'My Irresistable Ex' is everything WRONG with "Romance" webtoons | Worst Webtoons Ever

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[@Aristolemyheartinapril]

The biggest issue I have with these romances is that very, very, very rarely do they address how toxic the relationships are. I find it ridiculous how lots of decent comics get canned or overly censored over curse words or blood, yet these comics that teach people that it's okay to stalk people, be in a toxic and abusive relationship and have no consequences for these actions can get past these companies so easily. But that's probably because helicopter parents are more likely to buy this garbage than decent comics because they don't want their precious golden child to see a drop of blood or curse words.

[@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434]

Sadly this type of romance story is very abundant now. The editor reject any cursing or bad word, yet in the same time accepting this kind of story that even more dangerous than just light cursing

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

My mom wouldn’t let me read mature comics, but got me the “Action Bible,” a graphic novel that introduced me to divorce, and other mature topics that I would learn in those SAME mature comics.

[@bella_the_arist9804]

Oh it’s frustrating because I know that happened a lot’s of to people comic.

[@EC0191]

"Censored over blood and curse words" also let's not forget... \( • )( • )/

[@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434]

@@EC0191 maybe the curse just light "damn" and the blood just small bruises but the editor reject it anyway. Meanwhile creepy stalker, unhealthily dangerous boyfriend /girlfriend story is accepted quickly

[@giorgiapetrei5421]

From "Komi can't communicate" to "generic comic-book characters can't communicate" 😔

[@FKDart]

True lmaooo

[@TestSubjectCoco]

Daayuuuummmm

[@ImoTubeReal]

At least Komi is special

[@sxatcychan1988]

@@ImoTubeReal That, and the "generic" main character has a very adorkable design.

[@fanatomic24]

At least komi have tadano. a nice and understanding(literally) dude

[@maxe033103]

Seeing the "ugly fat character". Then immediately my mind went. "What if he's a simple salary man, he went to the bar to have a couple of drinks and go back home. But of course he sees the generic protagonist in that downed mood look. Decided to chat a bit and see what's wrong. Then spiral to the ex husband being treated like the creepy stalker as he is as an antagonist while we have wholesome friendship between not that handsome and little old salary man and a young beautiful celebrity." I'd rather read that than whatever this is.

[@janinebelleestrada7096]

He needs to be isekaid and reincarnated into a hot man like all isekai ever

[@memememe609]

This is a problem with anime in general, all the background characters are fat abd ugly and have glasses for some reason

[@ToscaTee]

@@janinebelleestrada7096 lookism but bad

[@BlueHairedYaoi]

And because he's drunk he accidentally said some stupid stuff.

[@mauersegler]

As a young girl btw I can relate to this situation. Having around ANY drunk jerk who's trying to pick you up is uncomfortable and sometimes even terrifying. The worst part is, you want to be polite and at the same time don't want them to start a fuss about HOW DARE YOU REJECT ME YOU LITTLE BRAT and stuff. So you just sit there and desperately seek ways to escape.

[@corenlavolpe6143]

It's pretty ghoulish to target impressionable kids with unhealthy relationship stories and market them as glamorous and desirable. Messing up girls' expectations early, hooray...

[@cyberia1998]

No wonder people these days are so awful.

[@knox7945]

Fanfictions seems to do that a lot.

[@BiBiren]

As much I like Romantic stories-- even problematic ones mind you, there is still no way I would want to emulate it in real life. Stalker or possesive characters may sound entertaining in paper, but way too uncomfortable if it were happen to me. I always think about reality after reading or watching fiction. Of course that doesn't excuse bad writing.

[@henrywong668]

Something about how p××n messes up little kids and society (except some weirdos) try to keep it away from them. Products aimed at a young female audience doesn't have the same scrutiny

[@markjacobs3232]

Twilight before that, etc etc. also it goes both ways, but yeah from what I’ve seen it seems these are more marketed towards women.

[@mafuyutism]

If this man hates this manhwa, I can only _imagine_ how he'll react to Rent-A-Girlfriend. I think he'd implode.

[@fallenlegend8888]

Nah he'll love it because 🇯🇵

[@fanatomic24]

@@fallenlegend8888 no dude i think even the Japanese people hate that. Its impossible to love that

[@eatatjoes6751]

@@fanatomic24 Wait, even the Japanese hate Rent-A-Girlfriend and think it's creepy?

[@fanatomic24]

@@eatatjoes6751 i just said " i think". Because its not getting much praise as other shows, the plot is going nowhere and every anime youtuber is makes fun of it including the trash taste boys and its been pretty long since I've heard a good thing about it on the internet. Its pretty clear that most people just watch/read it to laugh at it

[@fanatomic24]

@@sugarzblossom8168 true but the authors won't get any fun being a mangaka because people only read it to laugh at it. I mean you get the money but thats all. Good stuff like jojo inspire new manga like demon slayer and yugioh, have reference all over media and people love it. One of the best parts of being a artist is seening your work get recognition and seeing it impact people. And trash will be forgotten when even bigger trash comes. If we are talking about romance, manga like komi-san still going dispite being 350+ chapters and people still like it because its nice and wholesome. But rent girlfriend only only get discussion when somthing like THAT GODDAMED NTR CHAPTER comes out.

[@topcat59]

Honestly I’m amazed that her EX husband that is now a stalker has yet to be arrested, because by now people would notice a strange dude falling the so-called perfect woman around but I guess she isn’t perfect enough for people care about that.🤨🐱

[@azureascendant994]

It would make sense if her ex is a government 007 agent. It would explain everything about his absence and stalker tendencies. Yet again I don't believe this writer has this amount of creativity.

[@bluebeka2458]

In a way the stalking would make more sense if it was about the influence of the media. Like they could portray a very media related relationship, to the point where they would do anything for the attention. That could work as a reasson why he left her, it could be a excuse that she felt from the eyes of the media. Sothat would make him to find someone more famous to date because he may become less famous if he stayed. It could be from different reassons: His agent would force him to do it, since he had falled lower on the famous people scale as well. Or he was that shallow and did it for his image. Or he was the one that was getting more drama for the media. Or maybe that he took the blame for something that she did to make her less famous. I mean see? You can elaborate on that further. And it can even be a story around it that maybe would make it interesting. Maybe adding some twists to decive the public for the real reasson why he is stalking her or why he left to make it more interesting. Idk.

[@godzillagamer7512]

In reality, stalkers are not taken seriously by law… At all, look at i think… amouranths stalker? Who sat at a Starbucks for months live streaming and the police did nothing?

[@lovelycloudyskies]

@@Wandasolosurfavs Pretty sure you’d be terrified that a random person is following you wherever you go. You don’t know what his intentions are, so you can’t say “I wOuLdN’t cAlL tHe pOlIcE oN hIm.”

[@라라라라라라라라-m6d]

As a Korean guy who used to read webtoons, I must say you're right about current webtoons being literal cookie cutters Back in 2012, webtoon was something more like a platform for every genre, from comedy to badass action. But as time passed, many authors left the platform, or lost their charms due to dragging their own works to oblivion And now these kinds of trash-taste romance webtoons are what we only get. Platforms are only advertising these kinds of comics to the public, which makes more authors to create more cookie cutter romance. To target their demographics, either immature/young female readers, or ladies in their 30s who are desperate for any kind of love relationship Hell, old school Korean webtoon fans hate these too. They know what made webtoons so entertaining in the early days, so seeing these cookie cutter comics only make them cringe

[@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434]

So ironic. Now my expectation if webtoon was a place for wild idea was destroyed by this.. a creepy romance story that even become so numerous

[@epiphany8429]

I now use Webtoons as only a recommendations list. If I see something I like I subscribe and go read it somewhere else. It's also frustrating as it's grown increasingly woke so that anyone who writes about gay or trans characters are whatever gets pushed to the very forefront, while actually good works get shoved to the back because they're not "progressive enough". Like I don't care what you identify as or whatever, and good on you for making art, but the business policy of Webtoons is shameful that they would use this propaganda to promote stuff.

