My Most Expensive CNC Machine Yet! | Doosan Puma MX2100 ST

[@PiersonWorkholding]

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[@hdfanboy]

One thing I can highly recommend when it comes to programming is use your 2nd turret for your turning tools as much as possible. Some of the parts I run on our mazak i400s machines tool changes in the mill spindle add up to 3 minutes to the cycle time alone since I do about 18 tool changes on these parts. If you use the lower turret for the turning ops as much as possible that will obviously cut down on that. Im sure you have looked into these already but you can also get capto c6 turning tool holders that allow you to mount 2 or 4 turning tools in 1 holder so instead of needing to do 3 or 4 tool changes you can have say a roughing OD tool, finishing OD tool and a grooving and threading tool all on the one holder and all you do is rotate the tool holder to 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees which will greatly reduce tool change times.

[@Limosical]

Steven, Are you programming in Mazatrol? If you are then it doesn't matter but are you using a preload to speed up toolchanges? You can program T01 M6 and then on the next line T02, this will preload the tool for the next operation

[@hdfanboy]

@@Limosical Yep all our programs are done in mazatrol at the machine so it already preloads the next tool. The main issue is amount of time im rapiding back and forth. Say im working on the sub spindle the B axis is at 180 degrees so it has to rapid away from sub spindle to home position then B0, do the tool change then back to B180 then back to work on the sub spindle. On the sub spindle side I think I use probably 13 tools so you repeat that 13 times and that tool change time really adds up. If I had a lower turret that would make a big difference to cycle times for sure.

[@gredangeo]

@@Limosical I thought preloading a tool was standard knowledge. That doesn't require Mazatrol. Just have a proper Post Processor that does it for you, for your Cam Software.

[@Limosical]

​@@gredangeo Depending on the CAM software you use, it might have been me that wrote your post-processor. I said when not in Mazatrol, using EIA, to preload you need T5 M6 then T6 on the next line for example, I believe you can even put it on the same line but I don't like this format.

[@BreakingTaps]

Props to whoever edits and sync'ed the wrench hammering to the music 👌

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Thanks. It was the eagle we paid to fly over that was tricky.

[@dazaspc]

A few thoughts no shade intended. You really need to be making appropriate and numbers of parts for a twin turning spindle machine. Live tooling as well. It might sound silly but in my experience if you want/need to maximize output (Fully optimize the process) multi function equipment can hinder rather than help. For example your widget needs 3 operations 2 turning and one drilling. The live tooling and twin spindle machine can do it all in one machine. Each operation say takes 5 minutes so 15 in total cycle time. If there is a breakdown or service is needed all 3 processes are stopped. If you had 3 machines running in a cell you can now get a part every 5 mins instead of 15. 3 machines will cost more than one however the increased cost of a highly complex machine can often cover the price of two simple ones. The third and may be part will cost extra in capital but this should be easily offset by a 3 fold increase in production rate. There is also the added safety net of if a turning machine goes down production can continue for a while if there is part finished items put aside for it or alternatively the machine setup can be changed over to do the other op. Not a fully optimized way but still more 2X more productive than the single machine. It also keeps the process going for time and number critical items. All that said there are certain circumstances where additional features are very useful in optimizing output. A 3 axis milling center for example will benefit from a loss of loading time if it is optioned with a pallet changer, 4th and 5 th axis can be fitted as well but can get expensive on a pallet changer. A Tandem/Twin spindle milling machine can optimize a process but has some of the downtime issues when faults occur. Cheers

[@grizzlyrags62]

I bought the second of these machines delivered to the UK when they first came out in 2006/7. I had three Puma's in total and they were the best multi axis mill-turn centres I ever bought. Good luck with it and have fun with the multi tipped Capto tool holders. Your 40-tool changer is easily multiplied!!!

[@alexgregg2466]

Good luck. Ours leaks like a sieve and randomly decides whenever it feels like it to not let go of the tools in the milling head. Also the tool measurement system has just stopped working at least 10 times in the last 10 years. (that being said it is 15 years old, the new ones are hopefully of much better quality)

[@romanelsnerio]

Have you tried Power Skiving with this beast yet?

