First Party Controllers #2 - Saturn, PlayStation, Nintendo64, Xbox, and More! / MY LIFE IN GAMING

In this installment of first party controllers, we delve into the 3D Generation - Saturn, Dreamcast, Playstation 1 & 2, Nintendo64, Gamecube, Xbox and maybe even some more obscure choices, like the 3DO, Atari Jaguar and Phillips CD-I.
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[@Renan_de_Souza]

I can't wait for the next part, because when they'll be talking about the Kinect, the controllers are gonna be Coury and Try.

[@PhantomHavok]

Renan de Souza My Life in Gaming. Quite literally.

[@Ballowax]

Now that you say that, I'm thinking about that time SomeCallMeJohny did that video on Sonic Freeriders.

[@braden24]

@@Ballowax "Rolling around at the speed of cramp" - poor tired Johnny

[@craigjuan5744]

Now that I would love to see!

[@Poever]

They did conspicuously skip over the Genesis Activator, though

[@Poever]

Have you considered doing a similar style video comparing the controls on various portable gaming systems? From Game Boy to Vita, 3DS to Game Gear, each system took a different approach to control comfortability

[@mylifeingaming]

This is a great idea!

[@Offensive_Username]

If you forget to mention the Gamate in that video, I will unsubscribe.

[@IvyBrooksHobkin]

@@mylifeingaming Definitely try to go over all sorts of consoles even the obscure handhelds you may have, like the gamecom, and more

[@zakwojnar4714]

@@mylifeingaming I'm looking forward to seeing the PSP Go getting the justice it deserves! It's the most comfortable handheld I've ever used, and it slides perfectly into an inside jacket pocket.

[@Jesse__H]

That music that plays when you're introducing The Duke 😂😂😂 You guys are great.

[@stanlee5465]

But it really should have been called "The Chief"! I mean, it was the Halo controller!

[@RdCrestdBreegull]

It’s the music when you get drunk in Conker’s Bad Fur Day (which had a remake on Xbox)

[@craigjuan5744]

That got me laughing a lot. Whenever Coury's voice goes that deep, it's almost like he turned into a muscular giant for a brief moment.

[@GenesisGreen]

where's part 3

[@ColourShedProductions]

Even though my favourite consoles from this era are the first 2 PlayStations, my favourite controller is the GameCube one, especially when it came to the exclusives like Luigi's Mansion and Metroid Prime.

[@stopit5986]

I love all the video's you guys make, but I only have one complain....in the future videos, could you guys include the game name and system info below gameplay when showcasing it? Other then that, your video format is one of the best I've seen. Thank you for all your work.

[@oobgarm1]

I could certainly dig on this idea for the music tracks as well.

[@julio_official]

@@oobgarm1 Actually, they always write the music titles down at the end of every video 52:39 But yeah, it would be nice not to wait till the end and search for all Track names.

[@oobgarm1]

@@julio_official I was aware of that, but usually I hope that I know at least one song in there somewhere so I can try to figure out where the song I'm looking for is in relation to it

[@dave8826]

Agreed, I'd love to know which game is this one 15:49

[@SeanBarkerNegaScott128]

It may be a bit distracting to have that show up in the middle of the video, but it would be cool to maybe have that as a subtitle option that you could turn on. I remember Every Frame a Painting used to do that with the film clips they showed.

[@patrickholt8782]

If there are 1,000,000 fans of the N64 controller then I am one of them. If there is only 5 fans of the n64 controller then I am still one of them. If there’s only 1 fan then I am that fan. If there are no fans left then I am dead. If the world is against the n64 controller then I am against the world!

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Don't worry, you will never be the 1 fan because I'll be right there with you!

[@patrickholt8782]

@@mylifeingaming dang I made a comment so good you came back to a two year old video.

[@PrincessShokora2002]

@@mylifeingaming Same here

[@PaperBanjo64]

@Patrick Holt you ain't the only one I love the Nintendo 64 controller! I found an excellent wireless Nintendo 64 controller that's as good as the original! You gotta get one! You will not regret, tell 'em polycube sent ya.

[@Aboveup]

The reason they swapped Circle = Confirm and X = Cancel was because to American Sony executives, universally understood concepts like this were completely foreign to them. So they demanded that "X Marks The Spot." which makes no sense in yes and no terms at all.

[@obvfw]

Ah, so that explains why some games used Triangle as the cancel button in menus, but some used Circle or Square on the rare occasion; there was a definitive "Yes" symbol, but not a "No" symbol. (Except in Japan, of course.) Maybe they should have colored O green and X red to drive the point home?

[@SciFiBrony]

I assumed that it was because Circle represents emptiness/negative space, hence cancel with X being like filling in a checkbox or the like, hence confirm.

[@EBCHILL2]

This is like water to the desert, thank you

[@mg6945]

I've been playing MGS2 and 3 for years and I had zero Idea I could put down my gun by slowly taking my finger off the button of the Dualshock 2. That's sick.