[@LACHRYMA]

ive seen a lot of good canvas comics that are thrown to oblivion and well made originals that r cut short to make room for these god awful romances :(

[@bmona7550]

I usually stick to the OG webtoon stories (those made before 2020). If not usually from authors who I read a webtoon from them before and liked. The only good ones that I really like made after 2020 is After School Lessons from Unripe Apples, Daily JoJo and How to Become a Dragon (came during 2020 but whatever). All three are authors of OG webtoons..

[@chickofmusic001]

It’s so sad to see only one genre being popular right now…when I discovered webtoon I eagerly read “Girls of the Wild’s” that dice webtoon. There are some gems like “Odd girl out”, “Romance punch” and “Cursed princess club” but sadly if it isn’t a typical fantasy romance and actually talks about social issues like bullying or being ugly, it doesn’t attract enough readers 🙁🙁 Please read odd girl out, it’s so good. It’s about slice of life and friendship 🤝

[@nelloed]

even though i'm korean, i find it annoying that all the things you mentioned in the video are common in mainstream media. i don't like the fact a lot of creators seem to only care about getting the attention/love the (clearly) young target audience will give because of the romanticizing of toxic traits so many comics like these perpetuate and seemingly not care about telling a good story. it's so tiring to see, to the point where i stopped reading webtoon at all

[@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434]

Now likely unexpected but coherent plot and realistic likeable characters are unimportant for recent webtoon author. Instead they choose cringe love story that reaching psychopathic level and jerkass but cool character, because many people like it and possibly for fuelling author fetish toward his/her OC

[@silvertrees6421]

And this is the reason all the webtoons Im reading are the ones from 2018. The time where romance wasn’t everything in webtoon.

[@vectory674]

I don't read romance webtoons generally. I did read one or two who don't have the problems he mentioned. But I do agree that some romance webtoons have very bad lessons to teach to their audiences. True Beauty I don't even understand why people found this interesting for example.

[@msk-qp6fn]

The more recent ones are plain out awful and makes me brain dead. It's like the basic requirement for writers and artists has decreased since 2017 or so.

[@Felony10]

​@@vectory674 Fr I had THE most horrified expression when one of my classmates said and I quote, "OMG True Beauty is FUCKING AMAZING" I think she said more good things abt it but the former statement made me go kinda braindead for a moment lol

[@ChaosoneX]

The eternal shame to this story is, there are women who want exactly this kind of reaction from their man in real life. I've seen TikToks of women saying almost word for word, "If I block you, you' make another account and try again." These women WANT the man to be OBSESSED over them. They want them to show up at their house, their job, if they reject/block them. She wants bro to be literal stalkers, and I'm not entirely sure if it's solely for the ego boost, or they just want the man to be incapable of living without her before she forgives him for making her that mad.

[@BiBiren]

Sad thing is... It is already happening in Twitter. I read this on one tweet where there is this one girl who rejected a guy but cries when he moves on and dates another girl. She really thinks that guy will chase after her lol. The comments hilariously spams L on her and W on the guy.

[@teruhashipleasenocrimefav5815]

daddy issues. they don't want to think that they'll leave you for whatever reason

[@Nu_Wen]

i will never truly 100% understand this expectation. when you say no, it should mean no. you shouldn't be expecting people to chase you or reject your rejection.

[@SweetOrangeGirl]

“Ugly” stalker: *exists* Girls: Ew, get away! “Handsome” stalker: *exists* Girls: OMG, he’s perfect! This is not aimed at all girls, by the way. But it is annoying when double standards like this happen.

[@aizichi]

fr, no matter how handsome u may be, that still ain't an excuse to do bad shit. sure, u can like a character for their looks, but condoning their action just cuz of that is bs

[@dylanmccoy3243]

Female Stalker: *exists* Girls: YAASSS QUEEN

[@j__-]

More Double Standards: Boy stalks girl "HAIL NO! Someone call the cops!" Girl stalks boy "Aw they're perfect for each other"

[@godzillagamer7512]

@@j__- Male:*flirts riskily with female* Girl:”PERV!” Female:*”assaults” a male* Girl:”slllayyyyy!”

[@lovelycloudyskies]

@@godzillagamer7512 Captain Marvel: *assaults a man and stole his bike just because he asked her to smile, when she could’ve ignored him, claims to be a superhero* Misandrist Pinterest Girls: oMg wHaT a gIrLbOsS Girls with common sense: That’s aggravated assault!

[@lilbard3100]

I agree with the art style complaints, Of course it takes so much effort and time to learn how to draw. But these art styles are so main stream and, to me, they’re so unrealistic and “flawless” that it makes me kinda angry. Draw wrinkles!!! Draw different body types!! Draw different faces ToT It’s almost like the artists are afraid to make or draw something that is not considered pretty :,>

[@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434]

They just look like carbon copy of each other. So is that universe is filled with cloned people?

[@ali32bit42]

i second that. as an artist i can say that contrast always matters. for your "cute" character to look cute, you cant have everyone else be at the exact same level of maximum cuteness . your brain is seeing the story from the context of the visuals and world so when it sees cuteness everywhere instead of just the character that is supposed to be extra "cute" then all of your words loose weight. calling someone in the story "ugly" wont matter either since they already look the same as the other characters. it also creates a subtle uncanny effect of samyness and makes your work much less memrable . in general contrast can always spice up artworks, contrast of tone , contrast of color pallate, contrast of bodytypes and character designs as well as contrast of backgrounds. allow uglyness and maturity into your work, dont let things happen with no conflict or struggle or change, and dont create conflict because you want conflict where there would be non either. it all boils down to how much discipline you have as the artist or writer to do things you may not enjoy to achieve a higher quality work with realistic imperfections within the context of the art or story .

[@avidbreather6539]

I think the way they portray "ugly" people can also be a reflection of how korean society treats unattractive people or people who dont fit the kpop idol image. Not saying that is why they drew the drunk guy that way, just me speculating on how the artist or writer unconsciously projects these views onto their work.

[@9ightdreamer]

In my art style, I tend to give wrinkles to older people and luckily I've started practicing body times and the faces I create look a bit more like the intentional age. And of course the art style looks impressive but I don't know how to describe it but I see what you mean.

[@ThatOneDoomerNeco]

That's kind of defeats the purpose of manhwa because the only reason manhwa artstyle exists is to be pretty

[@orangejuicey9789]

Webtoons is basically a Wattpad with pictures.

[@chayeahpuddin]

HAHAHA TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!!

[@noxturne16]

the fact webtoon and wattpad actually joined companies, so many things are the site are garbage now

[@MiKi-sx3tt]

My main complaint: why everyone has to be sooo perfect? With perfect body, light skin and prefect face? And if it's male, he's wealthy and good at fight. If it's female, everyone love her from the CEO to the bodyguard. And we know the slightest deviation from it, is a sign of "the villain" or jealous henchmen. This whole copy-paste Webtoon production, honestly reminds me of how they handle the KPop industry too. Many cookie cutter group pumped out every day, with similar style, visual, and music.

[@Kei-gk6yn]

It is just me that I’ve been seeing a lotta manhwa(s) with “villian” ,”villainess” in the titles these days? Just the title itself turn me off bad sesh

[@ArtisanAsteroid]

@@schabowy6149 It’s not the appearances of characters that get to me,more the idea that to be a worthwhile part of the cast that gets anything good they must look a certain way.

[@elderliddle2733]

Because that’s how Mary Sues work. As Literature Devil put it, the measure of the Mary Sue’s morality or righteousness is her beauty. Any female that isn’t beautiful is either not the lead or evil.

[@muddashucka9743]

@@elderliddle2733 such as the sympathetic/tragic villain/antihero

[@alexisaguirre5526]

And destroying someone life if they do something wrong to her/him (depending on if it is straight or bl) it's ok and applauded, forget to mention that said thing was allowed it first by the male lead who is the richest men in Korea a cheabol and ceo of a tech company

[@ehimemaidumu]

If you think this is bad, go and read "the newlywed diary of a witch and a dragon." The romance is all kinds of messed up.

