My Honest Advice to Ret Paladins in WOTLK Classic Phase 2

[@Romstine]

We have a very good ret paladin in the raid. He's playing it like a support that can dps. I can't explain how much he does but he supports us very well. He has accepted the fact that a 99 parse for him is like a 70-80 for another class. And guess what? He's having fun :D. We do not prio loot to certain classes because we respect the time spent raiding by all our members. So he will have prio like every other dps. We would not be adding more though, like our fury warrior and they are both exceptionnal players.

[@MrHydra12]

My guild made me respec to prot then raged at me for not doing it perfectly as a main role swap less than 3 weeks ago. Now they let me play ret rolling 99 on everything.... Because apparently getting all 10m hardmodes done in 4 hours isnt good enough. We skipped firefighter because of other raiders and that was it. Now my GM is pally tanking and doing worse than I was while no one says a word about it lol

[@thrillereighties8241]

@@MrHydra12 That is really annoying. You always get these loudmouths in raids. We had this one asshole who knew his stuff but would constantly tell another guy to shut up every time he tries to give us more pointers on bosses. Still regret not standing up for the dude.

[@ozzyrulez2008]

Bruh you had me rolling when you said Uninstall at the start. The only ret Pallys I ever see are either tanks or healers switching to ret for a fight we don't need them to heal or tank

[@herbythechef7624]

Thats all a ret is good for :P

[@smack5472]

It's BS that Blizz has left Ret stuck on a balance patch that requires a specific tier set to be effective. Ret was competitive through all of original Wrath because it was balanced for each patch.

[@MetaGoblin]

its the one change they should make that makes no sense as to why they are not changing it.

[@Luftpvp]

Rets cried in tbc and got their way both with seal of blood and seal twisting given special attention and now they're crying in wrath about balance wanting catered too again. This last patch balancing has been an issue since tbc came out. The final patches weren't balanced they were designed around the fact that the next expansions changes were already on the drawing board as the real balance factor but with that being said you have 2 of the best raid specs of any class in wrath. Better throw a fit you can't have 3 S tier specs.

[@smack5472]

@@Luftpvp Every raid group has it's tanks set, trying to get a tank spot for a raid team is impossible unless you're starting it yourself. There's only so many healer slots as well. I hate the excuse of you have two other specs play those.

[@Luftpvp]

@Smack 54 you do get that in original ulduar in 2009 ret was almost universally viewed as one of the worst possible dps classes right. Ret wasn't preforming all of wrath like some people think. You can't want all 3 specs to be A tier at their roles but that doesn't happen in wow during vanilla, tbc, wrath or even cata really.

[@Chrisnafeh3]

@Zach Rothfus I think it's ridiculous when people say "the other specs are good." I love ret and only play ret, so by your logic, I am not allowed to get a much needed buff because of specs I don't play. I don't really care that we at the bottom of the meters on sims, but I don't like the idea that because ret is known to have low dps as a spec I don't get chosen for things I que up for. I think it's fair to buff it a little, and by no means would it be S tier if it was buffed a little lol

[@jaredawallace]

Went from Rogue in TBC (no glaives) to Ret in Wrath im bad at choosing classes

[@My2Cents1]

Ending my sub was the best advice from this video. Said and done. This in not like original Wrath. Blizz fucked up bigtime, having the class balances adapted to the ICC patch, but without the ICC gear. It feels like TBC all over again. Scraping by with gear from all the other classes, having to compete with pretty much 2/3 of the entire raid. With no tier pieces to loof forward to, or ret pallies are once again gonne run around in clown gear, and act like social workers for the raid, only bringing one for the buffs and never be top of the DPS line.

[@Gmose869]

I really hate that blizzard has made classes there were good (ret and feral) and nerfed them or tweaked stuff for their class. Meanwhile routes can use a lvl 50 weapon and pull insane dps.

[@zacharymcgee5552]

I'm happy they haven't buffed ret, being the only ret my guild brings they giving me prio on shadowmourne.

[@Huhgundai399]

Everytime I click on a metagoblin video for advice on a certain topic I am almost always met with obscure tips that are really only meant for top tier, committed players. Advice that I don’t need or even asked for. Like “how to level from 70-80: “you should’ve done ____ 4 months ago.”