[@Zaxtur]

Hyperkin's Duke isn't wireless. It's wired.

[@rynomclaughlin1595]

It even says Wired on the box, obviously Coury never took it out at all and only wanted to mention it as a joke cause every other word about the Duke was a joke when it's better than the S in my opinion

[@Vinnay94]

@@rynomclaughlin1595 The Duke's sticks looks more refined though. The right stick is Domed which is better for aiming.

[@currychips]

Only noobs struggle with an N64 controller.

[@rickylovesyou]

Only noobs struggle with any first party controller.

[@amnesia998]

Only noobs struggle with things new to them.

[@Bitbatgaming]

I could not play n64 because i didn't know how to hold it. Also the drift... its bad on the controllers that are worn.

[@jba2048]

I always thought it was the other way around. Only noobs who missed the first two generations of gaming like the N64 controller.

[@mjc0961]

Only normal human beings with only two hands struggle with an N64 controller. What planet are you from?

[@dreammfyre]

My Saturn USB pad is probably my most priced possession, lol, not even kidding. That plus RetroArch is all I need... EDIT: Holy shit, you can actually buy new ones for like 16-17€ now? Time to stock up then. I remember these got super rare a while back.

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

priced? was it more expensive? :P

[@Vintiqueture]

Most *prized

[@nathanddrews]

The 6-button Sega controllers were always my favorite. Similarly, the N64 also had 6 buttons in a 2x3 configuration. The original Xbox controller was similar with the white/black. I really hate how every controller moved to 2x2. 2x3 with start, mode/select, shoulders, triggers, dpad, and dual analog would be my ideal controller. You would be able to emulate nearly every console ever.

[@Screwy]

RetroBit also posted a blueprint image of their own Dreamcast controller redesign to Twitter that's apparently hitting sometime near the end of the year. They're adding C and Z buttons that mirror the triggers for 6-button fighters, and there's also gonna be a Saturn D-pad among other touches.

[@eponymous7910]

🤤🤑🎉

[@yellowwasanimposter520]

@@eponymous7910 bruh

[@H311hunt3r]

Thanks for bringing back that "Reach out to the truth" earworm, Try. Even though P4 is still my favorite in the series, nothing beats "Burn my dread" :D

[@Cruptile]

Which version?

[@gaminghistory101]

The way that it cut in, I got jolted from the sheer shock and unexpectedness.

[@rynomclaughlin1595]

BUUUURRNN MYYYYYY BREEAADDD!!!

[@H311hunt3r]

@@rynomclaughlin1595 I once looked away from that loaf in there and it turned into a coal I swear!

[@gab_v250]

Persona 4 can be dated on the gameplay, but the soundtrack is top tier imho

[@TooBokoo]

As someone who took very good care of his N64 controllers and constantly cleaned out the stick base, it doesn't matter what you do, those joysticks will always turn to shit. It's a shame, because when new, that is the most precise joystick there's ever been!

[@lilock33]

The N64 stick is a mechanical device with gears and moving parts that rub against each other. Like a watch or a car engine these parts require lubrication and a regular "oil change". I've been lubricating my N64 sticks since the '90s and my launch controller is still as good as new - it moves smoothly and reads as having a full range of motion in controller test programs Ideally you should use silicone grease, but even petroleum jelly will work in a pinch. It's a bit tricky to do as you have the completely take apart the stick box and make sure you don't get grease on the optical encoders, the results are well worth it though. If you've been cleaning white powder from around the base of your sticks then that's a sure sign they have no lubrication left as that powder's a result of the components grinding themselves to dust! And yes, the N64's analogue stick is massively more precise than the usual potentiometer-based designs. If you have the ability to run homebrew on N64 and PS2 you can download controller test programs for each. It's incredible to see how much the readings from PS2 controllers jump about all over the place and how poorly their readings return to centre when the stick is released - this is why both Dualshock 1 & 2s have such large dead-zones. By comparison a well maintained N64 stick is pin-point accurate and centralises brilliantly every time. If only they had come up with a way of making it maintenance-free...

[@Xray64]

Get a steel stick I've heard they're pretty good

[@obvfw]

@@Xray64 Where would one get a steel stick? I've been searching, the only relevant result I found was still a WIP project.

[@scikoolaid]