[@CrazyGamebino]

if its anything like the p game i played a while ago i can guess with some good certainty how screwed up that one gets

[@serafine666]

Thank you, I will. Seriously, reading digitally drawn shovel ware is a form of recreation for me.

[@corenlavolpe6143]

Yeah I legit had to drop it because it was so fucking creepy

[@user-zs9ux1ru8u]

What's it about

[@NoahGooder]

from the title alone this sounds like a fun-ish furry romp. but usually these things end badly.

[@maf7742]

I've worked in this industry and actually been able to sustain myself off it, but it's so plastic and exploitative I ended up leaving after a bit mor than a year. In the past, I feel like webcomics were a breath of fresh air because those who made them did so out of genuine passion/creativity, but as with everything related to art lately, it has devolved into a machine that mass-produces low quality, low effort cash grabs no one will care about or remember in a few months' time. To be an artist is no dream job. Unless, as though it is with everything, you know the right people/are extremely lucky, that idea you've been working on your whole life may go nowhere. No matter how amazing you think it is, something very similar has been done before, but I think that's the key phrase--it's not exactly the same. It'll never be, because we're all individuals, and even if we share 99% of our DNA, 1% is different, and even if we all wake up to work and dream and then go back to sleep, our thoughts and experiences are unique. The thing is, the industry really doubles down on that 99%. It'll try its very best to tell you your idea isn't worth sharing because 'it's been done before and better' so you're better off doing what's profittable. It tells you to stop trying because success is not what makes you happy but what makes you money, makes THEM money. Thus, your art quirks get turned into flaws, your ideas systematically withered, until one day you end up with toxic love story no.869464, thinking you've made it as though you're any better than a robot assembling parts at a factory. It's vile, but it happens to a lot of people. Some of them say they just want the money, that they're doing it because it's 'fun', yet almost invariably, they'll have that one idea that got them there in the first place and which they try hard to forget, writing it off as 'childish' or 'too out there' or 'not good enough'. Do they really think that, or are they echoing somebody else? Is that echo reflected in those soulless comics meant to be consumed and then forgotten like fast food? Sometimes I remember an acquaintance whose dream project involved cyborg girls fighting in a steampunk setting, who'd endlessly doodle his characters and rant to a group of small aspiring artists at 4 am about their newest idea (you bet I muted that dumb group chat). He's successful enough to do this full time and constantly brags about buying this or that, but his story has yet to see the light of day. Instead, he mass produces isekai comics full of everything you've seen before, and nothing else. No longer does he talk about his own work, and he usually really dislikes hen people do, saying it brings him unpleasant experiences. The last time I dared to ask about the cyborg story, he just told me it didn't matter anymore. Thing is, if your first story fails to hit it big, your second might, or your third, and so on and so on. It's only if you stop that it becomes impossible to succeed despite being told you're not good enough, because you are. It's depressing to see so many ideas get shelved in favor of... this... and it makes me feel for the authors. Some of these might be popular for some time, but they will be forgotten. How many people can unironically say shit like this is their favorite comic if they're older than 14 and/or read more than four books a year? The things people remember are those childish, out there, not good enough ideas that made it through the machine. Unironically, I think the hardest part of doing this for a living is not achieving visibility, but staying you. It's still a combination of luck, hard effort and connections, but any dumbass can ctrl+v an idea that's been proven time and time again to make money. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if an AI made the script and underpaid, overexploited young artists did the rest. It's all about fitting as many square pegs into a round hole as possible, until the edges eventually erode. Sorry this got so long x_x

[@Ramsey276one]

Thanks for sharing

[@Duhgel]

Beautifully put

[@shiguriyamamo6730]

Good God. I knew industry stuff was shit but didn't know it effected the artist business this much. Considering stuff like jojos and Gantz exists. Always wanted to make stuff similar in creativity to that. Guess it's gonna get alot harder from this.

[@JishinimaTidehoshi]

Cyborg girls fighting in a steampunk setting < sounds more like a porno than a story. Anyway, he could have self-published.

[@shiguriyamamo6730]

@@JishinimaTidehoshi well. To be honest. The main poster kinda does have a point. To be popular in mainstream ya kinda do have to sell your soul a lil. Being unique doesn't really give much of a massive factor into being successful. I mean just look at that angel battle Royale manga that was made by the managka behind death note. It was unique. It wasn't really popular or really great. It's more about luck and connections nowadays. Not really about how good you are as an artist.

[@krugerofcause9048]

Name a worse duo than "Webtoons artists" and "Romance", I'll wait.

[@NoahGooder]

DA artists and sonic inflation.

[@krugerofcause9048]

@@NoahGooder Okay, that took less time than I thought it would.

[@NoahGooder]

@@krugerofcause9048 I didnt want to dump on furries, being one myself, but this one was too good not to share

[@krugerofcause9048]

@@NoahGooder Understandable, and I have no disrespect or hatred to furries. Like every other fandom/group, it has the bad outliers.

[@BlackLightJack.]

Chris-chan and mother zootopia and abortion nostalgia critic and the wall Amy Schumer and being funny Steven Segal and movie

[@traviswittliff6368]

I posted this under the community post announcing the video, but it’s sad to me how decent (dare I say even some good) romance stories on Webtoons (eg. Siren’s Lament, Castle Swimmer, To the Stars and Back, and even a few Canvas works if you dig deep enough) are basically ignored or disregarded just because they happen to be in the same genre as this story or The Fate or other shitty romance comics. There are people out there who can write non-toxic romance and because of the endless amounts of people who can’t, the good stories become victims of an undeserved tie-in with other “romance stories”

[@pen_gui]

I read siren's lament and I must say the ending made me cry in overwhelming emotions I loved it

[@knox7945]

Kinda shows what kind of author they are.

[@melonachii]

i also love a canvas story called "Our omega leadernim" definitely recommend, has a very interesting plot, and it's one of the good abo webcomics on webtoon

[@bbv5490]

I'm glad someone recommended Siren's Lament to me! I wouldn't have found it on my own. I love Lore Olympus as well. Other than those, I wouldn't dare read any romance webtoons.

[@saniyashanavas1671]

I really love " Like wind on a dry branch". The story is so good. It's not a generic historical romance webtoon. Love how the author shows the sufferings of the female lead. And the male lead falling in love is so organic. But I hardly hear anyone talk about it. Definitely recommend it.

[@Tzedakah263]

I remember watching Cinema Therapy's video about Twilight and its romances. The hosts said something that stuck with me: "It's emotional junk food". Basically, it's one thing to read or watch these relationships and live vicariously through the characters, but it's another to idealize it and seek it for oneself. If someone really likes the idea of one's ex coming back for them where "safe drama" takes place (that is, the drama that isn't real), then by all means one can enjoy this. On the other hand, one shouldn't think of this as some sort of ideal and expect this to play out in the real world.

[@sma2840]

I love cinema therapy

[@msk-qp6fn]

Hello fellow cinema therapy fan!!!

[@karenwantsmanager]

Late to this but hello fellow cinema therapy fan 😎

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

The Korean entertainment is like what people who don't like anime think anime is

[@Reye4rif]

They're both bad af 😂

[@misterzygarde6431]

I always had this idea for a story about ex's or divorced couples where it's not that their relationship is deteriorating but more they feel that they're better as friends and downgrade to being roommates. I know it'd be less toxic than this comic.

