Destiny 2 Lore - This is why Exos need to forget, eat & sleep. The Journals of Clovis Bray part 10

Destiny 2's Lore and Story tells us about why Exos need to forget, eat and sleep to survive. The Journals of Clovis Bray detail these experiments and how the first generation of exos died to DER without the humanisms that were eventually programmed into them. All the while, Maya Sundaresh remained a persistent mystery and the threat of the Vex began to grow.
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[@jamescruz8678]

As soon as I saw the title I immediately thought: this is why Exussy is also canon

[@zacharystein6490]

Get help

[@jamescruz8678]

@@zacharystein6490 considering the price of therapy the best I can do is being mildly horny on the internet 💀

[@astracontritus1209]

Ayo? 🤨📸

[@mizuki2560]

My brother bathed in the light of the traveler, what the hell

[@Blaze78x]

Lmao 🤣 🤣

[@kyleespinoza7201]

You know, I had this thought recently. The Darkness- infused Vex mind fluid is needed to maintain the consciousness of the individual being turned into an Exo, and now that we know Darkness is heavily tied to consciousness, personhood, and sense of self that makes a lot of sense. But it is interesting how the delusion that the Exo's went through before the memory wipe process was implemented seems to mirror Hive forced evolution rituals and philosophies and Rhulk's own evolution into a Disciple at the hands of the Witness. Very curious, all of it.

[@captindo]

I imagine this disease is something like a death loop a person would undergo while on a heroic dose of magic mushrooms. Going through that for hours is agonizing, but for a life time? This would be a fate worse than death.

[@ajb128128]

Coming from experience,I don’t think it would be possible to live a life going thru that omg you’re right

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

when you put it that way I guess mind uploading would be pretty psychedelic

[@Forcer69]

I’m just saying. If Exos need to eat could they resort to exo cannibalism, if they got hungry enough?

[@smoldoggy1005]

Has Drifter ever eaten an Exo frame?

[@rohncarver3585]

@@smoldoggy1005 probably not

[@SymbioteMullet]

​@Rohn Carver want to bet on that?

[@gumbo821]

Would you eat chunks of plastic and metal?

[@smoldoggy1005]

@@gumbo821 He claimed he ate Cabal and wanted to eat Vex goop…

[@dominobuchanan-vargas7601]

Dont know why but the Clovis Bray logbooks are my go to comfort read. I always find myself coming back and rereading or relistening to it being told, I guess it’s just that good.

[@mukei8995]

me too

[@feetmask113]

@@mukei8995swear it’s lowkey the best

[@Phi_AU_]

All I want to say is MSUND-12. Loving this little series, Byf! Itching to watch the next one.

[@wannabememelord4607]

9:16 crucial confirmation that Elsie has in fact, always been a baddie

[@lostsoul7345]

how does that show she is a baddie?

[@maday5-019]

@@lostsoul7345 her exo body was based on her human one

[@Rekkoff]

And that she was always packing a full bakery. :P

[@arsenalxa4421]

See, Clovis wasn't all that bad!

[@ehoffart529]

@@arsenalxa4421 i really hope Clovis didn't personally design her model.

[@tigrePrankster]

I have so much vested interest in this series because my hunter is an exo, and I'm a writer, so naturally I wanna make lore for my characters. Thank you for covering the lore behind exos!

[@droehnix]

My warlock is a Exo, I made him look like Bumble Bee from transformers

[@tigrePrankster]

Hell yeah!

[@KidandSquid]

My warlock is an exo! Her name is eda-3, what's yours??

[@tigrePrankster]

Icon-27!

[@onigirls]

I'm the same with my Exo Warlock! This topic interests me like no other, even though destiny lore is fascinating overall.

[@BrandonBlargSmart]

Can you do a speculative video about the Exos who seem to break the mold of what we know about Exos? Thinking about Ada-1 & Elsie Bray, who never have been wiped; Banshee-44, who has a failing memory despite technically only getting reset once within the same body; Siddhata Golem & Rasputin, who technically aren’t human brains in Exo bodies, but in the case of Felwinter was still deemed alive enough to be blessed with the Light; and Moss, who is able to share a brain with his Ghost. I feel like the things we “know” about the Exo are incomplete pictures.

