My Response to the Jubilee Video

[@Candies1Creations]

We need to see the unedited version

[@RelleUnique]

Yes please!!!!

[@francis-1002]

If they cut it for real , it's obvious that they might have done for it for a reason and no one is gonna see it except them.

[@dundermifflinscott2217]

Well wouldn't that be silly. You can't show biases if u show unedited conversations

[@dundermifflinscott2217]

Good lord, the liberal side was so focused on their victim status. Even if their was a LGBt utopia. Liberals will still find a way to be a victim.

[@dusoleildhiver6651]

It must have felt really weird to be sitting with arielle again after all those years.

[@francesca6124]

There’s a reason I don’t bother watching jubilee videos. Division has been sewn in literally every aspect of society atp. This was very informative Amber, and I hope Jubilee takes notes👀🤧

[@jaded3618]

A channel like Jubilee. It’s literally made for Clickbait, and , and rage bait. People need to realize this, so they can stop watching that channel and stop giving them attention and maybe they can go bankrupt

[@AmbersCloset]

So sad I realized that too late🤦🏽‍♀️

[@aceazar2806]

Rage bait is itttt. ima pay more attention to what titles are for rage bait so I can avoid em

[@anastasiae.5338]

I haven't watched it, but I'm guessing what you and this person stand for just based on your attitude. Silence anyone who doesn't agree with you is really a close-minded way to think. I don't need to know how you guys feel to know it's going to offend me. To insist lesbians need to sleep with men so that man in a dress can get his feelings stroked is gross as hell. I don't have to hear you guys say that to know that's your view. The new (fake) trans people are trying to erase gay people and women in general. The only trans people that deserve your respect are the legitimate ones. The rest are pretending to be trans because they need to be marginalized. Notice how over 90% of the fakes are white, it's because they can't be a minority otherwise. Mutilating children for a fad is not something anyone should support. If they want to cut off their body parts, let them do so when they're old enough to know that's what they really want. There are lots of detransitioners. You know why? Because the majority of so called trans kids are only that way because they've been talked into it. Any decent person would be against mutilation based on a childhood whim. Or even worse, on the whim of an irresponsible parent.

[@biggtk]

But it's not *only* clickbait if it is also underhandedly editing videos to make one side seem more level-headed than the other. People underestimate just how much social media platforms are biased in favor of promoting conservative propaganda.

[@degviela]

​@@AmbersClosetWell dont blame others for the fact that you got reality check from the other Lesbians who dont buy into your gender ideology its easy to blame others for your personal problems maybe look into the mirror you will find a problem.

[@herangellust9603]

I know you said you felt like you didn’t do your best on the episode but I am honestly so proud of you because although I did feel like you held back on speaking you kept yourself composed wayyy better than I would’ve (I would’ve lost my shit honestly) as the other side were very ignorant and rude . I think you did an amazing job defending people in your community and I think you and the other progressives really worked beautifully together to make points stronger as a group. I will stand with you always Amber ! Keep going and keep shining ! 🖤🖤much love

[@herangellust9603]

also, I don’t understand why people tried to drag you on using the word “privilege”, like you said there are different degrees of privilege and someone not being able to see outside of their perspective in the way most of the right sides panel were doing were clear examples of privilege. I hate it when you call someone out on there own privilege to educate them and they take it personal. Like c’monnn y’all we need to do better fr.

[@AmbersCloset]

Thank you🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@ELmayberry]

right.. I definitely would've told them off; just cursing up a storm😤 and would probably be banned from ever appearing on that platform bc someone was gonna get punched 😅

[@doiknowyou6284]

If you can't keep calm when talking to people with opposing views, maybe debating isn't for you.

[@haylie5828]

for reallll!!! like from the edit of it we got to see Amber did such a good job trying; kept cool & collected & was willing to engage in convo genuinely!!. but it sadly was talking to a wall with boarded up windows!!

[@ericah6546]

Jubilee used to be about finding middle ground and now they just try to sow division. I don't like them anymore.

[@cjp592]

I don’t like how the media portrays those who are conservative as 100% conservative or 100% liberal. You’re right Amber there are many issues that liberals and conservatives agree on. I wouldn’t say I am 100% liberal but for social reasons like LGBTQIA, my take is live and let live. It is a human right for people to be able to live their best lives. But if you ask me if taxpayers should be paying for gender conversion? Absolutely no!!!

[@massetozacarias5693]

In my experience, when someone tries to bring up "privilege" as an ad hominem I usually think of another thing that is the same in every variable except the topic what I'm arguing about. It's been quite effective especially in science tests I did back in school.

[@Nak3dTalk]

To be honest, you constantly throwing out "privelege" when you're the kid of a millionaire and grew up in a rich neighborhood blew my mind. Pretty hypocritical and offensive tbh. I also appreciate that you brought up how much they cut out in jubilee. They do lack substance and I'm glad you guys were able to agree and come to middle ground on some things.

[@aiyanasprose]

she acknowledged her own privilege right after mentioning her attempt to add that very specific and fundamental nuance to the conversation. how exactly is that offensive?