[@derpydevilolidk]

Now that’s a better story then whatever this webcomic was about

[@nevergonnagiveyouup1180]

I love the idea. If you ever make it please reply the title name so I can read it

[@queenofpents3442]

That sounds like a fascinating dynamic and very awkward as well. I'd read it lol

[@yumeh2960]

That's cool, I actually made a story similar about it. (Although there's a chance they'd eventually get together, who knows) but my two characters are just hanging out realizing after their past break up how well the others doing and finally having closure and maturing from the past. The story ends with the female lead finally able to let go of the past and not pressure herself to fulfill her father's position rather to just do her job cause she likes to and fixes her toxic trait of blaming others just cause she was insecure. As for the male lead he grows from pampering and following the female lead's wishes to finally doing things he wants and had a goal in life abroad. The two had wholesome conversation as friends for the next 2-3 years ^^ sorry, it's a bit long :'vv

[@cakefrosting6451]

Actually it really is a thing in South Korea for the idols, especially the female idols, to be subjected to extreme diets to maintain the slim physique. It’s not a plot line to annoy the more knowledgeable and “normalise” it for impressionable people besides girls, it’s technically… the culture of South Korean idols if you can call that a culture. I once happened across one of those Korean reality shows (my mother is sadly a rabid consumer of certain reality shows and sometimes when there’s nothing better to watch, I have to sit through that.) They did show a certain idol having her meals… a disposable cupful (9oz) of vegetable, half a disposable cupful (roughly 4.5oz) of chicken, and practically nothing else. There’s no carbs. All of that she ate is boiled and steamed. No sauce whatsoever. If there’s a drink its water or those “miracle drinks” where it “helps with slimming down” and what not. Some days they literally just drink a protein shake and call that “a meal”. There’s even one who just eats a very small tub of the plainest yoghurt and a banana and that’s her meal for you. She said her agency actually watches what each girl eats and weighs them routinely. It’s actually a very weird life for South Korean idols, but for them it’s “we’re willing to sacrifice living a normal life for the honourable life of being an idol”. (Also you did your best pronouncing the names really, you did indeed have an almost accurate pronunciation of the ex’s name as “Yun-Jay” While the generic female’s name is pronounced as “E-oon-Soul”)

[@liben5052]

it made me cringe that it was obvious the dude was not being considerate of the cultural differences. like yeah the romance stuff is cringe, but it's no different than how old italian or spanish soap operas liked to ham it up because at the end of the day, it's all about entertainment, not actually getting real life advice out of the stuff. also it's not like japan is free of these things either- it's just that they're not as mainstream in the global market. lots of light novels are power fantasies with equally problematic ideas but it's not meant to be a serious reflection of the culture.

[@Uta_Chandra.H]

Besides entertainment, what's the real message it's trying to address to the viewers?

[@cakefrosting6451]

To try and find the message in this kind of media, there really isn’t one.

[@Kei-gk6yn]

@@Uta_Chandra.H lol I’m waiting for the answer too

[@ToscaTee]

@@liben5052 agreed, he’s right about the webtoon but when he said japanese media has less shit than korean media like bruh… these bad romance stories existed wayy longer from soap operas to housewife novels, it’s everywhere including in japan. It’s obvious the dude hasn’t seen enough good korean stories. Japan may be the veteran but korea’s entertainment industry is catching up.

[@youreverydayneet1444]

Romance webtoon that takes place in fantasy setting are usually worse. Example: Abandoned Empress: ML physically and mentally abused the female protagonist, and eventually killed her in her first life. But don't worry, he's a changed person in the 2nd timeline due to changing circumstances and he's actually not in control of himself due to manipulation and drugs. And they become lovers again. The end.

[@knox7945]

Wait...what!?

[@saycandace1341]

Imagine that happened to Naofumi and Mel from Rise of the Shield Hero Naofumi marrying Mel cause "she's different" in the second timeline

[@aavaron]

I hate this manhwa so much and I want to forget about it

[@HidanoKyoku]

I remember when I first started reading that and being super excited like "YES SHE GETS TO CHANGE HER DESTINY!!! YEEEEEES SHE'S GONNA BE A KNIGHT!!!! YEEEEEEES SHE'S GONNA BE A BAD*** AND LIVE HER LIFE WHILE THE OTHER COUPLE RUINS THEIR OWN LIVES AND-wait.... wait hold on I don't like this sudden change from the male lead... why aren't the other male characters getting her romantic attentio- oh fml nevermind." I could sense where the story was going and just quit 🙄 It was such a good plotline and I got so invested. All that potential, wasted. 😔

[@dapwproductions8630]

This omg I remembered I read this a long time ago hoping she would get together with the red head boy. Only to find out that they axed my ship by getting her back with her asshole abusive ex husband 😭. Like bitch, where was the revenge? Where was the change in destiny??? This is why I refrain from reading only especially romance focused manhwas anymore and searched for things where the MC is actually an evil bish that succeed in her revenge. Like Roxanna from "how to save the female lead's older brother". Dear god, that woman could step on me just from how badass and scary she is.

[@ryanleatigaga7596]

Even the guy who's supposed to look ugly looks like a Ken doll.

[@Lotuz55]

This why I drop so many webtoons, they’re toxic eg. (Romanticising toxic/ abus!ve relationships), plots are often incredibly mundane overall rubbish. If you’re looking for a healthy relationship just read daytime star, the ML is a walking green flag, the romance is overall really wholesome and the art is very nice (tho the ex is a scumbag).

[@bluesoda840]

And the FL do deseve him? Just asking because when its like this, mostly of the FL are so shitty that the they dont deserve the ML😭

[@Lotuz55]

@@bluesoda840 That's not the case, The FL worked hard for nearly a decade and when she finally gets the recognition she deserves you feel really happy for her in the end. They both deserve it tho the FL is rather scared to get into the relationship after her first bf hurt her (mentally).

[@Lotuz55]

@@layalsaleh4103 I've heard of that one. But I'm drowning too much in school work to even look at a webtoon these days (ToT)

[@Bubbleskittymaster]

Personally why I also don't like romances is that that the people in the story are always upper middle class or more. Which is fine but they are really over represented in those stories. Personally I would like to see a romance about 2 working class people that both emotionally hurt and the story is about them helping each other. Also all the men in romance stories are factory built pretty boy. What wrong with having a rugged handsome Male lead why do they need to be carved by God himself everytime they all look the same. Then again I wouldn't consider myself handsome but being handsome isn't all to getting love there needs to be a personality behind the pretty face and good body. But no that would take originality is to hard for people today. Also I have had a crush on a girl but she made it clear she wasn't into me romantically and I haven't gone across the line she drew and I have moved on for the most part.

[@knox7945]

It's the appealing factor that two gorgeous couples needs to be handsome, beautiful, or sexy to gain attraction to audiences. Humans tend to be programmed that way.

[@Bubbleskittymaster]

@@knox7945 fair then again I am not one for doing stuff cause everybody else is doing it. I wanna try to make my own path. I remember a saying of a youtuber that I can't think of the name of "don't be the next avatar be the first your story."

[@knox7945]

@@Bubbleskittymaster yeah. I think deep down, we all want to be doing stuff on our own by breaking the mold, but at the same time we want others to see our work, to see a different perspective. Unfortunately, the majority of people are shallow and stick to what we know and enjoy.

[@Bubbleskittymaster]

@@knox7945 true man. Then again I kinda liked to March to beat of my own drum and my mom doesn't get that and is one of the types to just take all the slaps across the face and do nothing. I am not that type and I have a fuck you kind of assertive attitude and I tend to dig my heels in when I feel like I am not in the wrong like a bulldog. I know I wouldn't make it in entertainment cause I am not the type of person to play down and take it.

[@ezeahrizcalupas6280]

Same as here in fact I'm not into romance though.

[@muddy_muddy]

I just finished editing a video about my negative opinions on Webtoon and am terrified to post it, but dude this makes me feel so much better! Edit: I'm posting it on my channel Matty Bites for anyone who's interested!

[@muddy_muddy]

Also fun fact 64% of the Webtoon user base are females between the ages of 10 and 24, Webtoon is hella peedatory

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

Putting your anxiety aside is the key to making content in a nutshell

[@ginnys.matthias1818]

Ok, so as someone who reads and enjoys fanfiction (which is unmoderated and unaltered by other entities telling you what you should and shouldn't do) I...I mean they're just wrong. I have read like, ten slice of life coffee shop aus of THE ACTUAL SAME CHARACTERS written by different people and saved all of them...and yeah, I like some better than others, but I still LIKE them all. So just remember aspiring comic artists, if you're worried someone has done your concept before...don't. We like having more of what we like. People make Spotify playlists filled with songs from one genre because, amazingly, they like it. So remember, if you have an idea and think you can make it fun and interesting DO it.

