of the Force and they use their newfound power to defeat Palpatine. I think it would have worked. Doing it now, however, would be very silly as it is outside of the trilogies and I don’t think it would work.

[@LumVaughan]

Hey Thor, I just thought of something today and I wanted to see what your opinion was on this. I was pondering how and why they were going to bring Ventress back in the 3rd season of TBB and I've speculated that it will have something to do with the pool that Quinlan Vos and Kenobi put her body in at the end of Dark Disciple. When Ventress' body enters it, green glowing tendrils come up from the pool. It hints of the same Nightsister magic that healed Maul and Savage Opress as well as Ventress a few years earlier. Then I remembered in Ahsoka, the Nightsisters had apparently shipped their dead sisters in caskets back to Dathomir. Why would you take dead bodies back with you? Just to use as Zombies? But what if that pool that Ventress was laid to rest in actually resurrects Nightsisters placed in it, and Ventress in this season of TBB is going to demonstrate this to set up what Thrawn and the Nightsisters from the other galaxy are going to do to bring back all their dead sisters. It might sound crazy, but it would make sense -- Kenobi and Vos unknowingly place Ventress' body in the resurrection pool -- maybe it takes some time, such as a year or so-- and she comes out completely bewildered, but alive. This would establish it for use in season 2 of Ahsoka (or whatever series they feature Thrawn and the Nightsisters in) and it would explain how they could quickly replenish the population of Dathomir (or at least the females). Maybe Ventress (and perhaps the dead sisters in caskets from Ahsoka) had to go through a certain ritual for this pool to work. Ventress did have a ritual performed on her when she returned to Dathomir to rejoin the Nightsisters in the Clone Wars. That green water time and time again seems to have some restorative power to it (Savage Opress, Maul and later Ventress are all healed or restored by it). Since Ventress was killed by Force Lightning, maybe the magic of the pool can restore someone who had the ritual performed on them earlier. Those caskets in Ahsoka could contain Nightsisters who had this ritual done in the other galaxy and that is why they took them to Dathomir, to bring them back. This is all just speculation, but I sincerely hope they give us an explanation for her return, not just a 'Somehow Ventress has returned' sort-of Rise of Skywalker explanation.

[@LumVaughan]

This is how Dark Disciple ends: Note the mention of Water of Life He took a shaky breath. He had thought he would dread this moment, but he was surprised to feel more a sense of quiet peace than pain. This was the right thing to do, and he knew it, bone-deep. Slowly, reverently, he lifted his arms as if he were holding Ventress in them. Her body rose into the air in response. Vos bore her in the Force to the still, dark pool and gently lowered her. Slowly, the black water closed over her, accepting her into its embrace. Her face was the last of her to disappear, pale and bearing an expression of serenity she had never known in life. He blinked. Was the water…changing color? Tendrils of mist began to rise, green and glowing. Green, like the Dathomiri magicks Ventress had spoken of; green, like the Water of Life. Vos caught his breath. Soft susurrations reached his ears, sounding almost like- Kenobi was beside him immediately, his lightsaber unlit but in his hand. “Vos, what’s happening?” Slowly, incredulously, Vos understood. His heart ached with a bittersweet joy. “Listen,” was all he said. Kenobi’s eyes widened. He heard it too, now, the whispers of women’s voices. The Force had reclaimed Dathomir’s wayward child, and as Vos reached out in it to send the woman he loved a final farewell, he thought he could make out a single word: sister. Asajj Ventress, at last, had come home.

[@dereklopez9060]

Luke rebuilding the Jedi Order has always been his role after ROTJ, Disney just stoled his role and gave it to the most bland character in Star Wars history. And it's funny how I called her a character, when she's more of a plot device than anything.

[@Milothemighty10]

Nearly got into a fight with a sequel trilogy defender on Thors second channel on one of his more recent videos cause I said I didn’t like Rey when I said exactly this, “Rey stole anakins role as the chose one, she stole Luke’s role of being the new hope that brings the Jedi to quote ahsoka “a new beginning”, she stole their lightsaber, Luke’s x wing, the falcon, their victory she just stole everything from the legacies of the prequel and the original trilogy characters. I don’t consider the sequels as Canon. I just don’t see them driving with the rest of Star Wars. got nothing towards Daisy. She did nothing wrong. She seems like a wonderful actress and a wonderful person but I could care less about Rey I’m gonna sound like a broken record, but if this does not bomb or simply lose money I will be amazed. Not only is Kathleen Kennedy responsible for the first Star Wars movie to lose that being solo but she’s also responsible for the first Indiana Jones movie to lose money that being dial of Destiny”. They literally said don’t see a problem here. Why don’t we give this a chance? I’m sorry maybe I was taking this too personally, but how does that not come across as condescending?…