[@Nak3dTalk]

@@aiyanasprose the fact that she constantly threw it in somebody else's face, as if she doesn't share that same experience.

[@aiyanasprose]

@@Nak3dTalk she doesn’t though? her wealth/economic privilege does not negate the fact that she presents as a Black person, when that person does not. Intersectionality is a real thing!

[@seekerandthinker]

bullshit, if a conservative white cis straight man with multi-millionaire keep on hinting he is oppressed, you won't say the same thing@@aiyanasprose

[@ohuntermc9321]

@@aiyanasprose She used the privilege card soo many times and mainly at Sasha (a woman of colour)

[@heymikey6]

I paused the Jubilee vid so many times to yell in frustration. It was an absolutely infuriating watch. I’m so sorry the comments were overrun with conservatives with negative feedback. I think you handled yourself very well. I wouldn’t have been able to maintain the composure that you did. You did a great job relating privilege to what they were saying in each example.

[@KJBrewer]

Admittedly, I wasnt able to finish the jubilee vid- i was getting very frustrated and emotional so I stopped. You are amazing! I think you handled yourself extremely well as well as articulated many things that needed to be said. They were being willfully ignorant about a bunch of things, especially about the word privilege. My opinion is that a lot of platforms like theirs are divisive, purposefully. I understand the importance of having these conversations and I believe it's only as productive as the platform and/or its hosts. Otherwise, it feels gross.

[@AmbersCloset]

Thank you!! And yea you’re right….its definitely gross

[@aurora3655]

Controversy makes money. But they couldn’t hide the fact that ur a very decent and intelligent woman.

[@Lvl1Critters]

will forever stan you for being an ally to the trans girlies like myself

[@Emilysanders33]

I've been following you for a long time and I can truly see how passionate you are. I personally lean more towards the conservative point of you ONLY because of the children. I dont believe it is right for children to make permanent decisions like puberty blockers and surgery. I really admire how you want to understand both sides and I agree, I think we live in a black and white world where people arent open to seeing both sides of the coin. Thank you for being you!

[@aceazar2806]

I think this conversation needs to be had again, unedited, on your channel. Maybe not with all of the same exact people, but man I’d love to see it. I feel we could all learn a lot from it

[@simplybri3608]

I’m not a liberal nor a conservative. I don’t agree with everything on the left or right. That being said it was pretty disappointing to see you use the privilege card for every argument. It came off as just using it to be dismissive . Honestly we have to stop using that card because in all honesty you were the most “privileged” person on the panel. But that still doesn’t negate that you’re a very intelligent woman and it would’ve been nice to see you articulate and expands on your points. Also some prompts came off as disingenuous with the responses on the liberal side and came out of fear of going against the majority. (Just my opinion; no hate)

[@biggtk]

Assuming that Amber was the most privileged person there, how does that automatically invalidate the the things that she called out as "privilege?" Are you saying that privileged people are not allowed to acknowledge that different forms of privilege exist within society?

[@simplybri3608]

@@biggtk I’m not assuming anything financially she was the most privileged. Her dad is an ex NFL player she grew up privileged, she lives inLA, has a huge social media during following that’s privileged. And yes there’s something wrong with “calling out privilege” without acknowledging your own. And she didn’t call anything out she used it as a scapegoat

[@biggtk]

​@@simplybri3608 I can see that a lot of y'all lack basic reading comprehension skills, which most likely explains your irrational outrage at Amber calling out privileged systems. I did not ask you whether or not you were assuming anything. I simply said, assuming that Amber was the most privileged person there, how does that INVALIDATE her calling out privileged systems? For example, if Oprah called out the fact that banks tend to deny loans to black homebuyers and business owners at higher rates than white homebuyers and business owners, would the fact that Oprah is one of the most privileged people in the world invalidate the very real statistical FACT that banks deny loans to black people at higher rates? No it wouldn't, and to focus on Oprah's privilege as a means to invalidate the truth that banks discriminate against black people, is either the behavior of bad faith actors who are purposely trying to deny the existence of privilege/marginalization, or the behavior of people who lack basic logic skills to understand that more than one thing can be true at the same time without one of those things cancelling out the other. A person can be both privileged AND correct in their claims that systemic privilege does exist. Please read some literature on LOGIC and FALLACIES.

[@simplybri3608]

@@biggtk you obviously lack basic comprehension skills. Stop gaslighting and trying to invalidate a legitimate criticism because you’re hyper emotional. You implied I assumed let’s not play semantics here.. we’re the only 2 people that are conversing therefore you are saying I implied let’s not play stupid. she never called out anything she just simply said over and over you’re privileged without giving any context to back that up. She simply implied someone was privileged because they’re white. If Oprah would’ve simply just said “you’re privileged” without giving any context or facts to back that up then yes the same applies. To simply just say your privileged and when someone challenges you on that and you can’t provide any context or facts to back it up you’re using it as a scapegoat to shut down conversation simply because you do not agree and that’s not how a debate works. & what Oprah spoke about what discrimination in housing not privilege. It’s obvious you’re just too hyper emotional to engage in a conversation without trying to conflate different things so I’m going to end the conversation here. Good day.

