Destiny 2 Lore - Tier Ranking Destiny's Final Raid Bosses according to their power in the lore!

Destiny 2's Lore contains staggering details on the power of the many raid bosses that we've faced over the years. But which raid boss is the most powerful according to the lore? Today I went through each final raid boss and gave them a tier ranking according to their power in the lore!
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[@christopherleeyee6011]

Lore Aside, Rhulk's fight is something I hope Bungie takes and runs with it in future raids and dungeons. That fact that Rhulk talks and has lines during the fight, taunts us during the fight added such a nice touch made it that much more satisfying to finish him off

[@titosfilippotis7039]

Plus, Rhulk being a boss that actively tries to kill you during damage phase is great.

[@kaladinstormblessed8790]

@@titosfilippotis7039 his sass is unmatched and I love it

[@palehorseriderx]

Rhulk is why Vow is my favorite raid. He is actively partaking in the fight, unlike other raid bosses. You can feel him going from "Ima take y'all casually" to "I will annihilate you and everything you hold dear" when the DPS phase starts.

[@MynameisByf]

100% this. Man felt like a totally different kind of fight. Glad that they built an epic character with such an epic encounter.

[@djfractle8419]

Last wish does something similar with Riven. I’m pretty sure she has lines while doing her legit.

[@BrotherShaw]

I'd say Rhulk is S+ lol. Knowing everything about Rhulk makes his defeat at our hands so satisfying. Especially when he goes from composed wielder of Darkness to a frenzied brawler when he realizes he's about to die. His arrogance (Admittedly, rightfully earned) was his undoing, and I suspect the Witness saw it coming.

[@cbandit7715]

Yeah and he's easy af with not much mechqnkcs a raid boss needs to live up to his lore.

[@masonwillms2542]

I love how since we entered the pyramid, he could have umbral suffocated everyone. But his wheel barrow sized balls were his undoing.

[@garrettviewegh677]

Just imagine how the Witness reacted: *sees his best Rook died, closes curtain. Goes to chess board and flicks piece resembling Rulk onto the floor*. They may not even care about any of its pawns. They probably don’t even consider Savathun or Mara players. Only the Traveler seems to be its adversary sitting across the board, and I feel they have gotten jaded of the Traveler continuously throwing the board in frustration.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

Well we took advantage of his inflated ego. And that was just the thing we needed to beat him. And this is just one Disicple. Imagine fighting even more. We need multiple fireteams in tandem to take them on.

[@mosisusasu9205]

Well Rhulk was already on the Witness' shitlist for a couple of failures. He was considered to be a disappointment to the Witness when we find him, put on Disciple recruitment duty rather than in the field. So I'd say he's hardly the Witness' best stock.

[@titosfilippotis7039]

Fun fact:At the battle of Mare Ebreum, Crota cracked the surface of the moon everytime he swung his sword.

[@tabbytabster]

ah, i always wondered why the moon was so fractured. i thought the alien races had mining operations there or something.

[@roryabshire8082]

@@tabbytabster could also be because of the Lunar Pyramid crashing there as well

[@Al-cf9qi]

Also fun fact he once got thrown into a vex gate by oryx

[@Kura_Kekoa]

@@Al-cf9qi that was just a “time out and think about what you’ve done” move by dear ol’ dad

[@LilSpookyyy]

@@Al-cf9qi omfg this lore is so interesting

[@puddi8817]

What I love about the eliksni bosses is that they are all way out of their league when we consider the power scale, but still put on a good fight by just having absolutely insane ideas and contraptions.

[@razatiger22]

The Eliksni used to be much more powerful when they all had the power of the light, Hence why they are called the Fallen now.

[@themythicalt8725]

@@razatiger22 The Eliksni never had the light. The Traveler bestowed the Eliksni with technological advances, terraforming and such, but they never had the Light.

[@kaiju9671]

@@razatiger22they never had the light, they are called fallen because they used to be a race of nobles but are now reduced to space pirates

[@THERATSANDTHERATS]

I love that the Fallen really do just say "Oh? God killers? Check this silly machine dumbass" and it works

[@Energumenus]

I think the devil splicers could have become much more powerful if left unchecked, given they had never mastered siva by the time we took them out. I think the strongest (ex?)eliksni we fight in D2 is the caretaker, funny enough. It's still got docked arm stumps, probably making it the most powerful dreg in destiny.

[@aenxiety]

I always saw Taniks as being similar to General Grievous from Star Wars. He’s a cyborg who doesn’t have any special powers but he still manages to go head-to-head with beings that are much more powerful than him and win anyway

[@jampshop2010]

Thank you! I see I’m not the only one who likes Star Wars!

[@thegloriouskingkronk8422]

Taniks and Val Ca'uor get a Rank S in respect for their lead cahonays

[@natem1579]

​@@jampshop2010 I can promise you you're not the only one who likes star wars

[@arcstaff]

Ahem

[@BitrateBilly]

One of my favorite tropes is a villain who manages to hit way above his weight class, not because hes crazy skilled or ultra powerful, but just because hes ballsy enough to try.

[@themememaster423]

This is the only Destiny tier list that I respect.

[@beninmalgaard9836]

You can say that again.