[@tjmcfadden5137]

@@Milothemighty10 it does in their heads they are right because they like it. When we point out it doesn’t make sense we are wrong and they can simply write us off. Sad days we live in

[@Milothemighty10]

@@tjmcfadden5137 I try to make it clear to people that they can have different opinions than me and that’s perfectly OK. I don’t like it when people act like their opinions are facts and if anyone disagrees with them are automatically wrong…

[@dereklopez9060]

@@Milothemighty10 That's what the sequel trilogy defenders do. They get so defensive everytime we call out all the wrongs these movie's have and we explain why the writing and the decisions they make in the trilogy doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[@Milothemighty10]

@@dereklopez9060 i’m fine with discourse but if people are going to be argumentative about it work out right condescending that’s when I throw in the towel I’ve said this many times people act like toxic sequel, fans, or Disney supporters don’t exist when that’s just straight up not true obviously no not. Everybody is like that, but still. I said this many times before the only things I’m looking forward to right now or bad batch season three andor season two and the third Jedi game. Anything else I don’t even know at this point to quote Cal kestis “ I don’t know if I’m ready, I don’t know if I’m ready for what comes next”…

[@mcash232]

Basically, people who fundamentally don't understand and don't care about Star Wars, only their agendas, want to tear down what came before without ever attempting to understand it, thinking in their arrogance that they know better and that YOU are a pleb if you don't like it. Totally gives me confidence in the future of Star Wars.

[@Dreadhead02productions]

There's some good cross over with Jung and his idea of the shadow here too - you must acknowledge those things within yourself that you shun/deny otherwise they will exert some level of control over you. The thing about the dark side that they're missing is it's ability to corrupt; if you were to start using it, even to try to do good, then you're just paving your way to hell. Over time it would be more tempting to use and you would give into it more and more.

[@mar_speedman]

Yes, this. This and the force's influence on force sensitives generally. Everyone gets the Jedi so wrong. They're all like "Noooo the Jedi rules make no sense they should feel feelings like normal people!" No. Jedi can't have that luxury because they're really susceptible to the force. Any fluctuation in their emotions, any loss of control will tilts them down a dark path they cannot escape. The rules of the Jedi exist specifically for the Jedi because of the specific way the Jedi are. Attachments aren't forbidden because they think attachments are bad. Attachments are forbidden because they're dangerous to a Jedi specifically

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

​@@mar_speedmanAnd because of their dogmatic views the jedi eventually fell. Good job Yoda and co. 👍

[@mar_speedman]

@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 The Jedi fell because Palpatine was a master of manipulation, not because the Jedi were dogmatic. They were pieces on a chess board moving exactly where Palpatine wanted them to. The fall of the Jedi has nothing to do with the Jedi.

[@patepulkkinenvtec2403]

@@mar_speedman If so, then why did even Yoda himself admit that the jedi failed? The reason why Palpatine was able to manipulate the jedi in the first place was because the jedi were too busy kissing the ass of the corrupted senate. The whole prequels are there to showcase how a good organization gets ruined by politics and burearocracy, and that's exactly what happened to the jedi.

[@mar_speedman]

@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 That's not 'dogmatic views' You answered your own question. The Jedi failed because they lost sight of their true purpose and became a tool of the republic, not because they as an organization are corrupt. That first comment of yours implies the Jedi as a concept is faulty. It is not

[@thegreypath1777]

Rey doesn’t need another movie!! She already has three: Episodes 7, 8, and 9!!!

[@danrichter9002]

Man oh man, if they go down the road that you are fearing Star Wars will truly be dead. The Jedi way is not broken, Disney/Lucasfilm is broken if this is the case.

[@rickjames5998]

i fear that this film will even exist.

[@floriandriemer3835]

Imagine that 10 years ago somebody would have told us that we would be afraid of a new SW movie.

[@jaredlocke4300]

I expect Acolyte to be the greatest perversion of Star Wars to date. It will be worse than the sequels. Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it

[@Knuckles2761]

I hope there will be desert planet as a starting location, antagonist in black helmet and huge deadly lazor to destroy in the finale.

[@eternalemperorvalkorion750]

On the point of dark side abilities there is a argument that they can be used like unforgivables in Harry Potter. Where there is a way to use them that breaks the holier then thou dogma and also serves the genuine greater good. Kyle katarn I believes says something on that matter

[@donaldsmith8648]

When are you dropping episode 3 of your Obi wan Kenobi series?

[@rawnchydeard4669]

I’m giving up on SW because I don’t feel anything anymore like I once did.

