My Problems With INTEL's ARC

[@__aceofspades]

Bought an A750 for my girlfriend for $250, the drivers have come a LONG way. Performance is slightly under my 3070, which costs $570... The ray tracing performance on Intel is very good, equal to Nvidia's 3000 series, and better than RDNA 2 and RDNA 3.. And with Arc I get AV1 encoding (something only $800+ GPUs have), XeSS upscaling (or FSR), XMX AI cores which help me upscale in Gigapixel AI, and finally their encoder is top notch, literally better than Nvidia's NVENC and far ahead of AMD. Is Arc perfect? No. But it currently is the best value on the market, and as drivers continue to improve, will only get even better.

[@vogonp4287]

I feel like the next gen has potential to be a market disruptive product if the drivers are ironed out.

[@defnotatroll]

What is encoding/encoder useful for?

[@vogonp4287]

@@defnotatroll For recording gameplay and such. That, and video editing.

[@HallsteinI]

Great news honestly. More competition in the GPU space is a godsend, Nvidia have been borderline coasting for close to a decade at this point and AMD always spend ages working out driver errors each time they launch a new generation.

[@joelschwartz4679]

I can't agree that the intel arc A770 or A750 ray tracing performance is better than rdna 3 when the 7900 xtx has the performance of a 3080 on quake 2 rtx and minecraft rtx. it's ray tracing performance is around 3060 ti level or rx 6800 on rdna 2 when it comes to it's rt performance on the intel arc highest end A770 LE. I think the best performance you can expect of the intel arc A770 LE is rx 6800 raster performance or 3070 level rt performance on the intel arc A770 LE and the A750 is going to be 3060 ti or 6700 xt performance at best case in the future when the drivers are better.

[@martinkozle]

"Waiting around for every new update in the hope that my particular problems will be resolved". Sounds like my experience on Linux... with an Nvidia GPU... on Wayland... with Electron apps. The holy quadrinity of problems. I am used to having to solve annoying software problems all the time. But I am also a developer, so ofcourse I am not going to mind it when I do it all day every day.

[@AntonioZL]

Electron is a pain in the ass.

[@tralphstreet]

Why are you using Wayland if you have an NVIDIA GPU? What's even the point?

[@eccodreams]

Even with an AMD GPU and CPU, the amount of issues I've had on Linux with Wayland desperately trying to do literally anything with Electron apps was so much of a pain (I have some programs that are electron only that I need to use) that I genuinely gave up and went back to Windows (I shudder at the thought alone, worry not).

[@hihellothere9569]

​@@eccodreams based really, I hate Linux

[@1000_Gibibit]

@martinkozle1346 Old or recent nvidia card? When I tried running a 7900 XT on Linux right after the card's release it wasn't much better, it just needed a few months. When I asked around other Linux users basically said "don't use bleeding edge on linux". Driver support for anything a bit older is generally superb though.

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

Who would have thought 10 years ago that instead of having Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs in our PCs, we'd have AMD CPUs and Intel GPUs in our PCs 😂

[@Demopans5990]

Amd CPU, Nvidia GPU, and a Intel GPU for streaming or something

[@brosanopp]

up next: Nvidia CPU??

[@Pimp_Shrimp]

@@brosanopp Then we'll finally have gone full-circle.

[@TiborSzarvas]

We don't have intel GPUs in our PCs tho,' at least i don't, so..

[@Pimp_Shrimp]

@@TiborSzarvas The world revolves around you, huh?

[@thescryingpool]

I have one and it's been pretty good. No major issues. I can play all the games I want to play. Upgraded from a GTX 970 and the A770 has been awesome.

[@hollowkid97]

Big upgrades nice.

[@bill_and_amanda]

I bought the A770 16GB at Christmas and have found it really stable and good. I don't play AAA but I do mostly play newer indie games. It was a good enough experience that my wife also just bought one for her upgraded rig that she's going to use for content creation and streaming. We will probably upgrade to Battlemage assuming the price is okay.

[@utiuandy99]

How’s the performance until now? Any problems? I am looking into buying one.

[@bill_and_amanda]

@@utiuandy99 it's been really good. It's not earth shattering but it's a definite improvement over my 1060 and (mobile) 2060 systems I was using previously, and that's an especially big improvement when it comes to RT. I think my biggest gripe is that I wish more games supported Intel's native RT and AI upscaling but generally as long as the game has those technologies for AMD, Arc can use the AMD version. I'm very satisfied and planning to look seriously at Battlemage, especially if they can keep the prices comparable.

[@utiuandy99]

@@bill_and_amanda thank you for the response. I’m going to look into recent prices for pre build computers as I can’t really find the time to put together a whole desktop computer but I’ll keep in mind the cost of the parts to really see the difference in price. From what I have seen the AMD pre built computers seem to have a better price point for similar performance.

[@bill_and_amanda]

@@utiuandy99 good luck to you dude!

[@raylxh1925]

Bought an a750 myself. Maybe not the best card available but its real cheap and it performs more than well enough for my use case.

[@anasevi9456]

it's definitely the best value in most regions compared to anything AMD or Nvidia offers new. Also unlike any Radeon or Geforce around it's price; its worth turning on raytracing in some games.

[@paliszarok]

does it worth it?

[@iAMaReaperGotprobZ]

@@anasevi9456 its not, the 6600 xt is

[@raylxh1925]

@@paliszarok so far it works more than well enough for me, but then it is my first build as an upgrade over my previous laptop. Havent play anything else apart from cs and raimbow 6 since i got it last week.

