My Hawk T1's engine fails! Here's how I land it (MSFS)

[@Retset]

I can't believe you didn't simply eject and film it all on a GoPro with a selfie stick - surely this would have got more KZbin views 🤣 Joking aside, I had a go at this once and even managed to get on the runway but there was a lot of luck involved as I was guessing the speeds etc. Very useful video. I'll definitely try it again now.

[@charliespareacc]

Cant forget to go back to the crash and collect the footage

[@cgaviator]

Lol, and thanks 👍🏻

[@markharris8929]

Had a fam flight many years ago. Practice failure. ATC vectored us towards Leeming calling distance and expected altitude. Glide speed 180kts. Arrived over the runway at 500ft, climbed to low key at 1,000ft and 150kts. Gear, half flap, round the corner then full flap and a perfect landing. I was very impressed. It really does work.

[@cgaviator]

Radar PFL… I really should try that next! Awesome

[@RogerM9]

Great demo. I flew Gnats in and out of Valley as a student in 1976, and this is all so very familiar despite not having been back since. The Gnat had no ram air turbine so with a complete engine failure you lost hydraulics as well which meant that pitch had to be controlled on the trimmer, motoring the all flying tail up and down, and trim maintained using the trim tab as an elevator from the stick which added a degree of excitement to the process! All good fun.

[@cgaviator]

Wow… would you have been able/allowed to make a landing using trim alone?

[@RogerM9]

@@cgaviator . Yep. All the time. The hydraulics were powered off the engine. When the hydraulics failed there was an air bottle that would give you 1.5 control reversals and then you'd be fully manual. Not a problem for aelerons which remained quite light, but a real headache in pitch. Once the air ran out the all flying tail would freeze in whatever position it was in at the time, so it was essential to get into stable flight and then exhaust whatever air was left with the tail set in a near neutral position. You could then unlock the trim tab from the tail so that it became a tiny elevator - about the size of a standard letter envelope - and the tail could then be motored up and down on the trim tab. One (not so) tiny issue was that the elevator alone had insufficient authority to allow a proper round out, so once set up on finals you'd progressively raise the tail using the trimmer and counteract the pitch change by pushing the stick forward to lower the elevator. You'd end up with the stick more or less against the forward stop which then allowed a pull from fully forward to fully back to round out. We practised this at the end of probably 25% of all flights so I can still remember it (including the limiting numbers) 45 years later! It was quite challenging to do it in the rain at night, but it was a mandatory check before being sent off for our first night solos. I was taught by this guy kzbin.info/www/bejne/iniXnqqAd6iCa5Y who was a 29 year old newly promoted squadron leader at the time. He was a brilliant instructor who I both liked and respected in equal measure.

[@cgaviator]

@@RogerM9 Wow, really interesting stuff! These days they’d probably just eject without full control authority! 😅

[@stano4601]

That was an excellent demonstration. Good stuff.

[@cgaviator]

Thank you, much appreciated

[@nickshand5441]

Wow.. that was a lot smoother than my usual powered landings. Thanks for a great video!

[@cgaviator]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@mr.s5333]

That must get the heart racing in real life, I was nervous just watching the simulator! I tried this a few weeks ago just to see what happens but it didn't end well. Fascinating video Chris.

[@cgaviator]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@diggiedog548]

Great video, really takes me back to Valley and Chivenor. Thanks 👍🏻

[@tony_bad69]

Interesting seeing the differences between the USAF and RAF’s MATL and ORM321. Thanks for sharing!

[@cgaviator]

Ah, you noticed the MATL. What’s ORM321?

[@tony_bad69]

@@cgaviator Requirements to descend through your controlled ejection altitude. (Forced landing) On profile, runway in sight, maneuver to land. 300’ final decision to eject, 200’ gear down 100’ on centerline. I heard you mention some of the altitudes in the video sounded pretty similar.

[@gdwnet]

4:26 This is basically the same technique the space shuttle used for landing. They called the the HAC - Heading alignment circle.

[@cgaviator]

Well, I think the Shuttle comes with a pretty awesome flight director for that! 😅

[@cgaviator]

Correction… ‘came’

[@gdwnet]

@@cgaviator Yes, in Mission Control!! :D

[@cgaviator]

@@gdwnet 😄

[@Rafa4]

Another great video. Love the Hawk.