[@seana9960]

I appreciate your voice on that panel. Girl I was a little frustrated on some of the points made by the (right). Hopefully your voice and others who are working towards great change is effective and visibility.

[@uuuuuuuuiiiiiii]

As someone who still loves your content and USED to love Arielle’s content before she went fully nuts, you don’t have to have a perfect argument - the fact that you were there standing your ground is what made me so glad to see you there.

[@kayisit9744]

Coming from someone that’s always watched jubilee just for insight purposes and then someone that’s been following you for years I was happy to see you on one of their episodes. I was disappointed in how the video was edited and how it seemed to be a “who’s the loudest contest” instead of a back and forth conversation. I’ve noticed jubilee to edit their videos in that way quite often and it’s unfortunate. But I’d love to see you try to do your own thing with that topic and bring in some conservatives that are willing to have that conversation correctly. Love you Amber!❤

[@Dede.__]

This idea is brilliant! I hope Amber sees your comment and actually manifests it

[@AmbersCloset]

Thank you! And yes that is a great idea!!

[@kayisit9744]

@@Dede.__ thank you!!

[@kayisit9744]

@@AmbersCloset it’s much ❤️!!

[@mkw341]

Finally! I had been waiting for you to post a reaction video to it

[@AmbersCloset]

I was not going to at all…but my friends have been pushing me to do it. I had to take a break for my mental, then I went ahead and recorded it

[@adventureswithwonu4467]

One thing i noticed tho is they kinda did pay homage to the old leftists who fought to get us to this point. I think their perspective was more like “shit was really really bad before. the fact that we’ve come this far, if we keep pushing limits, esp in ways that are likely harmful to women and minors, we can end up causing more problems than helping progress” if that makes sense. I thought the conversation was interesting. As a black masc woman child of immigrants who’s “triple oppressed” i think the real privilege is the ability or be sensitive to words and language instead of needing to keep it stepping, be who you want and focus on other more pressing matters

[@tropicalsundae]

I agree 100% with Arielle. I'm a woman of color as well and I honestly was sickened when you talked about privilege. That whole victim mentality needs to stop. I'm so sick of everything being about race.

[@ethandollarhide7943]

Notice how Arielle always starts a massive fight over Trans People every time she shows up in a Jubilee video.

[@JackxJewell]

As usual - you’re unhappy with how you did in the episode, therefore, it’s everyone else’s fault. One day I hope you’ll realise how ‘privileged’ you actually are, even though your convinced on staying perpetually oppressed

[@mynamessalma9351]

💯

[@molls-indie]

I believe in this video she quite literally stated that she’s aware of her privileges. She was mentioning privilege as an overall statement, so that others could hopefully realize that they maybe in a privileged position, so they could become less ignorant. There are many different kinds of privileges, that people maybe consciously aware of or not. She is literally apart of oppressed groups/ marginalized groups. You CANNOT deny that, no matter how hard you try. Whether we’d like to admit it or not, there are racists out there still, homophobes, transphobes, ableist people, misogynists and so on… the world is a cruel place. Financially, yes she’s privileged, but that doesn’t derive from her other societal disadvantages.

[@themorkfe]

Hello everyone, my name is Yulia and I am a lesbian from Russia. As many may know, in recent years laws have been changing in our country that worsen the situation of the LGBT community, take away the rights that we previously had and make life unbearable for some people. When I watched that video, the first thought that arose in my head was that they are privileged. people are so accustomed to the fact that they have already been accepted into society to some extent that they have forgotten how bad it can be and how easy it is to take away the rights of a certain group of people. I want to thank you for covering this topic. It’s very sad that they all understood what you said about privileged cereals because, unfortunately, the better people live, the fewer problems they are able to notice.

[@CourtroomBrown_]

What I gathered immediately watching you in that video is that on top of everything else, you just seemed deeply disappointed...by the oppossing viewpoints, by the other side's lack of willingness to actually listen and consider anyone elses experience outside of their own. They weren't very open to changing their mind, and they were very condescending when it came to opposing viewpoints. There were a lot of statements like, "I think its complete bullshit that____, but you're entitled to believe whatever you want". Thats a really tough environment to be in, and you handled yourself very well.

[@ParanoiaConspiracy]

I am sorry but I don’t agree with y’all. I don’t care who you are, how you feel, with whom you’re sleeping with-don’t tell me what to say and how to behave. I don’t need people to educate me if I don’t agree with you. Having different opinions matters. Accept criticism. Ps: I am neither conservative nor liberal. I have my OWN OPINIONS!

[@Ms_Holliday93]

That video was so hard and triggering to watch but you did an amazing job.

[@anoushkagogoi5689]

like boo hoo get a helmet lmfao

[@rachaelvaughan1017]

As open minded as both sides want to come across, both seem to not want to hear or see the others side.

[@djgeneralbounce]

Amber was the most closed minded of all, she tried to shut down every point she couldn't dispute with "you're privileged" and "you show up differently"

[@aunamonet]

so much rage was building in me. the other side was SO closed minded smh

[@ohuntermc9321]

And contrary to that the far left are far too open minded.

