My Dream PC Build Failed - 5950X + 3090 in 9.5L

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[@westoneichner8089]

I don't know what it is about this channel but the cinematography and studio setup is so calming. Always makes my day when you upload...

[@bmwt4k]

he has the best combination of information (Gamer's Nexus levels imo) and arguably the best cinematography as noted, definitely hard to match

[@bmwofboganville456]

@@bmwt4k This channel is Pure Kino

[@ampere7220]

@@bmwt4k agreed

[@anirudhprabhu8521]

True

[@KessuPutte]

The professionalism is why I like this channel. He doesn't force obnoxious cringey "comedy" but keeps things straightforward and clear. The content is mature. Not naive like in some others. Also the aesthetic of the videos is lovely.

[@pdoge]

Biggest lol moment: "here is an idea what it sounds like under full load" - ad for German navy starts with a ships fog horn blasting full volume

[@Breadfan00]

Ach ja die gute Marine

[@ryanmassie448]

I got a prageru ad staring Ben Shapiros stupid voice lol.

[@Shieftain]

@@ryanmassie448 oy vey

[@lewissmith495]

I got an ad called "life is noisy" at the same time too lol

[@bonzai199]

My ad was "LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH" by Nickelback

[@TommysDaddy]

It's nice to see someone reviewing a build that didn't work as a warning to others ! It probably highlights more useful considerations than if it had all worked smoothly !

[@KoriJram_Big]

i dont like chips

[@prxzmsAU]

​@@KoriJram_Biggood to know

[@michaeljacobs9613]

It's always a well explained walk through, problems or new builds! Thanks for bringing us along!

[@Leonsimages]

You can also plug your GPU right into the PCIE slot and set the PCIE Gen to 3, before building your system.

[@Vulper]

200IQ move :D

[@rickdiantres8873]

U genius maybe?

[@deanholland5601]

Sure, and when a BIOS update after building resets it back to Gen 4? Easier to connect a cheap card on another riser than it is to disassemble the system and custom loop.

[@your_average_cultured_dude]

@@deanholland5601 just get a gen4 riser cable?

[@markdavenportjr5129]

Yep that what I plan on doing when I get my H1 case next year after I get my 5700 xt next month. :)

[@GeorgeThoughts]

I think even failed builds still make very interesting videos, it's great to be able to see what works and what doesn't work! It's all educational and as always you present the information succinctly and through simple yet stunning visuals.

[@janpetelinsek]

Problem w this is that is a small form factor and that the airflow is limited. Just my guess, so a bigger more ventilated case should fix it, and a better cpu cooler

[@jetpil0t]

Definitely interesting to see how much power consumption is really practical in specific sized configurations. Getting any thing like 500W in 10L is pretty excellent, even compared to a console (assuming you sherk all reasonable considerations for cost).

[@benjaminnrgaard9758]

@@janpetelinsek it's really not the airflow or the cpu cooler. The problem here is the size of the radiator.

[@kasimirdenhertog3516]

I think it’s in fact more interesting, certainly if you’re an experimental person yourself

[@saurabhkumar-kh7oz]

“This is what is sounds like at full load” KZbin ad starts playing My god this PC fan makes an annoying sound

[@informitas0117]

Don't give hardware manufacturers any ideas.

[@GATOtyger]

KZbin premium = wait for the g pro clicks

[@wesleymckee9462]

same

[@GATOtyger]

@SOUL SEEKER isn't your ads time money?

[@ferrer985]

1:08 can we take a moment to appreciate the PCB layout design of the 3090? that card so densely packed it's gorgeous

[@ATP-Flo]

The Founders Edition is even smaller/shorter.

[@dario4496]

for that price you cant expect anything else :D

[@DerechteWutz]

Ncase M1 dual radiator setup: "allow me to introduce myself"

[@holden4278]

*Allow me to

[@DerechteWutz]

@@holden4278 thanks

[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

He wants this case thought

[@holden4278]

@@DerechteWutz oh wow thanks for responding so kindly. I’m not used to that on KZbin lol.

[@hannover3254]

@@DerechteWutz what a wholesome reply

[@RealSoundReviews]

This is very honest to speak about something that failed. Reality is far from smooth sometimes when it is about making a build.

[@noellaas3787]

watching your channel for so long already, I really love how much you get into detail on such a niche category (sff).. thanks for providing those Infos always and in such a nice way! have a good one and I am very excited for the update! cheers

[@MadViking82]

Respect for keeping it real! Pushing the boundaries of a mini PC is what you are doing here, which is fantastic. There is always a wall that you will hit, and maybe this is it. Sick looking system, though!

