My Response to Jonathan Pageau: A Priest Sex Abuse Survivor Speaks Out

[@KatAdVictoriam]

I feel compelled to comment. I watch your channel fairly frequently and I've seen your posts on Twitter in the past and the very strong hostility you've garnered in your replies, which I find disheartening. That said -- I find it troubling that you've recieved the reaction that most SA survivors receive, myself included. My perpetrator was a "Good Catholic" and no one wanted to believe me. That man stalked me to another state before I finally called the police and instead of facing charges for breaking into my home (the SA had happened months previously) he fled the state and there was no justice for me. He died a few years ago and that news let me finally feel some closure and I spoke to a crisis counselor for the first time. It really hurt to know how dismissive people are. I speak of my own family. So many false allegations have tainted the few who have truly suffered. Anyway - My point is, the reaction is always the same, "Well, it's in the past, forgive and forget. Just let it go. Never talk about it. Never address any issues related to it. Move on already, would you?" That's what I see here. Jonathan doesn't really want to address "controversial" topics like this one. There is nothing wrong with some pushback on this kind of thing but Jonathan is not a pushback kind of person. Unless its on Twitter towards you, apparently. I also find the platforming of Spencer Klavan troubling. In fact, I find it so troubling that there are too many people out there platforming one another for "saying the right things" or claiming to be "on their side" in a political/ideological way when in fact, their faith and lifestyle are in direct opposition to one another. Why would you promote someone to your audience who lives and espouses the very thing we are told to flee from? Then they'll call you judgmental and a rigorist and not open to other viewpoints, right? You can't win. I am praying for you Joseph. Much love in Christ and God bless you.

[@nathankirwan2565]

Im sorry Joseph, I really take a lot from Pageau's work but this has not been handled well. You have my support and prayers. God willing you will be able to converse over the topic and make mends.

[@helpIthinkmylegsaregone]

Pageau enjoys his Peterson-fame too much. He would never go against any of these people except his his typical effeminate "well, I see it a little bit different" kind of way, even when confronted with the most obnoxious heresies and blasphemies. His content might be good to get normies interested but he's not a leading figure for Orthodox Christians at all.

[@phy7904]

Your work is faithful. I always appreciate it. You are putting a light on some very important deficiencies. The way you have been treated as a childhood abuse survivor (and advocate for protecting children from institutional sexual abuse) by people who should do better and have greater insight is sobering.

[@Ditendo64]

This was definitely difficult to listen to. I am sorry to hear that two internet personalities that I enjoy listening to have had such a bad interaction. I appreciate all of the work that you do to educate people on homosexuality with regard to Christianity, and I hope to see some good come of all of this. I will keep both you and Pageau in my thoughts and prayers.

[@BarbaPamino]

I can have friendly engagements with normal every day cultural western heretics, but have no willingness to engage with hierarchs from that tradition. These are people that absolutely should know better and still refuse to accept basic truth.

[@BarbaPamino]

​@@nonnymoose6260I also will never refer to them as Roman or Catholic. There's nothing about the current Vatican that qualifies for that. But I have no qualms with old Irish or Portugese ladies who were raised to only know what they know. And we have plenty of our own problems with clergy that don't defend the true faith and even cozy up to the Vatican. Their condemnation isn't up to me, nor am I even hoping such a thing. But when I see blatant heresy I notice and keep it in mind. I pray a grand reckoning will come and repent and re-Communion will proceed.

[@joannorton775]

You’re a brave man. This is eye opening. Keep up the good work. ☦️

[@dutchamerican2941]

I have always felt off about B Barron. Could never put my finger on it but there is a level of dishonesty there and it’s unfortunate but predictable that certain individuals want to ride off B Barrons coattails for publicity and money making. God Bless Joseph 🙏🏻☦️

[@UnlistedLogos]

I agree about boomer barron

[@exposingpowerfullieslivest5082]

This was very hard to watch, but thank you for sharing your experiences. It takes courage, may God bless you

[@cozzwozzle]

God bless you Joseph. I think your criticisms are valid, and although I don’t think JP was inherently responsible for challenging Baron , the way he responded to you was abysmal. Child SA by a priest who has been ordained as a Shepard for Christ is absolutely vile and reprehensible. ❤️☦️

[@thattimestampguy]