[@SivaExperiment]

ada-1 iirc is a different kind of exo. an one of a kind highly experimental exo frame. one that was infused with radiance and BA tech. it is heavily implied that BA tech and radiance was based in the light in some way. much as braytech's exos (and possibly other braytech technologies) are based in the darkness

[@SivaExperiment]

ada's frame is basically the BA's attempt at an exo and its a successful one. though what spurred on BA's development of an exo i do not recall

[@peteraustin9057]

@@SivaExperiment Helga Rasmussen worked on the exo project with clovis for a while before leaving due to ethical objections (what a surprise), so that's at least where the black armory got the tech/experience from. As for why they had a body ready to go when the pyramids showed up, idk. An interesting detail about ada 1 is that Adelaide meyrin, who became ada 1, was a kid when she died during the collapse and was put into the exo body as an emergency. If the exo byf mentioned in this video had a hard time because her walk was different, I can't imagine how weird it would have been for ada 1 to wake up with a child brain in an adult body

[@SivaExperiment]

@@peteraustin9057 ah ok that makes sense i always wondered how they got the know how. also it was stated or heavily implied that the exo frame was basicaly a mobile forge correct? and the obsidian accelerator was a major component in it. i think the BA had a very strong suspicion that something would happen causing some form of extinction.

[@peteraustin9057]

@Siva Experiment 42.9320 You're right, the mobile forge was the reason they built the exo body. I forgot about that

[@tairgoth]

I find it interesting how similar the process of becoming an exo is to bring resurrected as a guardian to include the loss of memories

[@kyleespinoza7201]

You know, I had that thought too! It seems the Traveler might have taken some inspiration from Rasputin and his Seraphs along with Clovis and the Exo's. Very interesting stuff.

[@tairgoth]

@@kyleespinoza7201 or that it's a system our universe due to the presence of of both the light in the guardians and the darkness in clarity control

[@CjSoils]

This made me think, does becoming a guardian mean you go from Exo-1 to Exo-2? It wipes your memories right?

[@tairgoth]

@@CjSoils what would be weirder yet is you've already lost your real memory so does that count as your lost memory or do you then lose your exo personality

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

@@CjSoils Exos retain their memories even after becoming a guardian.

[@jackgammon1490]

Excited to hear your thoughts on Entry 12 of Clovis Bray's Logbook. Hands down one of the most unsettling pieces of lore in Destiny imo

[@Eldrisaur]

Every new bit of new info about Clovis Bray just further solidifies how much of a monster he is

[@colmukrainec]

Byf brother I’m BEGGING for the final two parts this series is one of the best and most intriguing by far

[@aarongeorge4885]

Some of the talk about memory wipes is unusually similar to Guardians inability to remember anything from the past.

[@stephen90944]

I see a Byf video. I click a Byf video.

[@gabrielgalasso4899]

We are simple men

[@stephen90944]

@@gabrielgalasso4899 Maybe, but cultured men as well, thanks to Byf. :P

[@gabrielgalasso4899]

@@stephen90944 indeed

[@jasonkeely7269]

This f@

[@dawnmoore8388]

This was a great video. You've touched on and vaguely confirmed my thoughts on Clovis, the Exos and Maya S.. I'm looking forward to your forthcoming videos.

[@uwotm-kn6ic]

Great Series Byf - Please continue this!! I'm so eager to see the next episodes. I literally devoured all the Clovis Bray Journals after Beyond Light's Launch, but I have forgotten some parts of it and I think I am missing some bigger perspective on certain areas of the journals. It's awesome to see your BIG Lore-Horizon dissecting the individual lore parts of Clovis Bray. Thank you. Please continue.

[@esaigarcia1002]

that outro always gives me goose bumped i hope that it never fades thank you byf

[@collierchipman]

Love your lore videos! Keep up the good work

[@cease-desist]

That was very grim, kinda forgot this was Destiny 2 for a second

[@lycanite8811]

ooo new byf video, love it

[@daedalus1256]

When can we expect the next episode? Or are you done making episodes for this series? Also, couldn’t help but think, when that audio log about Elsie’s custom frame was playing, “dang! Elsie was built like before becoming an exo?!”

[@nekksplitta4054]

Need all byf's content in spotify

[@WhiteOrb]

I love the Journals of Clovis Bray! :D

[@scottmccrea1873]

Clovis' Journal is the best science fiction I've read in at least a decade. Maybe longer.

[@420PeterGriffin]

My Titan exo bout to go crazy on Elise Bray.