[@RamjeProductions]

I was expecting Flight Simulator 2020 tests with this build. But I guess we'll have to wait for the Dual Radiator setup.

[@ayoadebiyi6121]

Did you really think he was gonna try flight some with the problems he’s having

[@BrigadierKetchup]

"task failed successfully"

[@pbales8951]

This is exactly why I say the NCASE M1 is such a great case... I"ve tried lots of other SFF cases including the Louqe Ghost S1. And I realized the compromises of all of those others just aren't worth it to save few couple of liters. The M1 is small enough, but has almost no compromises.

[@user-xh5pi2nf9q]

The NCase M1 is such a well designed case. Even after the amount of time on the market it still has the least compromise per liter.

[@krishmehta9422]

5:00 An easier way would be to mount the GPU directly to the motherboard and solve the driver issues, set the BIOS settings Gen 3 and then connect via the PCIe riser. Of course in your case it would need disassembly etc so if you have a Gen 3 GPU lying around I understand how that'd be easier! I had been debugging this issue since days and finally found this fix some time back.

[@sparkplugbarrens]

This is a really good idea. I though about buying a gen 4 riser cable, but the one on Amazon doesn't seem to work on ITX motherboards according to a German KZbinr.

[@butifarras]

Yeah, buy a gt 1030! lmao just skip the riser

[@abunchofiguanaswithinterne2186]

@@butifarras in Thanos voice "I used the GPU to use the GPU"

[@VEN0M415]

When I had a 5700xt even in gen 3 mode it had black screens and other issues, but it was reduced drastically, it's a real shame that these cards have hiccups with gen 3 mode and the gen 4 riser cables cost a hefty amount.

[@nhuljpm]

I was anticipating this issue for my own build, but planned on using the mobos integrated output to switch to pcie 3 (before connecting the gpu). Is there a reason this won’t work?

[@snackkeeper]

Amazing video! SIDE NOTE: your fingers turn grey on the left side around the 2:30 mark as you reach into the colour altered area. Just fyi.

[@jeanbiroute]

it's the upside down

[@optimumtech]

Haha, it's a desaturation mask. oops.

[@GunBlasts]

Omg i thought i was trippin’ so hard HAHAHA

[@nosferathu258]

That orange lamp is actually his lifesource. As he gets away from it, his body quickly decays.

[@r34loc]

@Optimum Tech I had the exact same issue on the B550-I with the 5900X and after only updating the Bios to the latest version from Asus. Installing the latest B550 chipset drivers and setting the overclock to auto fixed the issue for me. The CPU is now boosting to 4425 on Conebench R23 and ~4900 in games.

[@user-kh1ro6wv3t]

I looking into mini pc builds too. I didn’t know they will have this much issue. Mini pc just looks cool and convenient to have. It stands out when putting on a desk. Looks simple and clean

[@SchafeyWafey]

Really quite worried about the CPU + Mobo issue. Was looking to get a 5950X and Asus X570/B550. Really hope you can update us on whether another mobo worked, like the Aorus

[@somedude2492]

Bios support for asus mini itx is quite good, you could wait a sec for a new bios update.

[@photofrode]

This could be a memory issue as well. Others have seen performance drops when using 2 sticks as opposed to 4 but it could be more to it than that, e.g. 4 vs 8 vs 16 gb sticks.

[@pacoa-kdbg9303]

I have read some other people with asus x570 and b550 complaining about boost clocks, it is a matter of waiting for updates

[@KnightHasen]

@@photofrode The memory kit he's using should be dual rank, so that shouldn't be the issue. I could be wrong though.

[@Zaj88]

Would I need to flash the Bios with another CPU in it, in order to use the ROG Strix x570-i out of the box, in order to use it along with an 5900x?

[@Leonsimages]

I think in this case a 3-slot aircooled GPU + a liquid cooled CPU is probably the best option... unless you're one of those crazy ppl cramming 2 240mm rads into the T1.

[@Dr01nE]

lmao. Fabio doin' God's work tho.

[@achannelhasnoname5182]

That does sound like a good idea!

[@sushimshah2896]

Does the T1 allow for 3-slot/FE 3090?

[@hoanglh94]

But not many RTX 3080 and 3090 can fit since all the AIB gone with 315mm++ card length

[@Heartl1ne]

This is my exact build and it works fantastically, RTX 3090 FE air cooled with an i9-9900K cooled by an AIO

[@janegoodall1837]

“There was plenty of thermal headroom, don’t know why I’m throttling” Runs heaven benchmark and CPU goes to 90 Celsius....