​@@obvfw First of all, I'm not paid, I'm not promoting anything and I don't guarantee you don't get defective parts. I just know that if you been searching alot like I did, it would probably be helpful for me to dump for you what I found and then decided to get. I was pretty happy with it. I even used left over lubricant for my unchanged controllers to help them work better. Steelsticks fully assembled are all backlogged waitlists from what I've found. No one is producing mass steel polished modules. It's not really the stick as important as the bowl is. The grinding to dust happens in the bowl in OEM controllers which are basically entirely plastic on plastic contact. When its dry of the lubricant you get grinding and rough feeling. If you don't care about costs, and want a smooth longer term solution to try out, start with one of the steelsticks64.com steelsticks64.com/?product=n64-steelbowl-b-grade steelbowls grade B. I got one of those and also: www.shapeways.com/product/EC6E6LL6E/n64-brass-gear-slots-3-40mm Remember to read that page and also get the plastic gears. www.shapeways.com/product/7JXFA3YWT/n64-gear-teeth-v1?optionId=65335755&li=more-from-shop Here's the capless stick I got and used steelsticks64 acrylic cap for colored joystick: www.shapeways.com/product/V87DV25NF/n64-capless-nylon-stick?optionId=67204108&li=more-from-shop This was then screwed into the stick post: steelsticks64.com/?product=neon-acrylic-cap everything came together quite nicely, but trying to put it back together in the controller was hell. It was confusing how you need to position everything then have the spring properly hold the thin disk ontop of the stick/gears all together. THEN drop it back into the controller module and close it up with the screw and 2 clips on topside. Good luck! I love Starfox64 so much - its played the absolute best with the original controller stick design on real hardware. nothing better imo.

[@obvfw]

@@scikoolaid Hm, interesting. I'll look into it. Thanks for all the info!

[@MrTBoneSF]

Re: 3DO pad. I don't get why the daisy-chain ability would be "mocked". It was USB before USB. It was extremely consumer friendly because you didn't have to buy a costly multi-tap to play more than two players like the PS1. FIFA supported six players, no multi-tap needed. And not all 3do controllers had the daisy-chain on the controller itself, some like the Logitech pad had the splitter at the connector. The big advantage of having it on the controller was only one cord needed to be extra long (the pack-in controller did have an extra long cable) and there would only be a single cord to step over going from the console to the couch. Way ahead of its contemporaries in those respects. The diagonal issue was because the posts around the d-pad were about a millimeter too high. It's unclear whether this was an oversight or some old school purist wanting perfect 4-way (for Pac-Man?) control. Loosening the screws sort of works, but filing down the posts was the real fix. Also, this was only an issue for the first batch of Panasonic controllers. Later revisions (like those with the FZ-10) and other brands (like the Goldstar, Sanyo, Logitech) didn't have the issue at all.

[@nyastclair8174]

I have a 3DO and I actually like the controller.

[@PScoopYT]

I would say it was a really neat solution at the time. But I imagine for some, it's wasn't really ideal and they would rather have the controller plug to the system itself or use something like a Multi-tap. (Nintendo pretty much make their consoles supported two players by default since the NES, so I would say only having one controller port in the '90 is a bit dumb in my opinion.)

[@legostar55]

The daisy chain was more like FireWire before FireWire

[@jonbelf2981]

The 3D controller is actually my go to controller for my Saturn. I find it to be very comfortable.

[@carllavery4442]

I love it too, also on Panzer Dragoon Zwei if you disable the X button in the options the triggers only turn the camera and don't activate berserk mode, something not mentioned in the video. Got to love how its analogue stick still works flawlessly today unlike some other systems

[@andremalerba5281]

What's the game name on 15:50 ? That looks really cool! Edit. Nevermind, Google got it for me when I've asked it: "ps1 gunstar heroes" LOL. The game is Gunners Heaven

[@carlosmaestre]

Around 47:00 - the click in Rogue Leader is for maximum velocity. Open foils means better mobility, closed foils are for speed at the expense of control.

[@RichardHartness]

Oh, Philips CD-i. It never fails. When a gaming KZbin channel needs a "something even worse", you are always there to deliver.

[@Cruptile]

That's not true! Hotel mario was a great.... :(

[@rynomclaughlin1595]

If you want a positive look at the CD-i watch 8bitguy's overview on it

[@GameSack]

I never understood why Xbox had the breakaway cables. They're just more parts to lose. Why not just make the controller cord pop out from the console just as easily? Same purpose achieved, fewer parts. Quite literally no reason for it to break off in the middle of the cord.

[@iameod]

same, i recently found 2 old xbox controllers without those breakaway parts and they're unusable now! ..well, until i order new ones. which i might. someday.

[@nickwallette6201]

Because Microsoft. Bad ideas are kind of their jam.

[@racer4200]

Well, as someone who lost their Launch Edition PS2 due to my 2 year old nephew hauling ass between me and the TV and tripping on the controller cable causing my PS2 to crash onto the floor, a break away cable MAY, and I emphasize, MAY, have prevented my PS2 from meeting its fate at the hands of a 2yo. We shall never know, but I would have like to have had the option to potentially prevent the untimely demise of my PS2.

[@Tobi_DarkKnight]

@@racer4200 I could help to fix your launch edition PS2.

[@racer4200]

@@Tobi_DarkKnight Thanks man. This was quite a while ago and the PS2 is long gone.