[@augustopatricio5517]

Yes 🍷🗿

[@SnyperMK2000JclL]

Canon power level dictated via lore is always superior to personal opinion or community opinion... Well that and uhmm... Byf... xD

[@beninmalgaard9836]

@@SnyperMK2000JclL Yep, and Byf indeed. 🤣

[@jaamirshaw1384]

I feel like Oryx gotta go down to A cause he not even touching Rhulk who orchestrated the creation of oryx entire race

[@Winn_Or_Lose]

“We do not know the true body count of the taken king” Damn Oryx really is a freak ain’t he

[@DieLoreleiValkyr]

As a guardian of D2 I can ensure you I’m in his body count fr fr

[@officedispatch2146]

@@DieLoreleiValkyr how was it?

[@bt-gn7zv]

@@officedispatch2146 unpleasant, he likes to go rounds

[@marcoslaureano8148]

Bro be taking more than aliens 💀

[@Ikol3751]

Transgodkings can GET IT

[@joelbarr1163]

Calus is hard to rate. One of his automatons was a raid boss. In the lore from the derelict Glycon, he controls at least 4 automatons at once. By Season of the Haunted, he seems to be remotely inhabiting the Leviathan which contains an army of the things.

[@reggielacey2235]

Callus is the strongest RAID boss

[@oryxthetakenking8275]

@@reggielacey2235 nah

[@redautobotsoldier3812]

@@oryxthetakenking8275 aren't you supposed to be a scout rifle

[@oryxthetakenking8275]

@@redautobotsoldier3812 which means I'm immortal even when I get dethroned, cuz I've lived on in other forms. What's Calus got on that?! Nothing. He hides from death behind his army of robots, what a wimp. He'll never be the Final Shape in this universe, he doesn't deserve it.

[@oryxthetakenking8275]

@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 and I've now outlived Rhulk, and come Lightfall I'll outlive Calus, since I'm alive in Touch of Malice whilst Rhulk isn't and Calus will probably be killed.

[@frederickstabell3796]

I think the easiest way to show how Rhulk is a power level above Oryx is pointing out Rhulk is single handedly responsible for the entire context of reality Oryx is aware of, and it was something Rhulk thought was a boring job to do.

[@SirSeed]

i agree. Oryx is probably the most powerful non disciple being in the universe other than like the traveler

[@gamerskingdom4897]

@@SirSeed and the player who at this point might just be the most powerful non primordial force of the universe charecter

[@nyalan8385]

Yeah I wish the game would recognize this more, like “holy shit this guy has killed every major player in the universe over the course of less than a decade”, but that never gets brought up in game

[@psythen4562]

That’s like saying a son will always be weaker than his father because his father is why he exists

[@reflex_scopes419]

@@psythen4562 Most kids who fight their dads lose. But that is mostly because the dad has everything to lose in the fights, so he isn't gonna hold back.

[@BigGuyBurrito]

I really want the darkness’ “Resonance” to be the last subclass we unlock. It would be so cool to command the same power that caused the collapse of humanity all those centuries ago.

[@Optically_Insane]

Ah yes, the red subclass

[@LimeTortilla]

The oscillating soundwave effects that resonance uses is cool as shit and we need more of it.

[@SentientMattress531]

Hell yes

[@jampshop2010]

Same, stasis and strand aren’t enough! Though strand is pretty cool.

[@Kaizenaka]

I came to the conclusion that had to be the final subclass, it wouldn't make any sense for something else since we've already seen Resonance in action

[@bryantmoore7117]

I feel like powers such as the Vault of Glass and Siva almost need to be reclassified as “hyper-causal,” meaning they’re powerful enough to overcome even paracausal magics.

[@Catalyst375]

No. Guardians wield paracausal power, and Ghosts are AI that channel the Light, but they are still very much affected by physical phenomena. This would include the likes of SIVA, and extend to the ontological weaponry of the Vault of Glass, with the Vault representing the pinnacle of what causal physics can achieve within the Vex domains. On the other hand, all it took was Kabr infusing the Aegis, a construct he made with Vex technology, with his own Light to create a relic that could break the Vex's power within the Vault, and shield Guardians from the Vault's power. Being able to kill a Guardian shouldn't warrant a made-up "hyper-causal" classification or the like; each race has been shown to permanently kill Guardians and their Ghosts without such advanced technology. The Hive are simply the ones that operated on the closest level due to their magic, while the others have utilized massive amounts of firepower to attain the result of killing Ghosts and permanently killing Guardians. We might have paracausal power, but we never were invincible.

[@bryantmoore7117]

@@Catalyst375 The tone I’m reading this with is interesting. Like you’re upset about my original comment. It’s also amusing that you call my word made up, for the obvious reason…. I simply thought it’s worth mentioning that sometimes we encounter beings or weapons of immense power that can eclipse the Light despite not being paracausal. If memory serves, Byf was taking off points in this video for being “just causal,” despite having immense power we barely defeated. As for my idea, Siva is hyper-causal because it can completely negate paracausal forces through sheer, overwhelming causality, in a way no mere bullet could. At least, that was my understanding regarding Sundance. I’m not sure if we still keep to that standard for what can kill a Ghost, given we pop them like bubbles these days. But we can go back and forth on that all day.

[@matthewloiselle5502]

@@Catalyst375 in the case of the vex, you don’t even need to make up a word. They’re not causal, they’re acasual.

[@xteel1013]

... Guardians are paracausal glass canons they can be killed with sufficient fire power including their ghosts🤷🏾‍♂️....and in combat they are not very impressive all you have to do is watch the Savala destiny 2 launch cinematic he gets bodied by fodder twice and had to be revived....