[@kodywillnauer9422]

I love how clean your cnc room is. Speaks volumes.

[@brandons9138]

I worked on one of these at my last shop. It was an OK machine. The Y axis travel with B axis pointed at the main spindle is disappointing. Same with the X axis travel. You could only go .800 below the chuck center line. It's not a deal breaker, but it makes some things harder then they need to be. Ours was also not the most durable machine either. Despite the low hours on the machine we had all kinds of issues with it. Most common was the tool changer door. We also had to have a Doosan tech from the factory HQ come out and see what was going on when the milling head spindle started to sound like a rock grinder. I made a few cool parts on it, but it's limitations and reliability problems made the experience sub optimal. The most frustrating thing about the machine was the 2 days it took me and 3 other guys to remove clean and refill the coolant tank/chip conveyer. Part of our issue was limited space to work in, but most of it had to do with the ENORMOUS chip conveyer. It's probably 20+ feet long and 20+ inches wide. We had to use a portable overhead crane to move the damn thing. Spoiler alert: The chip conveyer, even with the air knife, will get clogged with chips and drag them back into the sump.

[@jkotka]

the editing on the disassembly of the crate with the zooms and the hammering to the beat is just top noch, great job!

[@wrighty338]

in awe at the production value of the vlogs these days Jay, congrats on the Doosan!

[@mythattak]

Wow sick editing the way they incorporated the music with them opening the crate and using different tools. So dope! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@cobraframebuilding]

Jay - I loved the video. Love the machine from what I can see. If you ever thought "maybe I shouldn't talk so much about the transformer, nobody really cares about that" you would be wrong. I love the details about more than just the sexy parts of the machine itself. Running your own shop teaches you an appreciation for that kind of thing. I recently bought a similar used Square D step down transformer. Mine's 408v delta to 120/208 wye and it's 75KVA. Yours must be a size or two bigger if you can get 300 amps out. I love that you took the time to make such a nice video about your lathe even though you don't currently sell tooling for such a machine (that I can think of.)

[@richhuntsd12]

Wow, that is a beautiful Machine. I watch your videos all the time but somehow I missed this one. That’s a whole different level of machine tool. Also Your white or light grey floors are beautiful. How are You liking this machine so far.?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

1 year update video coming soon!

[@adambunce272]

Never had the pleasure of playin with a doosan. Im an Okuma fan myself. But i see these things all over youtube and they are absolute beasts!! Can't wait to see it in action!!

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Okumas are amazing machines! Doosan just might be a step below them.

[@freedomenergy6644]

What kind of Okuma do you run? Were trying to decide what brand of machine to go with. Were leaning towards Okuma right know but they tell us Doosans are nice.

[@danielbrateris8060]

Any idea what the roughy cost of this machine is?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Check out the thumbnail.

[@paladin50554]

You should have seen the Doosan NHP 5500 that arrived at my workplace recently. That thing, plus it's 150 slot tool changer and pallet pool, is massive.

[@mtnbikeman85]

The "little" forklift was bigger than the forklift that just dropped off my 3700kg BT30 machine.

[@paulmace7910]

I’m glad your business can support a machine like this. How many sku’s are you planning on running here with no/minimal setup delays? This is the future of round part machining.

[@mouhamadlebde9027]

What's the difference between Fusion 360 and Esprit?

[@iansandusky417]

This is killer man, so stoked to see this beast!

[@felixm.8910]

The installation montage had some qualities of the DMG MORI marketing clips. The sounds and camera angles and everything :D

[@Rymanwiemann]

Holy crap! I was not expecting this! I have an infinite amount of questions! I'll wait I assume they will be answered in up and coming videos! I've been in aw of Peter Stanton's Integrex as there is not much KZbin content with machines like that and quality blogs. So this is awesome to see another similar style machine also much newer. I am very interested in Capto tooling and budgeting for that, they are pricey! OKay I am full stoked! Keep up the incredible quality content and products!

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Post your questions and we might use them in a Q&A episode.

