My Friend Programmed a Super Hard Advance Wars AI

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Kartal created a difficult challenge for me against a much smarter Advance Wars AI.
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[@Mangs1337]

Me: Advance Wars AI sucks, it can't offer a decent challenge. Kartal: Hold my giant pencil

[@That-Comrade555]

after watching the video, this is so true edit: didnt watch it yet but i skipped a couple parts

[@JasonGodwin69]

Is it hard enough to beat Overpowered Sensei? (His CO power makes Mechs at 9hp, his SCOP makes battle copters at 9HP)

[@dragonlord1507]

👍👍👌👌

[@miguelbaltasar4308]

More than the AI, I think you lost because sturm he is OP and on this map his movement is insane, with lots of mountains, rivers, forest etc that blocks you

[@izanagi3521]

oof that was a tough level, i won with 275 points, so close to S rank :( I did not realize how OP sturm was when he uses meteor strike, my small tank does 18% to his tank on city, wtf EDIT: I GOT 300 score, won on day 11. Gotta beat sturm before he uses meteor strike :D

[@nin10doadict]

The AI definitely seems improved but this doesn't seem the best showcase of that. A lot of the struggle comes from you being Jess on a capture mission with her crappy infantry versus Sturm on a map with lots of rough terrain...

[@Mangs1337]

I would probably be able to win easily vs a regular CO, but it still is impressive to see how the AI actually correctly utilizes APC's and actually sends its units out to harass me. Normally it just hangs around it's own HQ.

[@jessepatten6502]

Gonna have to agree on this one, I'd love to see this improved AI play with other CO matchups, or maybe in one of the campaign missions

[@clydefrosch]

@@Mangs1337 I'd guess that on most campaign maps, if the entire army was mobile on turn one, it'd probably be impossible to win a lot of missions too

[@IONATVS]

@@clydefrosch They could probably make a hard, but beatable campaign making use of the full AI by changing the pre-deploys and property balances on each map a bit closer to "balanced" as a way to counteract the tuned-up the AI--but that'd be a LOT more work to pull off than a single custom mission.

[@DekuLord]

4:58 Biggest mistake of the match! Seriously though it's amazing how a small move like that could have a HUGE impact on the outcome of the match. If Mangs placed it to the right of the infantry to protect the capture, the match would have likely gone very differently as he would have had that base much sooner allowing him to put pressure on the northern properties much sooner.

[@bingobongo1615]

Follow up error of not getting a troop transport and two infantry in the first turn . Capturing factories close to the likely frontline in the first turns almost always is the deciding factor of a match.

[@fernando47180]

Yep, Mangs is not the best strategist by a long shot

[@inaliann]

checking ranges is for dorks

[@Crawver]

As cool as that was, I feel the fact that it was sturm on a capture mission did a lot of the heavy lifting. No need to program around terrain, and recons are absolute menaces. I would want to see how any non-sturm CO would handle there, as those recons ability to interrupt caps in a way you never could is such a powerful thing.

[@dagdamor1]

Custom COs versus the super-AI. Let’s put Gustav, Alice, and the rest to the test!

[@tensai9871]

Dude, I tried this map. My fist time went a bit bad cuz I also got confused. You lose if Sturm gets 16 cities but I guess the first comment of doing it on 15 days is some kind of tip on how to get the S rank. Anyway, the first time was going ok but I lost due to bases. The second one tho... It started okay, I was moving my troops on an L shape and I was having a good time fighting on the middle. There was this one time where I had a clear advantage and I was like "I got this" but then he started to focus the top left, since it's so small he just used Meteor Strike and destroyed everything there. He stole that part completely and just rolled in inside my base and I couldn't stop him at all. He also totally kicked me out from the right side and couldn't do anything about it either. It was a massacre.

[@Gatitasecsii]

I have seen the AI Play better than this, In a game called Advance Wars Days of Ruin. I cannot possibly understand why you and panzergraf hate that game when it's so much better in every way haha... Still not to discredit Kartal, Amazing job making the AI actually be challenging.

[@Mangs1337]

... Me and Panzergraf hate Days of Ruin?? When did we ever say that?

[@doubl2480]

"I need to get Turbo Charge, I need to get Turbo Charge so I can destroy his Rocket!" "But Mangs, doesn't he gain twice as many stars as you when you destroy his units?" "TURBO CHARGE GOES BRRRRRRRR" ... and this was the biggest mistake of this match...

[@kentmichaelgalang686]

wonder if he would have fared better as adder instead of jess? i think mangs might have gotten used to getting a +move CO power that's really cheap and spammable.

[@vodkawhisperer3923]

that rocket had to die. it wouldve covered those properties

[@Mixa_Lv]

22:12 The biggest mistake of the run :p The overly optimistic struggle for a power star and clumping units on critical properties just before Sturm gets his Meteor Strike was honestly a Mangs play of the year.