[@djdorant2556]

Right! I didn't even see a rad on it.

[@waba8834]

The production quality and presentation of your videos are phenomenal dude and athough I’ve been watching your channel for a while now, today I’ve thought to give you a shout to show you my love and support. Your channel is my 100% go to for awesome builds, informative reviews and detailed thermal testing. You represent us proudly here in Australia Ali, keep up the amazing work Yours truly A proud computer enthusiast from Sydney Australia

[@MrBuildAPC]

Holy crap i think you might of just saved me from returning my thought bricked 3070... I just realized the two builds i tested it on where the exact same thing, x570+b550 boards with gen 3 riser (sm550 and xita proto)

[@RamjeProductions]

You can force PCIe Gen 3 in your motherboard settings. So you'll still be able to use your RTX 3070 in your system. Other option is exchanging your PCIe riser cable to 4.0. Remember the latter is preferably much better as you'd probably update the BIOS.

[@faded_taco1816]

He just saved me from doing the same build as him. So glad I didn't waste my money.

[@Lead_Foot]

@@RamjeProductions Pci-e gen 4 has no official support for risers. Some of the risers sold claiming they support gen 4 are exactly the same as their gen 3 risers. All you can do is get the best quality riser you can and hope the signal quality is good enough.

[@naynyamish270]

@@faded_taco1816 I still dont understand the actual issue with his build that ended up perform not great. Is it the motherboard or is it the riser cable?

[@AlbertoNoys]

@@shadyyogainstructor932 I still don't fully understand how to avoid the first issue.

[@P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV]

This was to be expected after just giving up the huge heatsink of the GPU and hooking it up to the CPU's radiator.

[@fartparticles]

Oh, man... bummer. Sorry to hear, but grateful for your testing and reporting. I was just about to attempt this build, but will follow suit on your M1 build. Thanks, Ali.

[@chirag_]

The song at the start is Endless Sunset for anyone who wants to know. I think the artist is called Nastya?

[@skzeeman007]

It is by Nastya Kazantseva

[@thorbear]

Thanks for showing builds that don't work out too, not only the impossibly successful ones. Would be very interesting to see a follow-up on the cpu/motherboard performance issue.

[@lukaszartl6886]

Honest and informative content combined with good and calming vibes. you're doing it right. thank you.

[@802Garage]

First video I've seen by your channel. I very much enjoyed it. Really cool build! Bummer there is so much compromise.

[@Syncopia]

I'm really happy we have optimum and everything He does for us but I feel like he enjoys actually building and tweaking far more than the actual games. Keep it up though.

[@kimnorberg9783]

5950x+RX 6900 XT? I would guess IN GAME they are visibly faster than 5950x+3090.

[@ryanyogianto]

Smart Access Memory feature ? Well maybe... but I think the main problem is still that PCIe gen 3 riser, dont u think so ?

[@illietw]

And less power draw

[@kye3k1]

He does video encoding so he'll be sticking with the 3000 series. Nvenc is really that good.

[@choatus]

DLSS and RTX one or the other or both will make the Nvidia card faster.

[@ca9inec0mic58]

@@choatus but then DLSS isn't supported in 99% of the games, and amd has their own equivalent of DLSS called super resolution launching on December 10th i believe

[@hakankalpcoglu916]

Pure SFF madness! love it.

[@poobalu]

My heart goes out to Ali since I know he loves this case and I was really pulling for this one. Fingers crossed for a bios update that makes this beast possible.

[@KC-nf7ly]

Thanks for mentioning the Gen 3 riser issue, this was the same nightmare I experienced with my rx 5700 xt, except I also had the thrill of dealing with Radeon’s multicolour screen of death, hopefully riser cables will soon be standardized for Gen 4 now that GPUs are majority PCIe 4.0, ITX builders like all of us will be most grateful for that

[@claritoresdiano1021]

Yep proper good quality riser's cable.

[@KC-nf7ly]

@@claritoresdiano1021 now there’s enough market share of GPUs on PCIe 4.0 the industry can justify putting resources into getting Gen 4 riser cables out there... soon I hope

[@GeorgeThoughts]

Can see the edge of your desaturation mask at 2:19 your fingertips keep turning grey ;)

[@optimumtech]

Haha!

[@jev233]

@@optimumtech hi ali, did you try something like this? www.reddit.com/r/FormD/comments/j6s400/formd_t1_with_2x240_radiators_nouvolo_aquanaut/

[@CaveyMoth]

I knew that he was an engineer...

[@fatboy5326]

So close but yet so far. You started with the Ncase M1, now going back to it is like coming home.