[@raylxh1925]

Cs on 1280x960 with medium shadow and 4x msaa does gave me no less than 240fps, often roaming around 350~399 fps (i have fps_max at 400)

[@sulphurous2656]

The 16GB of VRAM at that price point for the A770 makes me extremely jelly as a 3060 Ti owner who paid something around $650 for the card last summer. If the drivers weren't in their infancy, I would have expected this thing to trounce all over the 3060 Ti in most situations.

[@kamikazilucas]

i paid 370 for my 3060 ti 2 years ago lol

[@Wakka9000]

I have seen that a770 and a750 consume so much power, its should compete with 3090ti. But its so bad, it trades blows with 3060. Basically you will pay price difference with electricity bill. 3060ti good choice

[@Winnetou17]

@@Wakka9000 NVidia shill much ? It doesn't consume nowhere near 3090 Ti, that's insane. It's in the range of 3070 and 3070 Ti. Which is still higher than what it delivers.

[@raresmacovei8382]

A770 is faster than a 3060, but it's not as fast or faster than a 3060 Ti. So you're good.

[@joemarais7683]

@@Wakka9000 225w =\= 450w, clown.

[@512TheWolf512]

Actually, according to Linus the tech tips man, intel arc's market share has already reached 4-8%, which is HUGE for a first generation release

[@shApYT]

Is that discrete desktop cards or iGPUs on laptops and CPUs?

[@EthernetDasCoisas]

​@@shApYT Number pulled kinda out of his butt tbh. Discrete it shouldn't even be 1%

[@Kamology_]

Linus 100% did not say that. Off by orders of magnitude. And I’m an Arc fanboy

[@512TheWolf512]

@@Kamology_ but he did. I don't watch any other tech KZbinrs, and why would I ever make something like this up anyway? I've got a 3080.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@512TheWolf512 lmao why go by what some random person says.. look at the source

[@jakob244]

I picked up an A750 recently, and honestly, it's quite good. I had some issues with older DX9 games initially (Risen 1 under 30 frames), but upgrading the rest of the system with support for ReBAR fixed it. Games run incredibly well now, even with Raytracing (which I didn't expect at all). Idle power use is a little high at 40W, but a new driver is supposed to fix that. For under $300, it's a great deal, and it's only going to get better as drivers improve. I don't like Intel, but AMD really showed that they are not different with how greedy they are. So screw it, I'm just buying the best value going forward, and in the GPU space, that's Intel right now.

[@proCaylak]

it's gonna be simple and maybe tasteless, but those companies are there to make money, not to make any emotional relationships unless it helps them get more money. I think your decision in "going forward" is wise.

[@thescryingpool]

The latest driver fixed the idling issue for me. I now idle around 15-20W. You just have to make sure to set your PCIE setting in Windows Control Panel to maximum savings and then in BIOS set the correct ASPM profile.

[@Decodeish1]

Have you tried dxvk? That's what we use on linux to drive directx games on vulkan and I think you may be better off on vulkan?

[@skymaticsamos9478]

AMD's always been like Nvidia. Difference is they just don't have the engineering capabilities to "justify" the exorbitant prices like Nvidia can. The whole reason Nvidia can get away with charging what they do is because who the fuck else is making 4090-performance cards? Noone. So they jack up the prices and watch as the rest of the industry jsut follows.

[@matrix07012]

​@@Decodeish1 I believe that's how Intel improved Dx9 performance, implementing it into their drivers.

[@Kamology_]

Hard disagree at these not being a fantastic value already. You’ll never see a sub $200 GPU ever again that isn’t a glorified HDMI port/transcoder. A 1080 Ti + great ray tracing performance, XeSS, and other future looking features and architecture, for $250? Sign me up right this instant.

[@crylune]

Don't forget the 16 GB of VRAM

[@Kamology_]

@@crylune very true. I tend to focus more on the A750 but that’s another thing that puts all the competition to shame even at a $350 price point (which will probably be lowered soon)

[@iAMaReaperGotprobZ]

except this isnt a 1080ti and is still plagued with unacceptable issues that make many games unplayable, so yeah you are paying 250$ for a glorified hdmi transcoder with av1 encoding and ai cores

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@iAMaReaperGotprobZ have you tried it? not my experience at all. Although I will say, for games I play it's not even quite as good as 1080ti. What has sucked is me getting in to a csgo game only to realize rebar is off so I get 50fps, and needing to restart pc. And, the fact I can't overclock and especially change fan settings - although I have no need.

[@weebboi2039]

I have both and the 1080ti is at least 25% better but it is a really good deal for $250 and any performance issues I ran into were fixed by googling the problem and watching a video

[@Kaptime]

Celes or whatever the third series is will be a monster I imagine. In one generation Intel very nearly caught up in RT & AI upscaling, it's not super far behind in raster and it's hardware encoders are the best on the market. Battlemage I don't expect to overtake the 4070ti (but I'm optimistic it could happen) but the third series I imagine will actually start making a difference. I would love to build a all Intel rig someday. Also DXVK has a lot of the patchier older DX9-11 support covered, it really is black magic.

[@InnuendoXP]

Thought they'd already announced it as Celestial but I might be misremembering.

[@ssdrbx6180]

@@InnuendoXP you haven't, there is a graph at 2:34

[@InnuendoXP]

@@ssdrbx6180 that's what happens when I just listen to the video and scroll comments lol

[@samay5902]

yeah they might make good gpus, if they continue making gpus that is, lmao

[@Kaptime]

@@samay5902 Intel's integrated graphics on it's CPUs have been great for the last 10 years or so, I believe if they don't scrap the dGPU lineup, they will make a great lineup. We just have to pray that there won't be a triopoly rather than the current duopoly. Our only hope then would be Apple or PowerVR/Imagination making a competitor.