[@vfxeriksen8694]

"A part of me, you are. In control of me, you are not."

[@ThanksHermione]

Imagine if we instead got the people from The Clone Wars series to make another CGI show where Luke rebuilt The Jedi Order.

[@GabrielSoares-zw9kh]

No one would be talking about letting Star Wars end if this was what we got, we would all be looking forward to new content

[@DZatheus]

It's not a mistake they named it like that. It's on purpose, it's mockery.

[@MCsCreations]

There's something interesting here... Because Anakin using and showing his dark side for Ahsoka in the series, highlights EXACTLY this point. Because he shows that, yes, he has a dark side, he doesn't deny it, but at the same time he has it under so much control that he can use it. Something he probably would never be able to do while he was alive.

[@mar_speedman]

That part was so vague, many interpretations are possible. I wouldn't say that's what was going on there. I think Anakin was losing it to the dark side and had to contain himself at the end

[@caseyjp1]

Unless and until Disney/Lucasfilm unshackle themselves from the milstone that is "DEI", the sludge and corruption of this story won't end. It will get worse. After watching Film Threat's ongoing series on the "D-files", any hope for this franchise to recover is down the drain for me. The company is infested with ideologues more interested in pushing "the message" than of actual storytelling. The Acolyte is going to be a trainwreck. -My prediction.

[@t_hetty1758]

Tbh I can get behind the idea of a dark side pov for them to sway perception of the jedi in their bias view. But George’s idea being that natural darkness is fine but using that power being a cancer being retconned is gonna be lame if it means we see “ooh ahhh force lightning jedi”.

[@djcody492]

For me, this, the dawn of the Jedi movie, and the acolyte will either make or break the new canon lore for me. If they do what you propose they may do to the Jedi with these movies and tv show, I just will straight up give up on keeping up with the Jedi and Sith in the new canon because they simply won’t be Jedi and Sith, instead they will be organizations that don’t make sense with philosophies that don’t work about a force that contradictory in a universe that doesn’t make sense. Why keep up with the universe if they don’t respect what was intended or came before and make an illogical universe? (I know it didn’t make sense in some ways before, but my point still stands)

[@tjmcfadden5137]

Made perfect sense to me. Your right if that’s how Disney does the force I know never to care about a force user in Disney Star Wars again

[@mar_speedman]

Come on. How many times have you told yourself that? I mean honestly. Has everything we've seen not already discouraged you from keeping up with Disney Star Wars. They don't understand Star Wars. It's just, we already know that. We already know they're going to be badly written. Why hold on to something that no longer exists? Let go, I say

[@FeeriiEekii]

Nowadays I fear for every Disney production, even Andor 2 (for the simple reason that 'someone' might interfere in the production and force it to go in some misguided direction)

[@michaelthomas2032]

Hey thor good video it is the use of the dark side that creates imbalance not the existence of the dark side so can you do one to explain why the existence of the dark side (not the use) is necessary to balance. love your videos and you and naboos videos too

[@billwhipple9039]

Hey Thor, crazy idea: The dark side is your base animalistic nature, the light side is the reason. Focusing on the dark side will eventually turn you into a murderous psychopath that uses what little reason they have to lust for the alpha role. Focusing on the light side eventually turns you into an ineffective intellectual who's so self assured that they lose touch with their nature. Only by using reason and your baser instincts together can you reach true equilibrium Yeah, I don't really like it either but it's better flavor than "oh no, you can't fault the murderers. The force made them do it" In my take, each character is still responsible for indulging too heavily in certain aspects of the force

[@Gevorg-Dvoyan]

My biggest fear is that it will be Rey creating Luke’s New Jedi Order from Star Wars: Legends, except Rey would be the Grandmaster instead of Luke. I will be really pissed if they do this.

[@hawkingjim]

I think the best we can hope for, because hell would have to freeze over before this movie is not made, is that it is largely forgettable like Eternals, and any inconsistencies it creates are just ignored.

[@johnpoulton9446]

I am afraid that you are right and believe that’s what they will be doing. For me at least it continues hijack Star Wars for their own agenda as they’ve done so often. I watched the OT as an 8 year old and heard “the Guardians of Peace and Justice”. Then watched them come alive 20+ years later watching the PT. Now Disney/LF will continue to dismantle that Star Wars lore I grew up with to try to redeem their weak characters, writing and story. They’ve killed the past previously and now continue to kill the legacy of the Guardians of Peace and Justice to idiots that were wrong, misguided and not capable of the hero’s journey they already had been established to have done at the end of ROTJ. It undoes so much of the story.