[@FuzzballRenakitty]

Good lord guys clean your controllers

[@leecroft7311]

Fuzzball Renakitty The closeups of the PlayStation controllers analog sticks 🤢

[@drunkensailor112]

The 3d controller of the Saturn is my favorite controller all around. Even my unknowing friends thought it felt and played great. It was also the first controller with analogue triggers. Not until 2002 would another company create a controller with analogue triggers with Microsoft and the Xbox Also the 3d controller is a must for pretty much any Saturn 3d game past late 96. Panzer dragoon saga and manx TT are a must

[@Bitbatgaming]

All i like to do is to mash the gamecube triggers. There's something about them and they should totally be in a fidget toy

[@TheGamingPolitician]

*MLiG where’s my Wii episode?*

[@woodenotaku]

No mention of the various DualShock OEMs? There's several different manufacturers for the first party Sony DualShock 1/2, you can tell which you have by the letter on the back. A, H and M. A stands for Alps for example. These different manufacturers even have their own revisions of each controller! Why does this matter? Because while they may look identical on the outside they are completely different on the inside. If you've never liked the DS1 for example because you think the buttons feel a bit stiff, then you might wanna try a different manufacturers controller.

[@kaitlyn__L]

interesting, I personally always felt the buttons were too mushy. Perhaps I'd like the stiff one? Or is there a more tactile one? :o

[@thanksbetotap]

That’s very interesting. Want to note though that Sony was the OEM, while the manufacturers are just called manufacturers :)

[@videogamerka0009]

Yes, silver PS2 controllers have a lot better triggers( triggers on silver controllers have that nice click) because they were manufactured by different company

[@PredictableEnigma]

Thanks for mentioning this. Just when I thought I knew everything about the PS2. I think I just chocked different controllers of mine feelinng different due to thier age or needing a good internal cleaning soon.

[@Microwave414]

So that explains why each dualshock 2 I've owned has always felt a noticeably off from each other. I used to Frankenstein the damn things to make best feeling controller since each one would have some glaring flaw like mushy d-pad, buttons or shoulders.

[@Spaghettaboutit]

@My Life in Gaming - YOU FORGOT: To bring up that the Xbox also had analog buttons! All of the Team Ninja Games took advantage of the analog face buttons (well...DoA 3 and DoA: Extreme Volleyball did at least, I can't remember if Ninja Gaiden did...) and I'm also pretty sure Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance also took advantage of the analog face buttons. I care about this missed issue because Zone of the Enders 2 (I believe also ZoE1) both PS2 exclusive games took advantage of the analog face buttons in a big way. I'm sad that Microsoft dropped analog face buttons with the Xbox 360 and Sony kept analog face buttons with the PS3, but dropped them with the PS4. It really sucks that the game industry went backwards. There both Kojima at Konami and Team Ninja embraced this technology and the games are better because of it. It'd be nice if you guys could right this wrong by doing an episode on games both on the Xbox and on the PS2/PS3 that take advantage of it and explain how it effects the gameplay and your take on if it was worth the enhancement.

[@AlucardsQuest]

I always used a Mad Catz Dream Pad for my Dreamcast, as it had a much more comfortable analog stick and d pad, as well as 6 face buttons. Oddly enough it was officially licensed by Sega.

[@IamGamingJunkie]

Thank you for getting us through these troublesome times, im attempting to spread positivity too through my own content

[@Poever]

I’m looking forward to them doing part 3 with coverage of the 360, PS3, Wii, Wii U, and potentially more

[@livingcorpse5664]

GameCube will always be my favorite system and have my favorite controllers that fit right in your hands, easy to memorize button placements, colors and shapes. Indentations on the triggers to rest your index fingers on with minimal accidental trigger pulls.

[@espressomatic]

Any plans to yet make Part 3?

[@Fahrenheit38]

Helping me through this shift, thanks guys! I got the 8bitdo saturn pad and it's my default controller for emulation of retro games.

[@SnowyMountainBlueSky]

Sega Saturn controller is my favorite controller ever. The retro-bit wireless version are also awesome and I had been waiting for them forever. The only thing missing now to get the ultimate controller is a version with analog sticks. 8bitdo was supposed to be developing one, but I guess it was canceled when retro-bit got the licensing from sega. I still have hope... Unfortunately Sega completely ignored the "if it ain't broken don't fix it" when developing the dreamcast controller.

[@Drinkabeerandplayagameofficial]

“Mushroom cap with tiny bumps” Me too bud....wait a second

[@PixelPhoenix]

Thank you Coury and Mark! It's been a while! Starting off with the legendary Saturn controller too, woo! Looking forward to this and hoping to see that upcoming FFRVII "mini" episode soon!

[@latt.qcd9221]

Surprised you never mentioned the fact that N64 controllers could be duel-wielded for some games like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, giving you two analog sticks to work with.

[@linoxyard]

The Duke is an amazingly underrated controller. It's a shame that a lot of people don't like it

[@michael423]

I agree, I love the duke, my go to controller when playing most original Xbox games.

[@linoxyard]

@@michael423 For me is also my go to controller when I play some PC games, thanks to a usb adapter breakaway cable and special driver

[@leecroft7311]

Always found it comfortable to use.

[@Demokirby]

So excited for this one, controllers definitely get unique during these early 3d gens.