[@50shadesofbeige88]

I've actually had good luck with my A770. I bought it mostly to collect, but I've been surprised at its performance.

[@theauditor3224]

What's the fps look like. Is it stably over 60?

[@Zumaysynba]

@@theauditor3224 Fps depends on which game. Some games will get over 300 fps and other games under 30. You can easily find this info on the internet

[@DustyyBoi]

​@@ZumaysynbaI will eat you

[@Zumaysynba]

@@DustyyBoi ?

[@lightward9487]

@@theauditor3224 300 fps mas facil mejor arc 750 intel bestial contra 3060gtx y 6600xt

[@mondoman712]

I've been using my A770 with Linux since the start of the year and have had absolutely no issues with it whatsoever.

[@sunmicrosystems]

Does the better encoding work out of the box too? I have been thinking of ditching my NVIDIA card for an AMD one for obvious reasons but I might just go Intel if they work on linux without any issues or missing features. If Intel provides full linux support without any proprietary blobs like other card manufacturers it would be the go-to card for desktop linux I feel, they could find a small but loyal set of users there.

[@mondoman712]

@@sunmicrosystems It seems to work in OBS for me, but the support from applications is a bit hit or miss. Seemingly the default version of ffmpeg in the arch repos doesn't yet support it but there are other versions and hopefully it gets fixed soon.

[@6Twisted]

More GPU competition = lower prices for us. Win win.

[@lolpl0000]

Yeah! i feel like arc is a fairly decent start. im thinking, if it released with a lower price tag, we would be seeing a lot more of them out in the wild.

[@anasevi9456]

It's been soooooo long since the last time an entirely new brand of gpu's popped up in the market; most pc gamers, including Phillip's, expectations were completely out of whack of plausibility. Intel would have had to delay for another generation while blowing billions literally hiring thousands of playtesters. Arc A750/770 are doing a LOT better than I or anyone who remembers how the _last_ time went...-cough- XGI Volari Duo -cough-.

[@colbyboucher6391]

@@anasevi9456 Yeah, it's actually pretty incredible that they've polished it up as much as they have.

[@lokeung0807]

I am using Intel Arc A750, it works great. I would recommend the card to my friend who don’t have much budget!

[@wendelinspegel2842]

I just realised that intel will name their gpus A-Z. Thats pretty genius if I compare that to the number crisis amd and nvidia produced. My first card was a Radeon 8500, I once had an nvidida 8800GT, good thing nvidia skipped the 880 between 780 and 980. Oh wait AMD FX-8800P already happend too...

[@elonwong]

It’s just gonna get even more confusing, just look at Radeon 7900xt n r9 7900x 💀 Not to forget intel’s i7 1065g7

[@billchildress9756]

I bought a ARC 770 le in JAN and I went thru some issues with drivers on my AMD system at first, But they kept updating drivers and vast improvements resulted! I'm using their latest release and this card is going to stay right where it is. @ 350.00 it was a bargain for me considering what the prices were for the competitors and there driver issues. With Intel:... NO complaints!

[@JohnBraman413]

the a770 is on par with the 3070 now with all the driver updates. it ties it in some games and beats it in others. there's videos showing it.

[@thescryingpool]

While a lot of people either don't know this or don't believe it, in some games this is very true. In 1440P and even 4k with RT this card is amazing for the money, sure not in every game but Hogwarts is a good example of what Arc can do. And as more game studios work with Intel (and more start supporting XeSS) the more consistent the card's graphical potential will become. The A750 and A770 cards are not for everybody. You are not going to get consistent performance at any resolution, it really depends on game. Generally, you can expect 3060 performance across the board at minimum, but in a decent amount of games you are getting 3060 ti performance...and a smaller percentage of games where at 1440p RT and 4K RT matching or even beating the 3070. For 250 and 350 bucks that's not bad at all. There will always be those that will be LOL@INTEL peeps, where they would rather buy a used 3070 for 400 bucks that may or may not have been well cared for or mined or even just skip used and spend upwards of 600-1200 on a new GPU, but come on for a brand new card with 3060 level performance that can also punch way above that even at higher resolutions for 350 bucks??? It's a no brainer. I would recommend the A750 to A770 to anyone that wants a well priced GPU and who also wants to support the competition. That's my opinion though. So. Yeah.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

Not really, on general it's worse/tied with the 3060ti. Only in 1-2 games is it close to 3070. And in other games it's like a rtx 3050, would you then say 3050 is on par with a770? xd

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@thescryingpool In 1440p, let alone 4k, this card cannot do a lot raytracing. You are comparing 10fps vs 12 fps, it doesn't matter, irrelevant. Hogwarts Legacy. Well, it gets beaten by a 3060ti no problem there, and a 6700xt as well. It's basically like a 6600xt/6650xt in that game.

[@JohnBraman413]

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j go watch videos, it's getting tied to and even passing 3070 now.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@JohnBraman413 I have a a770, I dont need to watch videos. But I have, and what I said still stands. Very few gamese where thats the case. You can tell me examples (of either game or benchmark video) if you want. With normal/realistic settings, it can be compared to a 3060ti at best for gaming.

[@CNC295]

My A750 since the new driver's came out has vastly improved performance. Of course I didn't have too much of a problem with it to begin with but yeah the latest drivers dealt with a lot of issues. I would buy this card again

[@Cortanakya]

"... but yeah the latest driver's deodorant's some issues." Bruh What.

[@CNC295]

@@Cortanakya Yeah voice to text got me again. Good catch

[@ineligible2267]

I loved the 6500 XT coverage, also cautiously optimistic for ARC cards since a third competitor can only be good for making the GPU market more competitive

[@xntumrfo9ivrnwf]

The background music in your videos always sounds.... relaxing and nostalgic

[@lepsycho3691]

Yeah, I wonder who is the composer, if any one know!