[@ThyBigCheddar]

@@xteel1013 Nah, Ghosts need paraclausal force to be killed

[@razatiger22]

I think at minimum Aetheon is A tier. The fact that he can erase people from existence and jump through time is what makes the Vex so insane. In the lore, the Vex pretty much crush every other race outside of the Hive.

[@triccari2095]

The vex crush even the hive aswell, in the flower game they dominated every single time the simulation was ran. The power to erase entire races from existence is something that’s hard for even oryx to do.

[@markeyerman4562]

I would disagree solely due to the fact Atheon only has the time powers inside the VOG. Anywhere outside he would get destroyed easily

[@FaizanMalik-kd8lk]

I think u forgot to mention that Ahamkara can live after death through their bones so Riven is powerful in that aspect as well.

[@captaincaptain8961]

I'm in full agreement with Riven. Something that can dance around even the Winnower's ideology is scary. I imagine once the Witness and the Darkness are driven back this Wish Magic stuff will be able to flourish their wings. Maybe we can learn to harness it.

[@MaxMustermann-si4kj]

But weren't the ahamkara hunted to extinction with riven being the last one? Seems to me that Riven isnt all that powerful, but rather a very good tool for Savathun to use

[@patsonical]

@@MaxMustermann-si4kj In Season of the Lost, we saw that Mara kept a single Ahamkara egg in her chambers, so it's very likely that they will be a plot point again sometime

[@captaincaptain8961]

@@MaxMustermann-si4kj Patsonical took the words right out of my mouth but I'd like to add one thing, the Nine. Since the Ahamkara are tied so close to the Nine they both could lead to a fun story point later on after the Darkness saga is over. Someone made a great post about Albios, a lesser known character, and how his mysterious death could hint at a "Void Realm" being a real tangible place with the Nine and possibly the Ahamkara involved.

[@plotfinder5640]

@@captaincaptain8961it’s the void fields!!!!!!! Let’s go get our friendly neighbor plague doggo.

[@thorveim1174]

@@MaxMustermann-si4kj the ONE thing limiting the Ahamkara is that they need the wishes of others to twist. They can in theory fullfill their own wishes, but if they do so they destroy themselves. But once they have a wish to work with (and its easier than it seems seeing they may catch even unspoken wishes), their power is essentially limitless as they literally eat at reality until the wish comes true. Also note that the monkey paw effect is deliberate, as a bigger change that was asked for feeds the ahamkara further; however there apparently was at least one of their specie that just fullfilled wishes without twisting them.

[@TheLastDman]

After we finally encounter Xivu (hopefully as a fully realized disciple) we can get a lore power ranking of the three sister at their prime. That'll be a really interesting discussion.

[@TheMrMayo]

Oryx, who took the powers of a Worm God and waged war with the Solar System because of lineage and Crota. Savathun, who was given the light and stole the Traveler and was able to manipulate so many people during her time with us. Xivu Arath, who now (currently) controls the forces of the Darkness under the Witness (possibly as a disciple) and is known as the War God of the Hive. Legit, that would be a fun lore video to go around on, because all three of them (arguably and equally) have their own merit of danger. Fingers crossed bungie gives a heck of a go with Xivu between Lightfall and Final Shape!

[@martyredge]

@@TheMrMayo Hoping too

[@Iamreallyhim]

Did you just disrespect orxy? Orxy identities as a male.

[@jaredhelms8958]

@@Iamreallyhim oryx doesn't just identify as male but transitions into one fully with the powers of the worm God making him the taken king

[@austinwilson7373]

@@Iamreallyhim actually he identifies as a scout rifle🙂

[@danielberrios3747]

I think Ahamkara in general are hard to place on a power scale. Armies of them have been wiped out by a pair of guardians, but as Byf said Riven bamboozled Oryx, and even the Guardian lest we forget. On top of that, Ahamkara can't really die can they? They just sort of...change. I'm not entirely convinced that they couldn't just remake themselves in certain situations.

[@GeoGyf]

Riven bamboozling the Guardians is an easy achievement, they have been bamboozled so many times by almost everyone.

[@zeffyeer]

Maybe a tier list vid on all the Fallen/Eliksni kells? I’d be interested to see how they all rank up, I’d probably say they’d be ranked individually over them and their respective Houses though. Or maybe a tier list on all the Iron Lords and/or Warlods potentially?

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

That wouldn't per say be difficult. S-Tier: Chelchis, Craask A-Tier: Eramis, Mara Sov, Inaaks B-Tier: Solkis, Virixas, Skolas, Misraaks C-Tier: Draksis, Uldren Sov D-Tier: Drifis, Unnamed Kell of Scar E-Tier: Variks (No Eliksni but a select few were willing to side with him.) F-Tier: The Unnamed Kells killed in lore long ago. I rated them based on around multiple factors: Leadership, Abilities, House Size, Status amongst the Eliksni, and Lore. Chelchis was considered a living legend amongst the Eliksni as he was willing to throw his life and house against the Maw, supposedly to save the rest of his race. Craask is another S-Tier because he is an orchestrative mastermind, responsible for many important events in Eliksni history as well as being the only known Kell of House Kings, the highest House caste in Destiny lore. The rest I wish not to go into too much detail, but if you could understand why I placed the characters where I did, that would be excellent.

