My Dad Called the Cops on Me

[@RepentImmediately]

He needs to go to the police department, with his hospital paperwork showing they did not diagnose him with anything, and perhaps his dad will be arrested for making a false report. His father broke the law, it's not just retaliative.

[@laurenw768]

Exactly- and he wasted police and hospital resources. There should be penalties to that. I’d personally get a restraining order AND sue dad to pay the bill.

[@wenchyfoodwench4098]

I agree

[@austintomkewitz3981]

Lol I got a better idea call the police and tell the cops his Dad is trying to unalive himself XD

[@fauxbro1983]

Bro police aint tonna do shit. Theyll say its a civil matter

[@danieljohnson4418]

​@@fauxbro1983: 100% correct.

[@happyinparis]

My brother did the same thing to my sister. I wrote the hospital and told them she was taken there against her will. She did not want to be there and she received no treatment. They wrote off the bill.

[@karyndewit193]

I’m glad you helped her out.

[@weldinggirl]

Ya maybe he could get proof and try this

[@VastieJeanfrancois]

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[@jimmymcgill6778]

Filing false police report is illegal. They are wrong. I'll pay it off. But I'll sue him for it.

[@beck943]

You don't grieve "losing a relationship" with a parent like this. You get away, make a full break, and CELEBRATE!

[@Michael-kv5ff]

You grieve the thought of not having any parents not the one you lost

[@Outback69]

been in this situation since I was ten with my parents!!

[@beck943]

@@Michael-kv5ff That thought came and went, years prior.

[@alexlarsen372]

What horrible advice…. If he told the cops and hospital this was a false report then he is in his right to sue. Sue and have dad pay court/lawyer fees and the bill.. we’re talking $16k not $1k…. I’m not being the bigger man over $16k - the relationship is over why are they concerned with burning it further? Stupid call

[@richard77231]

Yeah, this is no different than suing a guy who hit you in his car. The medical bill is no fault of your own.

[@bluevillsplash]

She's not saying be the bigger person over 16k. She's saying be the bigger person so that 16k doesn't become 30k, 50k. His dad is petty and would rather make his son broke just to come back. A restraining order is best and then he could use the restraining order to assist in winning his suit against his father.

[@chuckytherapper]

If he followed all that advice. And still felt bad about it. Then he can absolutely take him to court bring his proof and receipts and be reimbursed. I don’t even think he’s telling the truth though. Isn’t that what gamers do to other gamers? Don’t they call that swatting? 😂 calling the cops and lying that someone is going to unalive themselves or drug dealing, with the intention that the call will affect or ruin their life against their will has got to be some jail time. That’s far fetched professional narcism. That’s some 48 laws of power movement.

[@chuckytherapper]

They also say at the beginning of every show that they are “experts in our opinion” meaning. This is not professional advice.

[@shignila5787]

One side of the story only.....

[@MrBrewman95]

Some parents are so narcissistic that they don't want their own kids to be as successful or more successful than them.

[@suek7086]

My grandson has a dad like that. My grandson was in the hospital when his father called them to say he was suicidal. He was not.

[@T-CainesZR1]

Sue him, that's BS.

[@BoRnMuSh]

Yea I was thinking the same thing

[@leborhal7450]

Clear defamation with financial loss.

[@stevenporter863]

May not be financially worth it. The father may not have the money even if ordered to pay.

[@Kaktus965]

*Fck that. Call the cops on HIM*

[@JohnShreve-hw8zm]

He can keep do it! Sue him today

[@thomasdalton1508]

I don't know why they are saying it isn't worth suing. It's 16 grand. That's more than enough to be worth suing over. It can't make his relationship with his father any worse.

[@curiouscat3384]

If it costs $10K to force the sale of a house (per Dave many times in other videos) then an adversarial court case is going to cost upwards of $16K for sure.

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@curiouscat3384 Forcing the sale of a house is far more expensive than suing someone for $16k. There are very long processes to go through with lots of checks and balances, since you are throwing someone out on the street and they could lose $100k from the price on foreclosure being less than the market price plus all the fees they'll be lumbered with. For $16k, you can just go to small claims court on your own (if the small claims limit is less than $16k in your state, just sue for the limit and write off the rest). You don't need a lawyer. There will be a small filing fee and that's it.

[@ebransc09]

You sue, years later, you may collect a judgment And then you can collect it from the father with the failing business?

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@ebransc09 There is no need for it to take years. Small claims cases usually take a few months. And just because his business is failing doesn't mean he has no money. If the business has only recently started to struggle, he's probably got plenty saved up from when it was doing well.

[@megan2478]

@@thomasdalton1508 Small claims is anything under $5K.

[@andrewgeissler8887]

SUE HIM. Insurance or not this is completely and totally on the father, and he should be forced to pay the whole bill and double for putting his own child through that. I really don’t understand how they could possibly tell him to pay.