[@johnnytex1040]

I have an A770, and honestly it's an upgrade overall from my RTX 3060. The driver struggles are real, but the price is pretty good, and the driver gains I've seen thus far is reassuring.

[@subcinericius]

Got my 980 in 2015 for something like £350 which now seems like a very VERY distant dream. And knowing that nvidia has to many cards to sell than are being sold yet they still are not lowering prices is annoying, would be angry if not for the fact I saw this coming after the 2000 series of cards which hiked the prices by an insane amount because of the crypto boom and why would they ever lower it again?

[@slavko321]

Intel has opened the graphics specification, their drivers are open source! That means they made a significant promise for the future, even if they stop making them tomorrow! Somebody else can improve the drivers.

[@Veptis]

I have been running the A750 since 20th November. And only after their actual DX9 update was csgo playable. It still has a bunch of issues with tabbing out (and back in). I am unable to play Trackmania for example. You would need to jump through hoops and get DXVK. Also doing machine learning is a lot more trouble, since intel pytorch extension just works on Linux. But OpenVINO inference works on Windows. There are a massive company and some project work on different targets. It doesn't work out for me at times. I rendered and uploaded a video with Intel AV-1 yesterday, but youtube only gives me VP-9 - as I don't earn them money I think. 3:34 the text upscaling made quite a few mistakes, to a degree it's worse I'd say.

[@Veptis]

@@2kliksphilip I have been able to play Cyberpunk 2077 for the first time, finished HL2 and even had some fun in Star Citizen. As I won this graphics card back in February last year, I didn't mind the upgrade from an old GTX970. However the rest of the system could use an upgrade too. I am decked out in an Intel Arc Gaming hoodie, Intel Arc RGB mousepad and spend some time of my day on the Intel Insiders Discord. Not a sellout yet, but I think I will stick. Intel Arc Xe2 LGP is kinda an APU that is likely coming to their CPUs in the next 2 years.

[@ZestyLemonSauce]

Openvino works on Linux too. Also the Intel pytorch extension is more trouble than it's worth since it's based on an old version.

[@nogussy]

@@Veptis You should probably buy gaming gear before you buy gaming bling

[@Veptis]

@@nogussy Didn't buy any of it. Won a 700$ value price from Intel and that included an Intel Arc die trophy

[@nogussy]

@@Veptis Oh wow, thats cool

[@JetJL]

Just got an arc a750 of these cards recently as a hold over as I'm giving my old rig with my 3080 to my best friend. Not sure if it was the Arc software, but I had VAC issues when trying to play competitive CS:GO with the ARC software. Otherwise, it does everything that my 3080 did for most of my gaming, will be holding out for other cards later on.

[@elonwong]

Might be caused by the dxvk layer in the drivers… gamernexus did mention the uplift in dx9 was gained using dxvk implemented in the drivers

[@TechnicalGamingChannel]

I'm a professional editor and I bought an ARC GPU for my encoding NAS box since it's the cheapest way to get hardware AV1 encoding right now. If I was going to buy a 4080 or whatever, I'd be putting it in my gaming PC too. But so far ARC has been VERY reliable as an encoding card. H.264 performance is slower than my 3080ti, but AV1 is a godsend for my work since I edit 4k 60FPS footage that eats up a ton of space. Being able to batch convert footage to AV1 overnight and shrink everything down is phenomenal and I haven't had any major issues doing that since I installed it a couple months ago. I got the lowest tier ARC GPU and for $150 in a production environment it's kind of an absolutely insane value. I really think if you're in need of a video encoding card for say a plex library or editing, ARC is the most bang for your buck option, especially if AV1 matters to you. Nvidia and AMD have been riding their high price horse for FAR too long and even at $300 the 770 is, to me, a killer deal for gaming. Yeah, their drivers are still a bit messy, but honestly, I don't think it's the sort of stuff the average person would notice that HASN'T been well documented by Intel already. I'd guess by the time V2 launches their drivers will be on par or better than Nvidia's and AMDs. Intel has FU money and a bottomless pit of talent to throw at this project. It's only going to be a win win for consumers if they stick to their current pricing model of "you pay for the FPS you get, not the name on the tin"

[@TechnicalGamingChannel]

@MR.AVERAGE You must not know much then

[@marxmaiale9981]

Been using the a380 since end of August 2022, I didn't experience most the issues that youtube people talk about. I believe this is due to A) I run it on a I5 12400 (No K, no F) likely a target machine with compatibility baked in B) Clean Install vs a test bench that has remnants of lots of other mature drivers. The initial drivers were bad, but they addressed the really bad issues quickly once reported. 3rd party software support has been sporadic but getting better. Most importantly the CPU roadmap has the integrated graphics changing to tiled graphics utilizing what appears to be a variation of Arc graphics. I would definitely not recommend these to someone who just picked up an used computer for cheap, but yes for a current gen (Intel 12th gen+ or AMD AM5+) system.