[@anasevi9456]

they did, and honestly did some things better than even the best controllers do now. I understand the hatred of the classic N64 controller, but new with a fresh analogue stick; best for white knuckle delicate 3d platforming, makes today's analog sticks feel woody and too digital. Also the dreamcast D-Pad, its tall predictable pivot is the best fighting d-pad I've used; I neet a Seimetsu LS-62-01 arcade stick to surpass the latter. They are both so weird feeling to most people they just write them off without actually trying, but eh they had their merits for being taller than any other of their sort.

[@riversart2030]

The Dualshock 2 is one of my favorite controllers of all time. It fits in my hands so comfortably. The pressure sensitive buttons were a great idea and I love the feel of the circle-gate, symmetrical analog sticks. The only thing I don't like about it is the D-pad. It isn't terrible but is rather jagged and doesn't compare to the comfort of say the SNES or N64 ones. Also, I gotta say, I would much rather use it to play Soul Calibur than the GC controller, even though I love that controller as well.

[@jotreliving2614]

This is a treat and a half. Got my OSSC today and MLiG uploaded!

[@AlexVanChezlaw]

Not gonna lie, i got hyped when i heard the Persona 4 song

[@MGlBlaze]

Fun fact; Bluetooth is a transmission standard, but it still uses the 2.4Ghz band. So, Bluetooth IS 2.4Ghz and is subject to interference from other 2.4Ghz sources. So there's another reason why Bluetooth isn't that helpful, really.

[@kaitlyn__L]

yep, it's just a software layer on top instead of sending the inputs directly over the air, modulated with whichever carrier wave they choose... it's the software that adds the lag, otherwise wireless moves at the speed of light and goes directly there, the cable works at the speed of light but takes detours. of course bluetooth can shift channels automatically, as can some other modern 2.4GHz options, which is much nicer than shifting the wheel on the wavebird as different neighbours use different phones, microwaves etc throughout the day.

[@MrOpz]

35:08 I don't see the trackball controller option for the CDi 🙃 As a kid I experienced the CDi very early upon its release and that one only had a trackball controller. That was truly one of the most awful ways to play a game on that system......

[@MrOpz]

www.memoriabit.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/cdi-trackball.jpg

[@DGX64]

Correction: The Hyperkin Duke XBOX controller is not wireless (27:50). The camera man zooms in clearly on the part of the box that says wired controller.

[@steadycamscottford]

Omg I missed my life in gaming so much.

[@_The_Worst_]

Some of the controllers are very beautiful and awesome...🤘🏼💯✔️ Especially the Nintendo 64, the Sony Playstation 2, and the Xbox...❤️

[@stellarthefeller]

44:49 Dr. Mario getting hit was perfectly timed with the music.

[@Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaan]

What is the song at 0:53 ?

[@evanpatterson8487]

Allways loved the Dreamcast controller, still today the best triggers and best dpad Sega made. Cord out the bottom never bothered me, Nintendo copied it with the Wii classic controller. But truthfully The Duke on Xbox is my all time favorite most comfortable controller made for guys with big hands. Still use one today on my Xbox One

[@leecroft7311]

Always (and still do) love the “duke” Xbox controller. Still till this day I find it very comfortable to hold but yeah, that dpad isn’t great.

[@smashpro1]

Okay, it's been almost two years, the next generation has become the current one, I think it's time to talk about the Wii, Wii U, Switch, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox Series X/S, PS3, PS4, and PS5 controllers.

[@beastlylordhorse3612]

When the ps2 section starts REACH OUT TO THE TRUTH

[@tnbn55]

Your N64 joystick lasted because you weren't rigorously into the THQ wrestling games. 😁

[@DeformedConscience]

Everybody is dropping #2's lately.

[@8KilgoreTrout4]

You guys are super good!!! One of the best channels on KZbin!!

[@longtou6781]

Part 3?

[@PaperBanjo64]

Count me as a fan of the Nintendo 64 and especially its controller, that analog stick feels more mechanical than others, which I personally love.

[@williamcollings7214]

The dreamcast controller was a "inspiration" to the xbox controller because the xbox IS LITERALLY the dreamcast 2, ffs YOU GUYS KNOW THIS.

[@joejoe2658]

you have no concept of the word literally, or many others... ffs.

[@hanagomikusohana9118]

I want to expect they your content must be more like to "TV Show Sesame Street" = Entertainment and Education, but your content is more similar or shopping catalog for old freak people, "as the days go by".

[@geraldojunior7467]

The best part is the Xbox controller with hilarious music, hahaha

[@ThatGuywazhere]

( 18:12 ) Omg when i was a kid i had ps1 controller that had the concave sticks i thought i must have imagined things, As an adult now every one i talked to when growing up and even now had the convex style , my dad used to be in charge of all of sonys audio /visual setups in melboune in australia at the trade exibition centre and he was the one who got me into gaming and brought home my first ever playstaion with that exact controller, im 29 years old now and still own my original ps1 but my original controllers disapeared in a move, i bought some last year because i was on a nastalgia trip soi booted up ape escape but it just didn't feel the same and i couldn't understand why until i saw that controller, i suppose the ps1 will never feel the same again as i don't even know where i would try to get an original controller like that.