[@freshfufrostbolt962]

@@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060y y is mara here

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

@@freshfufrostbolt962 She became Kell of Wolves after killing Virixas and defeating and imprisoning Skolas and his followers.

[@kelionpro9612]

Excellent video idea! I'd love to see a tier list of the strongest Guardians, according to their power in the lore.

[@bearcat1398]

Amazing idea for sure.

[@wolfikins2777]

It would be cool, but do we know many guardians in the lore? Like what their power level would be? I know we know Ikora and maybe shaxx and saint, but no other with enough creditable evidence come to mind

[@adarkwind4712]

Us then somewhere on the ground floor of the tower begins the strongest guardians.

[@Teastott]

What’s funny is the guardian is a basic guardian. The reason we are so powerful is because skill with the light and dark and knowledge that surpasses even the smartest warlocks.

[@kelionpro9612]

@@Teastott That’s true. We’re no more greater in paracausal might than the Vanguard, however we just happen to dabble with light & darkness powers.

[@p.h.bridegroom4142]

I always felt like the Vex were something that were made weaker to actually make it something that can be fought against. I feel like the capabilities that were given to them lore-wise would have made them utterly unstoppable in a technical sense. Like they have the opposite of plot armor, like a plot weakness. Or, even more terrifying, that they simply let guardians THINK that they were beatable to give false confidence. Maybe they choose to let the Light live to give opposition to the other forces of darkness, which they despise.

[@ToastyBits]

I'm saying this now, I would love to see you do a tier list for campaign and expansion bosses. I'm talking about the Heart of the Black Garden, Skolas, Ghaul, Uldren Sov, etc.

[@tabbytabster]

Gary!

[@gaiofattos2]

Ghaul would be pretty strong, but I think that Ghaul < Eramis < Xol lorewise.

[@Bugattiboy912]

For anyone who wants to make the mistake of comparing Oryx to Rhulk remember that Oryx served the Worm gods and will devour him if he ever fails to deliver enough tribute. The Worm gods serve Rhulk. Rhulk served The Witness. It's a completely different scale of power. It's basically middle management compared to a C-suite executive.

[@urazz7739]

It's also why I rank Savathun above Oryx in terms of power. She's still no match for Rhulk but she's powerful enough to trap him and I don't think you can trap a Disciple of the Witness with just trickery alone. You need to be close enough in power to trap him with trickery or he'll just break through it with power alone.

[@hoked2194]

@@urazz7739 She trapped Rhulk with the light though. We could've trapped Rhulk with the light too, but unlike Savathun, we didn't spend countless eons researching the light. Even Osiris is ignorant compared to the swathe of knowledge Savathun has on the Traveler and the Light.

[@gaiofattos2]

@@hoked2194 She did it with the wellspring, that used the light in abundance in her throne world to reflect the upended on Rhulk own ship and seal it.

[@gamerskingdom4897]

To be fair oryx surpassed the worm gods an killed one of them but rhulk literally treats the worms as glorified pets

[@LilSpookyyy]

These worm gods ? What is their origin

[@spentex]

Finally. Some proper destiny content from the community.

[@SKRRTCOBAIN00]

This is a tier list Recycled ideas are proper content now? Destiny youtubers are really down bad if y’all think like that

[@perfectalpaca6406]

I totally agree!

[@spentex]

@@SKRRTCOBAIN00 bruh chill tf out. It’s a comment. Not my thesis on entertainment.

[@allentayoto7387]

Something I can't help but wonder about are the implications that the Witness favor Nezarec more than Rhulk despite the Latter's powers and feat. The witness had been known to be willing to save a life in exchange for more lives to be ended. Rhulk is proof of that. Now take into consideration everything that happened in the Season of the Haunted. Despite Calus being at the core of it, the main problem at that time are the Nightmares formed through the "defense mechanism" of the Lunar Pyramid. We haven't even seen the extent of what can Nezarec and its Pyramid can do. Nezarec is even referred to as an "End" and seem to possess the same transcendence to death that Ahamkaras posses. With Delicate Tomb implying Nezarec's consciousness is within the relics similar to how Ahamkaras are with their bones. All this lore about Nezarec possibly returning and the Witness trying to make Calus fuse with the Lunar Pyramid, Nezarec's Pyramid. Makes me wonder if the Witness' plan is to use Calus as some sort of vessel for Nezarec's return. The witness is known to use deception (like what it did to the Hive) maybe, it didn't tell Calus the full truth. Calus will indeed be the last, but not as "Calus" he will be "Nezarec".

[@sillysiji5257]

Tanniks' sheer will is paracausal! He defies death every chance he gets 🤣🤣

[@Shapes_Quality_Control]

Rhulk is a case of “what have you done for me lately.” Overtime I think Oryx outclasses every other disciple.

[@cs82271]

Atheon will always have a special place because he was the first. 14yo me had never learned a story like its before. A being piloted by radiolaria, robot but not microorganisms, that controls timelines and acts not out of intention, but instinct. We're so used to intelligent beings having the power but Atheon, and the rest of the Vex, are more animal than anything else. Because of this, the Vault of Glass is genuinely TERRIFYING

[@ShifterX3]

Idk if anyone mentioned it but on destinypedia in the Trivia tab for insurrection prime it say that during the Livestream Raid Along the devs said Insurrection prime's wipe mechanic is big enough to destroy the entire last city. Now idk about you but that seems like a pretty important point to take into account

[@hipsterpantsgladstone9767]

This is seriously the only ad I didn't skip. Props to you for taking on an honorable cause for your promotion.