[@Frostaqak]

You do a fantastic job of keeping me updated on the state of the market of pc parts. The fact is when it comes to performance metrics it's just easier to go to a larger more dedicated channel who benchmark all day every day. Your channel is invaluable for when I want to keep my tech knowledge ticking over nicely

[@offbeat4772]

I bought an A770 on launch day and I've been generally pleased. I've had issues a couple times with my monitors, but I think it's because my setup is weird, and it always was fixed by just unplugging the monitor and plugging it back in. Honestly, the biggest issue I've had so far is games not recognizing the card and claiming that it doesn't support DX12 or something. I've been able to work around this usually by using DXVK, but it's pretty infrequent and not too big of a deal unless one of the few games that don't recognize it are vital to you and DXVK doesn't fix it. I'll probably upgrade to another Arc next time I feel the need to upgrade. As a side note, some raytracing stuff seems to break easily, but most of the stuff I've tested were tech demos from a while ago so I think they're looking for nvidia specific cards or something, and I never really use it anyways. Who does really? I've also been a little confused when people keep mentioning how we desperately need a third competitor in the GPU space. I fully support the added competition, but it's not exactly like AMD is equivalent to Nvidia. If people really wanted competition, they could've just been buying the AMD cards that make up less than like 20% of the market. It seems like people are pretending that the GPU space is dominated by Nvidia and AMD rather than realizing that it's really just Nvidia. Plus, it seems likely to me that Intel is going to cut into the small market AMD still has, further killing that portion of the company.

[@brentw8365]

You're right that Intel doesn't have much of a track record in the discrete graphics card market, but I wonder what could've been if they improved performance & compatibility on their integrated graphics (either Intel UHD or Iris XE), before Arc came out. On another note, aside from Larrabee, there's 2 other efforts that people forget: a) the DG1 dGPU since it only got released to OEM, and b) the Devil Canyon Intel NUC that had integrated AMD Radeon Vega graphics, probably too obscure at this point.

[@mediumplayer1]

Honestly, I would say that the 6500XT videos haven't done so well because everyone was making videos about it and it became a chore to watch. I haven't been seeing a lot of stuff about ARC cards lately, so my guess is that if Philip would make a video about one, people would watch it, because it would be something new.

[@Punisher9419]

I am very much lookign forward to Intel's GPU's. If their prices can carry on being behind the competition they will be for ciertain my next upgrade. As long as the drivers keep maturing and they must work with older games.

[@iLife64]

I am currently holding off on Arc because most of the PC games I play are DX8,9, and 10

[@atrombonist]

the linus - philip shoutouts going back and forth right now :)

[@existentialselkath1264]

All I need in a gpu is RTX comparable raytracing tech with an actually competent amount of Vram. Ive been rocking a 2060 super and it does everything I need it to at 1440p. The main thing I often have to turn down isn't even raytracing, it's texture quality. If a 2060 is hitting its 8gb vram limit, what's the point in anything more powerful if it's still so limited?

[@lordshitpost31]

I bought a 2060 last month and told a friend about it, he pestered me with A750 even though he has a 3070ti, I took my time, did my research, returned my 2060 and got an A750 and I'm so glad I took him seriously. If your cpu and mboard support re-bar, Arc is the way to go, nothing to think about.

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@lordshitpost31 I mainly use my gpu for 3d art rendering and gamedev which is extremely RT heavy and involves a lot of specific hardware acceleration besides that that no other cards have. Thats the problem right now. AMD and Intel are great comprtetors, but ONLY in gaming. We need more competition in productivity

[@lordshitpost31]

@@existentialselkath1264 Yeah you might be right, I have yet to render a video for my channel and test the performance

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@lordshitpost31 I'm rendering raytraced images, but if you need to render videos, thats probably one of the things Arc is actually better at. It's got support for the new codec I can't remember the name of rn

[@forestrf]

Intel did make gpus before, iGPUs, which I suppose are similar enough driver-wise. The problem is, I think, their new architecture for gpus wasn't as well carried as amd and nvidia do their own new architectures

[@casedistorted]

Now THATS a YT algorithm thumbnail! And keep it up Intel, we are all rooting for more competition so the prices overall can be brought down and Nvidia will one day be shook off the throne. Nvidia cards are great, but their attitude of screwing their customers to make money doesn’t sit well with anyone except their share holders and CEO captain leather jacket man.

[@bojinglebells]

one problem with your analysis is that I dont believe that Intel created Arc to compete in the $200-300 price point, instead I think they were hoping to get more of a 3070/6700 level of performance and an MSRP closer to $500, if not higher; the A750/770 are based off of a GPU that has more transistors and is physically larger than both the GA-104 based 3060Ti/3070/3070Ti, as well as the Navi-22 based RX 6700s, and yet performance often falls more in line with the even smaller GA-106 and Navi-23, which is why they're reluctant to price them as low as they should be priced relative to their actual performance + early growing pains that the early adopters have to put up with. is Arc viable for the consumer in this price range? Yes, it certainly has value, but if Intel is eating a loss of an expected +~$200 on each GPU, is it viable for Intel? I seriously hope they continue to improve, but I think we are going to need to see some major generational improvement from them in order to expect to see them stick around.

[@canonwright8397]

Arc is not a failer. This is the way you get into the GPU market. I hope other companies are watching. If Intel is successful, it could mean a resurgence of new graphics cards like we had in the nineteen nineties.

[@kelownatechkid]

Honestly I'm just waiting for the linux support to improve and for plex support, then I'm definitely gonna get one

[@lenniebrookes9393]

Ive had a a770 since launch, its plays everything ive wanted and more, the older games sucked at first I say sucked, played like they did back in the day but not as well as they should of, they have gotten much much better. I wouldnt recomend anyone buy a a770 when really a 6600xt or a 6700xt would be a better choice for power and a 3060 for features, but at that lower band the a750 is in, without a doubt yea id reccomend that. I have next to no issues with the A770 now, the only gripe i could have would be my emulation, if there isnt a vulkan api it tends to suck.