[@cgaviator]

Thanks 👍🏻

[@paulsleighty]

Another great video Chris, something I've never practiced in the sim, although in the A2A spitfire in FSX I destroyed the engine and had a forced landing, but that was in as a flat a field as I could find. It reminded me of when I had an engine failure on my powered hang glider, but being a glider it wasn't too much of a problem to land, what was scary though was my fuel line had been severed by the propeller drive belt that was disintegrating, all the fuel in the tank was gone and I thought, how the hell did I not catch fire, the engine and exhaust all being behind me.

[@cgaviator]

Crikey! What fuel did that take, AVGAS?

[@paulsleighty]

@@cgaviator just a petrol / oil mix.

[@garryadams67]

Thanks for the info 're the emergency gear button. All working ok and remarkably I have been able to nail this tutorial 👍thanks again Garry

[@cgaviator]

Awesome, top work!

[@garryadams67]

@@cgaviator on my last attempt I was able to come down in a spiral decent from 13,000ft just like the Vulcan that had to divert to Rio during the Falklands Black Buck raids, ....... However I didn't have a live missile under my wing that I hadn't been able to get rid of !!!!

[@voju]

What a great demo. I should've watched this again before trying :P Extended the flaps way too early and crashed short of the runway ... well trying again is I guess the benefit of the sim :D

[@cgaviator]

Absolutely! If at first you don’t succeed!

[@jjsmallpiece9234]

The only engine 'failures' I can recall were precautionary landings because of a bird strike. Went on a few away day trips to recover the jets from various UK airports. Was once backseat with the Reds and hit a bird over Scunthorpe. Luckily the strike was on the canopy and the remains bounced over the top of the jet.

[@cgaviator]

Did the profile follow anything like this video? Sadly I’ve hit plenty of birds in my time.

[@jjsmallpiece9234]

@@cgaviator No. my experience didn't affect the engine, it bounced off the canopy. So we just recovered into Scampton a few minutes later as planned - no drama. We were retuning from somewhere and nearly home. But I did quickly look at the engine gauges to check.

[@garryadams67]

Very informative, will deff be trying this exercise 👍great job on your landing.

[@cgaviator]

Thank you

[@peter58murray]

i work next to MOD Boscombe Down runway and theres a black Hawk T1 that flies around the airport most days ..it just does circuits all day..no idea what it is doing

[@cgaviator]

Having some fun by the sounds of it! 😄

[@peter58murray]

@@cgaviator yeah he or she is flying at around 300 to 400 feet so quite low

[@dxg999]

Why did the artifical horizons stop working?

[@cgaviator]

Loss of AC power from generators takes the AHRS offline. Standby works from battery.

[@peterusher1964]

My cousin (ex weapons instructor at Valley) had an engine failure (compressor stall a la Top Gun) when practicing air combat maneuvers with a fellow instructor one Friday afternoon. Whilst calculating how far he could glide from 13000 ft over the Irish Sea about 15 miles away from Valley, he managed to re-start his engine and recovered safely. He said the Hawk had a very good engine. It's a lot safer doing it on a flight sim than doing it for real.

[@cgaviator]

Of course… you can always reset the sim! 😆

[@peterusher1964]

@@cgaviator He was at Valley from about 2004 to 2007 ish. If I remember correctly. Before that he used to fly GR4s.

[@marcusaldrich5600]

Very new into MSFS, through XboxX. Your trips in the Hawk have without doubt inspired me. Question; can I get the Hawk for XBOX X as you can for PC? Great work..

[@cgaviator]

Not yet, it depends when MSFS complete testing and release it for Xbox.

[@marcusaldrich5600]

Thank you for taking the time to reply 👍

[@1039king]

Brilliant as ever Chris

[@cgaviator]

Thankfully never used in anger!

[@1039king]

@@cgaviator I'm glad it wasn't Chris, but at least your training allowed for such events if it's required

[@attiliodariva5417]

Love the Hawk! Thanks

[@garryadams67]

So tried this a few times this evening, of course I should have 're watched the video first as I was a little out on some of the heights !!! However I did make it down onto the runway 3 times, (after my first attempt which was a complete disaster) but each time the emergency landing gear failed to deploy 😢 tho I may have been a little fast. Couldn't work out why it wouldn't deploy. Any ideas? ...

[@cgaviator]

You kinda need to click it twice. Once removed the safety, and the second pulls the handle. Forgot to mention that!