[@flukenchrome9259]

Title should be: Advance Wars but the A.I doesn’t hate APCs

[@arnenesbye2420]

It only prioritizes APCs in ADW1 tho

[@flukenchrome9259]

Shhhhhhh

[@remixtheidiot5771]

There was never a timer in this chalenge. Part of the reason it was so hard was because mangs can't read. He lost before the mission even began...

[@Posby95]

To be fair, I also thought there was a time limit. Jess brings up the 15 days just before starting the mission, for no reason. It probably is just the S rank requirement, but if so, some fault lies in the map creator for not being clear. Mangs could have checked the victory terms in the menu, though.

[@truegamer_007]

@@Posby95 there was no victory terms in menu tho

[@DemonFox369]

A smart AI with Sturm’s movement seems really hard. Plus his Infantry are way stronger.

[@mauricesteel4995]

Man, Kartal is a really cool dude, kudos for him.

[@michaelvillynch9643]

Kartal was my favorite player in Sturm Mangs vs 3 players. You can tell how big brain he is

[@i_am_jarvistm7220]

Mangs: *Continuously brings up time requirement and debates over and over on it* Me: *DO YOU SEE A "# Day(s) Left" NEXT TO THE CO WINDOW?!*

[@Flawskiii]

Kartal, you magnificent bastard, keep up the awesome work with the AI changes. This game really needs it.

[@triarii9257]

Was the AI actually better? Like others have observed, the fact that you're playing against Sturm in a time based mission was the main difficulty. Honestly the only observable change was AI not preferring infantry/APC targets.

[@brianli6562]

Yes it was. The infantry did no suicide and stayed on the city to the right as moving would only make it die at no benefit. The units didn't clutter themselves and make others unable to attack. The units had priorities right by attacking an infantry that could cap freely next turn instead of a low tank or full hp tank. And using apcs pretty well.

[@SoldierOfFate]

Sturm would be hyper aggro and literally throw everything at you if this map used the regular AI coding.

[@panzer_TZ]

Those Sturm Recons are brutal af. The Green Earth veterans of this battle will be having nightmares of Sturm Recons. They make capping properties on the front line damn near impossible without a wall of supporting troops.

[@soulhoney1227]

First time a kaizo advance wars interesting

[@ApocDevTeam]

The AI loves sending units to defend his own infantry when they're capturing properties, that's why his units sometimes 'retreat'.

[@KINFIN123]

So why didn’t you check the terms of the mission if you were confused?

[@clydefrosch]

Putting the strongest Co against the weakest on a map catering specifically to Sturm, I have half a mind guessing that he just set a build order and forced the first couple turns of moves, the rest is just more aggro

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

I mean, he did say that he could make it harder by *any* means necessary short of spawning with a pre deployed army. Not having the map cater to the enemy wouldn't be by *any* means necessary.

[@Posby95]

Not the best idea to use the most OP CO in the game to showcase new AI. I think Mangs lost because of Sturm, not because the AI was smart.

[@soulhoney1227]

I wonder if kartal is able to make a flak hard mission

[@lacreatura4737]

I wonder if Fire Emblem AI is changeable too? That would be interesting. Like a Sacred Stones Lunatic or something. Also, hey! This Hack is actually perfect for practicing. It's amazing training for when you're not playing against a human. Kartal, you mad genius, you did it again.

[@edr1028]

Imagine the enemy starts turn 1 using rescue drop strats. I'd be shook.

[@fakesmile172]

Sacred Stones Lunatic sounds really fun.

[@windmage0168]

@@lacreatura4737 Just imagine the enemy using big bren warp and rescue strats to kill your lord.

[@henke37]

Anything can be changed with enough hax0ring.

[@BoltTheEmolga]

Sacred Stones has been completely disassembled/reverse engineered into C code. You can change basically anything you want, no assembly required. AI is no exception. Only limitation is ROM space.

[@keenices1972]

Can Kartal make an "Oops! All Neotanks!" Campaign Challenge? Edit: make.

[@theblackantonio]

Picked the wrong opponent to showcase the impressive AI!

[@Quoise_]

I love this, the advance wars hard campaigns are fun but mostly it’s just a bigger armor, having strategy be a bigger importance is more fun and challenging in a way that is fair

[@KnownAsKenji]

Wish there could one day be a Google Alphastar style AI, that has to learn the game on its own.

[@genzkie2082]

Im actually interested on what will mangs do for a 100K special either make a advance wars video or a fire emblem video?a

[@jerry3115]

The reason this is hard is because lol aw2 sturm

[@MrHublibubs]

"This is where the fun starts" We were at the verge of greatness, we were this close!

[@Taenarius]

I'm not sure this is the best display, repair AI still needs a lot of work. The AI gimped itself hard by leaving a recon on the top base. Maybe the AI should not use bases for long term repairs when cities are available?