[@wenchyfoodwench4098]

Why would the cops call the ambulance? Surely when they arrived they saw he was fine? And surely he explained the dynamic? There has to be more to the story. Anyhow I disagree with the advice that he should just pay. I’d sue his parents if I were him. At least try. Definitely see an attorney and dispute with the hospital. And get a restraining order on Dad for sure as well as criminal charges.

[@daniellineberry8879]

As EMS, we can not take you against your will. That's kidnapping, unless the police say you are not fit to make the decision.

[@cherylbroadenax1006]

If the cops had not called the ambulance, then a law suit. So because of this woke carp, they have to act.

[@sarikagoode1505]

Cops don’t diagnose anything. They called the ambulance and they took the man into the California 5150 hold. And then sent him the bill.

[@daniellineberry8879]

@sarikagoode1505 You still cannot take someone in their right mind without them giving consent, or the EMS could be charged with kidnapping. That is federal law.

[@wenchyfoodwench4098]

@@sarikagoode1505 I know they don’t diagnose but they can assess and didn’t have to call the ambulance. I’ve seen people weaponized welfare checks to target estranged family members and they don’t all get baker acted. The caller IMO should get a good attorney and go after everyone including criminal charges on Dad and a restraining order. But it’s ok if you disagree.

[@Smallvillefreak]

I’m sorry, but I don’t know why they repeatedly mentioned that he’s at fault for not having insurance. He’s free to choose not to have it, but it’s not his fault that his father is abusing the emergency system with fraudulent claims that have fallen on him. That was just dumb to mention multiple times.

[@GAFB1122]

Hmmm free to not have insurance. So what happens when he breaks his leg doing some outdoor activity and goes to the hospital. It will be thousands. Do you at least believe he should pay the bills? The bills will be extensive? How long do we give him to pay? Months, years, decades?

[@HOLDXSTEEL]

@@GAFB1122let it go to collections and pay later for pennies on the dollar

[@laurenw768]

@@GAFB1122that’s completely different. In the situation with his Dad, nothing was wrong. In the situation where he breaks his leg, yeah, that’s on him. The situation with Dad was through no fault of his own.

[@GAFB1122]

​@laurenw768 Oh I understand but it is a relevant question to ask an adult... do you have health insurance and if not, why? A responsible adult has health insurance and they figure out how to pay for it.

[@GAFB1122]

​@@HOLDXSTEELSo I have to pay for your irresponsibility, got it.

[@naca1553]

settle with the hospital for less and get that restraining order!!

[@siva47931]

What happened to paying what you owe?

[@curiouscat3384]

@@siva47931 I agree BUT if I pay that bill I will follow up with an ongoing campaign to have hospital prices investigated for fraud for profits for the CEOs and investors.

[@patroberts5449]

I think the hospital will help with a set payment plan. Sometimes they might even give you a 20% discount if you can pay it out immediately. Maybe get it reduced to about 12k

[@r.rodriguez4991]

The hospital deserves $0. What are you talking about. The guy gets involuntarily dragged in and they do nothing but lay him in a bed. Yeah right $16K...

[@r.rodriguez4991]

​@@siva47931 Why should he owe a hospital that did nothing when he was fraudulently dragged there? Are you serious?

[@emoney1231]

I'd sue dad or just not pay the bill. If they took you against your will, you owe them nothing in my opinion.

[@laurenw768]

That’ll affect his credit and potentially cause issues if he doesn’t pay. Unfortunately there are consequences. I’d sue dad.

[@curiouscat3384]

@@laurenw768 Suing dad could cost as much as the $16K. And no guarantee he would win a settlement

[@austintomkewitz3981]

Just don't pay it F the system

[@karyndewit193]

@@laurenw768medical bills don’t count against your credit report.

[@TonyCox1351]

Bad advice all around. Negotiate with the hospital for a much lower bill. Then get on a long term payment plan. Pay it off and consider it an expensive lesson for staying so close to what was clearly an unstable person. Change your phone number, move on, and never think about dad again

[@Munenejr]

Some people have crappy parents this is so messed up

[@drn13355]

You haven't heard their side of this.

[@katemiller7874]

Also some people have crappy kids. Lazy entitled kids.

[@Cyanopteryx]

@katemiller And whose responsibility was it to raise kids who aren't crappy? The parents.

[@Aboutaprincess]

If that happened to me, I would feel almost kidnaped, I wouldn't pay a penny.

[@r.rodriguez4991]

Yes! Thank you. Somebody with sense. I'd love an itemized, per hour list of how they got to $16K.

[@drtij_dzienz]

Out of principle, I would never pay a penny of the bill.

[@megan2478]

And you'd still owe the bill.

[@r.rodriguez4991]

@@megan2478 By what standard can you actually be held liable for such a bill?