[@gauderr]

you shouldve provided a link to that promised source 2 speculation videos

[@stevethepocket]

I think a big part of the reason Intel has been able to address so many issues with driver updates is the same reason their cards performed so poorly out of the box. Something like 90% of any given graphics card's driver at this point is bugfixes not for the card or the driver, but for the games themselves. Modern games ship in a horribly buggy state, and rather than expect devs to get off their asses and fix their own bugs, AMD and Nvidia compete to see who can integrate better workarounds into their "drivers" so they can brag that their cards run the games better. Intel has decades' worth of such hotfixes to catch up to after years of making perfectly serviceable chips that no one expected to be able to run games with in the first place.

[@EbonySaints]

As an owner of an A380 since November, I can say that its encoding performance is absolutely bonkers, transcoding modern digital films at 1080p with well over 200 FPS in AV1. Older films tend to get bogged down with all the grain and such and cut the performance in half, but a side-by-side comparison shot to the BD file is completely indistinguishable (to me at least) with down to 1/4th of the bitrate. The thing is the best "bang for your buck" card for that task on the market, considering all the Arc cards have the same encoding setup. I've also heard that the Arc line ain't too bad at stable diffusion, though I haven't tested it and probably won't in the near future. I'm too complacent on Win10 at the moment with the drivers finally coming into their own a bit. Gaming wise... it's a slightly better 1650 with ray-tracing at stock settings and an almost 1060/580 overclocked to ~2700Mhz. I wouldn't recommend it for gaming alone unless you really have no more money to spend and can't/won't buy used. I think that it's the best card in the

[@Jack-qj2pr]

I bought an A770 LE just over a month ago, and the Windows drivers have certainly gotten better (and they've finally got rid of the overlay control panel and you can move the window around now). Still has annoying bugs like spamming me with pointless notifications. On Linux, with the introduction of kernel 6.2, the card "just works" for most things. OpenCL and Vulkan are functional though some games ran via Proton exhibit graphical bugs (DOOM 2016 on i3 window manager, is one instance of this). Ray-tracing and hardware encode support seems to not be present on Linux at the moment either, nor does Blender let you use the card for acceleration (whereas on Windows you can). You cannot read GPU temperatures or fan speeds on Linux either. For general desktop use, it's great though there's still a long way to go on the driver side before I'd consider it mature.

[@lordshitpost31]

You could turn off the notifications from the app, I was annoyed too until I looked around and found the option in the app.

[@TheBrutaline]

Really looking forward to a hands on video with the card when you do eventually get one. Can't wait to see you do all kinds of weird and old games on the card.

[@lordshitpost31]

I've been playing old games like FO4, ME: Andromeda and whatnot because I couldn't when they came out, I've noticed very rare glitches, like one rock not rendering or very rare frame drop, overall it's as good as 3060, with latest driver something weird happened, didn't get an fps boost but it became a lot more stable and I think ray tracing or something changed, started to look like a lot more cinematic.

[@ziizoraka4985]

with FSR being open source i dare say intel would have been better off without wasting dev time on XeSS. they could always come in later and make something of their own after they take any significant GPU market share, but as things are, there are no incentives for devs to even impliment XeSS outside of intel paying them to include it. it just makes more sence to focus on the software that matters when you can piggy back off of FSR in the mean time

[@therealkarokun]

After watching so many reviews, I can say that intel's arc cards are quite scary for amd and nvidia. The fact that they are a new competitor on this space and they already earned 9% of the GPU market share tells you something. With constant driver optimizations (which is expected since it's a new card) improves everytime and so much more, I can say it can really shake the market.

[@JustinTimeCuber]

6:10 very minor point but I'm pretty sure that the first digit is following the 3/5/7 division similar to Core i3, i5, i7, so there probably would not be a B850. Although I'm curious whether there will be a B9xx card kinda like their i9 CPU tier.

[@JustinTimeCuber]

@@2kliksphilip Fair enough, I was just saying a B9xx card would be more likely than a B8xx because they usually use odd numbers for their product tiers.

[@nemesisrtx]

Even with the "poor" performance of their GPUs, I kinda still have high hopes for their upcomming GPUs, they somehow managed to get a very good raw performance while still being way cheaper than Nvidia or even AMD

[@Dirty_Dumb_NAFO_Scum]

There is a lot of room for improvement.

[@InnuendoXP]

They 'managed' it by making immense financial losses & having a larger die on a smaller node as a 3070Ti in a card competing in retail price & performance with the 3060. It's crazy impressive what they've managed to even touch RDNA2 & Ampere's performance range at all & that must've taken an immense amount of work, but they're competing with 20 years of iterative dGPU driver development and it shows.

[@zimboiii9025]

because if the cards were any more expensive Intel GPUs would legit be DOA

[@lordshitpost31]

Yeah that "poor" performance is way better than Nvidia equivalent, I returned my 2060 to buy A750, didn't regret for a millisecond.

[@WiewiurTV]

Hey philip, will you cover Edge Upscaling videos as alternative on VSR?

[@c6m]

Do you really still not get review samples despite the pivot to this type of content on this channel for a while now? Crazy!

[@davidbischi]

also blender raytacing still doesnt use the RT cores to accelerate. same with amds RT dedicated hardware. so alot of 3d artists outright dismiss everything but nvidia, making (game) development even more nvidia focused.

[@TheBlakeypoos]

Have to disagree with comparing 6500xt video to a potential arc770 video, 6500xt was deemed bad (if you were on pice3) and wasn’t very interesting beyond a few tests testing bandwidth/bottleneck due to the x4 pcie lanes. Arc770 far more interesting, pretty sure as a whole any arc770 video has more views than a 6500xt video, I don’t know about anyone else but as a bit of a tech nerd I look up arc benchmarks on new release games just out of interest even though I don’t have one and don’t intend to get one this gen as I don’t need one (I got no balls’ed in to buying a 4090)

[@azur1o]

My problem with the ARC cards is that the a310 is not available anywhere in EU. I just wanted a cheap video transcoding Card :(

[@defnotatroll]

Some of those cards intel have listed on their website just don't exist anywhere. Specifically the mobile ones, a350m, a570m, a770m, nowhere to be found. It's as though Intel cancelled their release

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@defnotatroll they cancelled a lot. on desktop too

[@thegooddoctor6719]

Great Review - Spot on perspective IMHO.....