[@somerandomnesspoo8467]

I want to see one of those AI made generation learning (where slight differences are made from the copy of the best of the previous generation). Those things are the definition of the 4D chess meme. Like imagine Sigma Colin except it actually worked.

[@BoltTheEmolga]

Would it be possible for him to just plop the AI into regular HC, so we can experience hard campaign as normal but with a smart opponent?

[@brianli6562]

Then you have a smart AI with predeployed units of hard campaign. Factory missions would be impossible even if they don't start with any units.

[@BoltTheEmolga]

@@brianli6562 I never said it'd be completable, just possible

[@brianli6562]

@@BoltTheEmolga oh yeah def possible.

[@bird3713]

After listening to you all the way through to the end, I went back to the beginning and saw that Jess says "Can I win in 15 days, I wonder?" So it's not like you were making up a time limit.

[@huyisjan]

Won in 19 days with my first attempt and 13 days in my second. The AI is smart but definitely exploitable

[@GeneralBlaguin]

24:36 I literally burst out of laughter when I saw the Co bar fully charged

[@TheJadeknight7]

He forgor, and that caused the biggest mistake of the match. That's a double meme whammy!

[@davidwhidden9337]

Look guys. Mangs' meteor strike strat worked! The meteor crushed 4 infantry.

[@MegamanNG]

Go to 24:42 to see Mangs get rekt bad by the Meteor Strike.

[@rensten4893]

*watches half...* *Jaw drops...* Oof... Egged, are you okay?

[@Sundrie76]

I'm curious does this AI stop cheating in fog of war ?

[@sevret313]

How long till you change your view on repairing on basea, just like with normal repairs...

[@quirbiefe7544]

"gIvE mE tUrBoChArGe REEEEEEEEEEEEE" - Mangs, 2021

[@JuanMatteoReal]

Note: Almost to 100K subs.

[@SilentDrumrRemix]

I actually managed to beat it. took me like 4 tries though lol. this was a great challenge! i hope to get that jess remix out soon for you :D

[@rommelluna9613]

I just finished the map. I watched it first and eventually try it out. I finished the map on my first try.

[@rpgaddict314]

I feel like indirects would have been very useful on this map.

[@myzimensi]

This might be me misunderstanding but I spent most of the video thinking "CHECK THE TERMS!" That said don't know if they edit that in the rom hack too?

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

20:06 IMO attacking the tank using the mech to strike on the mountain would have been more effective.

[@mcihay246]

99.9k subs? Congrats Mangs!

[@CuriousKingdom420]

I would love to see an AI like stockfish or alphastar play advanced wars

[@zeroskill.]

Chess ai's ? How.. would like.. you think that would go?

[@demonking41-l8j]

I wonder if you can program a Neural Network to play Advance Wars?

[@aqa2866]

green earth capital is like 1920 berlin

[@hector_campus]

Very Nice IA ,bad player. Mangs, recently you look frustrated and distracted ¿You are ok? You make a lot of impulsive mistakes in this game and other videos too. This is a tactical game,not a speedrace.Play and enjoy the game, everyone commits mistakes trying new tactics or risky moves, but it is very different when someone plays with disinterested actitude and/or really dont want play the game.

[@arts6821]

Wanted to say congrats on 100k before you get there! :)

[@brasmak2606]

Mangs can you tell me why you did keep making a tank in the top? Those things cost 7k and infantry would do the same jop of protecting that base for 1k. in your main base you could then make an artillery to deal with the top base.

[@BoorishM]

The way you beat AI usually is to Rush a medium tank on each front and protect it. AI doesn't know how to deal with it

[@BoorishM]

Beat it in 27 days :)

[@mariokartftw1]

almost 100k champ

[@jenniferjensen379]

Almost at 100K mangs!

[@tuamundano]

that is a cpu ai? i don´t know any program language but i try to think the logic of a good ai and i couldn´t find and idea that makes it look clever. that was the problem with wargroove that the ai lost the HQ or the advance wars that chase infantry or apc . i want to know what logic is behind this ai

[@BoorishM]

I just s ranked this map!! 280 points. 24 days. Not sure if a 300 is possible. Hahahaha

[@h1tsc4n40]

Can't say i see the AI being much smarter, most of the difficulty seems to come from you playing as Jess vs Sturm on a map with lots of rought terrain and his advanced start

[@babyplaneswalker341]

I feel like mangs didn't expect it to be as difficult as it was so he didn't pay as close attention to the win conditions nor did he really plan out his first couple of moves. I also think if he had one or two more APCS then he could have captured the top alot quicker and even maybe those middle ones

[@OneWhoKnowsThings6009]

When mangs has the intelligence of flak..