[@Nickbronline]

By definition he was kidnapped

[@jasonbornne7767]

Parents are psychos. Change your #, move to another address and block them etc

[@esstong8064]

Id change me name too

[@kleindropper]

@@esstong8064 Yep, total witness protection program; he's gotta get away

[@kaitlinmarshall7074]

Unfortunately it's not that easy. My dad has threatened to psyche hold me in the past, and I've moved twice without giving him my new addresses. He pulled it up off the voter rolls and sent me an Amazon package just to prove he could still find me. I have multiple friends available to vouch for my mental health and safety at any given time, but I still have to budget around the potential. Nothing short of changing your name and giving up your entire life frees you entirely and I have too many other people I care about that I don't want to leave behind. The medical system in the US is messed up in a lot of ways, but one reform we absolutely need is zero charge for mandatory holds. It's completely unethical to force someone to pay for a service they directly refuse. If the government has decided they need the evaluation, the government can pay for it.

[@jasonbornne7767]

@@kaitlinmarshall7074 Don’t vote. Very simple. Your safety and sanity are worth more than your right to vote. These are facts.

[@kaitlinmarshall7074]

@@jasonbornne7767 Yeah, except that he can also pull off the county record for home ownership. Is it also worth my right to own a home to live in? The fact is I can either pitch my life down the drain or accept the risk that he tries to psych hold me. I choose to accept the risk and budget accordingly. Anyone who claims it's easy to get away from an abuser like that is not realistically considering how much you have to uproot your life, and how easy it is for them to find you again in the age of the internet. It's totally valid to do your best to disappear, but it's not easy or necessary to deserve sympathy for your circumstance.

[@creature57]

I recently had a $5100.00 hosptial bill voided because I applied for financial aid. Go for it. Tell them about the circumstances too. It all goes to why you ended up in front of them. So sorry for your situation. It will get better. Take care of yourself.

[@sarikagoode1505]

It’s called the 5150 hold in California. Involuntary admission if the authorities believe you could commit harm to yourself. Unfortunately the person admitted gets to pay a steep bill for this.

[@r.rodriguez4991]

That's idiotic. California really is trash. They're handing out tents to the homeless but won't spend a dime to make sure you won't kill yourself apparently.

[@MoMitup1]

It doesn’t apply if you don’t present a direct threat to yourself or others. A person just saying that another person is a threat is insufficient to hold that person. Something is not ringing true about this story.

[@patty109109]

@@MoMitup1yep why are you and I the only ones with a damn clue? Something is absolutely not adding up in this story at all. Jade and George ate this hook line and sinker.

[@DontAtMe2k24]

Couldn’t agree more with both of you. It’s called a 10-13 in Georgia. You don’t get hauled off by simply saying “Joe said he was going to harm himself”. Meanwhile Joe is calm, no evidence of wanting to harm himself, and denying said claim. At that point, Joe can’t just be hauled away(legally).

[@kencrouch668]

I used to work in a hospital business office- as long as you don't wait until they turn the bill over to a collection company they will work with you on payments. I do not know how it is now but when I worked there they did not charge interest. Set up a payment plan and stick to it! Also- good advice about the protection order - go to the police station and explain what happened -take the copy of the bill from the hospital and the medical record as proof that there was nothing wrong you in the first place! That way if Daddy tries to do that crap again then maybe the police will put him in jail for falsification!

[@radolfkalis4041]

He got away with it once, you can bet he will do it again

[@bnations2000]

@@radolfkalis4041 Per Tim the caller, he's been doing it for 18 years ("since I was 10 years old"). That's insane.

[@Loljjkb]

Hate people that use police as their personal weapon to intimidate people.

[@cutehumor]

Rather use the police than trying to kick yo butt myself 😂

[@kleindropper]

Seems like the cops are really stupid and fall for it every time too. How many times does a house need to get SWATTED by the same morons before they wise up?

[@TMPS93]

There is more to this story, I asked my brother who is an EMT if they can just take someone against their will when they are clearly fine. Here's what he said: No we do not, if they are alert and oriented to what's going on around them they can refuse if they're over 18. Tim is hiding SOMETHING on this call.

[@lauren4078]

That woman in SC, Mica Miller, whose death is currently being investigated by the FBI was involuntarily committed by her cheating husband, and she and her family said she was held against her will. I believe this is a type of 'lawfare' that's not all too uncommon.

[@daniellineberry8879]

Thank you, that's is exactly what I said, it would be kidnapping and jail time for EMS.

[@Bamapride1985]

I guess it is a California ordeal from what I heard. I know where I am, even when the parent and family knows issues with the person, if they are over 18, they have to petition the court for a court order to have the child placed into mental health facility and even that requires multiple people to collaborate to the judge that the person is in danger of self harm

[@r.rodriguez4991]

Not hiding anything. It's right on screen. He lives in LA.

[@happyinparis]

Yes, they absolutely do! They did it to my sister based on a spiteful call from my brother. The cops even stood there and belittled her at the hospital trying to make her mad. She didn't say a word.

[@neutralcommenter7800]

There's clearly more to this than the caller is claiming. They don't just put you on a 5150 hold if they show up and you are perfectly normal and you are not threatening anyone else.

[@cuniestrada]

100% AGREEE

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

Have you ever been to the USA?