[@ThatGuywazhere]

Thanks @My Life in Gaming for making me feel like i wasn't crazy for all those years. :)

[@GeminiJay654]

DF colab while looking at the JAG?! I smiled so widely when it happened. Hahahaha.. Great video guys, like always!

[@barathsreelal3390]

Searched for this comment! :-D I like how John took the episode to his style in his portions! Felt like an wesome DF retro cameo

[@VaughnJogVlog]

No one should be donating a gaming console to a KZbin channel.

[@RUTGERMORTENSEN]

Convex not condex 🙄

[@RetrOrigin]

Nintendo was not the 1st company to make analog controls it's primary input style, many 80's consoles did. Most notably the Vectrex which has a potentiometer self-centering thumb-stick (and also introduced the more standard directional input on the left side with action buttons on the right side) The N64 stick is not actually analog. It utilizes the exact same type of optical incremental rotary encoders you can find on old rubber-ball style mice or trackballs. Love the video nonetheless, it's always a good day when a MLIG vid pop-up on my subscription box :)

[@fabianmolina3556]

Awesome work as always!

[@jackofallgamesTV]

I'd like to see "Episode Zero" of this series, Gendration 1'sAtari 2600's iconic controller of making many people play RIGHT HAND STICK. And Generation 2, the Era of Ambidexterity, with Intellivision, the ColecoVision, the Emerson Arcadia 2001, and even the Atari 5200.

[@bruceg22000]

Bring back the 6 buttons from the Sega Saturn -- it's way better for fighting games. Don't know why Sony and Microsoft still insist on only four face buttons.

[@retrobear9367]

I absolutely loved the Dreamcast controller. It was so comfy. Duke, oh god. I couldn't stand that controller. The black and white buttons seemed to be in such a weird place. The n64 controller, I have a legit Nintendo Clear green that crapped out on me. I ended up buying a knock off and swapped the guts. The insides were a little different. But I made it work. So unless you know what the OEM parts look like. You wont be able to tell the difference :)

[@pauldurst3901]

I can’t wait for a part 3 in first party controllers. Modern controllers are great and all, but I’ve always had at least 1 issue with each controller like the PS3 controller having a creaking noise to it compared to the PS2 and the XBOX 360 controller having just a terrible directional pad. That doesn’t mean modern controllers are bad, far from it, but I’ve noticed that earlier controllers have much more durability and don’t suffer from sticky buttons or analog drift as much.

[@kevinwoolford123]

The retrobit wireless pad was awful to use when I got it on release. Playing fighters the moves are either delayed or incorrect to what was being pressed when compared to an official mk2. Maybe updates have sorted this but on launch it was unusable for a fighting pad so got returned 😄

[@hvskyline1368]

I remembered playing bolt on PS2 I wanna say maaaybe when I was 5-6 years old and I was stuck at a boss fight because it was telling me to hit the L/R3 buttons and I was like THERE IS NO EXTRA BUTTON LIKE THAT lol

[@PaperBanjo64]

48:09 the octagonal shape is also bad for NASCAR Thunder 2003, steering feels really weird on the GameCube version, feels perfectly fine on PS2 and XBOX.

[@lazy_gamer_dad]

THA DUKE!!!! The Hyperkin version is wired to provide power and info to the centre screen because they (ironically) didnt have enough room for battery power.

[@WhoniverseReview]

The Duke is a controller that I absolutely hated at first, but now I believe it to be the most comfortable controller of all time.

[@syncmonism]

Probably the most impressed I've ever been with a new game or new system, is when I first played Mario 64 on a demo system set-up at my local computer and video game store. I've never seen such a big leap forward in BOTH graphics AND controller technology in a new generation system, and they complemented each other extremely well. Sega was right there with Nintendo in terms of also releasing a pretty good analogue controller around the same time, but they didn't make it the standard controller for their system from the beginning, so game developers were far less likely to design a game which really took advantage of the benefits of an analogue controller.

[@ArfaInk]

It bothered me how some of the controllers were dirty :/

[@MrOpz]

12:20 What is inserted into your top dock connector /slot on the Dreamcast controller? Is that some kind of wireless option indicating which player (1-4 it seems) is assigned on the front?

[@CortinasAndClassics]

Jagwar. Oh the Saturn model one pad was not just for the US market, we here in Europe got it as well.

[@carllavery4442]

I loved the N64 controller and Mario 64 still feels like it has better analogue controls than most modern games, whilst Goldeneye with an N64 pad is still my favourite way to play any FPS game. With the Gamecube pad being the most comfortable analogue pad I've ever held

[@steadycamscottford]

Also, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for commenting on N64 hand placement. I’ve been so tired of the “cool to diss” opinion of the controller using placement as a flaw. The KZbinrs who used placement look like 2000s kids playing with old tech without instructions like a cassette deck. It’s easy to look at old tech as flawed and that newer tech is superior but holy heck you have to go through evolutions to get excellence. It’s fine if you don’t like the n64 controller, it’s made in that awkward time in the early steps in 3D gaming , but it is a step to getting the much better GameCube controller.

