My Idea Didn't Work Out As I Had Planned!!!!

[@markabell3179]

Glad you are going to have some part time help, especially in the woods. the unexpected can always happen and without someone with you it could be tragic. Love your videos.

[@noahman27]

Bless those horses. Listening to you so carefully. Understanding what to do. It always moves me. (No pun intended hehehe)

[@bladewiper]

I think you did fine for your first two trips. your learning what don't work. Even if it isn't any faster, it is easier on the horses, and that's worth something.

[@billpearson6569]

I watch you show very often . New Brunswick Canada

[@leopillay3690]

Keep on trying Jim , your idea has alot of benefits, there won't be much load on the horses, the less the surface area dragging on the ground the less the friction , the turn around time will be much quicker ...work on it you should come up with a perfect design and solution...

[@MissSherry]

Great TEAMWORK!! I’m 63, was raised on a farm, Dad didn’t have horses but he did have 4 kids ☺️ he had us push a tractor into our pole barn (we built) because he wanted to save gas! We raised, cattle, pigs, chickens.. picked field corn by hand first year on the farm, put up shocks one year, that made our local newspaper, to say it was a working farm I’d say yes, Dad said it was a hobby, he was a drywall hanger and finisher, us 4 kids grew up learning a lot! Dad built our Tri level home also, we are blessed to still have the farm. I’m wondering how old you are? Were you raised on a farm? Siblings? Thanks for sharing your life and oh what a wonderful neighbor!!💗

[@nebbindog6126]

Child labor/save gas sounds like something my dad would conclude. Depression/war era/Korean vet dad could get the tough on!

[@deernutOO]

Looks like fun time. The basic idea is great.. keep poking at it and you will have it working great! My 2cents would be an individual choker chain for each log hooked to a ring/hook up at where the wagon cart is hooked to the cart. Then the pivot point is clear of stress from logs when turning. And narrow the wagon cart axle as now it is too wide. Plus a tire protector bar in front of the wagon tires.

[@bcnewfie494]

not sure if anyone else mentioned this but we used angle iron with teeth cut into it and bolted it to our front bunks on our firewoood sleighs helped with keeping it in place going up and down enbankments

[@gunter446]

It's like Thomas Edison once said, "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways it won't work." Great video

[@nebbindog6126]

Great quote.

[@williamwaha3193]

If your not failing that means you aren't trying . No one tries to fail they try to succeed but you will learn more from your failures than you will learn from your successes . It is all part of the learning process , keep up the good work ...

[@MrVailtown]

New ideas take time & adjustment, you'll get it.

[@woodchuck1946]

Knowing Jim, he'll figure it out pretty quick! It's a good idea.

[@randolphbutler1832]

Jim always thinking. Great to have good neighbors to step up for part time. Twelve minutes to harness is three minutes per horse! WOW! Thanks for sharing. 🐴🐴😷👍

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Absolutely

[@rncrallypics]

Great video Jim. It's good to have help out there is the woods. He is doing a great Job on the Camera as well. Well done.

[@steveadams99708]

Great video. Wonderful that you are willing to try new things. Nice also that you have some help when you need him.

[@mervjb809]

Looks like you got a good hire! Horseman, welder, videographer you name it! A chain binder might be a good idea. That's what I use on my sled to pull logs out. A binder gets a good bite into the log

[@Richard-ml1te]

I made the same type of wheel system but I put a swivel bunk on it. And chained to the bunk it worked well doubled the load with less power

[@scruffy6151]

Make a pin style tongue and get rid of the clevis will help for backing up also.

[@constantisalvador]

Hi Jim, the idea is good. The only thing that if you put another axle in the central part of the trunks, as the trucks with trailers that transport the trees carry, you still don't have to stop so many times. It's just an idea. Cheers,

[@dannyboy7086]

don't give up. I like the wagon axle idea, less pressure on the horses and trails. I think skidding tongs might help. Keep thinking outside the box. Dragging the logs just on the trail will eat thru anything that was frozen and get you back to squishy stuff. Go Jim GO

[@Whipple1]

Hello Jim! I applaud you on trying out a new way to skid logs out. 👍🐴 I’m the guy who emailed you the pictures of my ATV logging arch last week. I think you are on to something when you reduce friction and the tendency for logs to roll around on their chains and dig into roots and the ground. With the nerf bars that I welded in front of the wheels on my logging arch, it keeps the arch traveling down the skid trail and won’t let you get hung up. You literally bounce off of trees. Give me a call some evening. I’d like to discuss some other ideas I have seen used around here for skidding logs. “Go Devils” and other unique ways to reduce friction and keep the logs moving over rough, stony, frozen or root strewn haul roads. Cheers! Whipple

[@walterjeffrey6349]

I like your videos very much and think the extra cart will work great and be alot easier on the horses. You will get the bugs worked out of it. Hang in there.