[@tylermcdonald7751]

I second this. In this day and age the hospitals don't want you. Unless you present with a likelihood to act now on ending your life they will likely turn you away. It's far more difficult to get your rights stripped like this than the caller is indicating

[@KateWilliam75]

I agree. I worked in a psych hospital and an edict from the Supreme Court to commit someone to a mental health facility and not just a disgruntled father.

[@markeayers]

Right! If the cops show up trying to drag me to a hospital I'm not complying!

[@289Mustang67]

This situation illustrates why people have concerns about red flag laws. If a red flag law doesn't require due process, a family member or someone else with a grudge could make stuff up, have your firearms confiscated, and then you have to spend money on a lawyer to get them back.

[@naca1553]

What an unbelievable father!

[@Boringcountrylife]

Y'all gave all the good advice. I hope the caller listens to this again to catch anything he may have missed or not heard.

[@elizabethpoley6882]

I feel for Tim. I had a dad that did crap similar to this if you didn't do exactly what he said. He was a "my way or the highway" type of guy. I had this happen to me several times. It's humiliating!! He would call the police. Tell some sort of lie. They would come. Take me out in handcuffs in front of all the neighbors, like some common criminal. Of course, by this time, I'd be hysterical! Then, I'd spend about 2 weeks in the local hospital's lockup ward. Then, things would be great for awhile...until something else would set him off. This happened 3 times before the nurses came to me one night and said, "This is abuse. We know you were planning to move back to LA. We want you to pack when you are released, leave immediately and never look back." I can never thank them enough. Right now, I don't have alot of money, and that is a good thing, because otherwise, I'd fly back to Poughkeepsie and piss on his grave. Some people are just truly warped.

[@davidbriley3626]

They're wrong here. The dad needs to suffer the consequences. It's not about retaliation; it's about parenting your own parent and teaching him to be an adult. Plus, he straight up broke the law by making false emergency claims.

[@patty109109]

I got a bridge to sell you if you think calling cops can result in what happened without the police having some reason to believe it. I would be immune to this because if the cops came over, I would laugh and ask them. What are they even even talking about and they would laugh and then they would leave.

[@heavylogic4204]

Crazy situation! This was the best response to the situation

[@fire12731]

It’s called suicide not un-aliving. I seriously hate the pathetic jargon today

[@AliciaMcIntire]

He knows the real word, but they have to use a different one due to the youtube algorithm. If you say that actual word, the video will get age-restricted (reduces the amount of money a video can make, because fewer people can see it).

[@gabolujan3109]

Un alive is the way it’s said. Suicidal is boomer talk

[@blackbutterfly233ify]

Yea KZbin has a problem with the words "dead" "killing/killed/kills" "suicide" etc

[@cchaffincc]

I’m surprised your comment hasn’t been deleted. I hate the jargon, too. I’ve had comments deleted for far less. It’s a nutty world we live in now.

[@probablynot1368]

The word “unalive” to refer to death by suicide or homicide was coined by social media users as a way to fool algorithms on sites and apps that censor posts containing violent content. “Unalive” refers to death by suicide or homicide. The use of algorithms is getting out of control. That being said, I’ll be surprised if this comment appears for anyone to read. Using terms like ‘un-alive’ downplays the seriousness of suicide. I believe society is tip-toeing around serious, tragic subjects by treating them as if they are every-day occurrences, somewhat like, “Oh, he had a migraine, he’s be okay” to “Oh, he un-alived himself, but all’s okay.” I’ve heard young people in the hospital waiting room (while waiting on the outcome of a friend, who had actively ‘un-alived’ himself awhile earlier) talk about how their friend didn’t really mean to to it, and can somehow be magically re-animated. Worse yet, attending a funeral where they continue to casually discuss how their friend ‘un-alived’ himself at such an inconvenient time for the group to deal with (I guess timing is everything). The finality of suicide is diminished with the use of the more palatable ‘un-alive’ words.

[@guccithunder6136]

4:37 IDGAF at that point. With a $16K Bill, my mental energy is already at its low, so I got nothing to lose at that point

[@MrKewlplayer]

Why didn't he convince the cops of this being a false report? He went willingly into an ambulance and to a hospital for a psychological assessment. Why would anyone do that. He went ALONG with it to PLAY the game. NOW he has a 16k bill for it. That's HIS fault.

[@stevenporter863]

How about he contact the police and find out if they are going to charge the father for a false police report (or whatever they call it) and if so ask if he can add the $16,000 medical bill to the charges?

[@videobenny3]

Sue in small claims court. You’ll win if he doesn’t show up. If he doesn’t pay, take a lean on his 2MM home 🏠.

[@MrBrewman95]

💯 best option. Sue for damages too.

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

No wonder America is such a shithole. Everybody sues everybody.

[@dougholdem2898]

Take your father to Small Claims Court. No lawyer expense. Make sure you can prove he is the person who made the call. If the in your state the small claim limit is $10,000, sue first for the ambulance then sue again for the hospital bill.