[@johnwolfer3239]

This is going to sound like I'm shilling for a manhwa, but that's okay because I think more people need to hear about it. "Another Typical Fantasy Romance". It's almost as if it specifically addresses all the problems you talked about. The male lead is not traditionally handsome. Unlike the soft and serene look a lot go for, he's rugged, strong and heavily scarred. People are not stupid. They're emotionally mature and aware of how others feel. If someone acts like a stupid romance character, they get their shit kicked in like they would in real life. The best part is the relationship between the leads Pellus and Lithera is the healthiest relationship I've seen even including western media. They talk about their problems, set clear boundaries that are respected, and have a clear line of progression in their relationship. Nothing feels contrived or hamfisted. There's a lot more to it, but these are the highlights in my opinion. Again, I know I sound like an add, but it seems relevant considering the video.

[@rechtrecht]

That one is like my comfort Webtoon. The characters actually like each other which is just nice

[@Sinnk_]

Korean > Manhwa [man-wah] Chinese > Manhua [man-hwah] Japanese > Manga This is for anyone who gets confused by this bc I used to as well before I got used to the diffriantation😭

[@shadowdante1102]

To be fair, all media platforms(with a few exceptions) have piles of trash with a few gems. The truth is that webtoon targets female audiences vs say Shonen Jump which targets males. 95% of shonens follow the same damn tropes too. And are also terribly written, but its socially acceptable for them to be trash, but its not socially acceptable for art targeting women to be trash. Its a weird double standard. People want women stories to be more like guy stories, then they shit on them if the story is to much like a guys story. It really feels like a damned if you do damned if you dont situation. Now please understand, i do recognize that most of these stories are trash, and follow stupid tropes, but i dont understand why so much hatred goes towards the womens stories and way less hatred goes to male stories for almost identical crimes. As an example of 'good' stories that are ridiculously predictable, i was able to predict what would happen entire episodes before it did in My Hero Academia. It follows every shonen trope ever, i can even predict when the damn emotional violin is going to start playing. So i guess theres no real point to this comment, its more of a question, why are people so against women enjoying trashy stories that appeal to them? And these stories do appeal to them, Webtoon is making bank. And the argument of 'its giving women unrealistic expectations' is bull, tell that to all the harem/isekai shows. Also, im not saying dont keep tearing trashy stories apart, thats fun. Im just confused by this aspect of society is all. :) Also keep up the great work!!!!

[@jayneb6053]

You put in word what I thought seing this video.

[@ArtisanAsteroid]

I hate both extremes,they’re so bad in surprisingly similar ways.

[@chaitanmallick7339]

@@schabowy6149 i don't remember any female chasing denji, that's the whole plot that he never get to experience healthy relationship. Reze was deployed to capture chainsaw, makima was only interested in chainsaw devil, to the point she never acknowledged denji's existence, power just don't understand human emotions (that time in showers they didn't feel anything).

[@mr.beater2064]

Yes you are the only one who has the point.

[@theroxesgraund6935]

You say it like no one criticizes trash for the male audience. The number of essays on KZbin about why shonen treats women badly (something that there are hardly any about men in shoujo) is quite a lot and every once in a while someone will tell us why Kirito is trash, Isekai is trash and they should die. And of course, every now and then there will be a video about why it's wrong to sexualize women in shonen and isekai and not mention or acknowledge that the opposite is also true.

[@DevilRaptorB]

Korean MAnhwas goes beyond just being similar in art styles, you have no idea how many of them copy the concept of a character (mostly females) being reincarnated, and so many of said incarnation is about being incarnated inside a novel that is set in medieval like world

[@fallenlegend8888]

So no different than Japanese Isekai

[@DevilRaptorB]

@@fallenlegend8888 it's worst then Japanese Isekai, even worst the number of said manhwa isn't even small, creativity is going extinct in Korea

[@fallenlegend8888]

@@DevilRaptorB Crazy how Korean mmo and gacha games has better story than their Manhwas.

[@triggerfairy4070]

So like generic MC kun with OP cheat skill that has a paint by number harem of loli,tsundere,idiot,little sister,older sister/mother

[@MangoPop]

@@DevilRaptorB it's pretty funny all the female characters are op when reincarnated, everyone accepts thier bullshit in the medieval world knowing full well they would have been burned as a heretic or witch in that time period. Especially the Chinese ones. Ancient China was no joke with their dogma. You would be sent to death and not even understand what you did. That's what breaks the immersion and it's laughable. Why are they acting like American women in ancient China? An American woman would be long dead before they even see an Emperor.

[@EpicSandwich301]

Ok I can bring up my “crazy 12yo stalker” story hell yea Welp I was friend with a guy who was clearly in love with me and a some kind of crazy simp-weeb type of person. When he started to show his “affection” it’s was super uncomfortable and by some miracle he moved from the town. Now, let me tell you this - if he returns and starts stalking me again - I’m calling the cops. I didn’t see much red flags back then (come on, we were like 12-13) but now… HELL NAH EVEN IF HE WILL BE LIKE PERFECT IM NOT TALKING TO HIM. EVER. SO WHY TF WE STILL MAKING STALKING A ROMANTIC THING?????????????? Gives me chills every time I see something like that. Oof disgusting. Stay safe everyone

[@gamesemuitomais2308]

Really like your videos and analisations but some of your jokes towards koreans on this specific video made kinda uncomfortable

[@zigguratZenith]

Shit, I get it. Manhwa isn’t the best. It’s personally a guilty pleasure of mine, but I know it’s garbage. GARBAGE. But you don’t gotta be racist about it lmao, I mean, not racist. But you know what I mean.

[@GMan-bn3tb]

Bro, I've never clicked so damn fast in my life man

[@draketheduelist]

I will not point out any similarities between Eunseol and Makima. I will not point out any similarities between Eunseol and Makima. I will not point out any similarities between Eunseol and- (*suddenly, a blonde doormat shows up*) ...I WAS KIDDING! DAMMIT!

[@cantfindyourboy505]

at least Makima has character

[@saycandace1341]

And Denji is our beloved doormatt character

[@Mellow502]

Eunsol is boring asf while makima is mysterious, smart, big keak, best bae. *laughs at chapter 81-90*

[@chromenjones2373]

Hey... don't bring Makima into this lol compared to her Eunseol can barely be call a character, they ain't even close.

[@Mellow502]

@@chromenjones2373 idk "perfect human being" just makes me wanna smack makima there

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

Black jack back at it again with presenting us some webtoon cringe

[@skookiecat_arts]

I’m the target demographic for these webtoons and I’m kinda insulted by these writers, sometimes I read stuff like wotakoi or Ooh la la, but i’m not gonna read something just cause it’s a romance. I’d rather go re-read Pandora Hearts again and cry till my eyes bleed. Btw the blood crying is a good thing, Pandora Hearts is the best.

[@akarifuyuki9763]

One of my favorite of all time

[@skookiecat_arts]

@Akari Fuyuki I’m glad that someone else here is a Pandora Hearts fan, no one I know has even heard of it. Also I love your pfp💕

[@akarifuyuki9763]

@@skookiecat_arts It's Leo! Unfortunately the anime didn't live up my expectation :(

[@skookiecat_arts]

@Akari Fuyuki Yes, the anime was pretty disappointing, it didn’t do the manga justice. The soundtrack was amazing tho, the violin in the op hurts more every time I hear it.

[@francke5148]

Yes Pandora is indeed the best

[@xivering]

It sucks but u don gotta be racist dude

[@ShhhhhX_X]

Facts 🗣🗣🗣

[@3h33_xy]

Real

[@AmaryInkawult]

It's like it's checking every cliché box as it goes on as if it was collecting Pokemon to fill out it's PokéDex.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

"Moral Scapegoat" huh? I like that, because having to introduce a completely reprehensible person to make the bad person you want the audience to like look better really shows just how poorly written and unlikable the main characters are. It's like the literary equivalent a relatively average looking person hanging out with someone substantially less attractive than them to make themselves seem more attractive by comparison.

[@Ayurici]

While I agree with a lot of the things you pointed out... Man, at least try to keep your racism in check.