[@laurabell7334]

“I am aware of these things” “Are you” some are so shallow yet some are so deep💕

[@danyulwilliams9823]

Right!!! You’re telling facts and the truth Amber!!! 👏👏👏👏😊😊😊❤❤❤❤

[@BeingTiffany]

Girl, you did as best as you could. I was triggered just watching, so I can't even imagine the energy being in that room... yikes!

[@Jessica-pn5ri]

There seemed to be an attack dog mentality on some of the subjects, which you handled really well. There are some people who will intentionally missed the point to run their own agenda.

[@AmbersCloset]

💯‼️

[@aoc349]

I think you did well in that video, I was of the opinion that the majority of the comments would feel the same and side more with the left but I was really surprised by how many people agreed with the right.. perhaps Jubilee itself have made a decision to lean more that way and so the followers have reflected that. It was a new side to you but a great one, you were both strong but calm which is hard to maintain in that conflict ridden environment.

[@Reed5016]

Honestly, Jubilee definitely has a bias. Which is really disappointing for an organization that is supposedly politically neutral.

[@meinparis3349]

Amber you are on point ! You put words where they are supposed to be. I stand the exact same way as you. Your voice is so important Amber. I would love to have that courage to do same.

[@mariek2636]

I'm glad that humans like you exist. Keep speaking up!!⚡️🔥💪

[@BonusFiddle]

Yup insurance should not pay for elective surgery like cutting working parts off .

[@aunamonet]

i legit can’t debate with nothing and i calm down before it even goes too far cause i’ll start going crazy bro

[@dearmeecha1310]

I totally agree that they ABSOLUTELY should have included the parts where you guys agreed as well as a moderator. In a good debate, with people who are actually trying to learn, there should always be points that can be agreed upon or understood. I can see both sides of this issue and wish that people didn’t enter it in a combative way. I’ve seen that on jubilee in many “debates” and it’s come from both sides.

[@Victori.A1]

And not to mention how lgbt+ people in other countries have no rights at all. It was annoying how the conservatives didn't want to talk about that. The prompt was never limited to the United States, yet thats all they wanted to talk about and ignore the rest of the gay people outside the US who are suffering

[@ijansk]

Gay men are forced to transition in order to be allowed to live in some countries, such as Iran. T Is homophobia.

[@SelfxMade32]

Middle Ground is such a toxic series, you're so brave for going on it like you did! I think you did really well at pushing back. Arielle must have been told to calm down halfway through, because she was so much less annoying (aka more quiet) in the second half lol.

[@andreamoore7002]

We love you, Amber! You are so passionate and educational. This world is lucky to have someone like you. Thank you so much for being you! ❤❤

[@InternetUser7321]

I thought you did really well in the debate. You had facts and numbers, and you also had compassion for individual experiences. I felt like a moderator would have been very helpful, especially because of the aggressive way that Arielle was cutting people off constantly. Even though I didn't agree with the majority of the conservative points that were made, the women on the panel (other than arielle) at least delivered their points without interrupting others or using loud and aggressive tones. There's such a difference between being ignorant versus being bigoted and speaking over others. You held your own, and I'm happy that we have people in the community willing and able to get up there and put in the emotional energy that it takes to have these types of debates.

[@taniabosse9163]

forgot to mention ....im white :)

[@emom2]

I feel like you have erased all the negative comments you’ve gotten on this video because I’ve seen none but I feel like there should be many. YOU ARE NOT A VICTIM! You are a wealth woman who has pretty privilege! You used the word privilege 20 times in that video!! You did not do a good job. You were the worst on that panel. You can not used the word privilege as an argument…unless you want to invalidate your argument. Especially when you were raised rich. There’s no more privilege than rich privilege. Try being a straight white male living in poverty and see who’s more privileged.

[@trinanineteen7398]

The police will let you live in poverty, the come and racially profile and have killed black people in poverty.

[@Da90sbaby]

I honestly couldn't stand her when she was speaking. WE ARE UNDER ATTACK!! 🤔😂🤡. Really? By whom, the chicks with dick s perhaps?

[@theshadowchannel6917]

Been away from your videos a minute but I saw you were in that video and when I saw this one I hade to watch it and man let me say yes yes yes you make amazing points and yes we do need to see the unedited version

[@tompaaz]

You are not a victim

[@eternalember8354]

Racism doesn’t exist anymore is all I’m hearing.

[@lachsforelle7565]

Thank you Amber for expressing these important points! Just because a part of the community is accepted more now it doesn’t mean, that the fight is over or that we can leave more targeted parts of the community behind. Everything we have fought for, everything black transgender people have fought for is only guaranteed as long as we keep fighting for it.

[@jw844]

Thank you for sharing you experience with this. Sorry to hear the editting and lack of moderator let down the experience. That sounds really tough.

[@entrepriseenfondcommun2024]

Come on BRAIN and KNOWLEDGE👏🏾 Amber for president💯

[@j4513]

I think the way you four stayed respectful and treat others with dignity while the other four couldn’t do anything close to that… Speaks for itself. Huge respect for how you handled it. Much love.