0:01 Why make this video? 0:38 The Impetus is Lil Nas’ music video titled _Montero_ 1:10 Came across a Johnathan Pageau video. Didn’t agree with it. 1:57 Jordan Peterson’s comments about Homosexuality. 2:33 Joseph Sciambra wants to Backtrack to discuss this. 3:11 Pageau “punched down” on social media. Because it creates a pile on, on Twitter. People just make nasty comments about the person being Punched Down on. An outnumbering. 4:33 “I couldn’t respond. He blocked me.” *On Sexual Abuse* 4:51 Our word is all we have. That is the nature of X abuse crimes. 5:31 80% of victims are young men or boys. - Difficult to prosecute - Very little evidence to prosecute with *Jordan Peterson* 7:00 Canada Law C-16, Enforcing Pronouns Speech.🎤 8:04 Intriguing Paternal Patriarchal Persona to young disenfranchised men. 8:37 “Clean Your Room.” 9:11 Jordan Peterson’s collaboration with Johnathan Pageau 9:35 Jordan Peterson’s speaking with Roman Catholic Bishop Robert Barron. 10:22 Joseph Sciambra studied Art History in College. *The Roman Catholic Sexual Abuse Scandal* 11:13 “What is wrong with The Church?” ⛪️ ❔ 11:39 Lots of Roman Catholics were leaving the church. 🇮🇪 12:33 The Irish Church has been hurt by The Roman Catholic Sex Abuse Scandal 🤕 14:13 Bishop Barron “He is the face of Roman Catholicism in The United States right now.” 🇺🇸 ✝️ 17:20 100s of abuse claims went through the secular court system in Los Angeles, large pay outs were paid. 19:16 Female and Homosexual Activists. Heretical Heterodox nuns. 20:22 The Four Horsemen of Meaning. 21:22 2001-2002 Roman Catholic Abuse Scandal. 23:14 Priest-Sex Abuse Survivors. 24:49 Went to The Gay Community at 18 years old. Lived Gay life for over a decade. Got involved in self-destructive stuff. 26:20 “I’m not interested in that anymore.” 26:45 TLM: Traditional Latin Mass Priests. Conservative. Upholding Traditional Beliefs. Following The Rule of St. Benedict. 28:07 Go talk to the person you’re concerned with personally. 28:45 Orthodox Catechuman Joseph Sciambra

[@chookiechooks]

As someone who has read the transcripts of abuse cases, the part about the priest giving the presentation about how to spot gay children was chilling - made my skin crawl. Clearly, it was to force them into this identity - and I doubt the kid will not hear about the dark side - including sinfulness - of these acts. They're putting together a harem of boys to share. The fact that the priest snapped at the nun makes me think he really thinks girls are icky.

[@anastasiakalivas2321]

Thanks for this video Joseph. I value your voice and your courage. Thanks for your ministry to the LGBT community and for exposing the ongoing promotion of evil within the Catholic Church. - The promotion of transgenderism at the L.A. Educational Conference was truly disturbing. - It is more important than ever for us to speak the Truth. God bless you. Good strength this Lent!

[@magdalenem123]

I have always had reservations about Pageau that i couldn'tout my finger on, this helps affirm why I have felt he is off. Thank you Joseph.

[@robinlevy1629]

Pageau just feels gnostic to me. Edit: A family friend who turned out to be a pedophile recommended his videos to me. Wonder why?

[@MontanaBotFarmer]

Same.

[@Jeem196]

That is due to his extreme emphasis on poetry and symbolism over theology-proper. @@robinlevy1629

[@thenaturalhuman9568]

Same.. yes something off

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

I listened to this entire video. I empathize with you. I can’t understand why JP cozies up with Barron given the general view of Orthodox Christianity towards the RCC. Is it all just more of the Ecumenist Spirit that will have it’s culmination with a “reunion” in 2025?

[@orthodoxiechretiennefrance2487]

Thanks for your video Joseph God bless you

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

Accompaniment = Hold people’s hands as they are on their way to Hell? Not Love. I’m so glad a RC priest finally told me to stop fornicating in 1996. The one I went to for help in 1984 did not. 😢🙏🏻☦️

[@kbeetles]

I am sorry but what has Jonathan Pageau got to do with sex scandals within the Catholic church? He is interested in and so his channel is dedicated to exploring symbolism, symbolic patterns in the Bible, mythology and Beauty and its role in society. I really do not want to dismiss your concerns, I just cannot understand why Pageau should suddenly get into investigating sex scandals within the Catholic church.... what has it got to do with his area?

[@JosephSciambra]

Silence = complicity. josephsciambra.com/social-media-influencers-and-the-complicity-of-the-silent/

[@Hreodrich]

@@JosephSciambranot to downplay what the catholic church has done but this article just seems like a verbose emotional appeal to guilt by association. Strangely I find myself agreeing and disagreeing at the same time.