[@sarahcarrasco]

If he doesn't take it to court, the dad will keep falsely calling the police. I'd take it to court to protect myself in the future. A judge would want to know why the caller didn't address this through the legal system if it was a false allegation. You can have a lawyer send a letter to dad as a way to settle out of court. Restraining Order is a great idea. Poor guy. I'm praying for him.

[@zakariahussein962]

To be taken to a hospital against your will, you have to be sectioned and to be sectioned you have to be in real danger as assessed by a doctor otherwise it would be classed as kidnapping. This story does not add up.

[@Chele-nm4qx]

I don't understand how the cops can force him to go to the hospital- just because his dad called them. If he went willingly- that 16 grand is on him- not his dad!

[@katemiller7874]

They cannot put you in a hospital just because. This is a ridiculous story.

[@radolfkalis4041]

Ohh yes they can. A call that someone is going to delete themselves, you bet they can and will literally drag you kicking and screaming into the nearest psych ward.

[@sleepyjoe1685]

Yes, they can. I've seen it.

[@XboxBadBoy18]

The caller is a lying. They need to corroborate the callers statement. They can not haul you to the hospital based off a third party statement alone. The caller either texted his father a bunch of suicidal comments or he admitted to suicidal thoughts to the police. Stop spreading this false information.

[@vickieclark5931]

Unfortunately, they can. Most people in a psychiatric ward did not check themselves in. They were put there by their family or doctors. If they feel you are crazy or going to do something, then they will arrest you. Obviously, in this case, it was a false accusation, and the father should be thrown in jail for a fake 911 call. But if they would have felt that he was a threat to himself or others, they would not have let him walk out of the hospital that same day.

[@XboxBadBoy18]

@@vickieclark5931 exactly proving my point. The police received more information than a "false 911" the caller sent his dad suicidal messages or he admitted to being suicidal to the police. We can not take you to the hospital against your will because another pary just called 911. You have to corroborate it with something which this caller is leaving out.

[@Themoomabides]

This is either a fake story or the worst people in the world.

[@BlueBoyJocks]

Without diminishing the response from both hosts, I wish Dave who got this call with all his wisdom and view it from Dad’s perspective who runs a business with family member. 🤔

[@r.rodriguez4991]

Their response here was trash. Diminish away.

[@BuiltNutritionFitness]

Love this guy. He has no problem telling his parents no. Need more people like that lol

[@Neoquaker1]

You're telling me that a family member can falsely claim I am suicidal to the police, they will drag me out of my home, and send me to a facility that will charge me 10K+ for a one-night stay? Wtf is this BS...

[@Kaktus965]

Happens to people who shart in a bowl and claim that it’s beef chili for resale…

[@XboxBadBoy18]

Caller is lying. He either texted his father a ton of suicidal things or told the police he was suicidal when they arrived. Police can not haul you to the hospital based on a statement from a third party alone. They need to corroborate it.

[@kellellebelle]

THIS!!

[@timlyz5884]

We where at a restaurant just me and him then I saw him getting mad so I walked away, that's when he called the cops. Don't be saying I did something stupid

[@milakuzmanic3313]

This is the one of the craziest things I've ever heard! They take him from his home AGAINST HIS WILL and put him in an institution that he doesn't need and HE HAS TO PAY FOR IT !!!???!!!??? What a business model! Oh, I'm sure no one would ever misuse that. Ha, Ha. That should be illegal! I usually agree with Jade but NOT HIS TIME. "It's his fault because he has no insurance???" What??? It's his fault next to his criminal immoral POS father and the insane hospital policies???!!!??? NO. NO. NO.

[@DefinitelyNotRin]

and a bill of 16k is hilarious.

[@bnations2000]

It's California, so don't expect the laws and their enforcement to make sense. His Father likely took advantage of the 5150 hold in the Lanterman-Petris-Short act governing involuntary commitment to a mental institution to do this. However, I wasn't there and don't know, so take this with a very large grain of salt. But the laws there are whacky, that I'll stand behind.

[@DefinitelyNotRin]

@@bnations2000 How does it work? Would that specifically be for a family member. I'm just thinking how twisted it would be if you could do it to a random person.

[@eniak00]

This might be one of strangest call I have ever heard on this show.

[@Kaktus965]

*Nah. Just Cali*

[@barbaradann1446]

His admission was not voluntary. They should void the bill.

[@benc2547]

There has to be more to this story. They don’t just put people in mental hospitals for no reason

[@fishmonger7020]

How can you get charged money for a state mandated 5150 check? Sounds like BS whether you have insurance or not

[@TonyCox1351]

So if someone tries to hurt themself, and they get taken to the hospital, the hospital should provide free treatment to that person? Or the taxpayers should pay? Which solution are you suggesting

[@leborhal7450]

That's easy - Police have an insane amount of leyway in what they can say to convince you to do an action. So it was probably a scenario where the guy "allowed himself" to be checked in instead of being 5150'd - which is an involuntary and usually 72 hour hold. I'd have simply had my attorney meet me at the hospital, given a temporary power of attorney to be released or threatened to sue the hospital for malpractice and police for unlawful detention under color of law.