[@danielnorris9753]

At points like this it's a reminder that having just one pyramid ship to call his own was a major feat by itself and to face the witness with potentially hundreds or thousands of them or perhaps even more is insane

[@Franchise1107]

(a bit late a know) To be fair the Calus ranking feels pretty fair since we aren't technically fighting Calus in that raid, yes his psions are really fighting us but we are just fighting the robot as the boss and not himself. Says a lot about his potential full strength if the robot is wielding the true power of Calus in some fashion though.

[@Nukyyy]

Bro is using anything but good weapons for any kind of dps phase 💀 a bow for riven, sweet business for calus outbreak for ghalran

[@Buzzkill-bm2ry]

I think you forget how good outbreak was for damaging ghalran was considering you had to transition to his hands mid fight.

[@netternachbar6260]

Sweet Buisness was one of he better DPS weapons in year 1 when you ran out of heavy, since there were no special weapons.

[@philipbeasley3652]

I have to ask this question because I’m detecting a hidden presupposition: does paracausality necessarily mean more powerful than the lack thereof? Paracausality, metaphysically speaking, minimally means another category outside of natural causality rather than a description or attribution of power. For example, Aksis could be more powerful than a paracausal being, but lacks those types of powers because this abilities do not fit into those categories.

[@RobbieBise]

Honestly, and I know this is a HUGE ask, I'd love to see a ranking of the in-game stories. Very interested in hearing your thoughts and reasoning of everything from D1 Vanilla to Season of Plunder.

[@fab5haus]

You should do a ranking of all major bosses throughout campaigns, dungeons, and raids. It would be really interesting. Probably just add to this list or something

[@swaggycheese303]

I definitely agree about Riven. Given that every being has desires and her powers are likely fueled by desires, she could have been used as an immensely destructive weapon had we not put her down.

[@guywalker297]

love this. You should do more tier list with lore in mind of course. Because it really shows the feats of Guardian's and how strong Guardian's truly are to people. How they defeated these enemies of humanity/ Sol system and more. People seriously downplay these guys. All in All Great video as always Byf.

[@blueacolyte3353]

I’d love to see other bosses ranked based on this criteria. Strike bosses, dungeon bosses, or even lesser raid bosses. You could even do a list of deceased guardians; that might be interesting.

[@wafflestcattash4818]

12:31 from the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh. It disgusted me.

[@kyleespinoza7201]

I always interpreted the fight with Val Ca'uor to be less fighting a random low ranked Val and more like the last collective strength of the Red Legion itself. The Val was outfitted with the best gear and supported by the remaining most powerful ships of the Legion's fleet, although that clearly still wasnt enough

[@MasterJunior93]

23:47 okay, I'm not gonna argue with you on this one. Insurrection Prime is a straight up Metal Gear, and I love it!!

[@wakalaka8363]

Hey Byf, just figured I'd let you know that established titles has been confirmed a scam and their plaque is just a gag, you end up not owning a plot of land, and you are not actually a lord/lady. There was a pretty big video that dropped showing the legality of it all.

[@xSP33DYx408]

I like how skolas was harder to beat than crota that they had to nerf skolas on D1

[@zackarypilarski3531]

I would love to see a tier list of famous guardians in lore along with the vanguard and other known guardians.

[@tabbytabster]

would be nice to see a tier list of the power of individual guardians by lore, but it's understandably difficult to do, given that there are not many descriptions or displays of their prowess, only their fame

[@alzarinsardek3669]

Especially since you decided to randomly throw in Skolas I definitely think this vid should have been a Campaign Big Bad's + Raid Bosses ranking. Sometimes they overlap anyways(Oryx was the main enemy in the main campaign for Taken King) and Ghaul, Eramis , Savathun and Fikrul all pose/posed as big or bigger threats than a lot on this list.

[@lohisc]

I normally just listen to byf’s videos while I work, but this time for some reason i got my phone out and saw the “top tier use of super” part 😂😂 LOVE IT!!!

[@skeryeet_6038]

Enjoy your break big man, you deserve it!

[@Spectre115]

Taniks has been stabbed by us at least 4, the 3 times Byf mentioned, and when he was in a nightmare form.

[@akka8588]

I have a feeling that if Oryx ever did find out about the existence of Rhulk, he probably would be fucking livid. Because he truly believed that he was the closest connection to the darkness and yet Rhulk is the first disciple of the Witness and literally made the Hive for shits and giggles to see if they could actually be of use for the goals of reaching the Final Shape. Knowing him he would probably rant a bit in a book of sorrow verse if he had learned of his existence, and then probably go after weaker disciples of the Witness and then finally face Rhulk to try to prove that only he should deserve to be that close to darkness. The only question though is whether the Witness or Rhulk would directly intervene if they see that their disciples are dying one by one from their experiment that is the hive?

[@gamerskingdom4897]

Rhulk maby i dont get the vibe that the winese would if a being would die they deserve to die and all that i mean did he help rhulk when we killed him

[@akka8588]

@@gamerskingdom4897 true, it would quite interesting to see a scenario like this though

[@whiteevropean]

the witness would probably encourage Oryx to do that. hes all for final shape stuff. Rhulk as arrogant he is, will probably shrug it off as a meme. Until its to late. Although that fight will be legendary.