[@alexthewolf3179]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE REVIEW "My unexpected wife" IIRC IT IS FULL OF ABUSE AND ITS SOO ROMANTICIZED AND CREEPY AS HELL IM SICK OF IT GETTING 7.8/10 ON BILBILICOMICS

[@BlackLightJack.]

I'll look into it. ✌️

[@BlackLightJack.]

just read the plot synopsis. it gave me cancer.

[@alexthewolf3179]

@@BlackLightJack. please review it, this is absolute TRASH AND THERE'S STRAIGHT UP ADDS ON KZbin OF IT. BILBILICOMICS IS GIVING THIS SHIT MONEY AND ENCOURAGING THIS ABUSIVE COMIC TO KEEP PUMPING OUT CANCER

[@Stressedlemonzest]

As a dumbass preteen girl, even I have my standards and don’t even use webtoon for romance only action cause it’s awful. I hate self inserts let’s get a femc with an actual personality

[@KamikazeChickenWing]

Can we make a thing out of this and send our beloved BLJ horrible plain webtoons for him to review? I would PAY to see him suffer through the shit, I had to witness on webtoon XD Come on, guys! Let´s make it happen! A webtoon for every month ^^V We love you Wolfee *kissyface* Read "The Nuna at my office" booooyy you´ll love this one! XD

[@NoahGooder]

this sounds like the webtoon version of the GTA online tracks that GreyStillPlays must defeat.

[@sanecatlady]

12:07 reminds me of the Killing Stalking fandom, geez. Except the author doesn't romanticize this and the story is actually meant to be read as a thriller/horror

[@Mia-sl6vb]

Omfg the amount of ppl that romanticized Killing Stalking AT FIRST? That was HORRENDOUS (even the author was confused lmao)

[@sugasweet435]

That and Painter of the Night. No amount of horny could get me to gloss over how awful the whole situation was🤦🏾‍♀️ It was just straight depressing after a certain point(as it should be lol)

[@sanecatlady]

@@sugasweet435 Same, I had to stop reading it. I don't know why so many people liked it 😭

[@NeonIn3D]

K Dramas and Webtoons tend to be toxic, but don't compare it to manga. Japanese anime/ manga/ light novels can be equially toxic

[@jamie-rs1ne]

If you think that's bad wait until you see princess's jewels 💀

[@millie1680]

Oh god wtf is that about?

[@jamie-rs1ne]

​@@millie1680 reverse harem, mary sue mc, problematic themes and more (she did one of the male leads DIRTY) I'm surprised it passed censorship 💀

[@sturmtruppen1765]

@@jamie-rs1ne ur dream has come true

[@atlasroyale5294]

I showed this to my girlfriend, she went to read it to judge for herself but it was so unremarkable she just read a completely different web toon instead.

[@kingagrabowska9366]

I created my own vocabulary because I'm tired of people using the phrase ''love triangle'' just because there are 3 people involved. It's more complicated than that. 1) An actual love triangle. When person A is in love with person B but B is in love with person C but C is in love with A. (It can go on for a whole alphabet and all the shapes. Then it would've been a square and so on.) 2) A (cute) angle. When a person can't decide between two possible partners. Those two don't even have to know about each other existence. Usually, the two options are vastly different in terms of their looks, personality, interests, and what the potential relationship dynamic may be like, but they're both objectively good. Just different. 3) A line with a breaking point in the middle. (That's the most popular and what most people mean by ''love triangles''.) Two people are fighting over a person. Depending on the version the person in the middle may try to resolve the conflict by picking the better option, clearly stating whether they are friends or something more, or telling both wannabe lovers to leave. But more often than not the person in the middle is just standing by as the two are fighting, not being able to make up her/his mind, going back and forth, pulling the two simps by their collars. It makes you completely lose any sympathy for this toxic and idiotic character. Besides, most of the time it's pretty obvious who is the endgame so it just feels like a waste of time. It's always A) the first one/main one/more important one, or B) the best friend that was right in front of the MC but didn't notice until now because they're ''just friends''.

[@Xherion]

"A line with breaking point in the middle" or what everyone most called "love triangle" is actually called a love corner which sounds more appropiate.

[@Junodragon6780]

Okay you guys can say K-Drama is trash, but you have to admit its good trash! You KNOW you want a season 2 for one of these shows so you can see if the series burn in a glorious dumpster fire of an ensing or improve with some freaking character development! Edit: To those who have't watch the video, I'm not the one saying K-drama's is trash, heck I have a couple I want to get back into but don't have Netflix. ;-; I'm just saying this in a retorical way for those that don't get the joke.

[@jerusha4jesus]

Idk man generalizing K drama as a whole as shit doesnt sit right with me. Sure theres a lot of trash k dramas, but there are also a lot of trash manwhas, mangas, movies, tv shows, etc.

[@kevincairo8917]

I dont even like nor sit through kdramas but even then, that generalization doesnt sit right with me. But then again, its coming from a weeb whose taste cant even be determined whether or not his favoritr genre was isekai or not.

[@fontana-rosa]

some of them aren't even trash some of them are pretty ... good ??

[@knox7945]

It's like, being in a toxic relationship is a positive outcome. Until they try it IRL and it doesn't work out as intended lol.

[@viktoria_pikovsky]

Wow, Jack was able to get his first sponsor! Congratulations man! Hopefully you would be able to have more sponsors in the future, and not need to rely solely on YTs generosity. Amazing ad read too, btw. Really appreciated the segment of you drawing your avatar, it adds a lot of power to the read. And..... oh, do I suppose to say something about the comic too? Well, eh.......... This is a perfect example of why teens can't write good romance for other teens to read to save their life. The story (and the artstyle too, I must add), rely way too heavily on cliche, with the plot being as contrived as it can possibly go. Even the title is rather uninspired, and doesn't really invokes interest for me to read the story. it's all just a bland forgettable meh of a comic all around, too naïve to interest wine moms to read it, and too troupe heavy to offer anything innovative for the romance obsessed young girls. So is there any surprise that the sponsor ad read got more of my interest and excitement in this video than the main focus webtoon comic itself?

[@leavemealone7159]

I don’t know why grown men are so obsessed with making teenage and pre teen girls seem incompetent, it’s low-key misogynistic.

[@idongesitx1873]

Korea has a high stalking and femicide issue. Webtoons are a reflection of their society and possibly coping and hoping to see the good in their situation. Escaping to a different time, that seems to be better because it’s a different setting but is all the same dynamics of the real world. It’s all a lie and a facade, but no webtoon is going to revolutionize Korea, so you just make the best with what you got

[@ali32bit42]

adding to his points as an artist i can say that contrast always matters. for your "cute" character to look cute, you cant have everyone else be at the exact same level of maximum cuteness . your brain is seeing the story from the context of the visuals and world so when it sees cuteness everywhere instead of just the character that is supposed to be extra "cute" then all of your words loose weight. calling someone in the story "ugly" wont matter either since they already look the same as the other characters. it also creates a subtle uncanny effect of samyness and makes your work much less memrable . in general contrast can always spice up artworks, contrast of tone , contrast of color pallate, contrast of bodytypes and character designs as well as contrast of backgrounds. allow uglyness and maturity into your work, dont let things happen with no conflict or struggle or change, and dont create conflict because you want conflict where there would be non either. it all boils down to how much discipline you have as the artist or writer to do things you may not get gratification from to achieve a higher quality work with realistic imperfections within the context of the art or story .

[@aikotitilai3820]

exactly ! it's difficult to believe hot mc is supposed to be really hot when everyone from the cashier to the top model is hot

[@augustoxymoron3918]

I just used the moral scapegoat analysis in my literature final today because of this video, thanks BlackLightJack! Edit: Got an A!!!

[@becuaseimbored3481]

Do you actually have a problem with webtoon, or do you just hate Korean media?