[@aceazar2806]

Can someone give me a background on what happened between Amber and Arielle? Was there a fallout?

[@Blackgirltries]

Right I’m like I need this tea but it’s probably just from stuff like this they have different viewpoints and were mainly social media people anyway

[@biggtk]

Have you kept up with Arielle for the past several years? She went full mask-off and finally stopped pretending she wasn't a conservative. I can't imagine that Amber has been on any kind of friendly terms with her since Arielle took this route.

[@Ashley-gh8up]

SHOULD I DO A REACTION VIDEO OF THE UNCUT PATREON WHERE YOU REVERSE YOUR STANCES COMPLETELY ON AIR

[@djgeneralbounce]

Amber is just another Blossom Brown / Taylor Lorenz type professional victim who loves playing the victim too much.

[@DMFG98]

🫰🏽🫰🏽🫰🏽Let me tell you how glad I am that you made this video. I believe more of these should be made not just for the LGBTQ+ community but ALL parts of the BIPOC community as well. The message is lost with most however you understood the assignment and you told it well. I haven’t seen the episode, must watch now. Always thought you’ll do good in politics, many blessings.🙏🏽

[@bxchulaboogiedownbx9112]

All in it, up until public accommodation and school rights.. like, no

[@nehsangbong7259]

I'm right on time for this.

[@kreativlilly5024]

Thank you Amber for standing up!! We have to be courageous now and hold together, everywhere in the world we see the rise of the conservative far right. But we hve community, we care for each other, we have solidarity- we are strong! Greetings from Italy:)

[@NEIGH6699]

butch lesbian here, so glad I just found your channel, you're great, keep doing what you do! KZbin decided to finally start showing me tons of lesbian content, I'm so happy

[@laurabell7334]

Wow, that’s crazy because I used to watch you and Ariel’s channel when I was way younger however, I don’t really watch Ariel that much though I do still watch you faithfully❤

[@legoshirocha]

Im proud to be Mexican and white, I’m also proud to be now an American. I honestly despise when people use the race card. I don’t think you’re a bad person but I shouldn’t be ashamed about my color at all. There’s a lot of hypocrisy in the liberal side. I’m not either a democrat nor I’m a republican. I’m very moderate though my views are more conservative since I grew up religious and a very cultured environment. I have to mention that even the democrats are very misogynistic. The idea of “trans women being women” is extremely misogynistic and disrespectful for biological women. The delusion in that mentality is insane. I’m gay and I’m very open minded that’s why I will never be a 100% on the right but the right are more logical. Sometimes I second guess a lot the mentality and sanity of leftists specially feminists and lgbtq activists. I really appreciate trans people who embrace their origins and biology and are not ashamed of it and now they’re leaving their lives happily as trans like Buck Angel and Gabbi Tuft.

[@nonya6522]

Acting like a vicitim gives you clout and money but its played out

[@aurora3655]

If u look at fascism today, it’s very askew, which means that it’s going flourish even more in the future.

[@jdc1up]

I think you did perfectly well. It's true you were not able to explicitly verbalize the need for recognition and support for intersectionality, but privilege touches upon how we may fail to grasp the struggle of others due to it.

[@deedeesmexilife861]

Yeah jubilee is not the ish. It is meant to incite drama, not tell truths, lean more to their rules and understanding and folks dont want to grow or understand.

[@chocolatefulani808]

all the mic drops!!! thank you so much for sharing this necessary information

[@xoxoNicholeLove]

Amber we support you. We all know where your heart is, don’t feel bad for not being able to say everything. People like them is hard to talk over. The ignorant people are always louder

[@AmbersCloset]

It really was sooo hard!!🙄🤦🏽‍♀️

[@djgeneralbounce]

​@@AmbersClosetsays one of the loudest and least willing to listen on that show 😂 you're a joke girl.

[@haylie5828]

yeah the concept of the show is interesting & could be compelling!! but it’s just for reactionary & surface level conversations. there’s no moderator & is a space that invites bitter back & forth with no end.

[@allegreajohnson7353]

I am just…🤬

[@writerdirect]

i feel as wise left 65 year old bi guy; you were wrong on several pts; once you come out as overtly lesbian or gay or bi in this society ; you have forfeited whatever privilege you have; yes there is white privilege absolutely; but when arielle says overtly and presents as lesbian; she has forfeited any privilege she walked in the room with; you're just wrong lol; its also hard to listen to you talk about privilege when you are the daughter of a superstar athlete and you are richer than f-_____ all; eg i come from a privileged background; i live in a 1.5 million dollar home; you and your family are way richer than me

[@biggtk]

Wait. You think white lesbians don't have racial privilege over black lesbians? If so, then can you explain why white lesbians consistently earn higher wages than Black and Brown lesbians?