[@fishmonger7020]

@@TonyCox1351I’m not sure it’s fair for the state to force people to do something and then when they pass the test, charge them for doing it. It’s not their decision. It’s the states decision to test them. The state should pay.

[@lindap.p.1337]

Duh, who the heck do you think will pay?

[@heathmcconnell3901]

@@TonyCox1351 For me, it would depend on whether it was a "legit" one or not. If the person really did attempt to or consider harming themselves, then it's fair for them to get the bill. But if an involuntary hold turns out to be a "false alarm", then yes, I would argue that the taxpayers should foot the bill on that.

[@ruger338magnum]

Cops force you to go to the hospital and then make you pay for it. What the!

[@genglandoh]

I just do not understand how a parent can treat their son like this. My parents and my wife's parents made many sacrifices for their kids. Of course I did not realize it when growing up but today looking back I can see it. My wife and I have done the same for our kids.

[@RepentImmediately]

I had a friend whose father called the cops on him and gave them false info. I know very few people who have decent parents. People who have decent childhoods typically don't realize how most parents are.

[@bonniemcmaken3966]

Yeah, there's way more to this. The cops don't just go off of what someone else says for mental health calls. If you were fine when they got there, and you didn't otherwise meet the commitment criteria, there wouldn't have been grounds for an involuntary evaluation. Did you agree to go to appease the situation?

[@ZachScape_]

No, they do actually pick you up based on other peoples word to play it safe. Almost nothing the victim can say to avoid going to the hospital.

[@Mr_New_Vegas_685]

Since red flag laws have been pushed so strongly the last few years they certainly do detain you against your will.

[@r.rodriguez4991]

Maybe that's how it was in the past but to protect from a potential suit they'll drag you up and down the city.

[@drn13355]

EXACTLY. There are all kinds of crazy b friends or g friends who would be getting their partners "committed".

[@happyinparis]

Have you seen the thousands of videos on KZbin where police act like tyrants? They do this all the time.

[@zombierevel]

Sorry for my ignorance but why he had to go to the hospital? Why he couldnt refuse if he was ok?

[@Kaktus965]

They caught him wafting the smell of his farts cuz he thought they smelled good. That’s game over in a lot of jurisdictions

[@tylersanders2388]

There’s something here that this guy is leaving out. You don’t get a $16k bill just for an ambulance ride to the hospital and staying for the day.

[@annt2685]

I agree!! More to this story.

[@NM-kl9ws]

If they put him in a room, had nurses and doctors talk with him, took his blood pressure and temperature and heart rate, had him pee in a cup, gave him a meal from the cafeteria… I think $16k was them giving him a discount. ER costs are outrageous for the simplest care.

[@daniellineberry8879]

depending on how far the ambulance took him, it could easily run to 4k. One day in a hospital, and an ER visit, 16k would be easy to see. Most places will settle for less, but because of government, prices are that high.

[@wbgookin]

I have no doubt the cost would run up that high, but if anyone can just make a call and cost someone else 16k that's crazy and I feel like it would happen more often simply as revenge. There's definitely something else going on.

[@mirabella2154]

Yeah, you do.

[@scottclaggett6851]

Why did you even agree to go to the doctor? I don't think they can force you... Can they?

[@stanleyw5410]

The ambulance can’t legally force you to go unless you have a plan to harm yourself. He could have refused to go if his story is true. I don’t feel like we’re getting the full story.

[@gorkyd7912]

"Unless you have a plan to harm yourself." So the phone call from the dad would be the evidence they need of such a plan.

[@pedroa.6473]

Take the father to court for wasting the Police's time.

[@saterrah.6677]

Feels like there are some parts missing from his story.

[@Kaktus965]

Like body parts?

[@amamadarkly]

The police would have gone and interviewed him before taking him to a facility. So he must have been acting erratic in some way, even if it was due to legitimate outrage and anger at the dad. Most likely they took him to an emergency department first and that is probably part of the bill.

[@MyraChavez-dy6ip]

She’s absolutely right👏. Ask for an itemized bill, negotiate, pay it and move on. Dad needs to back off, don’t retaliate.

[@ziggywalsh5562]

This son has certain ways about him, that if he is not careful, he'll end up being a lot more like his father than he wants to be.

[@Kaktus965]

*Don’t wig, Zig*

[@bignagile4699]

Why did he go to the hospital? If he told the cops he’s fine and nothing is wrong with him I’m sure they didn’t force him

[@r.rodriguez4991]

You forget he's in California.

[@geraldd8797]

I smell a Rat….I don’t believe this…Daddy’s side of the story would have been good to hear.

[@TheFlyingZulu]

5:02 NO DO NOT DO THAT. The dad will just elevate it further and call the cops again on you to spite you even more. DO NOT ROLL OVER AND PLAY INTO A TERRIBLE PERSON'S HAND LIKE THIS.