[@briandsouza7854]

Your videos are a visual treat! I have been asking you for a long time to make tutorials on how you shoot & edit your videos!

[@dakalla]

One does not simply reveal business secrets. ;)

[@briandsouza7854]

@@dakalla That's not a secret! There are other ways but it would be time consuming. If he teaches it directly then it could save us time.

[@wR3BORNw]

Production level is becoming truly awe inspiring.... I remember when you had a few thousand subscribers and I jumped on the bandwagon due to your slick editing and well-researched informative content. The evolution is simple mad. You are blowing the big channels out of the water. You used to make them look la little lazy, now you are making them look cheap,bland, and unprofessional.

[@FeraMind]

You’re the dr Frankenstein of SFF PCs my guy

[@BENBOBBY]

You can buy Gen4 riser cables (search for LINKUP)

[@syruphi]

I've heard mixed reviews for those, have you tried them? I don't want to jump the gun for my nzxt h1 build for a pcie3 cable with fixed bsods rebranded as a pcie4 cable

[@BENBOBBY]

@@syruphi Yeh I have one. Though currently I have a 2080 with is Gen3, when I finally get my 3090 I'll let you know!... It gets great ratings on Amazon so hopefully works well.

[@syruphi]

@@BENBOBBY damn looks like it'll be a long wait lol

[@BENBOBBY]

@@syruphi Yeh lol. Im number 87 in the queue from the store I bought it from and they emailed today to say they arent getting any more stock until the 4th December ugh :( Also waiting for my 5950X. If only I was a famous KZbinr!

[@eirayu2439]

Sadly not in the correct lengths, yet.

[@Arek_R.]

Witcher 3 still shredding top of the line GPUs years later lol Year is 2120: humans colonised mars, made contact with alien species, fully defeated the nature and became immortal, Cyberpunk 2077 still not released and Witcher 3 100% loading newest RTX8090Ti.

[@iamf6641]

it will never happen because we have never penetrated the van allen belts. its all cinematography.

[@iamf6641]

ie "CGI"

[@BenjaminSodos]

You think nVidia is only going to release 1 new generation of Video card every 20 Years?!

[@pineaplejuicegg7667]

Fun fact ...witcher 2 shreds them even worse theres a forest which is highly populated by well ...plants and trees is a forest duh, that destroys frames

[@JohnyScissors]

Yeah and so will crysis. Its what happens when things aren't optimized

[@DONTxCLICK]

I had zero interest in sff builds until I found your channel. Fucking amazing content and I can't wait to see where you go next with the build.

[@simonmalmo8161]

It's going to be interesting to see how "cool" the rx6900 xt will be in these sff cases.

[@dingo4601]

The Ncase M1 is just a phenomenal case...

[@8bitsamurai6]

It's a legend. The real og. I got a v5. Really want the v6.1 but idk really worth switching. And love the nr200p for a cheaper alternative. Itx scene. Just keeps evolving.

[@Default_089]

Looking forward to the update! I usually don't even bother watching mini builds but your channel has peaked my interest in them.

[@Raccoonov]

Comino Otto fits the 5950X + RTX3090 fully watercooled or aircooled, and looks awesome!

[@curatedaccount2571]

Ali we see you with the gun show homie. 💪

[@22Tech]

Smh not sff arms

[@toddpiedad651]

@@22Tech ATX arms

[@22Tech]

@@toddpiedad651 lmao trueee

[@jorgevillegas1178]

When recommended shows me the video before "all" notifications being turned on 😑

[@claritoresdiano1021]

KZbin A.I

[@timothysoh9102]

You are doing science by giving valuable documentaries. Learning from it is more important than finished builds with unknown qualities.

[@razashah360]

Did a similar build in terms of space in a wall cavity 2 years ago. Had similar issues. I was able to resolve it by splitting the cooled liquid coming out of the loop and sending 2 independently cooled lines to the inlets and then taking the 2 independent hot lines out of the components and combing them back into the loop. I also kept the fan speed at full speed on the rad at all times. Another issue you need to resolve is have another fanned exhaust in the case to get eid of the residual heatbfeom other components

[@mohamedzakhwan1243]

Can't wait to see this build transplanted into the NCase M1

[@matt090385]

From what research I’ve done, water cooling the 3080/3090 is a no go at present in the ncase m1 because the water block inlet/outlet values stick out further than the case side panel. It looks like the founders edition card with the special ekwb block for it might work, (depending on if they interfere with the bottom radiator inlet/outlet in an M1. Regardless the founders edition water blocks aren’t on sale yet.