[@kolaranze]

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." PS: dont wach it, i would definitely not.

[@nephibeck6178]

You don't have to fear a product you ignore.

[@ARBLACKx]

IDC they can make the movie and release it I won't be spending my money to watch it just like The Marvels and Madame Web lol

[@ajanaya8055]

Best to spend your time reading and watching old materials.

[@brandenmanuel2037]

The movie actually getting made is my biggest fear I’m WAY more excited for movies like freakin Kung Fu Panda 4 than any crap Disney puts out. I hope the Rey movie Fails.

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

You say that like Kung Fu Panda wasn’t worth going to beforehand. The first two are better Star Wars movies than any movies Disney put out and the third one is pretty good but not as great as movies 1-2. I have my reservations regarding movie 4 (I REALLY hope they don’t sideline Po as a hero in favor of Awkwafina fox thief lady and the directors have somewhat messy track records), but I’ll give it a shake and see if it’s a worthy fourth film.

[@ThanksHermione]

When you brought up how Yoda mentioned in Episode II that some jedi were too sure of themselves, I realized something. Since Rey is so powerful she could become arrogant. She's beyond doing something evil, making mistakes, or losing a duel. Rey sees herself as having nothing more to learn, turns wreckless, and won't listen to the opinions of others. If done right, she could have an arc where she learns humility. I doubt that the upcoming movies starring her would go that route though.

[@Bexebeche]

But Luke in Return of the Jedi did exactly that. He used the dark side. When Vader said "Then perhaps she will" he totally lost his shit. He attacked Vader with all his anger and annihilate him. No one can't tell he was at peace in this moment. And then he did something Yoda said (in ESB) is impossible: he came back from this state all lighty and goody-goody again.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

That was Luke's brush with the Dark Side. I'm pretty sure in the old lore before Disney bought Star Wars that's what every Jedi had to go through to pass their trials and become a fully fledged Jedi Knight, to have their own battle with their own darkness and reject it though I could be mistaken it's been awhile. Anyway to get on point Luke was at a crossroads had he killed his father right then and there he would've fallen, it's Vader rejecting the Dark Side and saving his son that Yoda and Obi-Wan deemed impossible not what Luke went through in that moment.

[@Snicker60515]

I heard a rumor that they plan on actually killing the force because of some nonsense from Ahsoka.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

*Gained influence with Kreia*

[@geoffwhitemusic]

It’s not the fault of the perpetrators of the dark side-it’s the fault of the victims. I’m beginning to see Leslye Hedland’s true character shine through very clearly.

[@Mouse_Metal]

She literally said she identified more with villains than with heroes.

[@taunttitan1714]

Honestly Disney can call their Jake Wars Disney Canon bullshit whatever they want because us REAL STAR WARS FANS will legitimately NEVER associate REAL STAR WARS with any garbage Disney makes

[@nichlaschristensson1055]

Shouldn't it be called the "newer new Jedi order" since Luke did build up the "new Jedi" order. around the mando time period. Probably what Jon Favreau had in his original plans for this era. I think that was why Luke picked up Grogu , Luke was looking for new padawans for his new Jedi academy. But Kathleen and her entourage wouldn't have that. So the lapdog Filoni ended up in charge. Since he got that first promotion we've had BoBF, Kenobi Mando s3 and so on.......

[@mangofett927]

Balance in Star Wars is seeking to follow the will of the Force, nothing else. This is why I personally believe that Qui-Gon Jin was the last true jedi of the prequel era, followed closely by Yoda and Obi-Wan and Plo Koon. Using the dark side inherently imbalances the Force because you are imposing your own will upon the Force and seeking to dominate the free will of others. That's why there cannot be such a thing as a "gray jedi," because them using the dark side in any capacity makes them a dark sider, no matter the intention for using it. Sure, a Jedi could use Force lightning, but that would mean that they are placing their desire to harm a person above the will of the Force. Force lightning requires the user to tap into dark side emotions such as anger or hate or malice in order to use it. At one point I remember the lore saying that you had to be hit with it in order to be able to use it, meaning you are then fully and keenly aware of just how badly it hurts and are willing to subject others to that pain.

[@fremenchips]

Any action is an imposition of will. Calling on the force to do anything is the force user imposing their will on the force. Was it the will of the force that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan use force speed in aboard the Trade Federation ship? That would be very specific of the force to will that.

[@mangofett927]

@@fremenchips honestly if an action is serving the greater will of the force (that will being that Anakin is found by Qui-Gon), then it's not bending the will of the force. Force speed is also not a power that deliberately and intentionally hurts another being. If we look at the will of the force being the achievement of perfect balance and harmony of all living things, then powers such as force speed that have a neutral if not positive effect on the world around them are not bending the will of the force. It's the attempt to dominate others through the force that throws it out of balance.