[@KillerRose0]

Calling and lying to the cops is illegal. Plain and simple. This guy needs to get evidence and report it to the police.

[@James_Hough]

Not really doubting this guy, but 25 years as a health-law attorney causes me to question simply a call from the father resulting in police having him taken to the hospital against his will as a suicide risk. Generally speaking, it takes more than that. Anyhoo- restraining order.

[@briellejacobs1045]

Have any crazy stories? I love hearing them from professionals in the field!

[@leborhal7450]

Sounds like dad needs to have a conversation with an attorney about defamation and loss...

[@janise01]

I'm just gonna say that I just started this video and I have zero interest in any financial or budgeting advice. 100% here for the drama.

[@1timothydillon]

You're not going to an emergency ward for an evaluation, if the police didn't see any reason to bring you in. Depending on what the police report says, he may not even win a law suit. But I would definitely look into suing anyone who would pull that swatting kind of bull crap on me. At the very least, it was a faults report to the police.

[@AviSpira]

I don't understand why he didn't decline going to the hospital completely especially without insurance (I doubt they forced him there without real evidence). Personally would call the police department and ask them to press charges against the father for the false claim as well, dude needs to learn.

[@ZachScape_]

No, when police get tipped off on a potential suicide case, there is almost no hope of not going to the hospital, even when its somebody else saying you want to do it.

[@r.rodriguez4991]

Guy's in California.

[@AviSpira]

@@ZachScape_ Honestly, I can understand this but it's insane. I bet this is abused af. Scary

[@montymython754]

Not saying Tim is lying about anything, but from the sound of his voice he is someone who relishes the drama.

[@steelcastle5616]

This is why it's so problematic that Jerry Springer is gone. Many of the people who normally would be on his show spread out to other talk shows like this. the screeners need to do a better job of sending these folks to Maury Povich.

[@Undefined14]

There needs to be a law suit over this. You were ABDUCTED from your home by armed men, imprisoned under false pretenses, and given a massive bill when you were released. If your dad wants you to work for the company that bad you should own it.

[@GAFB1122]

This is why you don't work for family and you don't ask family to work for you.

[@siegfriedbraun5447]

Sorry, but this guy sounds really sketchy. Take what he says, with a grain of salt. He was so anxious to tell his dirty story, that he was unable to hear questions.

[@Kaktus965]

*This call is just classic Cali*

[@AnnaLicata-ml7nr]

Many municipalities have "swatting" laws which cover this type of situation. You may have legal recourse just because of that. Check with a local attorney.

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

Nothing is more likely to get someone to work for you than calling the cops on that person and having them held for pretty much any reason. The logic used by the family is insane and also explains why he left.

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

Do not pay that medical bill. It’s ridiculous that they think they can charge $16k for less than a day with no legitimate reason to make those charges. Don’t pay it and I guarantee nothing will happen because they don’t have a case they can take to court.

[@Kaktus965]

*Oh wow I just had a LUMPY beef fart…!*

[@mattatwork2904]

He was a victim of a crime, now he has to pay for it? He should refuse to pay, as he did not consent to any medical care. A mechanic can't just go "fix" your car and say you owe them.

[@r.rodriguez4991]

Look at where he lives. California.

[@steelcastle5616]

@@r.rodriguez4991 It can happen anywhere in the US. Laws still allow personal property to be confiscated and people to be jailed for DUI without proof of wrong doing or due process.

[@scratch57]

not having insurance isn't an error. there is no moral or legal obligation to have health insurance, and even if he did his plan might still have landed him with a big bill. that bill is not his responsibility morally or ethically.

[@GAFB1122]

Admit it Scratch57, you think the responsible people should pay for the irresponsible people.

[@scratch57]

@@GAFB1122 I didn't say that. I want the exact opposite, and insurance is not assurance that it happens that way. insurance means responsible people paying for irresponsible people. the most responsible person gets injured less often or not at all. and their premiums pay for the injuries of less responsible people. a thin person pays for the self-inflicted problems of the obese person. a safe driver pays for the injuries of a reckless driver. a sober person pays for the damaged body of the drinker. YOU want irresponsible people to be covered by responsible ones. a responsible adult ought to have a fund that can cover medical expenses whether or not insurance is a sensible choice available to them. you're either an insurance agent or a socialist. both can be true of course.

[@scratch57]

@@GAFB1122 repeating it doesn't make it true. you have made no argument. class dismissed. try again next time.

[@GAFB1122]

@scratch57 We all know what you're about. Trying to make others pay for your irresponsibility. Sad!

[@scratch57]

@@GAFB1122 what are you selling here?

[@Paul24591]

If he was a 100% honest, their advice might be okay, but he wasn't. There's more to the story, I worked in this field and they don't take you off the street against your will with no other evidence than somebody's word. Maybe while arguing with his dad he said something quasi self harmful and then recanted it when he saw how far things went. I dont know what, but theres more to the story than he is saying, I would bet the family farm on it

[@chuckytherapper]

Yup!