[@writerdirect]

@@biggtk i think when you are an overt homosexual you are so far to the fringe for most people i think the difference is neglible in terms of society; of course black people have it bad

[@writerdirect]

@@biggtk once you are overtly gay you are far outside the mainstream; you want to say black lesbians have it even worse? in a way but they are not further out comparatively because white lesbians are so so far out to mainstream people anyway

[@michellepedersen3422]

That color on you !! It suits you so well and makes you shine 😍 I think that is your color!

[@sadiM653]

Just watched it. The trans issue was spoken on too much, I think it should just have focused solely on lesbian issues. I would have liked to understand what Sasha believes that she is benefiting from in society as a lesbian. In order to say you are a conservative lesbian, that means they are benefiting from who they are connecting to in their families and circles and how they present to the world because being a lesbian and solely benefiting from their sexuality would mean they would not be accepted as a conservative. Saying they are conservative because they don’t agree with pronouns and transwomen being referred to as biological women shouldn’t make them a conservative. They are conservative for other reasons if you get my drift. A conservative in today’s time is to not only be against the lesbian community but to be against women in general. The conservatives have went all the way to the right even at the expense of sacrificing women’s rights. If women’s rights are being taken the right to be a lesbian and gay marriage can be reversed as well.

[@Da90sbaby]

The trans thing is becoming a lesbian issue which I don't understand why. They're males I don't need to talk about them

[@kristalynncourtright-brown5443]

Well I feel like your point would of been put across better if you actual backed up what you said. You never stated any laws connected to your claim of about 600 of them. In this video you state what they touch on but not what they are directly about. You also say they are privileged. Just because they are comfortable in there place they are now does not mean they didn't go through unprivileged states. Even people who are not privileged don't always believe what you are saying because people always have difference in opinions and beliefs and that does not always mean that because of that they are privileged. Plus in the video you kept referring to your race which had nothing to do with your point. Also just because as you state they do not present the same as you has nothing to do with how they are perceived. if someone is against lesbians that doesn't change because of appearance. As for your facts it is not 1% of trans kids detransition if you look up studies of it, it ranges between 15% to 70% (depending on the study) which either way is not 1%. and intersex people are 0.0108% of the population and have nothing to do with switching genders or having non. They are a medical anomaly that is not representatives of an entire group of people.

[@meeshas8857]

Hey Amber, I’m sure it’s nerve-racking being around people who set the tone very aggressively like Arielle, who you also had past harm with. I still think you did a good job despite that environment. In terms of speaking to privilege an easy way to create context around it is that a Black trans woman’s life expectancy is 30 years old. When a trans person passes their 30th birthday we call them an elder in the community. And this is due to so many reasons from healthcare to bills to hate crimes. A cis white American women’s life expectancy is 77 years old. That alone just shows that equality is in fact, not a thing.

[@ohuntermc9321]

That statistic of black trans women dying by 35(not 30) is very problematic and unreliable. They discussed this in the trans middle ground debate.

[@meeshas8857]

@@ohuntermc9321 problematic according to who?

[@ohuntermc9321]

@@meeshas8857the source is not reliable. The statistic apparently relied heavily on the deaths of trans prostitutes.

[@ohuntermc9321]

@@meeshas8857Just look it up, the information is there.

[@ohuntermc9321]

@@meeshas8857 its not accurate. It was sourced by the rates of prostitute deaths.

[@taniabosse9163]

soooo when daddy had to fight for his retirement money for being in the nfl was is hard on u ? not that many millions coming in booboo?

[@machellovelivelife658]

