my journey thru grief...5/24/23. still trying to figure it out...

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Len and Cindy Presley....

Len and Cindy Presley....

Күн бұрын

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@patriciataylor1409
@patriciataylor1409 7 ай бұрын
@greggmilani993
@greggmilani993 8 ай бұрын
Hi Len. Thank you for the great video. You have a calm clarity about you that is rare. It seems to be of God. I'm sorry about your wife. Ive been grieving the loss of my cat Allie. She passed away last month after 15.5 years of being my best friend. It's amazing how deep the grief of losing a pet can be, I cant even imagine what it must be like for you. Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks for the comforting video, and I hope you are doing well.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment, I know, I just lost a long time, friend and pet . My wifes favorite cat lumpy . It hurts , it was a part of her. God bless my friend...❤️‍🩹🕊🙏🏻
@mrplumbingtechrooterservic7086
@mrplumbingtechrooterservic7086 7 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@patriciataylor1409
@patriciataylor1409 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for your lovely videos.
@jessye8068
@jessye8068 11 ай бұрын
My husband passed away of liver cancer 11 months ago. Its been sooo hard but i found you and its helps some i guess married 30 years 🩵
@barbarakyser5505
@barbarakyser5505 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your prayers. I have never experienced this type of pain.
@karenjones7466
@karenjones7466 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful country area for a peaceful walk. Prayers to you and all the viewers.
@thereport4896
@thereport4896 Жыл бұрын
The hardest part of life is when the one who brought you the best memories becomes a memory.
@paintingwithjanonshumpertshill
@paintingwithjanonshumpertshill Ай бұрын
So true.
@anicimarais4703
@anicimarais4703 Жыл бұрын
👋🤗 Hi Len. Nice to see you out and about 😊
@RobertJung-bj3fo
@RobertJung-bj3fo Жыл бұрын
Not easy dealing with all of this love is like this it can make u crazy or it can kill you...after the loss what a ugly road we got to take
@ebonieriley8309
@ebonieriley8309 Жыл бұрын
🙏🙏.... I will keep you in my prayers
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Thank you God bless.. 🙏🕊
@janetslicer3637
@janetslicer3637 Жыл бұрын
Good to see you again Len! My journey has been up and down lately. Just like yours. You are in a pretty part of the country. Take care of yourself and I'll keep praying. ♥️
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Janet. Thank you for prayers.. ❤
@WeepingWidowSueAna
@WeepingWidowSueAna Жыл бұрын
I'm so proud of you my friend. A beautiful walk.. thank you for that. Thank you for keeping me going through this awful valley.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Thank you too for your friendship and prayers. I'm blessed to know you.. 🙏🕊
@LaNereNere
@LaNereNere Жыл бұрын
Virtual hug, Len...🥰
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Thanks 😇
@nancyschaefer9748
@nancyschaefer9748 Жыл бұрын
Very peaceful just right for prayers and contemplation
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Nancy, Thank you God bless.. 🙏🕊
@jonpogue427
@jonpogue427 Жыл бұрын
I'm sending you a hug brother!
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
God bless and keep you close my friend..
@jeanroberts5101
@jeanroberts5101 7 ай бұрын
Hi len heartwarming your video I’m not coping re the passing of my hubby recently. Uncomfortable tears cannot adapt to my new life so lonely thank you for sharing bless you 😂
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 7 ай бұрын
Hello Jean, I'm sorry for the passing of your dear husband and best friend. It is a wound to the heart and soul like few others. I will pray for you, for a strength you will certainly need in the coming days and months and even years. God be with you, In every single little step you take. Thank you for sharing here. It is helpful to all ,self included. 🙏🏻💔☝️
@Kaytha.57
@Kaytha.57 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful view...nature. cute rabbit. Good day!😊
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Kaytha. 🙏🕊
@Kaytha.57
@Kaytha.57 Жыл бұрын
​@lenandcindypresley....4830 hi len, have a blessed memorial weekend. ❤
@patriciataylor1409
@patriciataylor1409 7 ай бұрын
Today is a good day. ❤
@Seeker_of_sense
@Seeker_of_sense Жыл бұрын
You seem to be doing a bit better. I am happy for you. God bless you.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm getting better days now...God bless...
@Seeker_of_sense
@Seeker_of_sense Жыл бұрын
@@lenandcindypresley....4830 Good to know. I am going through the same you are going through.