[@garryadams67]

@@cgaviator ahh now that seems logical. Will try again later, thanks for the advice Chris.

[@nitwit4947]

I would not mind a 30 minute video on this subject!

[@cgaviator]

I may try another with a radar PFL - they’re always interesting!

[@thelmaviaduct]

@@cgaviator a random one on a route would be interesting, how do you decide to try nearest alternate or eject? Are you constantly aware of nearest airfield throughout the whole of the flightplan?

[@cgaviator]

@@thelmaviaduct always aware of nearest. Zoom to trade airspeed for altitude and achieve 180kt. Assess range. Expect 2nm per 1000ft height loss. Radio call and eject if you can’t make it anywhere.

[@thelmaviaduct]

@@cgaviator so if at low level 420kts, pull 45 degrees and level off at 180kts? What kind of altitude would that buy you?

[@cgaviator]

@@thelmaviaduct not sure, not much! 😅

[@machloop5229]

Another great video

[@Ronald9540]

Thanks for this really great video!

[@cgaviator]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@colb6171]

Thanks for the great video as always. I've learnt such a lot from your video's especially all the real world practical tips. I would love to hear your opinions of the two Spitfires available on msfs. Flyingiron and Aeroplane heaven. I can't decide which one to buy.

[@cgaviator]

Sadly I haven’t got either! Not enough hours in the day to enjoy them I’m afraid! But thanks for the kind words 👍🏻

[@philipmead3575]

My aircraft engine fails after about an hour on nearly every flight 🤦 I'm lost to what's causing it

[@cgaviator]

Odd that it’s a hour. What inputs do you do at the point of failure? Presume it’s not a lack of fuel?

[@philipmead3575]

@@cgaviator fuel is around 600kg remaining. The only thing I can think of is engine overstress when on full throttle to catch up with the formation but as I bring the throttle back then all the alarms and warnings go nuts just like on this video

[@cgaviator]

@@philipmead3575 what does the rpm do when the alarms go off? Could it be electrics off line? Check to see if you have a key bind with engine start or apu

[@davidhorobin1060]

Most enjoyable - thanks

[@sascenturion]

no idea what you just did ..but it was very interesting! thanks

[@cgaviator]

Glide it in after engine fail 👍🏻

[@John-Boy1979]

Have you done a flight in a Texan, from valley???

[@cgaviator]

Not yet! 😅

[@John-Boy1979]

@@cgaviator you are planning to? If you do please notify me 👍🙂

[@cgaviator]

@@John-Boy1979 notify you? For what reason? 😄

[@John-Boy1979]

@@cgaviator I would love to see you fly a Texan, from RAF Valley and through the Mach Loop. Have you flown Texan? (Not on Flight SIM)

[@John-Boy1979]

@@cgaviator to be fair I will be watching out for any of your flights out of RAF Valley and around north and mid Wales 👍👍👍

[@Medge2sc]

Thanks for the vid

[@nh6central]

Great vid! I have a curious problem. Every time I fly the Hawk (from runway or in flight) I have a similar failure to this about 30s to 1min out. Gen, AC 1,2,3 lights lit and main Hoz display disabled. The engine temporarily fails and then seems to recover but with warning lights still lit. I've tried: searching for any rogue bindings, playing with throttle and mixture settings but no luck so far. Any suggestions welcome ;)

[@cgaviator]

I have this occasionally and I thought it was a rogue binding. It’s not happened for a while. Do you use HOTAS? I don’t think it’s the engine failing, I believe it’s an electrical issue. Maybe as a result of GTS start or relight?

[@nh6central]

@@cgaviator Yes, I have TM Warthog throttle, TM F/A-18 stick (used more than original) and TM rudders. Thanks for responding, I'll focus on those areas then.

[@nh6central]

@@cgaviator Success! I must have fooled around with the profiles a few months ago. Switched all profiles to default and have just had two lengthy no warning flights ;)

[@cgaviator]

@@nh6central awesome, glad to hear it!

[@spatialpro]

Spot on, just what we wanna see 👍👍

[@egg-iu3fe]

how do you move the camera like that? Are you using the mouse?

[@cgaviator]

I have external pan assigned to a throttle HOTAS axis

[@John-ql5zj]

Another great video, I’m having trouble trimming the Hawk for level flight, in real life is it possible to trim and fly hands off for more than a couple of minutes ?