[@jyogurrz]

Claim your early tickets here 👇

[@michia3765]

🎫

[@personapokemaster8844]

One of these days, I'd like to see a webtoon parody this genre of creepy romantic behavior guised as something it's not, where the author understands that behavior like this isn't acceptable, questioning the moral scapegoats and challenging the status quo. It could be interesting and also show to the teenagers who read this stuff that romanticizing this kind of generic, bare minimum, creepy behavior is not okay. How interesting would it be if a Webtoon, or any piece of media, had a less conventionally attractive male or female lead try and woo the romantic lead but time and time again, he/she keeps rejecting them due to their looks and when the MC tries other ways to impress them, their actions are misunderstood by the creepy usually handsome generic male/female lead and the altercation ensues where the MC is portrayed as the bad guy even though they were just trying to flirt or something. I don't know if any piece of media has done that yet to my knowledge but framing a story like that where the lead realizes that their romantic interest is not who they think they are would be quite unique in my opinion. A story that showcases the creepy and toxic nature of these stereotypical pretty men in a negative light and having the MC learn to overcome their flaws, move past the surface level melodrama and find someone who actually views them as a person and not a piece of meat, would be something fun to read. If anyone knows a story like that, I'd be interested to read it. Loved the video BLJ, keep up the good work and I can't wait to see future videos on the Moral Scapegoat.

[@helloitsphonie]

I swear, if you're a typa guy who interested in reading novels/watch TV shows, you'd have a field day scouting the vast sea of TERRIBLE romance drama from Malaysian authors. The tropes for the past few years are predictable; love-triangles, son/daughter of a CEO, crush on cousin (yup, there's one), parents don't approve your dates, and many more. When I watch K-dramas they're fine, at least the ones where the romance is just sub-plot.

[@nadillasakinah950]

Don’t forget that their crush is their long long sibling!🤣 And they only revealed it at the most crucial time when the two couples were dating!

[@cylexia]

malaysian romance dramas are the bane of my existence 😭😭

[@erchashishaniye]

why does it sound similiar to indonesian tv drama huh i guess the apple does not fall far from the tree

[@asaasssddd]

What's your beef with preteen girls? It's really creepy

[@Snailsnsialsnial._1]

As someone who has been to South Korea many times and is half South Korean, can confirm. Everyone goes to the _same_ store and buys the same how to draw manga book. I have witnessed this phenomenon, every single artist migrates across the country in a huge mob.

[@greenlad821]

Those sharp chins are distracting like geez man it brings flashbacks to Japanese chins

[@eepyinSpring]

I haven't finished the video yet but I just wanted to say thanks for the little rant about art style. I often feel like mine isn't good enough since it looks nothing like those popular webcomics (this one included) or my favorite anime. It makes me happy knowing there are people out there who would actually want to look at my art/comic just because it's a little bit different. Here's hoping I actually make it ❤️

[@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996]

And this is a big reason to why romance is my least favorite genre of storytelling, because when it's botched, it looks something like this comic 😒😒😒 Edit: Also, if unrequited love was on the list, I wonder how BlackLightJack feels about Hanahaki Disease. You know? That fictional disease, popularized mainly in fanfictions, where the person who is feeling unrequited love starts having their crush's favorite flower grow inside their lungs and if the crush doesn't return their feelings, they die? It was a pretty popular fanfic trope at one point, I don't really see it used nowadays so I guess it fell out of popularity with fanfic writers

[@tultsi93]

If I was a pink-haired lady, I would've called a police or hired a bodyguard.

[@Sayuchq]

if u think weebtoon has bad shit, LET ME TELL YOU- about some manhua i read on a random ass site i found. So i was looking for smth to read- a romance. stumbled upon something with a nice cover (i look for nice covers bc i literally cannot read something if i dont like the artstyle) and decide to read it. i was so ``pleasantly`` surprised, when the love intrest was an abusive husband who dosent just abuse the fragile kind uwu guy verbally also psychically + cheating + getting mad over the dumbest shit for some reason, for example the generic hot guy tells the blonde one that he cannot play the piano for some reason?? i either dont remember or there was no reason- and when hes out of the house the blonde finds his dead mothers piano and starts playing it, the black haired one comes back and goes on a rampage for no actual reason and BREAKS the blondes DEAD mothers piano. AND AFTER THAT he still stays with him, and there are even hints of him being inlove???? like what in the hell is that why is the love intrest an abusive guy?? i dont know how it ended bc i literally couldnt bare to read any more but there was an old best friend of the blonde who had a crush on him and literally did everything to cheer him up and istg if i ever decide to come back to this hot flaming garbage..and they dont end up together and they just forgive the weiredly badly written and dumb guy . im writing an angry letter to the creator

[@Xherion]

that story sounds familiar... i think i'm guessing it's a bl and if it is i think i might ever saw it on those shitty ads promoting the comic website by using one of that comic scene of the guy breaking a piano while the uwu boy is crying (it pop out quite a lot back then and i HATED it)

[@Sayuchq]

@@Xherioni never saw those ads but it was a bl so im pretty sure its very possible for it to be this

[@lovelycloudyskies]

Pinterest girls love to romanticize this toxic garbage. They don’t care if it’s toxic as long as it’s gay.

[@Jasovnim3313]

I’m working on my own webtoon/tapas comics and I love watching your videos as examples to avoid while making them. Even as someone who’s not good at writing like myself does some research and look up some videos on how to write this and that but make it unique and what I want but also took some thought on it! It’s not that hard to do research on how romances works and make well written characters! (And I do character designs just to make them stand out and unique!)

[@chaewon7863]

Ive plenty read a lot worse than this one, like that one story with a plot that goes, reincarnating after a life with an abusive partner gets a second choice and still ends up with the same person that was abusive but somehow he was different in that lifetime.

[@millie1680]

AINT NO WAY LMAO 😭 that is so mf bad

[@fruitschinposamuraig7129]

this sounds like "The Abandoned Empress" 😭

[@chaewon7863]

@@fruitschinposamuraig7129 cuz it is 😂

[@fruitschinposamuraig7129]

@@chaewon7863 lolol I knew it 🤣 honestly tho, she can pick the red haired man yet she chose her past abuser

[@fanatomic24]

Actually there is nothing wrong with making a character perfect if you can write somthing like that. Look at sakamoto from I'm sakamoto he is a perfect human done well.sometimes the plot doesn't matter too much if you put Actual effort and writing into it. ONE is a great example, one punch man and mob psycho 100 both are series about OP characters and pretty generic looking plots but both of them managed to be some of the best stories ever written because of ONEs determination and effort.

[@lovelycloudyskies]

I love how Saitama’s bored with his life because of how easy his fights are, but actually gains something from opponents beating him up.

[@elderliddle2733]

“Wait why don’t they just communicate? Why don’t they just explain why he suddenly left and abandoned her?” You severely underestimate the stupidity of modern women. Even adult women get sucked up in crap like this. What draws them in is the “I can fix him” fallacy. Women have a wonderful sense of nurturing, but it can lead to delusional ideas like that. The lie being sold in toxic relationships like this is “look, I fixed him! You can fix your bad boy too!” Now toxicity is expected in relationships because of this lie.

[@cupidity_1255]

As an older-than-preteen girl, I gotta say, I think preteen me would’ve laughed at this crappy writing 💀

[@xivering]

1:58 jungle juice getting the recognition it deserves LETSGOOO its so good

[@kouvhaakash2477]

you make excellent points, but it seems that you are missing the forest for the tree. it's not the webtoons that are ' indoctrinating' girls into liking these kinds of troops. it's the female audience that is asking for these types of stories. you can find the exact same troops in western romance novels. for the exact same reason.

[@goufr3540]

This is why I stick with hentai doujins, they are everything Webtoons has and more plus better. Even if the story is next to none existent in some, they are easy to follow and many are drawn well to.

[@Junodragon6780]

To me, Webtoon should just label their romance sections, dark romance. These kinds of stories show the darker side of romance were toxicity, lies, and betrayal finds its way into ones love life and will mostliky end in tragedy...better yet, tragedy romance is a better title instead. Because that is what the romance section on Webtoon is! 😂

[@missrebel634]

For every squid game there’s ten My irresistible Ex.