[@Rymanwiemann]

@@PiersonWorkholding Okay here goes! This seems very similar to a Integrex style machine. Why did you go with Doosan instead od DMG/Mazak/etc? Did you go into debt to buy this machine? How did you justify that if so? Is this machine solving a manufacturing issue (tolerances, repeatability) or is it solving a production volume issue (make more parts faster) or something else? Capto tooling cost is a totally different thing than CAT40. How do you plan to tool this thing up? Do you have a specific part or parts you will run on this and have dedicated tooling for it? I am sure you will put out videos with lots of content so I will wait until then. Thanks for sharing! You and other KZbinrs are the reason I am in the business now and I really love it.

[@Factory400]

I am pretty sure the crate costs more than a Tormach :-)

[@PM.al.whatmough]

Wow so fun to watch you grow Jay. Your shop is stunning as always. I can't wait to see your programming Videos. Of Course, I am bias and love seeing Fusion in action :-)

[@71Giggles]

Was there ever a video of this machine in action?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Video #2 coming in a few weeks!

[@rapidenterprises5681]

Sound Design on point.

[@houstonsigmund2550]

Congrats on the new machine Jay!

[@Neo7CNC]

That's a great looking machine Jay! Congratulations!

[@MrStanwyck]

Congratulations on your new big boy toy!!!! LOL…. Awesome video of the rigging and install.. I felt like I was watching one of Titan’s machine install videos….

[@ericschneiter]

Incredible. I can’t believe I’m just seeing this. Thanks for sharing as usual Jay. Always motivated by your videos. 💪🏼

[@GlassImpressions]

Yes you are back!!!!

[@larrybauerle4689]

Congratulations Jay!

[@evilenergy7121]

What do u guys program that with Mastercam ? Featurecam? Are the post processors any good

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Autodesk Fusion 360. Post processors are about 95% complete out of the box.

[@44coma]

I program set up and run the same machine. It's the best thing I have ever had to work on.

[@joshuawentworth7426]

Oh man, you gotta get off of fusion 360 for that. Manually dealing with the system syncing is a non-starter.

[@Limosical]

Agreed

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Maybe. There's a lot you can do in Fusion to automate workflows.

[@ZZ3CR]

@@PiersonWorkholding Using Fusion to program this machine is like using a stapler as a hammer. It will probably get the job done for what you need but it's a pain in the ass. Good luck and I know you are no stranger to creative programming solutions. I've used fusion for programming a DS30Y and it makes me want to pull my hair out even on that machine.

[@MrUbi22]

@Pierson Workholding Interesting ! we have just purchased an 2012 model of same machine and I'm currently trying to sort Fusion 360 Post out for it, judging from my experience with this i don't think Fusion has been used with one of these machine before ! For example NO MX twin turret model has a Y axis on lower turret yet standard post outputs Y & V value for lower turret causing program error alarms, I have sorted this with the help from AutoDesk but just makes me think I must be one of the first to try to use Fusion on this machine or surely this with be sorted in stock post processor ?

[@freedomenergy6644]

@@ZZ3CR what Cam software do you recommend using?

[@donkeyhustle]

Nice! I’ve been using this machine for a couple years. I used Fusion before I got it but got a seat of Gibbscam for programming this one. I really wanted full machine sim and control over syncs, utilities, and B axis turning angles. I hope fusion works out for you!

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Very cool! For the dozen or so parts we'll be making, Fusion will work but any job shop should definitely level up to Gibbs or Esprit.

[@1296Tbone]

I have this sneaking suspicion this means the 5axis pallet system you teased months ago may finally be making its debut?

[@EZ_shop]

What a beast! Congratulations.

[@Jason-sz5zv]

Just purchased our 2nd Doosan TT1800SY. That makes our 12th Doosan in five years. They're great machines for the price. Once Mori got swallowed by DMG their machines became unreliable junk. We bought a few and regretted it. Even ended up going straight to Japan for an original NH-4000. Mori was awesome but no more. Doosan has picked up that spot. We've had pretty much every machine under the sun. Mazak,Mori, Kitamura,Kiwa,Kira, Okuma, Toyoda,Matsuura,Haas,Nakamura,Milltronics. For the price service and dependability you can't beat Doosan.