[@ntrung1609]

Oryx at full power is something you have to consider super dangerous

[@szxnv]

We love having you bro, you been helping me with sleep problems ❤

[@alansapp5446]

Who’s here after salvation’s edge?

[@_F_F_F_F_F_F_]

Not me 😢

[@yasininn76]

Lmao not in a thousand years, it's a miracle I found people to clear the first week of pantheon with.

[@bjornthefellhanded5655]

Doing a Video on the Strike Bosses power levels, and then Dungeon Bosses could be fun.

[@Bubblepup]

Wait if I remember correctly isn't there a triumph for beating dsc and it gives you some sort of helmet which you can place in the house next to the exo stranger? I've always assumed that the helmet came from taniks

[@acgearsandarms1343]

That’s not a helmet so much as Taniks’s actual head. He’s so robotic he barely has any biological parts.

[@Bubblepup]

@@acgearsandarms1343 ah I wasn't sure if that was taniks head or not. Thank you for the clarification!

[@justineells7518]

Now we need an update that includes Calus updated and Nezerec

[@sal_monella]

Warframe lore vids when? Nothing about Angels of the Zariman? Veilbreaker? Duviri?

[@ethanrapp6998]

Love the video but I'm pretty sure the sponser, Established Titles is a scam. You don't actually get a real title and there's no evidence they actually plant trees.

[@Delenomes]

Though it is true Rhulk posseses the most raw strength of all raid bosses, raw strength is not always enough to win as proven by his defeat at our hands. He underestimated his opponents leaving himself wideopen for unexpected attacks. If he was to go against Riven, she could easily turn all his paracausal strength against him after he wished to defeat her. With self-righteous state of mind that Rhulk he's left vulnerable to cleverness of his enemies

[@isaiahmazurkiewicz8906]

i dont know if that would be necessarily the case for why riven could potentially beat him. it takes a presupposition that he underestimates everything equally and for the same reason, to believe that someone like riven would win through similar means. i personally think that part of his underestimation of the guardians was due to a bigotry against the light, less so that he thought he was simply too powerful. i draw this conclusion from two points: the time he captured a ghost for study, and his fanaticism of the Witness. to point one, it seems to suggest that he lacks knowledge of the light and what it can do, which is also shown by the effectiveness of the light curse against his pyramid ship, thus his goal was experimentation, until the traveler detonated the ghost. to the second point, he sets the Witness far above everything else in his mind, to Rhulk, the Witness is the most powerful and by extension the powers he has obtained through him would be unmatched. to further why i dont think Rhulk would approach this fight the same way, it would be rather safe to assume Rhulk has encountered ahamkara before, and if the theory that the wyrm gods are ahamkara is be believed, then he even enslaved some. i come to this conclusion through probability, Rhulk predates the hive, which are said to be billions of years old, thus he has a fair estimate of billions of years, and in that time due to his paracausal "weight", i think ahamkara would seek him out, and if not id imagine that Rhulk would have at the very least heard about them and thought to use them in bringing about the final shape. also lets not forget that Rhulk made the hive, so it would stand to reason he was observing around the time Xivu "allegedly" encountered them in the books of sorrow

[@arsarma1808]

He did canonically lose to Savathun... so probably below Oryx at the very least.

[@Delenomes]

@@isaiahmazurkiewicz8906 he did get tricked by Savathun and heavily underestimated a fireteam of guardians, meaning he is not smart enough to resist Riven's wish magic like Mara or Savathun could. If these two were to encounter, Riven would have enough strength to bring the whole universe to its knees as it was once almost done. Im not sure it was Riven, but Ikora once accidentally made a wish that almost brought an end to the existence itself, luckly Mara prevented that outcome. So I have no doubts Riven can defeat Rhulk if she wanted to

[@Goro4armsneck]

@@arsarma1808 He didn't though. Rhulk was imprisoned on the TW by the Witness as punishment fot his arrogance. He couldn't really do much.

[@Delenomes]

@@Goro4armsneck The Witness sent Rhulk to "babysit" Savathun as a punishment. Then Savathun trapped him

[@southafricanplebgamer9192]

3 months later and I can confirm Calus is weak man got 1 manned and used by the witness and nothing but filler.

[@Kestrel990]

Calus actually does have psychic power of his own that he obtained by drinking Nessus wine, and it is far beyond that of a piston

[@jampshop2010]

Psion*

[@Kirrøchi]

All the D2 only players confused when he says when oryx killed mara but mara is still alive 😂

[@c.fyffe0]

Just a heads up the title stuff is a scam, look it up, they haven't even bought one tree

[@Xivu_Arath2596]

As someone who tries to keep up on the lore as much as possible, I completely agreed with the ranking you did. I'm a HUGE Hive fan, and even with that, I still knew Rhulk would rank where he did. Despite Savathun trapping him in her throneworld, it was easy to see it was hard for her to keep him there. I have to wonder if she actually DID manage to keep the Traveler inside her throneworld, could that have helped her subjugate the subjugator? I was happy to see Sanctified Mind ahead of Atheon. I've had debates about this with clanmates and other people who think "Atheon could beat Sanctified Mind". If there ever was a fight between those 2, I'd bet on Sanctified Mind. Yes, Atheon's Oracles *could* mark Sancti, but I think he could still beat Atheon due to the darkness power advantage, whereas Atheon doesn't have that paracausal influence as you mentioned.