[@chuckytherapper]

My imagination says No one who’s cool calm collected and totally innocent gets committed and billed $16k at the end of this. The cool calm collected totally innocent person ends this interaction without having to leave their house at all that day and they certainly don’t end up being billed for calmly explaining this misunderstanding to first responders. And the first responders aren’t there to convince you to leave. They are there to seriously help someone.

[@analyticalchick3064]

Actually they do. I've known a few people this has happened to. Generally cops have this pro parent attitude even when you're in your 20s. If you look young, they'll still be asking you where your parents are when you're in your 40s.

[@ryanwilliams7664]

Folks, let this be a lesson. Under no circumstances do you consent to a grippy sock vacation. You deny the ambulance, and all care. Heck, get video of you of sound mind telling them you do not consent and any treatment provided is against your will, and you will not be paying for any treatment... Get care on your own terms if you need it, not someone else's.

[@davidloera2069]

2 million dollar home in Los Angeles is a 3 bedroom 2 bath home from the 1950s 😂

[@lonestarrk9308]

I’m suing my father at this point.

[@jennifer.martin.48]

I would have this guy call the hospital and tell them that at the time of his hospital admission that he was uninsured, most hospital have a ways to greatly lower the cost of the bill. Once you settle this with the hospital, I would take the father to small claims court.

[@lburroughs2012]

I would love to hear Dave's take on this.

[@jordonm5675]

how did you end up in a hospital as a person above 18? you can simply state you are non suicidal and don’t have a weapon or plan. they can’t take you in. i feel there might be more to the who entire situation. and is dad calling the police since the kid was 10? why mention his own youth stating at age 10 when he is currently 28 and far removed from being a minor. something does not make sense here.

[@fire12731]

First part of this call this guy is entitled and worked for competitor out of spite

[@GAFB1122]

Lol I've done things out of spite. It's commonplace. Maybe you never have. Guess your better than most, lol.

[@klord6711]

If his own parents wouldn't pay him a decent wage, he has every right to leave. They took advantage of him

[@paulej]

Genuine question here... if he was forced to go, how is that not kidnapping? I'd be mad as heck if I was forced into a hospital fraudulently.

[@cyoohoos]

True. From the ONE side we heard, Dad opted out. However, Son doesn’t want to end this cycle

[@kaitlinmarshall7074]

I wouldn't want to either. Maybe if I could haggle the hospital down, but 16k is too big of a bill for most people to just eat. I don't imagine suing family is fun, but it's totally valid to not want to live on lentils to pay off someone else's petty actions. The son is in a tough position, and there's no guarantee that being the bigger person will stop the dad from escalating anyway. People like that don't tend to want peace

[@Elizabeth-uj8vn]

He should sue his dad for wrongful claim. His dad has the money to pay for the hospital bill, his lawyer fees and time lost. Even better, take his butt to Judge Judy! She will have a field day with him. I wish him good luck. 🍀

[@warrensloan3467]

I really don’t understand their advice, I’m not paying a penny on this until I have exhausted all other alternatives, even if you sue him and don’t get the full amount, isn’t getting some of it better than nothing for a debt you shouldn’t owe? This whole thing was fraudulent, I’m not paying for someone else’s lie unless I’m left with no other recourse.

[@lavenderkisses9461]

There’s no way to prove his dad did this unlawfully, his dad will lie. He’s just got to protect himself better against his dad.

[@privateinfo1711]

If this is true, then he should not pay a cent. He should get a good mean lawyer and sue the dad for hospital bill, court costs, suffering, payment for time lost at job. Along with that get a restraining order and then move away from family.

[@shells500tutubo]

The real problem is that we should not need health insurance. We need health CARE. In any other industrialized country there would be no bill, but even in that case I would file a complaint for the false call. And a fyi, the ambulance in my neck of the woods, southern California, does not cost that much.

[@charlenecummings3181]

I'm so glad I live in Canada and health issues won't destroy me.

[@Yogastrong908]

There’s more to this story. What the caller is saying doesn’t make sense. You don’t get committed against your will unless you are saying or doing something that is life threatening to yourself or others.

[@esonon5210]

I'm guessing this is a fake call or both the caller and his dad are nuts and play emotional games with each other. We're only hearing his side of the story.

[@JoeyLlamaGames]

You should be able to dispute the medical costs I believe. I remember hearing Dr Mike talk about this. The cost is what they charge the insurance companies who get deals on the fees. But they are required by law to charge people the same. There is a way to dispute this with hospital admin. At $16k it's worth looking into.

[@jimeagle5509]

This is sad. It’s just sad. There are toxic people in every area of everyday life and unfortunately the family tree is no different….

[@ryanneilan3223]

Why would an ambulance cost 5k??? That's wild.

[@Ravetar101]

The real issue in this call is that the bill is 16k for absolutely nothing. Nice job America