[@tjmcfadden5137]

Seriously agree with all of Thor’s points here. I’ve already said I refuse to watch the Rey movie unless I hear her order failed completely and someone else needs to come along and help her rebuild as Rey literally going on to do what Luke was doing after return of the Jedi is a slap in the face. I’m not watching Acolyte as everyone connected to the project has seemingly done all they could to distance themselves from older hardcore fans. Kathleen seems to have gotten Star Wars where she wants it with female force users being infallible and far more important and it is the most sexist series around now. Further modern cinema has weeded itself into a series that based itself partially off of multiple faiths where there were rules and reasons for why you didn’t take certain actions. Now in Hollywood and apparently Star Wars if the right type of person wrongs you it’s fine to do whatever you want no matter the consequences against the right people. Reminder people using the dark side of the force is enslaving it to do something it doesn’t want to naturally do the light side is letting the force flow and act naturally as a living being.

[@doubleupload5620]

Knowing Disney they will make Luke’s force ghost the villain of the movie

[@cootergale6281]

Hey Thor, meta question for you. How have you kept your passion for Star Wars? I grew up with the prequels and only a few years ago I was probably among the biggest fans of the franchise. Like so many others, I’ve seen myself become estranged from the franchise that I once loved so dearly. With every controversy and every low effort project that comes out I just care less and less about Star Wars. However, you are always here with insightful commentary and discussion. What have you done to keep your passion alive despite everything?

[@lasercraft32]

I'm just tired of Disney sucking so bad. They take _so long_ just to learn how to _not_ be stupid.

[@mar_speedman]

Disney learns not to be stupid??

[@lasercraft32]

@@mar_speedman They haven't yet. That's what I meant... Despite how long its been, they've learned literally _nothing._

[@saveritas731]

Hey Thor, I've made arguments as to why I disagree with the idea of the Dark Side being evil itself that you have addressed, so I won't rehash them all over here. I'd like to instead make a related but different point for your consideration: Let's say Disney bought LucasFilms but never decanonized the EU. Let's say that the EU was left fully in tact and instead of making the Sequels as we know them, their goal was to start making faithful 1 to 1 adaptations of all of the post-ROTJ content and they succeeded in doing so, and the "hardcore fans" got the film and/or TV adaptations of the books and comics they love. What is supposed to happen with Star Wars after all of that? What does Star Wars have to say when the credits roll on the death of Darth Krayt's One Sith Order, which is when the EU timeline ended? JRR Tolkien at one point began writing a sequel to the Lord of the Rings called The New Shadow but deliberately put a permanent stop to it because he had already said everything he had to say about Middle Earth in his prior content and risked stretching the narrative unnecessarily. A lot of pre-Disney content gets love from the "hardcore fans" because it's pre-Disney, but a lot of what happens in post-ROTJ is that the Sith just keep coming back over and over again to be fought in a good versus evil fight, and most pre-TPM content is that the Sith just keep coming back over and over again in a good versus evil fight. The narrative got repetitive and didn't have anything new or interesting to say. The one big exception is KOTOR2, which some fans like myself passionately love because it actually tries to do something different with Star Wars' morality system other than regurgitating what Lucas had to say in the OT. You don't have to agree with Darth Traya's philosophy, but you can actually have a civil debate with a Sith Lord and come to a variety of nuanced conclusions about what it means to be a Jedi or a Sith. The Disney Star Wars content we have has a lot of execution problems, I don't think anyone is actually arguing against that fact. It seems to me, however, that just doing faithful adaptations would have been nothing more than a short term strategy that would do better than the ST did IRL but lead to nowhere in the long term. You would trade the problems of current day Star Wars has with the main problem that current day Marvel has, which is that the novelty of something popular is dead and everyone is complaining about the nonstop repetitive content. Short of just not making any new Star Wars content (which has been an option this entire time save but for the appeal of money), the long term solution to making new Star Wars content that is actually interesting seems to be that you have to have something new to say, and that means at some point you have to start disagreeing with Lucas. If the Light Side and Dark Side are truly just good and evil respectively, then there are a finite number of ways to explore that dynamic as is. I imagine you will probably disagree with this, but looking forward to your thoughts regardless if you care to respond. Either way, thank you for reading as always.

[@StefSis]

Disney should make the sequels part of the "What if?"-series and then make a new sequel trilogy that focuses on the rise of the new republic and how Luke builds the new Jedi Order. The cold war with the First Order could then result in the sneak attack we saw in The Force Awakens. But the destruction of Hosnian Prime should be no earlier than at the end of episode 8.