[@DD-ko1nn]

Would love to see a rematch now that you know the win condition.

[@mercuryGMMF45P]

16:23 if the AI was smart enough to send that infantry to join capture, and parking a tank on the adjacent city too, I think the game might end there

[@thegreatlemmon7487]

100% jess is my favorite co

[@urbanberndtsson]

Wait, so the AI won't get a hard-on for APCs anymore? B L A S P H E M Y !

[@vastolorde98]

Mangs did you finish a fe8 iron man run? I only remember you losing to cormag so I hope you do one soon

[@DemonFox369]

Regular AI Sturm would probably win against Jess here. Sturm is insanely good at capturing and defending property and Jess is very bad at the capture game.

[@momod5575]

Jess is just a trash version of max

[@LordFrognaros]

I think we gotta go the alphastar route and generate a super ai to compete at a professional level

[@benjaminkutt8231]

Congratulations for the people who saw the previous thumbnail of the videos.

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

Interesting. The AI seemed to figure out that they now controlled the area around that base and went elsewhere. Still, if you're making a better AI I would prefer to see a symmetrical map.

[@certifiedcat9010]

Damn this is going to be like Chess neural networks just for Advance wars

[@luigiye6243]

We are almost 100.000 keep up egg

[@SoldierOfFate]

How would you think you would have fared if you used a CO like Sami or Sensei instead?

[@thormonk]

Turbo charge, more like, turtle charge @ about 55% through the video

[@martinrusso409]

1:36 Jess is Astolfo confirmed

[@ryanprjgamingchannel9437]

Good luck for trying to defeat the AI that is smarter than -ALL- most AW Players

[@robbyg1232]

At least the AI doesnt go on suicide attacks just to damage an APC lol.

[@rockowlgamer631]

hey Mangs, how would I do a romhack of dual strike?

[@julianluk3489]

Unit review: Do black boats or landers

[@alfredozamora2586]

“October 2021 AW AI has become self aware….”

[@Zeofolium]

however, it wasn't a mirrored map so not a true test of the ai

[@vikavolt11]

I may not have played Advanced Wars in almost a decade, but I have seen how to beat Kanbei's Error (Hard) The AI isn't very smart

[@Panzergraf]

24:35 he forgor!

[@mohammedani5142]

Let's goooooo you only need 1k to reach 100k

[@thelostician]

Correction… he needs about 100 subscribers to reach 100k

[@mohammedani5142]

@@thelostician bro that's even better

[@Mangs1337]

Looks like I'm not the only one sucking at math in this comment section

[@mohammedani5142]

@@Mangs1337 I don't care if I suck at math if it will mean that something cool is about to happen sooner am too happy for you man Sidenote : am watching on my phone so the number that appeared was 99.9 so I was thinking it's 1k but it doesn't matter 100 hundred is even better

[@DevaPein]

wrong! i cant even beat normal modes like 3rd level IM SOOO BAD AT THIS GAME LMAO

[@slyllamademon2652]

I would’ve relied on indirects a lot here because of how Sturm’s Day to day works.

[@saitotaiga9358]

i always ask to myself but what jess hold exactly ?

[@SethBeastable]

2:58 sturms base is shaped like a swastika

[@zhamcabilan3526]

Omg The meteor arrives when you least expect it

[@truegamer_007]

How does it compare to dual strike AI? Is it possible to port dual strike AI to gba games? Or is it beyond the capabilities of the gba?

[@Sweaper]

Dual Strike's AI is still slightly better since with this AI you can still cheese with infantry + artillery, something that you would do anyway against AW2 campaign Sturm

[@NopangX]

Can you beat max with sami duo falls advance wars 1?

[@deathnokage]

If you didn't throw things up af the end of 14th day you could actually win around day 20.

[@Suy..]

Maybe you should play the same map with same CO but with normal AI for comparison

[@semioriginalguy]

I managed to win at 25 days, b rank 208 points. was pretty tough

[@Trucario]

49 days... damn! C rank.

[@semioriginalguy]

@@Trucario yeah man wasn’t easy at all

[@ColdEmperor]

During video: a tie always means house wins. Jess did say “I hope I can survive 15 days.” I’m not surprised you thought there was a time limit. I did too. Imo there should be a time limit to really bring in the challenge. End of video: you tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is never to try. I see a lot of people saying it’s only hard cuz it’s sturm and in like…… who gives a fuck? The point of “challenge” is to surmount and insurmountable wall. You do what you have to to create that challenge. Excuses are a cowards way. Thankfully Mangs is no coward and took the loss on his chin. This experience will make him stronger. BELIEVE IT!

[@tt-rama2246]

@mangs Give it a second attempt and make a video.

[@Dessiekens]

So close to 100k! I'm looking forward to it!

[@puffclantv8436]

kinda wish in the remaster they didn't have that wood frame around the map