[@albin3399]

@@matt090385 It shouldn't be an issue for the reference cards either. The reference PCBs are pretty tiny.

[@Sheepykin]

I was having the same kind of issue with my 5900x and my x570 tomahawk where it would not boost up even close to the rated speeds. I was getting like 4.1 all core and 4.5 single core. Turns out in the bios that if you enable PBO and manually set an additional 200mhz clock in a setting that pops up AFTER that then you can get the rated speeds. Then there is also the AMD Curve Optimizer which tremendously helps with temps. I am now boosting to 4.9-5ghz single core and 4.55 all core while running much colder than before, so I am hitting about 70C exact. You also have to manually set the PPT, TDC, and EDC as mine would be stuck at stock thereby limiting my performance to 4.1ghz. With my board I can go up to 500 for PPT (maxing out currently at 260), 210 TDC, and 290 EDC. To access this part of the bios for me it was in the advanced bios mode, then select settings, then advanced, then AMD Overclocking. From there you can find the Precision Boost option and set it to advanced. This is technically an overclock but my system is somehow running up to 10C colder than stock, at slightly higher voltages, and hitting much higher boost speeds.

[@lennard9331]

Hey, I've been having the same performance issues with my Crosshair VIII Formula and my 5950X, thanks for the sanity check. I've played around the BIOS and found a few settings tweaks greatly improved performance, both single and multi-core. So far, going in and simply setting a -0.0875V offset has increased my effective all core boost up to 3.8GHz, up from the 3.6GHz I had when everything was "Asus stock settings." My processor also kept boosting up to 4.9G8Hz or on a single thread when using CBR20 (615pts, much higher than the stock 589 I was getting). Temps went also down considerably when a single thread was being used (was getting upwards of 70°C when stock on a dual 360 radiator open loop with a similar DDC pump, down to 60°C-ish). Explicitly disabling PBO max enhancer also improved the accuracy of reported clock speeds (it reported 4.4GHz all core when enabled, which was obviously wrong as was visible on HWinfo64). Enabling PBO expectedly increased multi-core thermals (50°C on average without PBO vs 79°C with PBO in CBR20), as the current limits went off the roof (215W reported vs 120W without PBO), but the all core boost clocks went over 4.3GHz and the single core boost kept hovering around 4.9GHz. All in all, the max VCore I observed stock was 1.5V on single core workloads, which went down to 1.413V max with my undervolt. PBO raised the average 1V all core workload to 1.25V with a 500MHz or so boost to all core frequency. I think this is the result of an incredibly inefficient BIOS on the 'older' X570 boards which blasts current and voltage to extremely inefficient levels on lightly threaded workloads while throttling the voltage down hard to remain in the 120W official PPT limit. I'm equally disappointed that performance is so comparatively poor relative to other motherboards as Strix and Crosshair motherboards represent the higher end of Asus motherboards and one would expect they'd be paying closer attention to those to make sure performance stays top notch. Hopefully a BIOS update in the future will fix this. Thanks for the video. It motivated me to look for more intricate solutions than I usually would. I hope this helps in the off-chance you read this, as that build looked very cool. I may or may not do a follow-up to this with after playing around more with PBO settings if anyone's interested.

[@factcheck1845]

Hi Ali, long fan of yours. Ever since the Nvidia Ampere presentation of the 3080 and 3090 I knew you would try them in a custom liquid cooled loop in the FormD T1 and in the Ncase M1. My impressions at the time, even before seeing them confirmed by your videos, were that the FormD T1 could have been a good candidate for the FE 3080 to be almost viable in air-cooled configuration, thanks to the possibility to have the extra 1 slot space at the exhaust due to the possibility offered by the case to have a 3 slot GPU compartment. Still I though that the 320W were too much to truly be comfortably viable, but the actual results were a little bit better than I expected. Now onto this video, even before watching this, I thought that both the 3090 and 3080 would have been too power hungry for the FormD T1 with their super high TDP for a single radiator that has to cool a 120W CPU as well. I imagine that the performance in the Ncase M1 will be probably adequate with your dual radiator set-up that you used for your OC 10900K and 2080TI (with a combined wattage at just under 500W if I remember correctly). Making a quick calculation an undervolted 3090 at 335W + the stock 5950X at120W totals to about 455W under a sustained load witch puts in a comparable power envelope to your previous system! By the way, your work and this channel is a huge inspiration for me, as you really create some exceptional videos, with truly mesmerizing cinematography skills and the quality of information is also very high!

[@odinsplaygrounds]

Wondering why you don't just go for air cooled GPU? From previous videos you got cooler 3090 in the T1 using undervolted air cooled GPU.