[@valviform]

They should hire you to write Star Wars

[@mar_speedman]

Literally any competent writer will do

[@brentwilley9267]

…that it will actually get made

[@CloneCaptainKeeli]

I swear that all modern films preach terrible moral lessons to the viewer, it’s like some sick joke.

[@Khelekheru]

Ah yes, a Palpatine rebuilds the Jedi Order the "right" way. No way this will piss a bunch of people off.

[@brandonbaggaley2317]

Hey, Thor! What if Hyrule from Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity existed in the Star Wars Galaxy during the Clones Wars? How would the Galaxy react to the droid army being commandeered by Calamity Ganon? Would Palpatine fear whatever force that could seize control of the whole Seperatist army?

[@drewlovelyhell4892]

After freeing the galaxy of The First Order, I would think that using the word "Order" in your organisation's name would be a bad idea.

[@treystephens6166]

There’s nothing left to fear. The War is Lost‼️

[@Malstalgia]

I’ve always felt that Disney is focused on making as much money from the merchandising of both sides of the story. The dark and the light sides of the force, Sith and Jedi, the First Order, the Mandalorians, the New Republic all need to sell toys and collectibles. If everything is gray and has a good point, if all sides get it wrong, then everyone can feel free to wear a Kylo Ren costume, buy First Order toys, or whatever they can license the name to in an effort to profit as much from the merchandising as possible, instead of focusing on telling a good story that makes sense.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

I hope this doesn't change the jedi too much.

[@ghostbeetle2950]

Hmm, I agree with your general stance on what "balance" really should mean (and once more raise the point that George should never have brought in that word in the first place, same as force "prophecies", "chosen ones", or "midi-chlorians"). I do, however, think your analysis of the evil within everybody needs some more work. Psychologically speaking that is called the "shadow" and you can't simply "reject" it without causing yourself serious psychological harm. The complication is that the shadow isn't evil in and of itself. It represents all those aspects of your psyche that you need to be DANGEROUS. If that gets out of control - because you try to repress and reject it somehow - THEN it becomes evil. So, Yoda in that episode was only half right - at least in what he said. Maybe his actions actually expressed a slightly better understanding. "Accepting", yes, but then you need to INTEGRATE your shadow, not "reject" it! If you can't be dangerous when the situation calls for it - and in a self-controlled way - you are defenseless against evil and useless to everyone around you. However, you're absolutely right, Thor, that this doesn't mean embracing the dark side.

[@Trencher1375]

You hit the nail on the head when you said that this new dark side sophistry with equal amount of darkness and light is necessary is an excuse for greed. That is all it is: excuses.

[@abcd12346768]

Evil is a repulsive force. I think this is essential for a large organization to survive ,so that it doesn't fall on itself.

[@arby796]

Hey Thor I know you have talked about the original Lucas plan of sequels recently and I know I didn't comment on one of those videos that touched on them but what do you think was George's plan to get Maul from the Clone Wars to the sequels?

[@mpnuorva]

The sources we have on Lucas' sequel plans speak of Maul as the Big Bad.

[@sonnywoods6846]

Don't forget in the Disney star wars comics her father had Luke Skywalker DNA in her

[@Kendreyek]

"Balance is Dark AND Light!" is an idea I thought was great when I was twelve years old. Wanting Jedi to shoot lightning and have any power they want without actual challenge or struggle. It really does suck that people really believe ideas that juvenile are great revelations that will blow people's minds.

[@CantankerousDave]

Look at Ayn Rand. Her garbage makes perfect sense… when you’re 14.

[@shaundaly1134]

As a Star Wars fan since 1977 I am completely not interested in whatever modern Lucasfilm comes up with now. Ive suffered enough abuses of what I loved.

[@zacharyclark3693]

It doesn’t matter if they nail the Rey movie or not. I’ve already been let down by Star Wars so many times I’m in no hurry to go and see this movie, unless I heard good reviews first. People who don’t understand the original content keep making new content that misses the point, or says nothing substantial at all. Everything feels like high budget fanficion.

[@ThanksHermione]

Also, when Padme is suspicious of Count Dooku, Mace Windu dismisses her. "You know, m'lady, that Count Dooku was once a Jedi. He couldn't assassinate anyone. It's not in his character."

[@Jeff_Huston]

The big argument against believing that Disney will define "balance" as equal parts Good Side and Dark Side coexisting is this: that's exactly how Colin Trevorrow's script resolved it. Literally that way, with that definition. But Disney's Lucasfilm threw that script out, and of what they repurposed from it to put back into TROS didn't include defining balance in that way. So my hope (and hunch) is that one of the problems they had with Trevorrow's script was how it built to define balance in that way.