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks 👍

[@kemplarry7]

Sir thank you for the videos I really enjoy them I love seeing you work with the horses just trial and error I don’t know nothing about horses and foreman that much but I was in the grocery business for about 50 years and it’s the same way it’s trial and air one day at works in the next day at Don so thanks again to you and your family have a blessed day From Fort Worth Texas

[@williamj.barnhartjr.3108]

Put a pivot on that Axle and put a cable tie down on it, I get that would work better than a chain or strap best of luck to you, besafe out in those woods alone.

[@mickholroyd2190]

First of all Im jealous of Justin... getting to work n learn with you..but then the commute from Australia every day might be a bit much..lol..great to see you trying new things to make it a bt easier on your horses... too often I see n hear others doing things.." just cause thats how Dad did it n not know why".. Im sure you get what I mean..great video again..keep up the good work..best wishes..

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks Mick, best wishes to you

[@polarlab113]

Hi Jim I was thinking if you weld some steel teeth on the axle beam of your logging arch that might help to hold the logs when you chain them down.something like a serated edge.they don’t need to be super sharp just enough to get a bite.another thing that may help with the skid steer is a grapple to go with the forks.if you’re handling logs a lot it might make things a little less stressful and a touch safer

[@garyarmstrong4597]

I think you solved the problem by pulling the logs with a chain to the main buggy. If you could load the logs onto the trailing buggy would be cost effective also and my mind is thinking thru that by using a jimmy pole of some description where using horses to put the the logs onto the trailing buggy. The jimmy pole would of course need to be fixed to the cart. The jimmy pole is similar to a boom on a crane. The boom moves from the fulcrum point. And the pole can have a pulley system or a fixed hook. I could show by sketches what I mean to make construction. Would need an email address. The only problem I see would be stopping the cart moving when loading.

[@thirzapeevey2395]

Well, it may not have worked out as planned, but it is pulling really easy and your team is staying fresh and not breaking a sweat. When you get the bugs out of it, it will be a great system.

[@plainsimple442]

Jim, Lots of ideas. Have you ever used a single bunk yarding sled and chained the logs to it with a load binder? I used this method with my steer when logging.

[@barrybracegirdle2931]

If we don't try we will never know. Thanks for sharing. From PEI

[@tomberlied7260]

Nice to meet Justin! You’re not the type of man that gives up easily My friend!

[@biddydibdab9180]

I saw a rig on another logging (with horses) channel where the part that holds the front of the logs is actually part of the cart you ride on. It was a cool setup that worked well to keep the front of the logs from digging into the dirt. I wish I knew what channel it was on.

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Yes, I've seen that but have never used one

[@firecaptaintom1977]

Unsuccessful efforts are often great lessons. Our logging job in NW Wisconsin starts next week. Mostly high ground. Even with less cold than normal, the lack of snow has frost deep enough for equipment. 🤞

[@rickyhayes8206]

Looks like something my dad would have come up with when i was a kid on farm. He was always coming up with something to make it easier and faster

[@mountainman1961]

I see what could work Jim!! Take 2 pieces of c channel and mount them on the frame post on a V shape where both sides pivot on the frame post. Notch the c channel to grab into the logs and that should work. I hope that helps my friend!!!! Trial and error!! But that’ll work!!

[@jamesmartin9921]

Hours logging and inovative ideas... These plans take time to work through the links. Sometime I will tell you story about a horse snowplow we built to plow for a plywood operation... Lots of fun.

[@woodsgremlin9995]

This is what I would try. Wrap the chain around the logs with a slip hook behind the axle with the hook on the bottom, run the chain under the axel and hook it to your forecart.

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

That might just work. I know you have a arch for your horses. Have you ever tried anything like this?

[@woodsgremlin9995]

@@WorkingHorsesWithJim When I was a kid we used the front bob of a sleigh. We took the pole off and put a new "roller" between the tips of the runners with a ring in the middle and ran the chain through the ring and hooked directly to the evener. The end of the tree dragging on the ground kept it from sliding up. Going back empty we wood ride on the bolster and didn't care if it slid up because it would stop when it hit the eveners. I was a lot younger then.