[@vXCozmoz]

This shows so easily how many yt videos from content creators, webb and even tier lists can be so wrong. In our last 25 man Ulduar, our Ret pala dig *2nd* total dmg done after UH DK. All these tier lists you see all over are just bs. You check any of em and you'll see Ret as C tier dps lol and they are just getting stronger the closer to ICC we get. Don't agree with me? How about another example, check where Boomkins are on these lists and yet they pump hard by simply pressing one button. And don't even bother typing like "lol that guild must be horrible then" when all of us are running with full/mix of 25 naxx + 10 man ulduar + 25 man ulduar pieces we've collected.

[@Banana_Cognac]

I'm not too mad. My ret paladin is my 2nd alt's OS, and I know it's just there for utility. It's still fun to play. If I cared about topping meters, I would have rolled a lock or rogue, the 2 classes I hate playing the most. To each their own

[@TastyScotch]

Best ss i saw was the ret paladin on maexxna parsing 100 but still doing less dps than the DK’s gargoyle alone. This is fine, right? 😂

[@bobthydead]

No guild worth a damn is funneling gear into their highest DPS. That is literally the WORST way of doing loot council, and rather you are a ret paladin or not, you need to get the hell out of there anyway.

[@paulmcf1115]

Make all tier 4 set bonus for ret be the ICC tier set bonus if its balanced around it

[@Huhgundai399]

I’ll sum up this video. “Tips for ret paladins: make sure to have a raid spot.” Yeah thanks again, metagoblin, for the great advice

[@edwardpost5971]

I play Ret in my raid team, I do have to work to stay at the middle of the pack in dps and some fights I just won't be above 12 depending on the situation for a 25 man roster. It is nice though in my case as my only real competition for gear is our one dps warrior. I made sure to try and stick with Plate dps gear instead of some of the better leather options as there was less people rolling. I eventually got all but 2 piece BIS for phase 1 and only really waited on my weapon as we had terrible luck with the Betrayer. Our guild also uses ThatsMyBIS for our loot system and it saves a lot of headaches.

[@vXCozmoz]

So you're below 12th place as Ret. You got some work/gearing/learning ahead of you. Our Ret pala was 2nd in totla dmg done in our last Ulduar 25 man. All these class tier list are just bs. Check my own post on all this and feel free to comment. I will reply if it's under constructive critisism.

[@tacohitman4003]

Reroll. First bit was right lol cheers bro better yet go Prot

[@Set8060]

I got in a good speed run guild a month or two ago on my Ret. I got an officer rank due to my great performance. Got a guaranteed spot and possibly shadowmourne later. I’m lucky though

[@mowgaz3439]

gz u made it in life

[@eqalyaa]

PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME THE ADDON HE USES FOR PROCS THE GOLDEN GLOWING ONES

[@pitbulls55]

I Guess it depends on how you play ret I’m a jc and eng on mine full P1 BIS gear pulling 6k plus dps

[@MichaelWilson-cx1hh]

So when does Ret get good? ICC? I'm main prot but the need for tanks is situational, I was wanting to go DPS offspec

[@liamparkos7830]

T10 when you get the best set bonus in the game

[@apocx4290]

on original release I played in a server first for ICC and we took 2 ret paladins on 25 if memory serves me, 1 on 10 man. Vital class if you know how to play. No idea why youtubers focus so much on 500-1kdps as opposed to saving multiple people from dying and doing a plethora of other things. few silly comments made in this video for me; but I guess you are right in a sense that you most likely wont sit right at the top.

[@toallcameone3325]

Well, jokes on you all, I have Smourne prio

[@MetaGoblin]

This has to be the most delusional comment I've ever seen in my comment section after 10 years of being a KZbinr 🤣You bring a different meaning to the word "hopium". You won't even have prio on your tier 10 2 set bonus sunshine.

[@seasonalserotonin2559]

I think it was a joke? 🤣

[@MetaGoblin]

@@seasonalserotonin2559 has to be but the wow community rarely has a sense of humour

[@Sn4t3r]

@@MetaGoblin The only delusional person I see here is you my friend

[@MetaGoblin]

@Alooof23 what on earth are you talking about?