[@tjcarr8097]

Everything is fucked going forward

[@paulthiele3102]

Spot on, Thor, in your understanding of the Force. If you’re right, Thor, it’s the end of Star Wars. Lucas was always crystal clear in the early days - Star Wars was always about good and evil, and that evil must be opposed. He couldn’t have been clearer about this. If Star Wars goes down the path you are predicting, it will have changed Star Wars so profoundly that the original message and purpose will have been lost. In other words, it will no longer be Star Wars.

[@saberiandream316]

It's a mistake to call it Dawn of the Jedi too. It's going to bury the EU and make those stories harder to find.

[@OtherWorldExplorers]

Honestly anything coming out of Disney is unlikely to be of satisfactory quality. They've been pretty consistent about putting out let's say, sub par material.

[@anakinlowground5515]

The only part of Disney Star Wars that has had any consistency of quality has been the animated shows.

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@anakinlowground5515 The animated fanfics were consistently either mediocre or just awful, canon-breaking trash.

[@dianesinger9729]

I think balance is necessary both good/evil; dark/light. It is necessary because Star Wars is not Uptonian universe, not perfect that we need both

[@rameybartels6291]

Great video. My take away is this: It is almost like the current people in charge are either unfamiliar, or irreverent of that which has come before.

[@billadams8899]

Rey will fix the Jedi Order by bypassing the compressor

[@vetarlittorf1807]

I mean, Tales of the Jedi in Legends is about the ancient Jedi and Sith while Filoni's version is about the prequel era Jedi.

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

That was a comic series which many even the hardcore can miss or skip over while The New Jedi Order is the largest Star Wars story ever told with it being released over 4 years through 19 book 2 short stories and 3 volumes of comics and included one of if not the most controversial moments in Star Wars history (the death of Chewbacca) before Disney bought Lucasfilm. I am a hardcore fan and while I did know of Tales of the Jedi it was never a huge thing while the New Jedi Order is one of the most important stories ever told in Legends. Even before I began reading the series a few months ago (I was getting the books over the last few years at Half Price books and it takes a while for all 19 to show up and was not in a rush since it is a large time commitment and I am only half way in and it has been about 6 to 7 months) the series was still something I was fully aware of and it is impossible to talk about the post Imperial timeline without the New Jedi Order while you can talk about the Old Republic era and easily skip over Tales Of The Jedi

[@vetarlittorf1807]

​@@Lord-Emperor-VaderNo. Tales of the Jedi was one of the most popular EU works of the late 90's. George Lucas was even partially involved as creative consultant.

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

@@vetarlittorf1807 I am speaking of today and from everything I have seen in talks about Legends I have seen more talk about how the show is not going to be the same thing as the comics while I have seen an extreme amount about the New Jedi Order time period. Sure it could have been big in the 90's but since I was not born I can't know if you are telling the truth but even if you are the staying power of it is not there (likely because it was overshadowed by the KOTOR franchise and its general disconnect to anything else in the Legends timeline besides references) while the legacy of the New Jedi Order changed the Galaxy.

[@saberiandream316]

It's just an attempt by Disney and Filoni to bury Legends. They have no respect for it.

[@willaumep]

well I like SWTOR light/darkside better than the movie. Unfortunatly given the experience of the director, all the signs point to massive studio interference, so i don't see a change compared to what they currently do. I.E. characters will be hollow plot device in plot that barelly holds together.

[@StephanePoirierGaming]

03:00 God I hope your wrong Thor, but I fear you aren't.

[@Milothemighty10]

Rey stole anakins role as the chose one, she stole Luke’s role of being the new hope that brings the Jedi to quote ahsoka “a new beginning”, she stole their lightsaber, Luke’s x wing, the falcon, their victory she just stole everything from the legacies of the prequel and the original trilogy characters. I don’t consider the sequels as Canon. I just don’t see them driving with the rest of Star Wars. got nothing towards Daisy. She did nothing wrong. She seems like a wonderful actress and a wonderful person but I could care less about Rey I’m gonna sound like a broken record, but if this does not bomb or simply lose money I will be amazed. Not only is Kathleen Kennedy responsible for the first Star Wars movie to lose that being solo but she’s also responsible for the first Indiana Jones movie to lose money that being dial of Destiny…

[@Khultan]

Kathleen Kennedy Bob Iger Star Wars is a corpse.