1) Here's the thing. Conservatives say Jubilee is left leaning. Liberals say Jubilee is right leaning. Can't judge that based on comments in the section. Both sides complain about how the video is edited, conservatives have complained about the way it was edited, and now you and other liberals are/have saying/said the way the editing was shady. Jubilee is pro-clicks and are trash on the way they treat the final product, BUT they always get me with the clickbait title. 2) They should add a moderator (they did once, with Gen who has a KZbin channel by the same name) and it worked out much better. 3) They should maybe have more one-on-one conversations and pick who they invite more wisely. Arielle is passionate, I get that, but she interrupted too much including talking over her own side. Same way I feel about Blossom, every time I see that name, I already know I won't be able to finish watching the video. 4) I'm surprised you didn't come prepared with many examples because it is called a debate after all, but maybe my impression is unfairly influenced by how Jubilee chose to edit. I cant stand them. 5) Censoring drag shows that are sexually explicit, is a good thing. Not all drag is sexual, but the examples of the ones kids are present have been. I wish advocates like yourself would be nuanced and speak on the difference, condemning the ones that are inappropriate. 6) I think if you go back and watch your body language, you didn't seem to really believe your own words when you stated "we'd make it work", in response to the question "I would date a transwoman". I was surprised by your answer based on your caption from your IG post on Nov 14, 2023 promoting your interview w/ J Kiillem. Caption below: "Yes, there are some Lesbians that LOVE BISEXUALS!! But at the same time, our experience is VERY different… Bisexuals…can y’all chime in here and tell us your side?! Please! And to the Lesbians out there…how do y’all feel about Bisexuals? And why? In the longer version I mention that I think most women are on a scale of bisexuality from curious to fluid to fully bisexual, but that there are ALOT of women like myself that are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being attracted to men, but that there’s only like 15-20% of us." do you see what you chose to capitalize in the last sentence? "NOT EVEN CLOSE". Were you referring to primary or secondary characteristics? (This is a rhetorical question, unless you choose to answer. My point is lesbians like Becky/Arielle may date a transman because of their female sexed body, but would not date a transwoman because of their male sexed body. The difference is in primary and secondary characteristics). The dating question, to be honest, is one that shouldn't be discussed at all b/c it's one that is literally a "mind your business & do you". All other issues are not as easy as "just do you", but dating preferences are. I feel similar to questions like "would you date outside your race?" "would you date someone w/ kids" "Trad wife vs Dinks". Literally ppl just mind your business and stop throwing these questions out on the internet, b/c it results in a flood of comments that will offend someone who was legit just trying to mind their business. Everyone has preferences, just match up w/ whatever yours is. However, What I find odd is the dilemma lesbians find themselves in. It used to be Christians who told gay ppl that they should be attracted to the opposite sexed body despite how they feel about said sexed body. And now, it's the LGBT community shaming lesbians for saying they are not attracted to opposite sexed bodies, and are only attracted to female bodies. In other words this new LGBT community is doing what Christians did in dictating sexual orientation. Christians called sexual orientation preferences "sin" (if it was anything other than heterosexual), and now this new LGBT group calls it "bigotry" or "transphobia". Confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart, that you are what you are based how you think/feel, despite the physical reality, sounds like another religion to me. 7) You stated that LGBT ppl who are conservative are "Siding with the oppressor", however, you didn't say (or maybe you did but Jubilee edited it out) anything about Arielle's point "Queers for Palestine". I have seen Palestinians rip the pride flag out of the hands of those who held them up at a Pro Palestine rally. LGBT would literally be killed or jailed in Palestine if they went. 8) This isn't a pile on so please don't take it that way, but while Jubilee picks great topics they do a poor job living up to the expectation. Maybe you could host someone who thinks differently from you to have the discussion much better. Not Ariele, she interrupts too much LOL. I'd suggest Brad Polumbo who debated Michael Knowles (daily wire host) on the topic of trans topics. Brad is a gay man, who's libertarian/center right as he calls it, but I've seen him call out both sides equally. Another is Sara Higdon (transwoman), who I would say similar to Brad and doesnt seem extreme in either direction.

[@AmbersCloset]

I appreciate all of the time and effort you put into this comment. You are right….both sides have complained about the videos. I just know from my point of view and someone that is always editing, that the story feels different than how I remember it. Especially with some important parts missing. Not just from the liberals side, but also the parts where we all agreed. I feel like it’s so important to show that! I would love to have a one on one convo with Becky. The way she talked and listened was respectful. Even with our opposing views I have discussed drag shows before and acknowledged the difference between these sexual drag shows versus the most common drag shows which are fun and for EVERYONE!! I personally would love to take my kids to a drag brunch, but would not take them to a night show where I feel that is more appropriate for adults. I think drag shows are amazing!! It’s an art form! I think they bring not only our community together but others as well! The straights love it too!! The video about bisexuals is specifically discussing Lesbians dating bisexuals. What I mean by me saying I’m “not even close” to being attracted to men is just that. A trans woman is a woman. I think the idea that queers shouldn’t support Palestinians because a lot of them are homophobic is ridiculous. First of all, gay people are everywhere. And there are also homophobes everywhere. Being against genocide is just that. It’s a human issue, not a gay issue. I will definitely think of an idea that I could do as a follow up for this and include some opposing sides that can be respectful. I was honestly so interested in hearing them and trying to understand where they were coming from, not battling with them. I hope I got to all or majority of your questions✨🙏🏽

[@machellovelivelife658]

@@AmbersCloset likewise, thank you for the time put into responding. Have a great weekend when it comes.

[@dolfan4926]

I’m wondering…….did u identify yourself as an intersex born woman?

[@DigitalCre8ionz]

This was Education at it’s finest from a wise young lady.

[@realemmcee]

I definitely think the people who watch that channel skew towards the conservative side so (at least from what I've seen in the comments) they edit the videos to cater towards them. Also a person can have privilege and still acknowledge that it exists in other ways, so I don't get why people are whining and complaining about it. I don't think Jubilee wants an actual middle ground, I think they want to have people yelling over the top of each other (why else would they have chosen A.S, who loves to be rude and only cares about hearing her own voice) because that's what's going to get people to watch the videos.

[@zoestec5326]

Because she was using it as a way to interrupt and dismiss the validity of the other person's statement. It was rude.

[@BlondieBisquit93]

Jubilee is becoming a grifter platform at this point

[@aris6756]

Reading the comments it's an echo-chamber, wow. Jubilee is very liberal, always has been...not sure why people would think it's at all conservative, conservative channels wouldn't even invite lgbt people on. Sad that I used to watch all of the first lesbians on KZbin and now it's like this.