[@Transgenic86]

I find it interesting that Intel is having these driver problems. And here I am with my AMD card and *begging* for updated drivers to fix a handful of glaring problems that plague me every day. 😭😭

[@Right1994]

"So the big, ongoing thing is the drivers" Cries in broken AMD drivers for RX 7000 series causing VR performance to be about 25-40% of what it should be since december.

[@kyperactive]

The problem with the Intel Arc: Its Cheap and it works, clearly unforgivable 😎

[@pneumaofficial9581]

I grew up without computers, but thats not because of being unaware or uninterested, the top of the line for me has always been unreachable. But I've always kept at least aware of what pricing is at launches, and I'm glad intel is entering this market. We need someone to stand with AMD against Nvidia pricing before they get too rich to fail and never need to lower prices / provide better cache sizes.

[@quad8383]

competition is always good, hope to bring down prices to 2008 standards

[@notjustforhackers4252]

Been working just fine in Linux 6.1 and the git version of MESA even in Wayland.

[@shepardpolska]

Saying XeSS works better on intel cards is an understatement. Used it in Warzone 2.0, the game looked worse then FSR 1.0 performence mode, not only the textures were blurry, but at the same time it oversharpened every edge and contrasting shadow to the point it just looked like a low poly game. And Alchemist is quite literally second iteration of their current try, it's a second gen product. DG1 was Iris XE, while DG2 is alchemist. It's like saying Navi 1 doesn't count and Navi 2 is first gen because the former didn't have a full lineup. But don't think I don't wish Intel well, I am an AMD fan personally, but that doesn't change the fact that having intel in the GPU space can't hurt anything, all it can do is help the consumers at this point.

[@AntonioZL]

Honestly, as long as there's no artificial supply bottleneck, a three-way competition will do wonders for the horrid prices GPU we've been dealing with for a while now.

[@chrism2964]

'They have no track record' isn't really true. They regularly update the iGPU drivers. If anything this is pretty impressive in itself because it is only an iGPU that really only needs to chuck out a basic image 90% of the time. My mothers PC is ancient, running a 4000 series i3 CPU with iGPU, but its still being updated.

[@LouisDuran]

I just received my A750 today. Can't wait to build the rest of the PC. Going with a i5 13500 CPU in a SFF PC.

[@DJSekuHusky]

@7:00 Why is the Acer Predator card £1599 when they were selling as low as the Intel LE version for a while?

[@erricro3198]

EY, PHILLIP! Where are the AI vids at man? ai's progressing faster than 2 minute papers can make videos to cover it!

[@utiuandy99]

How is the situation now with the intel arc? I am looking to finally upgrade my pc and I am struggling to choose between AMF and Intel.

[@Pet_Hedgehog]

arc cards look so delicious, i want them to succeed!!

[@Razzy_III]

I can't find this *anywhere*, but do you know if vtubing apps have any issues with ARC? Having streamer friends ask if they're a viable cheap card for stream capturing/AV1 encoding and running the face tracking on a second PC. Apparently even 3080s struggle to do it all in one with good game perf in some cases (plus no AV1).

[@Mtaalas]

Nvidia and AMD drivers are hundreds of megabytes of weird and esoteric fixes for PARTICULAR software (games, applications etc.) where the developers of those software use the hardware or the API _WRONG_, thus either tanking the performance or causing glitches. So instead of AMD and nVidia telling the devs to fix their software, the fixes are done ont he fly in the drivers themselves, that's why they're so huge in size. And this is something new players like Intel don't have. Decades worth of fixes and optimizations for specific software, because Intel has taken the approach of "this is our API, if you use it wrong, it's on you and we only fix things if it's really our drivers problem, but we will NOT add code to our driver to fix your new AAA-game so it works better and faster because there's no business case for us to do it..." But nVidia and AMD make money by claiming the "performance king" on the newest and hottest game / app and they HAVE to fix the mistakes devs do, because if they don't, gamers don't buy their cards. It's ass backwards approach, but that's been the reality for decades. This is why the nVidia and AMD drivers are proprietary and why linux and open source drivers are so flaky and bad. Because programmers do bad, unstable, inefficient code that has to be fixed program by program basis. So blame the programmers of the games and apps, not intel.

[@AcidBombYT]

I picked up a750 for $140 on black friday and im blown away by it. Especially Quicksync with OBS is nice. Didnt even realize I would have that until I tried it. The only issue I see is vram gets super hot because they used a vapor chamber thats connected to the actual core. Im going to just watercool it with extra cpu waterblock I have and then it will be perfect.

[@jamesharvey44]

I bought the A770 LE a few months ago out of curiosity and tried it in 4 different PCs. Overall, it is a good GPU and is a great choice for standard desktop graphics. If all you do is game you might need to look elsewhere for now, but gaming performance is improving and most of my titles work just fine. On my old Xeon workstation, there was no resizable bar option and it had 10% less performance than on the newer PCs, but if you are replacing an older GPU like a Quadro K5000 or K6000 or GTX970 or 1060 you saw a gain in performance even on the old workstation. We all want Intel to succeed in the market, but they need us to buy one, I fear the lack of sales will doom the project to abandonment. If you are looking for a mid-level GPU, give it a try and report any issues to Intel as the more data they have the faster the fixes come.