[@cgaviator]

Yes, but perhaps not perfectly for 2 minutes. I believe an update is in the works to make trimming easier

[@John-ql5zj]

@@cgaviator ok that sounds good, thanks

[@Sophie-ly5jn]

I'm having issues with my Hawk and my Warthog throttle... All of my switches and axis work, but once bound I can't get the throttle of the Hawk to respond to my input on the axis, but if I use the F buttons I can control the input from there... Any ideas as it's driving me crazy

[@cgaviator]

The latest MSFS update I think affected throttle axis. Try binding it to Throttle 1

[@Lozzie74]

Why was there a loss of critical instruments like the AH? If you were in IFR that would have been perilous. Doesn’t the RAT also power such instruments?

[@CambsPilot]

The primary instruments are powered by the engine driven DC generator but the standby instruments continue to function from battery power

[@rjbray01]

Hello I am absolutely loving your hawk videos and just about to invest in the game. I'm wondering if you use a Joystick ? If so would you mind sharing what you use and whether you also use a mouse and keyboard simultaneously ? many thanks

[@cgaviator]

Thrustmaster warthog combo with 10cm extension 👍🏻

[@rjbray01]

@@cgaviator fantastic thanks very much - really appreciate the help.

[@maggygwire]

Great video 👍

[@cgaviator]

Thanks very much!

[@michahund4879]

Oh my God! Thank you so much!

[@cgaviator]

You’re very welcome!

[@davidmuir6849]

Superb👍

[@jackflak]

Very nice...

[@gregprouse1173]

Great video- are you considering VR and if not why? I find graphics fidelity is greatly compromised along with performance. Until that is fixed Im not going VR personally plus is very pricey currently.

[@cgaviator]

I have VR but don’t use it often for the reasons you’ve mentioned

[@gregprouse1173]

@@cgaviator May I ask which one you currently have. I totally agree. I see you are a real life pilot correct? Your videos are a true inspiration :)

[@cgaviator]

@@gregprouse1173 thank you 🙏🏻. And I have the Rift S

[@rekunta]

_”YOU!…..You could be my co-pilot any day….”_ _”Bullshit. You could be mine.”_

[@cgaviator]

😂

[@CLUBBEDOUT2008]

What is your computer spec, I’m looking to get one solely for MSFS? Thanks in advance

[@cgaviator]

Check the description 👍🏻

[@symie8]

Nice vid Sir. Graphics look amazing! What are your PC specs if you don't mind me asking? Also are you still in the RAF and did you just fly the Hawk? And finally, being an ex bomb-head 😉, if you are carrying a payload, do you make the calculations in your head reference payload and fuel? Or is there a publication which states the different airspeed and AoA you should aim for if fully or partially loaded when the engine cuts out? Or is it just a case of looking to jettison the weapons safely and glide home from there? Thanks again Sir. Been busy with my son who has Covid so not seen many vids lately. Nothing but console games for me right now with him to help prevent the boredom of being locked in his room 😑 Stay safe and sim soundly.

[@cgaviator]

Sorry to hear that, hope he gets well soon! Flew all sorts but I don’t advertise that too much. The FRCs have all the info for glide speeds for different weights. But yes, you’ll be needing to jettison excess weight. You can google for the FRCs or check the link on www.cgaviator.co.uk under Hawk T1 post.

[@symie8]

@@cgaviator Thank you. I think he's through the worst of it though the 1st couple of nights sounded like hell on earth! And I apologise for asking about your flight history. I have this image of yourself as a young man who recently finished training on the Hawk and have since moved on to bigger and better things. I'm quite happy to hold on to that image ☺

[@JimOHalloran]

I'm confused, I thought in an engine failure the pilot gets sucked right out of the cockpit like that poor Trevor Jacob guy. But you landed with the aircraft and not under parachute, I know MSFS is "just a game", but this part of the simulation seems very wrong?

[@nacnud_]

Maybe you should think about more physics:) Google is your friend.

[@typhoon2827]

😂👏🏻

[@Callum.L.B]

One day…. Xbox will get this 🙁

[@Felix_SG]

How BORING! Had you immediately ejected, and pointed the plane at a fully laden oil tanker. I would be impressed, and you would have at least 200K views! :D

[@cgaviator]

I shall bear that in mind for the next one! 😅

[@broderp]

Now do that without a runway very conveniently in your path...