[@jiliciar.1423]

Thank you for this. 💜

[@create2liberate]

Wow. I had to go watch it before commenting. You are spot on with your response. The lack of moderator is a huge mis-step. And they are clearly not seeking to find middle ground. Polarity is not what is needed at this time. And the conservatives came in HOT! They were on the offense and aggressive.

[@cheekiereynolds]

I disagree. I think you did your best considering the circumstances. I’m non-binary and I took offense to a lot of what was being said by the opps. Also, there were times where the other party started snickering and it felt like I was in high school all over again getting beat up by the bullies. I loved your responses and the way you stood on business. I will always ride for Amber no matter what. Thank you for using your platform and providing a safe space 🏳️‍🌈

[@ohuntermc9321]

She didn't do well. She couldn't back her arguments well and resorted to using the privilege card everyone 5 minutes to another person of colour.

[@writerdirect]

and i cant say that the conservatives did stunning either; its impossible too; its not a real debate; jubilee is a shitshow; its a guilty pleasure; its not serious intellectual exchange; i would recommend more graduate school and i mean that with no shade and seriously

[@niy8646]

What I really hoped they had let you get to, is the question of whether these women will still consider themselves conservatives, if these laws that are currently on a list to take queer rights away actually pass in the future. Them ignoring it right now is part of the issue.

[@jenniboo9441]

What laws? Specifically

[@jackieo-]

Amber I think you did a great job! All of the liberal lesbians did too. I am so proud of you! I am definitely more liberal and willing to listen to those who don’t have the same views as me. For me the first rule of communication is tone, it can really affect the willingness to listen to the person. You have two conservative lesbians, Arielle and Becky, who have two totally different tones. Arielle was the worst to listen to, quite rude if you ask me, while Becky brought her point across in a more clear and effective way. It was a tough video to watch. But needed. I know at the end you thought you didn’t do well but do you feel you learned anything useful from this experience? Girl I’m stressed! We got a long way to go.

[@machellovelivelife658]

Jubilee notoriously always chooses at least one person that throws off everything. I feel as if they do so intentionally. It's one thing if they are not familiar w/ the person, but Arielle has been on quite a few different times, (so to Blossom - not in this video) & they behave the same, talking over the other side and sometimes a little bit of their own side.

[@AmbersCloset]

It was really hard and disappointing. I actually enjoyed having conversations with Becky event though her views are VERY different. There were a few parts where I was able to get her to see other points of views. I felt heard and I think she felt heard by me as well.

[@becky_weiss_]

I would be open to having another sit down with less voices and calmer communication. All the heightened emotions made it difficult for anyone to be clear and their actual best. But I appreciate that level of respect even though we have different views, and I can say the same for you.

[@machellovelivelife658]

@@becky_weiss_ please, make this happen. It could be dual release on both of your youtube channels 😀

[@honeybee9056]

I thought you did incredible in the jubilee video! I was cheering for you everytime you spoke. ❤❤❤

[@eternalember8354]

I’m so sorry I’m late but I posted a comment which I’m going to paste are all points I feel like we’re in each discussion + the comments opinion. “3 points I wanna touch on so bad are these. 1. The non-men thing isn’t as serious as you guys are making it. Gender is a social construct, which is why it’s so normalized to call certain things feminine when in reality it’s someone’s personality. So you can be a man and have feminine traits you’re not a woman because of that. You guys are essentially saying that. Because I can give birth I’m a woman but biologically, you’re a female, someone who can give birth but can also have a very masculine personality. 2. If you’re mad that you’re being called privileged, then you are privileged. You have the privilege to do things and not know things about certain shit and not need to understand it. When someone is telling you, you cannot understand it so therefore you cannot tell me how what is what in my personal community. There’s a difference in white lesbians and black lesbians (honestly in the lgbt in general. 3. Labels only exist as an identification for people who aren’t the norm. So when you’re excluding people, they’re going to make more labels. If you want it to stop let people be included into a community they identify in. The fact I have to explain it is so ugh in general.”

[@kylaknight3655]

Thank you for centering trans folks in this video. Cis queer folks have really been sucking at calling me by my name and pronouns so seeing this reminds me that like yeah some people suck but most of us are doing the work and elevating and evolving… and growing tf up. Keep speaking your truth when you feel safe to do so 🌻

[@rioclemmons4094]

Oof…this comment section is concerning. Especially on this channel. Like why are u even here if u think like that..?

[@oooladip]

I'm really glad you spoke your truth here

[@kylaknight3655]

Damn…. You had to talked to Ariel again?? Gonna make multiple comments for the algorithm

[@soccercool13]

You were still my fave on the show even though you don’t feel like you did your best ❤

[@TRUAXFADES]

Thank you for speaking up and educating 🙏🙌🏽

[@daligogh1]

Educating?

[@Redsoofinthesky]

This shit is really important

[@purplebanana6420]

Amber i like you but the liberal side did awful and seemed very disingenuous honestly, and just because someone is on the viewpoint comes from the right doesn't mean they agree with me myself im a left leaning conservative

[@KEITHS-]

Stop hating on white gay men. We get it, your dad provided for his family and he treated you as a princess. That's just not our thing, get over it.