[@JosephSciambra]

Offering a platform to the corrupt Bishop Barron so he can rehabilitate his sick organization - is that guilt by association? @@Hreodrich

[@UnlistedLogos]

@@JosephSciambraI always thought Jonathan had interesting content, but him platforms these other people raises some eyebrows. Do you think he is a bit of a subversive ecumenist?

[@RealPigeonTalk]

​​@@UnlistedLogosare you familiar with ARC? It's Jordan Peterson's little antichrist millennialism heresy project. Pageau is part of the advisory board. Also, four horsemen of meaning? Featuring a transhumanist, a Roman Catholic, a man who has rejected orthodoxy and doesn't even appear to believe in Christ, and Pageau? Obviously no one can read his heart, but Pageau is super sketchy on the ecumenism front, to the point of taking his shoes off in a mosque while letting a Muslim talk smack about The Lord. Doesn't really engage with the more solid online orthosphere, Father Turbo, Fr Heers and such. There are a lot of red flags with the guy.

[@ChibiBoxing]

Love Pageau stuff, but this is a bad look for him.

[@David-in2ur]

Pageau's proximity to Peterson and Zionists puts him into question

[@eikon7001]

I tried listening to JP since he is an apparently popular Orthodox Christian, but nothing edifying or enlightening was found there. I’m definitely an idiot at times but have no reason to suspect I’m actually stupid, and I was mostly hearing nonsense obscured in verbosity (ironically similar to hearing the other more famous JP speak). My exposure is somewhat limited and obviously some find his contribution valuable; but I don’t see it so it’s not for me. Edit: After actually watching the video, the decision not to waste time tuning into the ‘symbolic world’ ramblings is more satisfying.

[@esmeraldamoreiragallardo]

I know right ?😂 Both Pageau and Peterson just say either nonsense or they just state the obvious. Obvious things that only sound intellectual to people that aren't that bright or people that just never have read or heard anything that's really intellectual challenging. For the last group it may be a way to get into more deeper things/ get them into looking into other ideas than what the mainstream media/ establishment tells them. Kind of like a catalyst to exploring other ideas out there. It did to some,I may ad. Good for them😊 Greetings!

[@nathankirwan2565]

@@esmeraldamoreiragallardo I'm simple, I find benefit in many of his videos. Particularly ones featuring Richard Rohlin.

[@honeymilk4160]

I agree with this! Always felt the same.

[@Sumabus]

@@nathankirwan2565Richard Rohlin is good but JP contributes very little to those conversations.

[@Christianity_and_Perennialism]

He started out very good and relatively concise but as he became more popular I guess he felt compelled to put out more content to meet the demand, and that’s when the verbosity and mountains and mountains of content began. I don’t know how his fans listen to it all or even a little of it.

[@josephjude1290]

Great channel and thanks for always offering good and informative videos

[@Sarasarah3]

☦️Bless you brother, keep up the great work

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

I continue to hold out my invitation for you to come hang out with us at the San Jose Candle Company factory/ Blessed Seraphim Rose Orthodox Ascetic Strugglers Refuge in Jamestown CA. I’d love to talk to you about what my Dad went through in the RCC from the 50s until Vatican 2 and beyond…

[@adamnice-kj9bo]

I think that you're brave and appreciate your voice.

[@patriciazander2072]

Dear Joseph....God bless you for fighting the good fight....I am glad you are keeping our social media icons under a strong light...we are all fallen and the power these people now have is considerable and will likely compromise them...

[@askandanswer1503]

Unfortunately one of the vest ways to handle a crisis is not to handle it at all just keep doing good and peoole forgive you or at that's what I've learned from KZbin

[@juliagriffiths3291]

So sorry for your pain. Xxx

[@robinlevy1629]

St. Hermogenes of Moscow, pray to God for us!

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

We’ll see if I get to meet JP near here soon…🙏🏻

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

Thank you Joseph

[@thenaturalhuman9568]

As my neighbor put it, at this point what the CC did is so massive that association = guilt

[@thenaturalhuman9568]

They are def trying to repair the image and selling the CC to their young viewers.. it will cause more victims

[@maxe.miller6301]

Jonathan comes off as narcissistic ... this is from someone who has never listened to or cared to listen to a single word he has had to say. There is something off and wrong about him that puts me off

[@jeffinjapan9005]

Just curious, are you Catholic or Orthodox?

[@JosephSciambra]

Orthodox.

[@OrthodoxInquiry]

I never liked Pageau and now my opinion is vindicated.