[@teddie1171]

I hope bungie will eventually actually start treating the vex as a massive threat again as for a while it’s always them being cucked by almost every faction . It almost feels like every since destiny 2 they made them way too weak while making the other factions power bullshit ridiculous like the fact that the broken red legion with three stupid ass Psions can just casually hijack there systems and they can’t do fuck all about it.

[@jordanreavis8163]

The vex are terrifying in their own way, though; unlike the fallen, cabal, and maybe even hive, there will never be an alliance with the vex. It will always be vex vs everything else, including the witness/darkness

[@ThyBigCheddar]

The Vex are so tricky to integrate into the story because they use time travel, which is the easiest way to remove any stakes in a story. They're either pathetically weak or stronger than the Witness, and it's hard to get an in-between.

[@GeoGyf]

Nah they cant adapt that good. They have splintered into factions and they have wars with one another. Their code is corrupted and this results to computing errors.

[@claytonmitchell5685]

Easy answer for me. I would love a tier list of the story/lore of every destiny release, seasons included. Since it’s contents haven’t been touched in a long time, I’d love to see how the story and lore of a season like SOT Drifter line up to other seasons. Obviously that season had a lackluster gameplay loop, but it was the first comprehensive info we got into what the Nine are and the Ecdysis lore book about Orin trumps every other Destiny 2 lore book for me. Compared to season everyone (myself included) love, I think this season’s lore could surprise, and I’d love to see how you think every Destiny release’s stories weight up against each other

[@seanslaysean7097]

6:00 HOLY CRAP I never thought about that! It always bugged me why there were only 3

[@Light_Buster]

The 'First Disciple' OST was a missed opportunity. Regardless, Rhulk. Is. No. Joke. He does not believe we're better than him and believes we are a joke to him, until we taught him the hard way and killed him.

[@jordanread5829]

Oryx definitely feels like he should be worthy of the Disciple title. He basically was one in all but name.

[@habibi8502]

Even though Val Ca'uor is F tier, his design to me is S tier. I love the very bulky and heavy armor he is wearing that is both reminiscent of W40k Space Marines and also being very roman-isque, the cabal magma launcher he has and the huge magmapack. since the first time I did Spire of Stars I have always wished for a titan armor set that is based on him. also even lore wise, whilst he is nothing but a Val, I always loved the fact that he took command of the remnants of the red legion fleet and mounted a raid on the Leviathan before even being promoted to a Valus.

[@ValentinoMarino11]

Massive cabal are just so badass to me. More than Oryx or Riven. I love seeing these absolute units covered in impenetrable armor be nigh-impossible to kill.

[@Breakingthebane]

I think people believe Oryx was more powerful than Rhulk because there was just so much better buildup. Like, the entire Taken King campaign is centered around him, and before that even starts, you get to see him obliterate the Awoken. With Rhulk they were just kinda like "oh here's Rhulk btw haha"

[@KaijuAlert]

You know this Established Titles thing is a scam, right?

[@andrewbobandrew111]

Legitimately the only in-video ad I have ever listened to

[@m3tr0id86]

A lore video tier list on my Birthday! Yes please!

[@mallow2902]

I feel like ultimate victory for the guardians is kind of a foregone conclusion. If Rhulk is that immensely strong and the guardians can just waltz into his pyramid and literally kill him at first sight, what honestly can stop them? To be fair though, the guardians have had to take power from other beings in the form of weaponry, but I think the point still stands. Guardians are the apex predators of the universe until something can prove otherwise.

[@corrosive1376]

Rhulk only lost because he decided not to murder us in 10 seconds because he was in a silly goofy mood

[@DropDeadDebater]

Rhulk’s ego got him killed

[@arsarma1808]

@@DropDeadDebater If that's that case, he didn't really possess power to begin with. Strength, maybe, but the willpower and intelligence of a gnat. Barely self-aware if anything. No wonder he lost to Savathun, whose biggest strength is cunning.

[@horrorpleb249]

Rhulk definitely is S+ tier for sure. The fact is I'd call it pure luck that we even managed to beat him, had we not obtained the darkness in beyond light we'd likely have lost. I expect people to disagree but you cannot lie when you see rhulk in the raid and based on his lore, the fact that we managed to hurt him at all is beyond anything even the most legendary guardians could accomplish, even surprassing saint-14, osiris, ikora and shin malphur.

[@EmergentBark]

I can’t ever think of a being that can say “You don’t exist” and blink you out of existence as anything other than S-tier. I respect the rest of the tier list though, very well done!

[@zebrastripe665]

Great list! Would love to see this applied to other things like named Guardians or story bosses

[@Devilsruinguy]

As strong as they are they were all killed by 6 doofuses uses their godlike powers to make fake pop corn and watch one of them kill themself

[@TheK1ngBNazty]

I'm disappointed that Savathun doesn't have a raid of her own. Maybe later, in S19 her ghost Immaru will revive her & she will be a raid boss as well as taking Immaru out for good. Would be a nice conclusion to our year long battle with the Lucent Hive, & moving onto some Shadow Cabal next 🥳

[@Awoken_Remmuz]

Consider we already know we'll be getting a dungeon next season she'd at most be that. Tho personally I suspect she herself have played her part as a active hostile and when she returns she'll play a diffrent kind of role in the narrative.

[@jordanread5829]

@@Awoken_Remmuz Yeah I have a feeling that Immaru might have to shallow his pride and ask us for help. As we might not be the only ones hunting for him. As long as he lives, Savathun can come back. Meaning that Xivu Arath is most likely after Immaru to complete the task the Witness asked of her after Season of Arrivals.