@cindycrockettbradley5058
@cindycrockettbradley5058 Жыл бұрын
Prayers of agreement with your prayers. Looks peaceful there. God bless.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hi Cindy, good to hear from you. You always lift me up . Thanks for your prayers in faith..for us all...🙏✝️
@cindycrockettbradley5058
@cindycrockettbradley5058 Жыл бұрын
That is such a sweet compliment. Prayers of joy come your way.
@bethlawrence1918
@bethlawrence1918 Жыл бұрын
Len, your videos have been a comfort. I lost Greg last July after many, many years together. I feel the conflicting emotions in your comments. Grief has made me feel like a pinball in the arcade- bouncing from tears to smiles. Thank you and continued progress on your peace journey from New Jersey.
@paulettedukerich2429
@paulettedukerich2429 Жыл бұрын
Hi Len, I am new to following you. My husband Joe died of Pancreatic cancer. It was during the Pandemic. I could only talk to him on the phone. He was a Vietnam vet Army. We were married 45 years. This is hard but God gets me through it. Thank you for sharing.❤
@sherryclingenpeel9304
@sherryclingenpeel9304 Жыл бұрын
Hugs to you
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Paulette. I'm sorry for your great loss. It's hard to imagine just how you must have felt, not being able to be with him during this pandemic. My heart goes out to you.❤️‍🩹 God bless you and yours. GOD bless our veterans. All of them..
@Julian.Castro
@Julian.Castro Жыл бұрын
If I were closer I'd offer to Jam. Music is so healing.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Music is food for the soul. Thanks for your comment, Julian. God bless...🕊
@dianewilliams5271
@dianewilliams5271 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Glad you are getting through. It is a time of life that none of us want to go through, but the Lord helps us day by day.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Amen Diane. Thank you...👍
@ebonieriley8309
@ebonieriley8309 Жыл бұрын
Len I do hope you are ok
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ebonie, I'm doing OK, I hope you are too ... God bless...
@Clara-wo1hg
@Clara-wo1hg Жыл бұрын
Good to see you again Len I just love KZbin you get to share and see others in similar circumstances in life 👍
@patriciataylor1409
@patriciataylor1409 11 ай бұрын
Bet you will sleep well tonight. Pleasant dreams. Wake up refreshed.
@janicemcantyre3360
@janicemcantyre3360 Жыл бұрын
Len, I enjoyed the scenery in your walk. Prayers for you and Sue! God Bless...🙏🕊🌻
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hi Janice, Thanks for your prayers , hope you guys are doing ok. I know it hasn't been easy for you . I remember the hard things you have had to go through of late. God is helping you, and He will never get tired of it. God bless🙏🕊🌻
@janicemcantyre3360
@janicemcantyre3360 Жыл бұрын
@@lenandcindypresley....4830 Had to buy another car last week. My daughter's car turned in for salvage. I bought a new 2023 silver metallic Toyota Corolla and put in my name and daughter's name. Pretty much will be hers and she is paying insurance on it. Used a small sum of life ins.from husband to get. I have an older Toyora Camry. I was looking for a used Corolla that was pre-certified, but the new corolla about same price. Isn't that crazy? Then light switch went out in our bathroom. A younger teacher friend of mine father and an electrician friend of his fixed this morning. So kind of them! I miss my husband so much and guess always will. God Bless You! 🌻🌻🌻🐈
@dawncordero7760
@dawncordero7760 Жыл бұрын
Hi, just stumbled upon your channel. I am a widow too. My husband has been gone for 19 months. He died suddenly of a brain bleed. He was perfectly healthy just turned 57 years old the previous month had a headache, and within hours, brain dead. I know everything you’re feeling and I totally understand what you’re going through. One day everything is great and you’re living a beautiful life with your soulmate and the next they’re gone. 💔😢
@sherryclingenpeel9304
@sherryclingenpeel9304 Жыл бұрын
Got through my husband's Anniversary thanks for the support.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Amen sherry 😊
@candidaherron6130
@candidaherron6130 Жыл бұрын
Hi Len , I definitely will take the prayer ! Yes doing the best i can . I did get out to church with my sisters on Sunday . I have to say it was so unexpectedly great . I wanted to keep riding out of town . Have many moments still after losing my Eddie but God blessing are on me I know ! Be well my friend . Thank you for sharing this day 💙