[@olfan92]

Was that your paladin on warmane or some other private server? pretty sure theres no glorenzelg's in classic 😂

[@MrBrownsugar85]

lol loot council=socially acceptable ninja looting

[@alecaboss1073]

one of my friends ret paladin claims he is consistenly at 4k dps at H+ single target encounters, and he is NAX geared, is this story true? because I'm also NAX geared and I'm toping 2.7-2.8k as ret.

[@batmanwayne2433]

Blizzard just needs buff ret pallys

[@nicholasheath2473]

ret is bout to be better then warlocks

[@PauloZionlight]

haha ret's having a hard time...whats ur thoughts about fury warriors for phase 2 ??

[@user-es8ss4ur9p]

“Reroll unholy DK” 😂😂

[@EQOAnostalgia]

My advice, uninistall and go play Era, or roll a Rogue and start again.

[@outlaw0ftorn]

I raid Ret with OS prot. Im full P1 bis minus leather pieces because I refuse to wear them for a small dps buff. Im pretty good at playing the support role while putting out respectable dps. That being said I was left out of the 2 10 man groups simply because they were formed with top damage and class make up in mind. To be honest I think that is more of an elitist move as Ret brings so many other abilities to the table that it really isn't going to hurt anything to have one except maybe time to kill. That being said, Ive also seen 10 man raid teams asking specifically for a ret paladin. You just have to get in where you fit in.

[@heatrayzvideo3007]

Well I've wasted time leveling ret might as well go prot

[@eilert1994]

Well, Preg paladin is crazy Good in arena tho.

[@nastynotch8314]

Wait till you get 4 pc T10… they will be gargling for you in ICC

[@frankierivera7747]

Super depressing! Guess I will just be a healer 😢

[@user-yd4dn6wt2b]

This is a weak take at best, by your logic Warrs shouldn’t be in raid either, like at all. Any decent Ret knows right now raids only need 1 for utility and accept lower loot prio in this phase.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

pass

[@dunames614]

Ret paladin pay for raid spot with gold lol

[@begerbingchilling]

Ret is in such a bad spot, and it will not get any better unless they get looked at by blizzard. In ulduar they will struggle to be even C tier dps and its only gonna get worse unless they get some buff to their damage

[@AdolfTrumpler]

They are the only D tier in Uld

[@ariansh_pw8169]

the bald guy doesnt like ret and thats all

[@nolanlipscomb9962]

rolls unholy dk so his pets do all his damage loll

[@M00nJuice]

Sorry boys. ret is just the worst dps in the game until ICC and even then it's mediocre still. you were lied too WoTLK ret was never good

[@BuddAyye]

lol this didn't age well.

[@Jed89Crofam]

Ayo first comment XD

[@ugo7267]

Metagoblin video are always useless, you learn nothing, but you have nice content nice voice nice montage but it's empy inside. boring...

[@Trickypokerzx]

ret Paladins are just a waste of dps. The bring some utility, but they use that as an excuse to take loot from melee and ranged classes who are out performing them. imagine loosing bis pieces to prove a point that they can barely do 6k dps rets should IMO be funneled loot after all the importan classes on the tier list have recived their loot first. even if you manage to end up on the damage meter some where in top 5 your the top 1% doesn’t mean you deserve any bis pieces as opppesed to a class that’s going to scale way beyond a ret ever could.

[@Knife1437]

Lets be real most ret paladins are D*** heads. In Vanilla and TBC I was not in a single guild where we did not go through a new ret every second month. What's worse is how salty they are in PvP and it's even worse in LK. It's always Ret Paladins who sit there and teabag you as if they're revelling in the fact that they have to use Bubble and LoH to win a 1v1. Sorry but not sorry from an original Paladin player vanilla-lk. Leave them in the bin where they belong. Salty Prot and Holy Paladins are only one step better than Rets too. I dunno just always met nothing but terrible human beings playing Rets in particular. Most decent Rets re-rolled DKs anyways.

[@jacobkeller9478]

So you're saying you don't use cds in pvp ? Or are you mad there cds actually win fights ?

[@Tijuanabill]

Show us on the doll where the holy warrior touched you.

[@jacobkeller9478]

Also sounds like a lack of DPS on your part. Pallies can't bubble and loh without a minute debuff falling off.

[@simonradev408]

It's absolutely ridiculous to assume someone is a d*** head just because he plays that class xD

[@spaceorbison]

God damn I hate people who play ret paladin.

[@jorgerios1473]

Delete your ret pally and reroll a warlock