[@lilock33]

I wonder if those same people complain about cars having three pedals - "But I only have two feet!". LOL. Maybe they can only handle driving automatics...😉

[@BrandonGiesing]

The PS2 was one of my first consoles and I've played 1000s of hours of it, this is literally the first time I've heard of it having pressure sensitive buttons. Shows just how little it was used or advertised I guess.

[@TroutButter]

Another banger of an episode. I think MLIG are the only ones that can make a video 54 minutes long and have it feel like only 10 went by. I swear, if MLIG made an 8 hour video I'd sit and watch the whole thing and it would feel like 30 minutes.

[@pigboykool]

As a fighting game fans, Sega Saturn Model 2 controller is the BEST controller 4 LIFE!!

[@greenkoopa]

I love my Saturn bluetooth controller, I use it for almost everything on the Switch

[@rorykurek643]

Pizza, beer, and a new MLiG episode: my idea of a perfect Saturday night.

[@olddrunkninja]

One small detail missed in the video regarding the Dual Analog controller: it has a secondary mode (indicated when you press the Analog button and a green LED lights up instead of red) that allows it to have compatibility with the few games that utilized the older PS1 Analog Joystick but didn't work with the normal analog setting of the pad. A neat little thing I've always found interesting about it.

[@lilock33]

You can also add in a rumble motor, as per the Japanese original, as the connections are still there. Unfortunately few games support it as they have to be programmed to specifically support dual-analog rumble which is completely incompatible from dualshock rumble.

[@louaial-obaidi3998]

Fun fact about the N64 controller: the "control stick" isn't actually analogue. It uses a pair of digital optical encoder, like a roller ball mouse. That's why it still feels so much more precise than modern analogue sticks. Shame Nintendo abandoned that solution with the Gamecube and onwards. I would have really like to have seen what a more refined and durable take on the design would have been like but I guess that two optical encoder based sticks would have been too bulky and too expensive for modern controllers. Fun fact about the Saturn 3D contoller's stick: It is analogue but weirdly it uses expensive hall effect sensors instead of potentiometers, as has become typical for modern controllers starting with the Dual Analog/Dual Shock.

[@arbiter-]

I really wish I could use an Xbox Controller S on PC. I love that pad more than any 360 or Xbox one controller.

[@jhighturntup5558]

Why did your Nintendo 64 controller look like it had peanut butter caked on it..??? 😂 Gross

[@SAClassHunterZero]

tfw Sony was actually reverting to their OG analogs with the PS4

[@THEREALVITO]

I don't know how modern you intend to get in the next episode, but definitely consider covering VR controllers like the Oculus Touch or Valve Index. Easily the most unique controller innovations are happening in that space.

[@ValkyrieTiara]

I'm 6'2" with huge hands. I loved the Duke ;_; Best controllers all time (imo): 3: PSX Digital 2: SNES 1: DualShock (2) SNES is a little too small for my hands and lacks the necessary functionality of the sticks and extra shoulder buttons, but is otherwise perfect. I wish the DualShock was a little more ergonomic in the palms and I'd love it if they adopted the convex primary/concave secondary style of the SNES face buttons, but is otherwise about as good as a modern controller can get. I hate the analog triggers on the DualShock 3 (analog triggers in general are meh to me, but the DS3 ones are the worst), though they're largely improved on the DS4. Still prefer normal buttons though. I will say I do prefer the staggered layout of the xbox sticks specifically for first person and over the shoulder third person games to Sony's "mirrored" style, buuut...... I still *VASTLY* prefer a mouse and keyboard for those games, and I hate everything else about the xbox controllers, so for a general use "best controller", they're not even in the running. Disclaimer: I've never used a Saturn controller. That said, I've never met a circle pad I liked, and six face buttons have never really worked for me. Also I'm not sold on the shape of the XYZ buttons (though, again, never actually tried them). I'm sure it's a fine controller, but I have my doubts that it would beat out the SNES. I'd love to be proven wrong, though!

[@kaitlyn__L]

In Europe there isn't the concave X and Y, so when I used an American SNES controller it was weeeird. They looked AND felt like parma violets!

[@jodaniel69]

Great video. Any hope for another 3rd party controller video?