[@matthewtompkins5540]

Then it’s not his dream PC!

[@odinsplaygrounds]

@@matthewtompkins5540 I guess so lol. I get it though, sick watercooled setup and the particular waterblock & pump etc.

[@len64]

how many dream pcs you want :(

[@TheTAKNO]

YES!!

[@rareraven]

One for every dream... ...made of stardust and hope.

[@Maradnus]

a new one every time new tech comes out! a new power button.. yay time to build a new 3090 pc!

[@goosius_maximus]

Always love your videos; they've always been an excellent source for the enthusiast. The cherry on top? Your video production is the most polished tech series out there. Well done. Sorry about the build.

[@toddmand6451]

Can't wait for the Ncase build. I just bought one, so I waiting to see what you build!

[@ernestns]

There's a sudden drop in demand for the T1

[@AndrewMcDreamy]

Haha, so funny but yet I thought the exact same thing. Ali probably has so much more influence in the scene than his subscriber count would imply.

[@essenceofsias]

You both aren’t wrong, though this is truly the outer limits of what we’d hope for a system like this. With a better mobo/bios and a more thermally efficient GPU (maybe the Radeons will fare better?) he’d be in perfect shape.

[@rickyc5860]

@@AndrewMcDreamy Big part is due to QC also...look for it on reddit

[@AndrewMcDreamy]

@@rickyc5860 don't know who/what that is, educate me!

[@potatosmasher1072]

@@AndrewMcDreamy I believe that he was abbreviating “Quality Control” and implying that you would find more people with faulty part issues on Reddit.

[@kimnorberg9783]

Perhaps only external cooling water system would work, like the ones in our lab for the turbo pumps.

[@michaelhoffmann2891]

Ah! I was *literally* discussing whether this was possible and how far you could push those super-small cases. Good to know where the limits are!

[@coolkatmehrfth]

that POV cam is insane! nice work Ali

[@arvinsim]

I hope this setup works for the NR200

[@benjaminmarland3716]

I just bought all of these components with the hopes of fitting them into my T1.1 whenever it arrives. This is a real bummer. Please update us on any advancements on how you get it working! Also, thanks for the great videos, they are thoroughly enjoyable to watch.

[@bekahsmith1317]

I have the the 5950x and x570-I ROG motherboard as well and I just installed the latest BIOS - 3406 - restored optimized defaults - set my memory profile - Hit F7 and clicked over to the right and choose ASUS optimized and then saved and rebooted. Solved all my temperature issues. FINALLY. OMFG.

[@ZisisKoukoumakis]

First time watching one of your videos. I really liked the way you broke down the issues with your system, as you mentioned at the end, I had the same thought about a slim 240 rad being unable to cool down all that boling water. I'll be sticking around to watch your solution to this. Thanks for sharing!

[@quinx]

I'm not a tech-head by any means and the only times I check out tech related videos is whenever I am building a new rig which is maybe every 4 years or so... But whenever you upload a new video and it pops up in my subbox I refuse to not click on it - Your videos are by far the most aesthetically pleasing tech videos on this website and considering how saturated the tech-video market of youtube is, that's something to be super proud of. Keep doing what you're doing, 'cause you're doing it right man! 🖤

[@rickysargulesh1053]

Damn I have the same board and wanted to go with the 5900X. If it underperforms so much I need to get a different board. BTW that PCIe 4.0 problem is common across all X570 boards. I read the same on the MSI Unify.

[@AlexanderJones88]

I'm doing the same build as you (nCase m1 tho) - it's a gut punch when SFF Jesus goes and says the mobo sucks. I've already got it... hope there is a BIOS update...

[@vusun123]

Have the same board and CPU as Ali, and yes it boosted only to 3.7Ghz, very odd. Must be a problem in the Bios, hopefully Asus fix this

[@yummypugs]

damn, i ordered this board last month asewell and am getting my cpu on Friday. :/ I hope this isn't a widespread problem cause he said this was the best board for itx... Not sure what to do

[@vusun123]

@@yummypugs wait for newer bios perhaps

[@yummypugs]

@@vusun123 yeah I know but my return window is closing soon, on Friday actually :(

[@brandinwilliams4113]

High static pressure fans, a negative voltage offset on the cpu, less voltage to the ram, and less aggressive pbo settings would all help drop temps . Good luck working it out! It's going to take some tinkering. Having active intake and exhaust will help also. Can slim fans fit in the bottom? The balanced power plan setting can help too.

[@chillichillibang6789]

Have you considered retouching on this case and parts now that market and software is more settled?