[@SWAMPHUNTER644]

I wonder if it would work better if you connected your rear hitch to your drive cart by a sleeve hitch like on a trailer hitch. A round tube hitch would probably work as well as a square tube. If you could figure a way for the rear tube to pivot when the rear tire went over a bump, it would be better. This set up would make the rear tires track the same as the front. It would be more like driving a wagon. I'm not claiming it would work any better, just that it's a possible alternative. It may lift your drive cart off the ground a bit.

[@br927]

Nice experimenting! You never know until you try! Experience is the best teacher, and sometimes a harsh one! You crack me up on getting it unstuck from the tree!! Never give up! keep at it, you'll figure it out! It does pull easier!

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks for the encouragement. Will keep working at it

[@billdunn5164]

Jim if you build a arvh with angle iron notched to except chain for suspending the logs and a hand wench for pulling logs to the arch and lifting them in place, three or four logs at a time

[@thirzapeevey2395]

So nice to see someone else who still uses tie stalls. For a working horse who is out exercising daily, they are so far superior to box stalls. The horse is never in contact with its own manure, except the hind feet. It keeps parasites down, and limits infections to the hind feet only. It keeps the horse cleaner, saves bedding and is generally superior for everything except brood stock and sick horses.

[@salmonhunter7414]

I have see logging carts that pivot backwards and when the horses pull it pivots and lifts the logs of the ground to make less drag.

[@fricknjeep]

hi there like watching you with the horses john

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks for watching!

[@davidbalch5096]

I think that you need to make a swivel bunk on top of the wagon rearend so that the logs will not work back and forth on the chains or straps and everything will stay tight

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Maybe, will keep experimenting

[@rodneywager2142]

Yes a saddle that swivels might work

[@warrenklingensmith1241]

You might take a piece of metal and cut a sawtooth pattern weld it on top of the axle.

[@justinallmond3855]

I get what you’re trying to do with the scoot. But I think you would be further ahead, especially since your excavator is out there, to just use your big tandem rear axle wagon. That can take a big load and then you have 6 rubber tires to distribute the load across the trail. All of this is moot if you get some real winter weather and things freeze up hard for you.

[@ericlakota6512]

You should make a high arch for it like the old arch skiders and have small 5t1 force multiplier of corse it wouldent be good with the mini loading inless you make it highenough or retractable its hard to put a vision in words and you can weld a 3/4 plate standing on edge to bite into logs and even give it jaged edge but id realy make it into a log arch with one wench going to 3 hooks make the ach tall enough

[@Stihl4life]

Can't wait for your idea's. I was thinking about if you welded some hooks on your "new" cart and use chain binders to latch logs. But when you get to landing you would still be able to release chains to unhook.

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks, and thanks for the suggestion

[@robbullis5025]

I would do a separate chain to each log. You would probably have hitch each one as you load them. And you could add a chain grab to the back cart so the load keeps the back cart straight.

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

thanks for the suggestion

[@moisebistrian3810]

Ce frumos miar placea să fiu și eu acolo🙋‍♂️

[@calparsons2502]

I think that if you get rid of the clevis and attached the scoot with a pin so it won't wobble back and forth and steer the scoot it would work better.

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe, everything is a trial

[@lalagirl1971]

I love your horses and I want to get a draft. How old are your horses and did you purchase them from an auction? Never sell them even when they are too old. A majority of draft horses end up in slaughter houses. They are wonderful creatures and they deserve a nice retirement as they age. I am hoping to get a draft horse this spring and am hoping I can rescue one from slaughter. Keep the videos coming I love watching your horses and how you farm with them.

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Thanks!

[@markhowes126]

The j style hooks made out of round stock ratchet straps will hook together better than the flat style you have. Although I like the flat style better for fitting thru the stake pockets on flat bed trucks.

[@290wayne]

We all learn from mistakes.., heaven knows I've made plenty.

[@tammybaker8577]

Hopefully it will haul out logs as you want.

[@bjbrown]

Theoretically it should save drag but it seems the extra wheels aren’t worth the trouble. Time wise, two wheels or four and the untangle in the trees? It seemed easier when you just used your basic setup to pull the logs... Thanks again for the video!

[@paultighe3735]

JIM I LIKE THE SINGLE CART MYSELF

[@billbickley3327]

Weld three short chains to the cart with logging grabs drive the grabs in and go

[@jimcraig5208]

I think if you had shorter straps. But the chains would work better. The chains don't stretch like the straps do.