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Candida. I was happy to hear how good it was for you at church. Your starting to live a bit more like me. It takes time to move forward. God is there every step of the way. God bless...🙏🕊👍
@candidaherron6130
@candidaherron6130 Жыл бұрын
@@lenandcindypresley....4830 Thank you Len , Amen 🙌 ❤️
@myrtlegranger3443
@myrtlegranger3443 Жыл бұрын
Good to see you Len. God Bless❤️🙏
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Myrtle. Good to hear from you too, since I can't see you. Hope you are doing well. You have been here for sometime...God is and will always be there for us. May He keep you close to His side . God bless...🙏🕊☝️
@dianemichel7824
@dianemichel7824 Жыл бұрын
I would love to sit in your yard, by a bird feeder, watching the birds. The quiet is peaceful and much needed in this busy world. Prayers outside can get to heaven quicker
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Diane Thanks for your comment, being outside in nature is a gift from God. Watching our birds and many other creatures around here gives testimony to Our God's greatness... I sure miss my wife's presence in all of it...🙏🕊
@shellyaubrey7048
@shellyaubrey7048 Жыл бұрын
I understand lost my husband little over 1 and 1/2 years life is totally different. Ive tried to make myself get up and do but so easy to sit...I'm thankful God carries me everyday
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Shelly, You sound just like me on many days. God will carry us through. He hasn't failed me yet. God bless ...🙏🕊
@shellyaubrey7048
@shellyaubrey7048 Жыл бұрын
@Len and Cindy Presley.... no sir he's NEVER dropped nobody🙏
@tessurtado5474
@tessurtado5474 Жыл бұрын
😢my heart.breaks for you.
@sherryclingenpeel9304
@sherryclingenpeel9304 Жыл бұрын
I watch NDEs..very upifting
@ruthhomanstampoulis6563
@ruthhomanstampoulis6563 Жыл бұрын
Hi Len , using my daughters profile, we're on the same journey, my wife Lynn died 30th March 2022, thanks for your prayers , praying for you too , thanks for being open on your Journey , Tim and Lynn , Ireland 🇮🇪
@cindyandlenpresley...6118
@cindyandlenpresley...6118 Жыл бұрын
Hello Tim, Thank you for your comment, it came a long way to get here. I'm sorry you lost your dear wife and best friend. I never knew pain like this existed. You know grief is a barrier breaker , we all feel the painful hurt in most of the world , it hurts bad no matter who you are , or where you live. God bless you and yours my friend.. 🇺🇲🇮🇹
@ruthhomanstampoulis6563
@ruthhomanstampoulis6563 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words , 🙏 I'll pray for you, Tim
@rhondawilkins_
@rhondawilkins_ Жыл бұрын
I am Widowed 5 1/2 years. I had Complicated Grief the first 3 years after my husband passed. We were married 25 years. My Anniversary and Mother's Day fell on the same day, May 14,2023 this year. My Mom died when I was 23 in front of me at home from a brain aneurysm.And my husband died in 2017.I have 3 adult children but the day was very difficult. Thankfully, all of us Believers in Jesus blood atonement for sin have the "Blessed Hope" to be reunited with all our family members who were also "In Christ at physical death." I believe we are VERY CLOSE to the "Harpazo, Catching Away" of Believers. Thank you, Len for posting these videos.
@sherryclingenpeel9304
@sherryclingenpeel9304 Жыл бұрын
I believe you are right
@jenmidwest2432
@jenmidwest2432 Жыл бұрын
What did you do to get through the complicated grief, please? I am having a hard time with it.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hi Rhonda. I have to tell you ,you're comment is a very encouraging and hope filled one. Amen to being bought by the precious blood of the Lamb. I pray for all my family hers mine and many others. One by one they come to Jesus, I believe. I can see the change in one's life. You have had a ruff go of it for sometime. God's eye is on the sparrow, and I know he is watching you. (Me too). Keep looking up,,,👍🙏🕊
@rhondawilkins_
@rhondawilkins_ Жыл бұрын
@Len and Cindy Presley.... Thanks for your kind reply,Len.I am praying 🙏 for all of you that make comments and keeping you covered in prayer with my daily journal.Look up,Saints! Our redemption draws near!