[@PiersonWorkholding]

This is a very reassuring comment! Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@DuRöhre4711]

Mori did not get swallowed by DMG. Both companies own a major share of each other.

[@stuartmcconnachie8907]

Congratulations 🎊🍾 that is badass lathe

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Thank you sir!

[@Lwimmermastermetalart]

I just had to laugh in the beginning at the guy using an adjustable wrench for a hammer. Where did he learn that? 😂. Great machine, I’m super impressed with Doosan, now DM Solutions . As always, a great video.

[@Sicktrickintuner]

Damn! How many Hp is that thing? And how large of a diameter part can come through that spindle bore? Would also love to see how ridgid that machine is. And how does the electrical cabinet look on that, jam packed? And always how expensive was it, we all want to know. Im guessing $550,000?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

95 total HP but it depends on which spindle you're taking about: 30hp, 30hp, 25hp and 10hp. It was under $400k!

[@Sicktrickintuner]

@@PiersonWorkholding Damn, that is some good total hp there. Obviously not all running at the same time. Mostly And $400k that’s pretty good compared to what I guessed

[@billb295]

WOW! Well I have a Sherline Chucker and a Tormach 1100M, LOL! NICE machine your company and products are awesome!

[@PiersonWorkholding]

That's more machinery than what I started with! Thanks for watching! - JP

[@jasonshane4606]

It was beautifull.. Waiting more videos..

[@PiersonWorkholding]

More to come!

[@auhopu]

Drones, timelapses, hawk sounds, music sync with bolt hammering... who does the video editing???

[@PiersonWorkholding]

The best in the business!

[@TheRlovett]

Respect to the quality of editing but it's so perfect it makes me feel uneasy. I like them a bit loose like Grimsmo's videos

[@max_eley]

Good choice! You will love the doosan machines, #gopuma 😀

[@narzedziowniawbudowie]

nice machine, nice movie, nice shop .... niceeeeee best regards from Poland

[@stuwalerstein6495]

Amazing machine looks like it will be a fun machine to run.

[@nikolaiownz]

That machine is so cool

[@texasermd1]

Great video intro to your new machine. So….. most expensive….. what was the all-in cost for this bad boy? 🧐

[@PiersonWorkholding]

$400k+

[@texasermd1]

Seems reasonable considering. Will love to see it make some chips. Congrats on forward progress. I’d call this a first and goal. 👍🏼👍🏼 Adjustable wrench-hammers. 🤣

[@antoliv2668]

What is the approximate investment in such a machine?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

$400k

[@TAWPTool]

Very nice!

[@orangedream267]

You should see some of the motorised skates some riggers use. Makes getting a machine into it's final home look like cheating.

[@ipadize]

any chance you tell us how much it was?

[@lawerencecohen8287]

California. When are you planning to move to Texas?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

When Texas starts having 70° winter days. ;-)

[@lawerencecohen8287]

I hate the cold. Hate California taxes more.

[@yasin7271]

Türçe alt yazı iyi olmuş teşekkürler

[@damientoomey1194]

Yeah that’s a nice machine. Looks like they copied an integrex. I use fusion360 to program an early integrex and it works well for me. Looking forward to seeing machining vids.

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Good to know about Fusion. Does your integrex have a lower turning turret? If so, that's where the timing may need a few hand edits.

[@damientoomey1194]

@@PiersonWorkholding unfortunately it doesn’t. Having one would reduce cycle times as the one tool at a time, integrex style, machines have much higher tool change times than a turret style lathe. Unbeatable for parts with lots of milling tho. The series of integrex your machine is based on were very rigid and cut very well. Keen to see how that one compares.

[@mmineque]

Don't put plexiglass it breaks with sharp edges. Better choice are PC sheets

[@Thewaldo12345]

Def not writing a check for that bad boy!

[@Michal_Sobierajski]

2022 and video in 16:9 ratio? 😁

[@mp6756]

That definitely wont fit I'm my garage.

[@matthewkoppel4414]

Nice to see that Doosan knocked off the Mazak Integrex.

[@PiersonWorkholding]

Mazak? Never heard of them.

[@matthewkoppel4414]

@@PiersonWorkholding yeah.......i guess that is not down in your league.