[@RN-kl4kp]

I think you should wait for AMD 5000 CPU series new bios ..

[@Alobster1]

It was completely a cooling issue. The cpu isn't going to boost higher when it is sitting at 79c in blender. That is way too hot to be boosting higher. It was getting up to 89c in games and 90c is listed as the max temperature for these cpus

[@PKAWA]

Great, looking at my Asus x570-i and have the 5900x on order....

[@simonmalmo8161]

It's so new though, might just be driver related.

[@Nilex2140]

I havent clicked purchase yet, but now i really dont know what to do lol ;D

[@Sai-P]

Same lol. I'm already past the return period on my motherboard 😅😅😅

[@PKAWA]

@@Sai-P haha oh well. Luckily I don't want to watercool the gpu

[@Thanx4alldafish]

I'm in the same boat...asus x570-i has been waiting patiently for me to complete its build, and the 5900X should arrive next week!

[@yskwong]

I have also failed my dream 5950X build. I bought the Chinese SGPC K77v1 few months ago, wanted to get a 3950X on it, but decided to wait. I finally got my 5950X last week, and my Noctua D15 arrived. I know it wouldn't fit, because the fan was too tall, but I thought I could use a CNC router or laser cutter to cut an acrylic with a hole, so that I could have the HSF protrude out of the case about 1 inch. I've installed everything on my Gigabyte B550i Aorus Pro AX, and the biggest issue I faced is the HSF's fins are way too big, it takes up more space than my motherboard, and that case would not fit my case at all. Now I'm really upset. I'm not sure what I should do, as I can't return many parts bought. I've even bought 2 Noctua 8025 fans.

[@Joh_Lam]

Recently got the Watercool MoRa 3 - 420 radiator in stainless steel version with 4 noctua 200mm chromax fans. The radiator is really goog looking actually. I understand if you prefer small cases but in this case an external radiator with some quick connectors just makes so much more sense. The MoRa is great and you could even hide it somewhere if you don't like to see it and just use longer tubing.

[@johnnyxp64]

your dream pc... until rx6900xt is released. 😉🤣

[@Battechofficial]

Keen to see this same build with a mobo swap. If that’s still no good, I’d be more keen to see this build in a slightly larger case with the new Radeon flagship gpu.

[@BrianBGeronimo]

Just last month, I also did 5950x + 3090 in an 13L ITX zzaw B2 plus. All air-cooled, C7 Cu+conductonaut on cpu, stock fan on RTX Gigabyte Vision, and four fans for push-pull bottom-to-top config. CPU and GPU is set to Eco mode and 90% PL; 48°C and 38°C at idle; 83°C and 73°C at full load, respectively. Very inspired with your work.

[@MohamedAshraf-fv8jk]

sir .. your videos is extremely professional .. i exceptionally love every video you make

[@elektra81516]

Always annoys me when you dont tell us what music you use. You have great taste!

[@TheAviationAnonymous]

I wonder if this build we be ok thermally with a undervolted 3080 instead

[@swamtoherbutt]

I am going to test my 3080 FE again in my T1 build (3700x) undervolted but I was seeing 80c with the stock profile with no side panel. There just isn’t much room to get the hot air away from the card.

[@TheAviationAnonymous]

@@swamtoherbutt Cool, thanks for the info. Is your build cooled with a 240mm rad in a custom loop for GPU and CPU or what?

[@nickrreese]

@@swamtoherbutt Any updates on this? Were you able to control the temps any better on the T1 with a 3080?

[@swamtoherbutt]

@@nickrreese Yes undervolting and maintaining space between the card and psu helped immensely. I also added a small 90mm fan near the DIMM slots to help keep them cool and also keep the warm air from the 3080 circulating. With a proper undervolt my FE rarely goes above 70c now.

[@OGSuperDirty]

You can buy a gen4 pcie riser cable on Amazon. I’m surprised this guy didn’t check for that when planning this build.

[@OspreyGamingANZ]

Could of things you could try. - People have managed to fit an additional 15mm fan under the PSU with custom cables. Looks like you would need to redo your runs to suit however. And you will need a extender for your 90 degree fittings on the rad as the EK torque fittings dont have enough height to clear a slim fan. - Or flip your radiator and fans so you can run a 25mm fan under the PSU. - What about Lapping the CPU block and IHS?

[@FeqZGalaxy]

Almost every tech youtuber has the Logitech G PRO wirless mouse. It's the best mouse I've ever had and it's awesome to see it in so many videos around youtube :D

[@oOMeowthOoPlushie]

I'm a simple cat. I see Optimum Tech doing new iTX case review: I click I see Optimum Tech failed new iTX build: I CLICK

[@jasonmay1978]

Im impressed you were even able to fit half that rig in that tiny box. Well played man.