@TheDANNO1967
@TheDANNO1967 Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to send you our thoughts and prayers I saw the little sign on your truck when I was behind you in traffic and I thought I would let you know that you are in our prayers
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Dan . I certainly do appreciate any prayers and support in this grief journey. I don't recommend it . I'm just trying to show others who know and don't know what it is like . God bless...👍
@almashapaka4678
@almashapaka4678 Жыл бұрын
😊
@chetappling8200
@chetappling8200 Жыл бұрын
Hi Len Jan (Chet's mom): I've been thinking (maybe too much thinking) about how I didn't do enough for my husband. Also, my mother (died 2018). I took too many things for granted- thinking we'd be together for many more years. 46 yrs just wasn't enough time. I know a lot of husbands & wives had much less yrs together. But, that doesn't help. I get up almost every morning thinking - "here's another day without my sweet Tom". I think about U & Ana Sue C a lot. Same for me - I do household stuff whenever I feel like it. Some things get done, but other things just stagnate until I'm forced to do them. I'm grateful for my son who lives with me. But, my Tom was (is) my life & missing him is more than I can bear @ times. I'm hanging in there with U, Len. I too worry about Ana C. 🙏 Thx a million ❤
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jan You sound just like me , on most days. I can only seem to do ,only what I have to. And usually at the last minute. Sometimes I will make a little progress in my list of things that I need to do. I make my own honey do list now. I sure miss my little helper. Thank you Jan for your prayers for Sue and others. May God richly bless you..🙏🕊
@Anondlynn
@Anondlynn Жыл бұрын
Hi Len...good to see and hear from you again. Don't worry about your vids...I haven't been putting a lot of entries in my journal either lately...I believe it's just another sign of our healing journey.. BTW...is that your strumming on the end of the vid? Nice and upbeat...I like it👍 You keep well OK...and I'm sending LOTS of Love and Hugs your way as always.❤
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Anondlynn. .appreciate your comment for sure. Hope you are doing OK. The guitar music isn't me, in future I will use either my guitar or piano for any musical part. Sound gets distorted Without a proper recording device. I have played some music on my guitars but the sound is not to good. To me.🤔. Thanks for the hugs and lots of love returning to you...God bless.
@rollinwitlrfam6848
@rollinwitlrfam6848 Жыл бұрын
Its ok I feel the same way and I watch near death to and talk willow
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for comment. Watching a testimonial of a NDE. Can keep you focused on the important things , related to heaven. Hope is alive...
@jpb5363
@jpb5363 Жыл бұрын
Hi Len. At the 17 month mark since I lost my wife/life. This 2nd. year the grief edges have been rounded off some. Still trying to figure out my "new" life. It is going to take alot more time for me. Im trying very hard. I hope and pray all of you are being kind to yourselves as you try to find peace and purpose. I seek counceling and regularly attend a spousal loss support group. It has helped but there is no magical formula just One Day At A Time. All the WHYS have no answer this side of eternity. God knows how much we miss our loved ones and will reunite us when our time comes....the well researched book: "Imagine Heaven" by John Burke was mentioned by you Len in a previous video. I read it within the first 3 months of my loss(I was very num) so i'm re reading it again now. Its about NDEs and it helped. Keep up the outreach as we all need it and are listening....my best from your CNY friend John
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello John . Thanks for your encouraging comments. Time is both a friend and a pain healer . I'm learning this for real now. I'm not as sad every hour of every day. I have good days ,mostly anyway. 1 year and 3 months today. It seems so distant now,yet the longing to be with her has never once vacated my thoughts. I will just have to wait for some more time to elapse, then I will hold her again. Soon maybe... I still watch videos on NDEs. God bless my friend in CNY
@Kaytha.57
@Kaytha.57 Жыл бұрын
Prayers for you Len and all. I go from being happy to not. I say what's the purpose. Feeling so alone this days. I found a a Penny yesterday as I was putting my groceries in the car and feeling sad. As I opened my car door there it was. Must be a sign who knows. I thanked God. I still have 2 more cortisone shots to go in my shoulder. Hopefully I don't have to go under the knife. Take care, God bless
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Prayers for your health and painful shoulder. Doesn't sound like fun. Having physical pain along with grief is a very difficult road to be on. I hope andcpray you won't have to go through surgery . God be with you...🙏🕊
@Kaytha.57
@Kaytha.57 Жыл бұрын
@lenandcindypresley....4830 thank you lots.👍🙏
@kathypolomcak7760
@kathypolomcak7760 Жыл бұрын