[@Lilly_PNG]

As a writer who writes with reoccurring characters and loves writing romance, I have experience writing dumb protagonists girls and hot stalkers. Lemme explain how I do it! Can your main character be a bit of a naive stupid idiot girl in a layer plot with a romance aspect? Sure, just give her depth and personality and don’t make her Y/N or self-insert. Acknowledge that her stupid actions are stupid in narrative, give her flaws. You can have a stalker, but good looks or trauma doesn’t excuse the actions of a bad character! My stalker is explicitly shown in the narrative as a bad dude, he isn’t gonna get the girl at this rate, man. Even if he has a good face, threatening a girl at a knife point just isn’t it, dude.

[@darcronwastaken2]

This is a long time ago, but this is a good example.

[@redman7775]

Why did you make the guy sound like James from Pokemon. It genuinely took me off guard

[@daughter-of-loki1062]

Fuck I wish I could draw so I could make actually good webtoons

[@fallenlegend8888]

You do realise those exists right?

[@chromenjones2373]

While it certainly does help, i really don't think you need good art to tell a good story. If it's a story you believe in, go ahead and tell it, don't let your dreams be dreams or sth

[@ak9k472]

This kind of stuff on Webtoons is why I stick to Sweet Home, BOTD, Urban Animal, and probably good fan fics on Wattpad if I actually find some

[@notquitehuman5097]

16:55 I love that the artist's idea of "ugliness" is having a slightly larger nose.

[@honeybun8823]

I like watching his videos but as a teen girl who used to read this stuff and will on occasion and who draws like this sometimes I feel like I’m being attacked-

[@bouillonpandemonium9270]

That's the internet for you, everyone gets flamed no matter what they do, so just enjoy your craft and don't worry too much about others' oponions

[@acm3047]

So why the husband character couldn't take the main character's wife to the States it would make sense in the manhwa if it had to do with the main character's job and husband's job and they couldn't come to an agreement to starting a new life in a different country or the husband just slowly fell out of love with his wife then to regretting that choice then giving no real reason then I'm moving we should just divorce because drama reason

[@hi-there-]

All the points you made are valid and I completely agree with you. 2 years ago I really loved reading manhwa but recently they've just been spiraling downhill. I feel like the foreign authors in WEBTOON are doing way better and I never understand why sucky romances can be ranked higher than comics with a unique art style and actually good plot. That said, your comments about k-drama and Korean people are kind of... uncalled for. I get that you hate romance manhwa but that doesn't mean all of them are trash. And saying that nobody will care if you butcher names? Damn. And I've never watched k-drama before but the way you talk about them sounds like they're a complete abomination.

[@iamaeggmcmuffinboi839]

The webtoon comics I've seen from ads on KZbin just end up being h entai

[@P-P-Panda]

I love how you say “okay..boys” it reminds me of an older brother trying to get the younger siblings under control or to focus 😂

[@dragonsteamworks6675]

I really don't like Webtoon. Friend of mine wanted me to read Unordinary and that was enough to make me never want that installed on my devices ever again.

[@fallenlegend8888]

Try Omniscient Reader

[@Purple_Penwing]

I'd like to ask what you didn't like about Unordinary? (No hate. Just like to hear a different perspective.)

[@dragonsteamworks6675]

@@Purple_Penwing Honestly I wasn't too fond of John's personality if I recall as I haven't looked at Unordinary in some time. The system of the little school vs school groups was interesting though that I did enjoy. But John? Yeah no, was not a fan of him at all.

[@Purple_Penwing]

​@@dragonsteamworks6675 Ahhh I see. That's interesting to hear as someone who likes John (in terms of how well written he his rather in terms of personality).

[@JPK-o5j]

Jesus, webtoons is like twitter a cesspool

[@cinnibunbun7389]

I think that one of the best KDramas I’ve seen is Familiar Wife. It’s about a husband who believes that his wife is a monster, and is given the chance to go back in time to be with the girl of his dreams. Upon doing so, he realizes the reason why his wife had become so cold was because he had neglected spending any time with her. Well, that’s just a brief summary of it. I really liked it and it made me cry at times.

[@ninaverseninaverse0190]

man if u want read something trully good read castle swimmer. Its rocks. ITS just best comic on webtoon. admired by ppl. hope u ill make video about it♥️

[@stuckfart]

im an avid manhwa reader. there are some good series out there, but the main reason why i read manhwa is because its way better than manhua (chinese manha). if manhwa is dollar store manga, manhua is the scum at the bottom of the barrel. if you want to see what i mean, then i implore you to read "beauty and the beasts," a manhua about a normal human girl who accidenally finds herself in a world full of beast people, and it just so happens that all the male beast people are super handsome dudes and all the women are ugly (of course our special mc is beautiful and keeps getting kidnapped by the mls...). fair warning tho: she does end up laying snake eggs 💀

[@Gallant_Goose]

i think manga, manhwa, and manhuas are bad because they promote non-consent, especially mangas since they promote objectification and pedo culture...

[@gregthehedgehog0956]

Here's hoping the creator of this webcomic doesn't come after you bro, fingers crossed

[@BlackLightJack.]

we'll see!

[@gregthehedgehog0956]

@@BlackLightJack. Yeppers :T

[@greenlad821]

And for some reason the “female” looks like a male so the author doesn’t bother making “her” look like a female

[@yulee3266]

She looks like both in pages

[@NopWorks]

One of the itchiest thing about these webtoons is how the character all look the same. I don't even have a problem with having all characters looking cute or attractive. But why does every main couple in Manhwa look exactly the same. Even bland generic male protagonists in Anime doesn't have this degree of uniformity. Male K-pop stars too, they all look the same - it's like they were built on an assembly line.

[@IReadTooMuchCrap]

Congrats on the sponsor!!! 18:11 This brings me back to my fanfiction days where I could right "bad guys" very well, but I did have the exact same statements made in my reviews regarding my lame 'bad' character lol. 20:47: Love this example of Moral Scapegoat. I remember when you first brought up the term, but I couldn't think of any examples. But this webcomic accidentally provides a great example now. Great video as always!

[@The_Omega_Dragon]

The part where the stalker overfilled the drunk's glass, I would've thought he'd smash him with the empty bottle afterward. But that would've required a merit of reason and actually storytelling skills. Like with the Dragon of NOT Kansai.

[@thatextrovertartist5474]

many of these generic romance manwha webtoons/romance webtoons in general, many of the drama is the ML's bothering the MCs. Very very common, very dumb

[@rachelciel3330]

Back in 2015-2017, Webtoon was THE place to get good 'comics' with variety of genre and new fresh creators dipping their feet in a world of paid comic-making and it was THE BEST time ever! In WebtoonID (Indonesian server of Webtoon), you have line-ups of underdog creators just throwing it down and thriving. The daily/weekly ranking in WebtoonID was colourful in terms of genre. "Slice-of-life" "Fantasy" "Adventure" "Comedy" "Romance", I seem to remember fantasy is purple color-coded and slice-of-life is yellow color-coded. Basically every creator that could uploaded THE update where the episode was booming would reign the ranking and I LOVED it. But it wasn't long until those glorious days fell off and PINK dominated the ranking. ROMANCE ROMANCE ROMANCE! PINK PINK PINK!!! I HATED IT!!! WebtoonEN basically fell off way long before WebtoonID in terms of this romance bs. I seem to find WebtoonEN is full of women/girls audience, hence, the pink domination. Whereas WebtoonID at the time was more balanced with men, women, boys, girls audience, then it's just romance. Everything is Romance. Eventually, I just stopped frequenting Webtoon, even though back then it was basically my daily habit to check webtoon. I only opened it once a week for my favourite story's update (the remnant of the old, sadly very short, glorious era) and when that one is finished, I just stopped frequenting the website.

[@yessssir]

Thank you for pointing this out, toxic relationships and the bare minimum is so romanticized in webtoons. What’s even more messed up is that teenage girls read these manhwas/webtoons and think that it’s completely alright to have unhealthy relationships like this.

[@lovelycloudyskies]

My little sister (who is the target DEMOGRAPHIC for this type of webtoon, 15) wants to watch Maid-Sama again, but I know if I tell her that Usui is a creepy stalker, she’ll just ignore me and say “don’t listen to the internet”, when it’s CLEAR that he knows Misaki’s location every episode.