[@dreammauriora9793]

What about spikes on the rail the butts sit on? Or triangle teeth to grip the logs

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

It would be hard to get the logs off of the spikes, but thanks for the suggestion

[@robertkennedy3632]

Hey Jim 👋

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Hello

[@kenhurley4441]

16:00 well,,, now you know why double trailer semi's don't back up. I think it would be a "hoot" to help out for a day or two!

[@billdunn5164]

I have one similar to this that i use and i can pull a 60 ft log with no problem

[@michaelmartineau1373]

Jim weld sum junk saw blade pieces to your bunk. logs should bite on the a prevent slippage

[@gregwright2867]

I’d like to know where Justin got his bush boots from ..... I can’t find any good ones !

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Will ask him and get back to you

[@gregwright2867]

@@WorkingHorsesWithJim Thanks Jim ! Couple of suggestions? Why dont you make the same chain slots on your new back log cradle. You were already trying to chain each one anyway. Also, why not attach a steel ratchet load tightener on either side of the log cradle. That way you can get rid of the ratchet straps. Also, maybe amish steel wheels for it as well and a couple of sizes taller for more stability and you never have to worry about rubbing the tire on a tree and it going flat. Point being, if you get a load on and the tire strikes against a tree and deflates you will have to continue out to the landing with it flat and ruin the rim or worse, it completley ruins the rim and you CANNOT get it off at the landing to change it.... just a couple of thoughts. I watch you each evening after supper after I too get home from bush and park the bush tractor and do my other chores.

[@justincotten9636]

The ones I have are White's I got them online somewhere. They have a pointed toe so if you ride horses they go into the stirrups easier. I also like kenetreck and xtra tuff's. Xtra tuff's are the most comfortable rubber boots I've ever used they make an insulated boot as well. They are a favorite of Alaskan commercial fishermen.

[@bilgeratjim]

Have you got a way figured out to load the contraption with the horses, so you don't have to take the excavator in the bush?

[@bobanmilosevic3897]

Cool. 😎😊👍

[@fernlintner65]

Hi Justin, well like ya said how else are ya gonna learn?

[@robertdonaldson6584]

do your equines ever use blinkers query

[@larry323]

The important thing is you didn't give up!

[@pierrotgretillat9365]

Salut mètre ds dents sur le chariot et mètre les 4 chevaux en ligne tank you vidéo magnifique super

[@lucky_viktorio]

Do you sell any products?

[@kimfleury]

"How-To or How-Not-To" 😂

[@kellyellingson2335]

Chain to cart and taller metal supports on the axle holding the logs???? Just my thought

[@kellyellingson2335]

Or a frame with a bar system the same as your forecart

[@290wayne]

Which team are the best trained?

[@jimputnam2044]

each log with a choker and hooked to trailer. simple we did it for years.

[@klauskarbaumer6302]

I do not see any mistakes here, only problems that came up and were solved; after all, you got those logs out, didn't you, while the pulling was easier for the horses .

[@nebbindog6126]

At least you got the freeze on that trail. Watch "The ULTIMATE Bad At Work Compilation", and realize you've only had a very shallow curve to your learn.

[@sueupham2519]

Double hay,double pay on this day... haha 😂

[@WorkingHorsesWithJim]

Haha

[@scruffy6151]

👍👍

[@pierrotgretillat9365]

C est plus sûr cela

[@moisebistrian3810]

Buni cai merg bine cu caru nu este in regula este pre lung

[@каналваубау]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@каналваубау]

Who you work for

[@woodchuck1946]

Jim works for himself, Brenda and the rest of his family.

[@larrykerr7712]

Get the bugs worked out and it will work fine

[@justinallmond3855]

Parents, even fathers don’t babysit their own kids. They parent and raise them.

[@nebbindog6126]

You can parent and raise, and not be physically in their presence, which sitting implies. Speech policing does seem to stem from intolerance.

[@michaelmartineau1373]

bite on the log

[@peewee.3138]

Lady's getting a little ornery!

[@fion1flatout]

Maybe it's a mare thing. My two mares have been properly skittish this week

[@pocketchange1951]

👍👌🇨🇦❤

[@pierrotgretillat9365]

Et mètre ds pneus neige

[@harveypyke4897]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[@tammybaker8577]

I think your losing time with that extra two wheels.

[@halibut1249]

By raising the front of the logs, Jim is eliminating alot of ground friction, so in theory that should make it easier to drag the logs out and easier on the horses.

[@sionnach541]

Keep the L plates up every day,

[@billdunn5164]

if i have your email address i could send you a pic of mine so you would have an idea of what it looks like