Today was a fantastic day for me memorial weekend's coming it's time to have a barbecue with my children I think I'm going to have my son smoke a brisket I see that everyone has lost a love one I keep telling myself God made me for Joy I keep on keep on❤
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Kathy Yes , you keep on keeping on. You have too, for you ,and your precious family . God's gonna be there every step you take. He knows your past your now, and all your tomorrows. May your joy be full of new memories this memorial day weekend. Boy, a brisket sure sounds really good...🙏🕊
@kathypolomcak7760
@kathypolomcak7760 Жыл бұрын
@@lenandcindypresley....4830 Well here's something funny that happened today my little granddaughter went to the bathroom plug. My toilet and hear Grammy is emptying out the toilet never a dull moment 😂 the last time this happened is when we had my in-laws 50th wedding anniversary they are both passed away to now
@hayeshonorio3386
@hayeshonorio3386 Жыл бұрын
😢
@fillyhart4222
@fillyhart4222 Жыл бұрын
Hello Len. Enjoyed seeing how lush & green Monroe is right now & glad you got some of God's creatures into your video. Please remember to go get checked after those tick bites. Cindy would want you too. You speak with such honesty & warmth about your Cindy. We were blessed to have found our true loves & they will always be part of us. Thank you for reminding us that we are not alone & that God sees & hears every tear that falls. Ps. Will follow & keep Sue Ann in my prayers now too. God bless.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your prayers and support, Filly Hart. I'm going to doctors Soon, to check for lyme disease. I've been bitten 2 times in 2 weeks. I'm starting to feel very uncomfortable and tired all day. I might have been affected by the tick bites or maybe just my on going grief. I hope you don't have ticks where you are. They are really bad here now. Missing my dear wife ever more as the weeks go by. God will see us through. This walk thru grief isn't a permanent one. It will end ,soon maybe. Then comes the joy we hope and long for. A glorious reunion in heaven... God bless...🙏🕊
@tessurtado5474
@tessurtado5474 Жыл бұрын
Ruth my husband died 31st of March 22 hope you are doing ok it's hard as it can be sad sad sad😢
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hi Tess, We are going to go thru different stages of this grief. It's inevitable . I pray for God's peace and strength to continue to guide and carry you forward as the weeks go by. I'm getting by , but like you say, sad sad, mostly. Hard to face the day sometimes.. God bless.
@kimmillay4725
@kimmillay4725 Жыл бұрын
Len watch for alpha gal with tick bite
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hi Kim, I don't know what alpha gal is ,but I guess I can look it up... Thanks for your comment 👍
@kathypolomcak7760
@kathypolomcak7760 Жыл бұрын
Lol😂😂😂
@MAvila744
@MAvila744 Жыл бұрын
Hi Len, Good to see you. Yes, Memorial Day weekend & the unofficial start of summer. My husband and I loved walking along the ocean shoreline in the summer. Sunrises at the shore are especially beautiful. The majesty of God is revealed in a special way. I went to the cemetery today. It’s less than a 15 minute drive. I wanted the potted flowers to get water. Connecting physically is nice. I had some difficult days. The weekends are especially difficult. I understand about the distractions and not being drawn to pray. There has been one prayer though that has been very comforting for me. It’s a prayer penned by a nun. It’s called ‘The Litany of Trust.’ Yes, it’s Catholic but you don’t need to be Catholic to pray it. I have found it creates peace within me because the essence of the prayer is to trust Jesus with everything to handle and unburden ourselves from the unbearable pain of grief and the symptoms and the feeling like we can’t go on. I am attaching it if anyone is interested in praying it. Once the prayer opens scroll down to pray it. Remembering you and Sue Ana in my prayers. She needs someone to hug her tight. 🙏🤗 sistersoflife.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Mobile-Litany-of-Trust.pdf
@WeepingWidowSueAna
@WeepingWidowSueAna Жыл бұрын
God bless you sweet Mary.
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 Жыл бұрын
Hello Mary. Thank you for your wonderful comment. I can relate to most if not all of your experiences. I love the prayer you shared. I downloaded it to look at from time to time . Just what the doctor ordered... God bless...🙏🙏🙏🕊 Thanks for prayers for Sue, she is struggling so bad ,it breaks my broken heart. I wish I could hug her.. ❤
@MAvila744
@MAvila744 Жыл бұрын
@@lenandcindypresley....4830 You”re welcome, Len. You can even adapt your petitions to meet your particular struggles. I think the important things are the responses (Deliver Me or Jesus I Trust in You.) We cannot do this ourselves. Sue breaks my heart. I remember very early on how I just wanted to have my friend rock me in her arms like a child while I sobbed. I would like to be able to do that for Sue. She needs it. Daily prayers for you both.
@patriciataylor1409
@patriciataylor1409 6 ай бұрын
@lenandcindypresley....4830
@lenandcindypresley....4830 6 ай бұрын
Hello Patricia ❤️🙏🏻🕊
@patriciataylor1409
@patriciataylor1409 6 ай бұрын
Thanks thinking of you now and then. X
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