[@shrapnel6818]

intel also just dropped the price of thew a770 to $269. the price to performance over a 3060 is insane (assuming your drivers dont funk out)

[@manaberry]

Intel ARC is a benediction. As NVIDIA drives the price of their GPUs up because they are greedy fcks, Intel starts to fill the hole of the entry/mid GPUs market. It's gonna take a bit of time to have Intel delivering rock-solide drivers, but that will get there eventually. It's great news to have a third player in the party. NVIDIA doesn't want low-budget customers? Perfect. We don't want their overpriced GPUs lacking memory and power optimization either.

[@dazeja]

Still audio pops and cracks with resizable bar enabled. They are having a difficult time fixing this problem that they’ve known about since it came out and is on it’s known bug list. For now I use it with that setting disabled meaning I don’t get the enhance video capabilities.

[@ouroesa]

Intel is quickly catching up, I'm very impressed. I caved and bought a RTX 4070ti last month after being stuck on a 2060 for almost 4 years. I tried to hold out but couldn't. Not proud of myself but it is very satisfying being able to play games @ 1440p at a decent framerate. I'm also running it at ~70% max power.

[@Wieprzek]

Not proud of yourself for buying a graphics card? bruh, u spent money you earned on something you wanted, wheres the issue

[@eniff2925]

Dude I have a 1660 super and im fine for the next 5 years

[@boumex8842]

I am still not sure about Intels desktop cards but I am really excited about the laptop integration.

[@lordshitpost31]

They're really good, exceeded my expectations in almost every way.

[@Kiyuja]

Lets be honest the actual power Intel is giving you for its asking price is really good. Once you look past potential bugs its actually good. They already beat AMD in upscaling and RT. Maybe once next gen rolls around they get better legacy API support and have mature drivers to a point where I cannot recommend in good faith to buy AMD in the lower end...that'd be nuts

[@BibiBubuish]

I think they’ve done alright since this is the first generation. They got a lot of things right. I guess they should have been much cheaper since they have many problems still.

[@supermariorocks1000]

I got an a770 16gb and it’s been awesome reminds me of the old amd drivers not that big of a deal plus having a 3rd player is good for everybody I play hogwarts legacy in 4K on it with no issues

[@Obie327]

Hey 2kiksphilip!, Thanks for the video on ARK. I just today picked up the Intel ARK A770 16 gig vesion and figuring out what I have currently to upgrade from my GTX 1080. Hopefully this goes smoothly?

[@Obie327]

@@2kliksphilip I'm seeing some nice performance bumps.. The ARK is faster than 1080ti. I'm very early in my testing with the A770 but seeing good increases over the GTX 1080.

[@yasunakaikumi]

after 9months past when you made this video, im glad to say that as an A770 16GB user, im pretty much satisfied and only thing I would say to new buyers is, do not buy a G-sync monitor if you will use AMD or Intel GPU since they really dont play together (and im those unlucky users who bought it because it was 50% off sale lol)

[@octopusknives]

My only complaint (besides the drivers which are better now) is an obscure bug/quirk with waking from sleep. I believe the big is due to having dual monitors, one plugged into displayport and one HDMI. When going to sleep the HDMI seems to disconnect and when waking the HDMI reconnects. This normally does not cause me any issue, except when connected to Citrix virtual desktop. Since the HDMI monitor disconnects, the Citrix receiver removes the second monitor and shuffles the windows to the primary monitor.

[@IAMNOTRANA]

Insane philip isn't real. Insane philip in thumbnail:

[@TheBazzterd]

The fact that Intel is already on the same level as AMD GPU market share wise, says a lot. Definitely a card i keep my eye out for when building a new pc.

[@Lussimio]

They're not. They overcounted by a lot. search it up.

[@teardowndan5364]

I doubt Intel can sell the A770 for much below $250 before eating significant losses. 400sqmm of silicon plus all of the other stuff on the card before you add all of the logistics and on-going driver development isn't exactly cheap. Even the A750 at $200 would be a stretch. Intel's best bet is to improve its drivers so the A750 more consistently performs on par with the 6650XT+ and RTX3060+ which would solidly justify its $250 price tag.

[@el3ctr1c4l]

The biggest disappointment was the lack of native HDMI 2.1 hardware support, so no 4K 120hz 10bit HDR ...shame. I hope they've learned their lesson and do better next time.

[@australienski6687]

I want to get one, but the driver issues worries me. I play a lot of older games that might never be supported.

[@wkGeoff]

Can anyone tell me how many FPS a 770 would get in a game like borderlands 3 (assuming no other bottlenecks) ?

[@DiamondDepthYT]

Now they just need VR support

[@GlowingOrangeOoze]

There used to be a 3-way competition in the graphics card market? Between who? The current players and Voodoo, maybe...? I always thought of Voodoo as living in its own time sphere.

[@nimrodery]

ATI, Voodoo Labs, Matrox? I'm speculating.

[@mz-hv2vh]

I love hearing Philip talk about GPUs (and CPUs)

[@wehavetogoback369]

I honestly wouldn't mind getting an Intel/Intel laptop in the future to have some skin in that ecosystem.

[@MrVidification]

Just keep using the intel arc forum forms to report issues when it comes to games and other software if you want fixes, but overall it seems to be a decent budget card, temporary until prices lower, until next Arc gpu or otherwise

[@runforitman]

I hope they use this to improve their integrated graphics because they have been a joke for years buying a laptop with Intel integrated graphics and not feeling like you're buying something that will struggle to run minecraft would be nice

[@meuhtalgear]

Everybody benchmarks the a770 but i wanna know more about the 750 :(