[@natecook06]

Yep, back to the M1 with dual 240 rads. It’s just such a great setup! I rebuild my main PC about once a year, jumping cases and components, but my last several builds have been M1 and dual 240s. For peak single-GPU gaming, this is my favorite combination of size, acoustics, and performance. My system is a 3700X and 2080Ti now. I’m planning to upgrade to a 5900X and 3080/6900XT, and I will still have no problem dealing with the heat quietly. The 30-series’ smaller reference boards will even give better airflow to the bottom rad while being much easier to build around.

[@michaelthompson9798]

Hey Ali, you seen the 10% performance drop video’s when using dual single dimm vs quad dimm with Ryzen CPU’s on other major KZbinr channels? Great video regardless

[@TheDrHao]

He is using dual channel kit g-skill 32gb 4000mhz trident-z

[@tawl-x]

Its about Dualrank (DR) and Singlerank (SR). With 2x DR you have the biggest bandwith, like with 4x SR. Less will reduce the bandwith, so performance will drop. Like with every other Zen gen oder Intel.

[@matrix1303]

You're saying you got 10% less perf on this MoBo compared to the full review one. Did you use different memory for this build? Or what was the RAM setup there?

[@essenceofsias]

You thinking what I’m thinking? Needs moar ranks?

[@matrix1303]

@@essenceofsias Yeah. But I wrote the comment too hastily. Maybe the lower perf is really due to insufficient cooling.

[@dinosoarskill17]

Your PC may have failed you, but you haven't failed us. We love you

[@radspiderjackson]

wish i had discovered your channel years back before my current build or laptop purchase. all i wanted was extreme sfx build

[@akaidi1270]

@optimiumtech Is that the LG monitor u recently reviewed ? 4k 144hz 27'' ?

[@cthzierp5830]

Please don't mention it, it's already impossible to buy 🐄

[@akaidi1270]

@@cthzierp5830 and it hurts not being able to get while seeing it :v

[@duch11]

Just use the PCI-E Gen 4 riser from the louqe ghost s1 Mk3 :)

[@louleopardi7170]

A few people have been having performance and thermal issues with the Ryzen 5000 CPUs. The problem: Power Management Plan in the motherboard bios... for some reason the Normal Balanced Power Plan works fine but the others must not have been updated for 5000 yet. @Optimum Tech give this a shot, if you haven't already, before tearing this build apart!!!

[@gregzapia]

It's a mathematical equation about thermal, but after reading at EK, the radiator must not be far from 350W/10°C (EK-CoolStream XE 240 data). It means that if you have a 10° difference between coolant and ambiant, you will dissipate 350W max (with crazy loud vardar at 1800). With silent fan (900rpm), effect of wind may decrease with at least linear effect, which means 175W (at best). It's actually half of the power of the card and not far from what 5950X produce in a multithread high load. So your cooland will be rougly 30° above ambiant (let's say 50° at least, pump maxes it at 60°C) to dissipate 375W of the 3090 and 150 from the CPU. Then you have the cooling power of the waterblock. Nice video but this was easily foreseable, apart from compatibility issues and software bugs.

[@tomgillotti]

Just air cool the GPU. It has direct access to air

[@AllemandInstable]

even though it is in contact with air it's about flow however it's not in a controlled closed environment that's why he had to use water cooling which allows for a flow

[@MoneyMaking861]

@@AllemandInstable 5950x+3090 in that little case lol...Im not surprised

[@detuneCris]

Basically this video: I did everything wrong when building my pc except for buying the best CPU and GPU available.

[@williamhelena7592]

I don’t see what he did wrong considering the purpose of his entire channel?? He’s trying to build the most compact yet powerful system he can for work.

[@brandonbajc2084]

I have a 5950x on the same motherboard as you the x570i strix and im running my fclock at 2000mhz and my trident t z royal 16gb kit at 4000mhz cl15 no problems! I'm using bios version 2813. All other versions won't work. Maybe I got a golden chip? But it works for me.

[@pohalsted8847]

I have a 3080, MSI B550i and I went through that same issue you did with a gen 3 riser. Even after you get through the issue with the BIOS, I still have a ton of graphical issues with 3 different gen 3 risers even when the bios is set to gen3. Slotted straight into the board, I have absolutely no issues. Those same risers function perfectly in my kids b450i builds with 3070's inside. I switched my build over to a non riser SFF. I think I am done with risers for the time being. It is just an another possible point of failure and headaches I really don't need.