[@aidanmay1148]

We’re about to get a feather tickle montage

[@eds1942]

Rey: New Jedi Order = EU: Jedi Academy, maybe with an Abeloth type character. Our idea the Jedi is largely based on the Jedi of the prequels and have they are presented in the OT. The Dawn of the Jedi storyline will most likely show the Jedi in a new light. Probably a mix from post Return of the Jedi Legends and from the Dawn of the Jedi comics. And they’ll probably try to mix their Force Dyad with that and make some allowances for relationships most likely. Somewhere around 25k and again around 7k bby, the Jedi Order strayed just enough for splitter groups to form. The Jedi quickly recovered and stayed on their true path for the majority of the interviewing years. It ever since 7,000 bby when the Jedi occasional strayed enough for the Sith to raise. And by the end of the High Republic era, the Jedi was setup for failure, which became unavoidable by the time of Anakin’s birth. So I fully expect that this New Jedi Order will be different from the old Jedi Order of the Prequels, just as it was in the Legends continuity. IMO, I don’t see anything wrong with that other than their stealing the achomplishment of the heroes of the OT for Rey and her pals. However, I feel that they should just bring back Legends and make it alternate universe, and most everyone gets that concept now. You don’t need dumb cross overs or even new stories, other than to show us how the timeline split into canon and Legends, which I was hoping that they would have done with the Ahsoka show and the Mandoverse. Perhaps placing them in a their own alternate universe as to avoid the sequel drama which the Mandoverse will be leading us into.

[@daneg]

I agree with Thor on the Grisk (sp? I listened to it on audible). for my money, the new Zahn Thrawn stuff is more interesting than the current trajectory in Filoni-verse (Thrawn = big bad guy).

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Never going to watch it, so it doesn't matter what they call it. They can call it "Star Wars Episode X "The Poop-Feast" and it would make no difference to me.

[@rickjames5998]

what are grisks?

[@CouncilCape897]

The Grysk are an alien species from the Unknown Regions that has repeatedly fought the Chiss (Thrawn's species) in their attempts to invade the wider galaxy.

[@daneg]

The New Jedi Odor sounds about right. 😁

[@Concerned_Bystander]

I don't pretend so be well read into the extended lore of Star Wars, I've only really seen the films (excluding The Rise Of Palpatine which I haven't bothered watching yet), but from my limited perspective it seems that your view of balance in relation to the force is predicated on the force being inherently good. Even if there is no need for any individual Jedi to embrace the dark side to achieve balance within himself perhaps the force in a wider sense requires both the light and the dark. The force is an energy field generated by living things, so In the same way that a magnetic field must have a positive and a negative pole in order to exist maybe the same is true of the force. Maybe it requires death as well as life, dark as well as light. Think of it in terms of electricity. Voltage is a potential difference between two points, the greater that potential difference is, the stronger the voltage is. The force could very well work in the same way and be at its strongest when there are two equally powerful points at opposite ends of the scale, and weakest when it is all one way or the other.

[@MikefromTexas1]

If Evil didn't exist, you wouldn't know what Good was.

[@jamestolbert1856]

Honestly, I REALLY don’t want this movie to be made

[@DarkLordArmanus]

I agree with pretty much everything you are saying, and it's an opinion that should be obvious ti Lucasfilm, but sadly is not. About Thrawn and the grysk, though, I don't see how any mention of them in the Agsoka swries would have had any relevance to that story. I get the idea of building on and refencing stories in the books, but how many people watching would have read them? I don't think the grysk will have any relevance in the live action Thrawn stories, at least where it is headed right now. I don't see Thrawn being motivated to take control of the empire as any sort of contractiction of the books. Quite the opposite, really. He's serving the empire to get imperial military suppirt for the chiss to fight the grysk. If he takes over the empire, he finally gains the advantage for his people that he has spent years pursuing. If he doesn't, then all of that time and effort was both fruitless and wasted. His character is one of always seeking the advantage in pursuing his goals, so it makes sense. For those who only watch and didn't read the books, Thrawn can just be the new threat to the heroes. For those who read the books, we can consider this view and have a deeper understanding of the character and his objectives, and it enriches what we watch. Neither side really needs the grysk to be mentioned in the mandoverse stories to have that enjoyment and appreciation.

[@bmarshy]

There’s a beautiful line written by Mathew Bortolin in his book ‘The Dharma of Star Wars’ which says “the light side is stronger because it includes the dark side”. Disney have a very black and white way of looking at things, whereas it was always George Lucas’ philosophy that it’s not as clear as that. This is not an advocation for Grey Jedi (a stupid idea), but the way Disney seems to be approaching this topic is very frustrating

[@joshuamueller3206]

Ooo, except Disney's executives do not understand that. They are lower case sith.