[@evanpatterson8487]

Truthfully the Duke isn't really much different in size to modern controllers

[@JD-xz1mx]

Every time that this channel starts fanboying out to the N64 is just about the only time I find this channel's content insufferable. "Now that we know how to use the three prong design, the argument that 'I don't have three hands' holds no water." Have some integrity for a whopping three seconds. Declaring that an argument holds no water is not proving a point, and the fact that you can technically learn how to use something is not evidence of a good design. The claim that the opposing side is contesting that the games themselves require you use all three paddles at the same time is simply a straw man. The issue isn't, and never has been, that you need three hands at any one time (although there are certainly some Mario Party activities where it would come in handy) but that the design of the controller is spectacularly inefficient, as evidenced by literally nobody ever deciding to replicate this design. I can have a controller where I have access to the D-pad and the Analog stick from the same hand position. Why add 33% bulk to the controller to force me to pick? "It wasn't a concern in 1996..... it simply does not matter for the games on the Nintendo 64" How can you in any way state this as some kind of objective stance when you know perfectly well that people hated this controller in 1996 as well for precisely the games you're telling the audience it doesn't matter for? Controller feel is a very subjective subject, as this exact channel has stated more than once. Why does this suddenly change for the beloved N64? For the NES Dogbone, its all about subjectivity and personal opinion. For D-pads, and clickiness, its all about subjectivity and personal opinion. Then we get to the N64 and suddenly you're objectively wrong because you don't like what he likes. I don't even care about the N64 controller, but the quality of the journalism tanks every time that console pops up on the channel.

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] FYI, Coury does not like the N64 controller at all. The love for it is all me and my opinion. For most subjects, we stay relatively neutral and informational, but controllers is one subject where we feel it's appropriate to drop in a bit more opinion. To be fair, I probably throw a lot more gusto behind my love of N64 because of just how much push back there is against it. I want to give my perspectives on why it was an innovative controller that was well-suited to the times. Did you see many PS1 games make effective use of the Dpad in games that supported analog control? Did you see much effective use of the right stick? In some games, sure, but not that many overall, even though the possibility to use them is provided. As such, I don't think it makes much sense to speculate that had all parts of the N64 controller been accessible during play, that it would've been used effectively. Should the three prong concept have lived on? Heck no. But there was no blueprint for making a controller for such a 3D focused system at this time, and I feel that the controller is unfairly ridiculed for being made in a shape that attempted to accommodate classic Dpad input (for only a few games) while also making analog control a standard that every game developer could count on every consumer having access to. Was Sony's analog layout better? Yes! For the long run, that has been the smarter design. But it came later, and I don't think it automatically makes Nintendo's idea bad. I didn't like the idea of reaching for the DualShock stick at the time. But no matter which prong you hold on the N64 controller, your thumb is right where it needs to be without stretching. Now, we've all gotten used to the DualShock reach, but at the time I think it was a valid concern. Nintendo's solution of 3 grips with no reaching was not an inherently bad idea. And you know, sometimes limitations lead to better, more streamlined design. I don't know if that was at all behind Nintendo's philosophy with the controller, but I do feel modern control schemes can get too complex with Dpad shortcuts, four shoulder buttons, and so on and so forth. Simpler game designs that rely on fewer inputs is a big part of why I still enjoy going back to NES, Genesis, Game Boy, and N64. Sometimes that's just what I want to play. I love the DualShock and other modern controllers, but sometimes it just feels like there are functions all over the controller in every game just for the sake of ensuring no button goes unused. You're exactly right about it being a "straw man" argument, though. I was actually going to use that term in the script originally, but rephrased it. I do believe that many people on the N64-hating side of the debate have straw man arguments against the controller... straw men of their own making, not mine. Is the unused prong in your way? Do you really believe more than a tiny handful of games would have taken advantage of the L button and Dpad if you could access them more easily? Like I said, with very few exceptions like Ape Escape, the DualShock's potential was vastly under-utilized during its day, so why should I believe that L and the Dpad would have meaningfully changed N64 games? Criticisms against the durability of the stick certainly are very valid, but like I say, I have no idea why my sticks are still in such great shape. I played the system A LOT back in its day. At any rate, the N64 was an extremely important system to me through my teenage years, and was instrumental in me becoming much more engaged in video games as a whole. That is my experience, and I don't expect anyone who did not have such a positive experience with the system to feel the same way. But I do want to express my genuine enthusiasm for the N64, and to do so, I feel that requires providing a lot of context to describe the times, the system, the games, and the lack of precedent for such a controller. I don't expect my rants about the N64 to convert anyone, but I do ask people to at least respect the point of view of those for who the system was such a big deal, and why the controller allowed for such transformative experiences for a 12 year old in 1996.

[@mrmcguru163]

Have you guys thought of doing a best video output for the orignal xbox?

[@mylifeingaming]

[Try4ce] Of course. No promises on when it'll hit though!

[@mrmcguru163]

Thank you, also apparently soon there might be a digital to digital mod for the xbox too!

[@WhiteJarrah]

Kidney shaped! If a Gamecube controller loses an X and Y button, does it wake up the next day thinking somebody stole its kidneys?

[@sirdouglasberg]

The Saturn controller (1st Gen) was my favorite. It is by far THE BEST controller for any Street Fighter game. The same goes for the Saturn 3D controller, which the Dreamcast controller was based on, but not as good. I do have the RetroBit version and it is exactly as I remember the original.