[@senormacaco2834]

@@Awoken_Remmuz No Savathun but we do got some yeehaw

[@horrorpleb249]

Its more likely that savathun may not become a raid because of her motives. Her goal is to protect the traveller from the witness and that aligns with our goals as well, we're trying to protect the last city and the traveller. The moment we lose the traveller is the moment our light is gone and we become defenseless. So its more likely savathun would become an ally rather than an enemy because it doesn't make sense for her to still fight us, hell to be fair we technically forced her hand since we didn't realise her motives. She's not evil as most people think, her actions are actually pretty noble, she wanted to put the traveller in her throne world to keep it safe and she even trapped rkulk's ship inside preventing him from attacking earth. Not only that, she kept her promise to free osiris, she never killed him, merely she used him so she could gain knowledge on the light. She doesn't care about humanity, she only cares about the traveller but her actions are the reason humanity is even alive to begin with. So if she does come back, one things for sure, she'll do everything in her power to protect the traveller and she is smart so she'll make the right choices in mind as well, if she doesn't align with us then it disregards everything we've known about her so far. She's a master of deception and manipulation but again, she's not evil.

[@traolin5877]

@HorrorPleb you've been manipulated by the manipulator. Savathun is evil and selfish. The only reason she's helping the traveler now is that she realized rebirth was the ticket to getting out of her pact with the worms. It's why she took an interest in Nokris and his necromancy and accepted him into her group. She didn't suddenly have a change of heart. Although, after we showed her the lies of the worms, she may genuinely side with us on her next rez

[@Saxm13]

Taniks deserves S tier by transcending his reality to become legend in our reality through sheer meme-ery and his refusal to die. Also I'd argue Riven (and other ahamkara)'s ability to rewrite the rules of the universe on a whim just to feed makes them far more dangerous than anything else in Destiny's universe so far. It's a wonder that humanity ever managed to actually beat them at all.

[@alexok37]

Byf should definitely take cash where he can probably but established titles is definitely a scam and provides no ownership or environmental protection sadly. Owner is a known conman, and a Google will give you a long history of scams he ran.

[@rafaelrobles2688]

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[@alexok37]

@@rafaelrobles2688 there was a not very reputable ad at the beginning of this video, was just warning ppl. From like a year ago lol

[@rafaelrobles2688]

@@alexok37 ohhh I thought you were calling byf a con man and was a bit confused lol

[@Dr.Awes0me]

Established Titles is a scam. Not only is that not how lordship works in Scotland, but they haven't shown any proof that they actually donated. Plus I actually buy this, and they never even sent me my framed paper. They also keep spamming my email. Basically don't waste your money or if you do use a burner email.

[@uplandgaming3266]

“Even Throne Worlds are not safe.” Multiple hive learned that from a couple feisty fist throwers.

[@coreymoyies7653]

If we get another tier list, could it be How powerful exotic weapons are in lore? That sounds interesting.

[@Wolfdangarang]

Yikes on that Established Titles sponsorship. Too bad it's a scam.

[@Lahrcan]

That Argos joke caught me by surprise. Good show.

[@eleventhoperator]

I'd love to see another tier list ranking the other raid bosses, like the Warpriest, the Consecrated Mind, the Caretaker, etc. Obviously nowhere near as powerful as the raid bosses in this video, but I love learning about the lore in a simple tierlist like these, and I think you'll gain a lot of followers by doing these.

[@kingscourt9559]

It really puts it into perspective just how powerful The Guardian really is, they can take on every single threat on this list that can destroy planets, warp time and space, manipulate the very soul of an endless army, and more, but we walk in and take them out without breaking a sweat

[@josephpolitano8091]

I’d say the sanctified mind is A tier he might be the strongest vex we’ve fought yet just based on title it’s a shame we don’t have any lore on him

[@GetLikePrincee]

12:26 bro I miss the scout so much was my favorite from D1

[@arcadeinvader8086]

Guardian: "I killed a god yesterday, what have you got mr. fallen" Fallen: "I'm a little bit taller than a regular tall guy" Guardian: "by the traveller..."

[@ISyphonHp]

The only Byf video under 1 hour

[@cry1pticzer773]

Now that this is here, can you go over lightbearers, including our Guardian and Savathûn?

[@thedoctor323]

I need to point out, you don't own the land in scotland if you do what is in your advert. unless you set up a domicile there, the land can be resold after a certain amount of time...and you can't build a house on 1 square foot .

[@OnTheLowLow16]

Bro you better apologize for promoting a scam.

[@yaboikiba4302]

We really went from "Hehe, look, it's Taniks again, and now he has a hoverboard" to the strongest soldier of the witness in a whiff and we didn't even flinch

[@WaterFlame3030]

This is perhaps one of your best works in regards to Destiny 2

[@hassanfarooq2321]

Hey Byfe, there was a video I saw a few weeks back in regards to Established Titles being a scam. And how they are based out of China.

[@Astrapionte]

Byf, Can you rank all exotic weapons based off of lore? (Exotic kinetics, energy, and power weapons)? I def want your opinion of One Thousand Vouces

[@ryryescalante9001]

Vow of the Disciple is easily one of if not my favorite raid. Raided it so much. It was great.

[@jnlewis114]

What I love most about this video, is listening to the music 😻