[@ronin9380]

Great stuff!

[@tysonkrunek4132]

That you’re also a JuJu user makes me smile

[@Dolat1984]

Lore daddy vids are the best

[@venomgames1077]

Byf mentioned Integrin and I actually pulled out my college bio notes and looked into what those are, I think I figured out what was happening to Clovis (maybe)

[@austingoodman2177]

"Expect to see more things from the collector's edition of Lightfall" _Calus_ 👏 _Milk_ 👏

[@Phi_AU_]

Ghaul Hell in a Cell!

[@austingoodman2177]

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[@MLGZlayer]

Love your videos

[@gumbo821]

Wonder if exos go through any issues like necrons do in 40k. Exo flayed ones would be funny.

[@anotter321]

Considering Necron Flayed ones, I'd rather avoid that.

[@eotwkdp]

Sweet Jesus that’s awesome to think about

[@burnin8able]

well, considering how long it took necrons to start developing corruption like the flayer virus and the destroyer virus, I guess we'll have to just wait another 59 million years to find out, won't we?

[@Landis963]

Spoilers below the jump: M. Sundaresh's line about being a soul sent to deceive the inmates of Hell can also be seen as a tip of the hand in a way.

[@evan_elric]

lore daddy, please may I have some more? especially with the revelations about Maya Sundaresh on neomuna last season

[@grzetim]

Byf Lightfall lore dives incoming? Yes please!

[@79bigcat]

How old was that B-roll? There are white ammo bricks. Anyway, I guess the process of robotic immortality was quite vexing, wouldn't you say?

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

Beyond Light, pre-Season of The Lost. Enough said.

[@burnin8able]

@@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060 it must be just after beyond light launched, as Byf is using the GL from season of the dawn. that was sunset pretty soon after beyond light released.

[@KLASSRE12]

Top 10 Destiny content right here folks

[@danielduffee2279]

Gotta love those mind virii

[@robertwilliams4579]

There’s a story in this seasons trial armor not sure if you have covered it what happened there I think you would find some things interesting going on there

[@jnavarra]

Why does Mia-9 sound like Elsie's new voice actress?

[@demonsorrows]

"Darkness absorbs. all and on. While the light repels, drives away the darkness? The act in vain. You can't grasp a shadow. The brighter you shine, the more pronounced the silhouette. Its shape, influence, existence transforms and cuts deep like a song that burrows to the soul. The enemy of my enemy, o guardian mine. That is your failure. The memories of my enemy is my immortality."

[@lightningking910]

i’m a simple man. i see exo lore i click on it.

[@cardinalthewarden888]

Good old days of primary ammo drops

[@derigel9783]

Byyyyyfff! I where is the next paaaaaart?

[@brinkgaming549]

Pleaseeeee finish series

[@ebzdawka5619]

Alright I need a video on that finale …….

[@helloyt4799]

mia sunderesh has gotta be "msund-12" from that one strike

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

She is. She found OXA

[@helloyt4799]

@@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060 what about otzot?

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

@@helloyt4799 Them too. And when you learn that OXA is linked to Taox. Mind blowing.

[@totallyturtle199]

Yo byf love the lore vids man keep it up mack love the raid one is a good

[@Embrace69247]

I wonder. Does a ghost cure the brain rejection of an exo guardian? More so, how has Elsie a lightless exo managed to avoid the rejection of the custom exo body.

[@peteraustin9057]

Idk if there's official lore on it, but I'd imagine there's something with Elsie jumping between timelines that prevents her from needing reboots

[@ehoffart529]

I'd imagine that rezing would prevent it. Since you're rezzed with no memories that might clear up a lot of the DER issues. I'm guessing all the exo guardians went through their wipes pre rez.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

human guardians don't age so I imagine exo guardians lose at least some of the downsides, though I strongly suspect it would be possible for an exo guardian to go through a reboot that his/her ghost couldn't undo

[@Lightna]

Yes, because an exo guardian will have no past self to reference to. The body is as natural to them as anything. Now, for how many times they've been rebooted prior, though I think it gets murky. What I know about rebooting is that it's not a mind wipe like people may think. It's more like identifying what started the onset of DER and locking part of the exomind from interacting with the rest of the body. While I do not know what this would mean for exo guardians with high reboot numbers, I don't think that if someone like Banshee was risen as a guardian would be capable of remembering things well. Not because of the light doing its thing, just because of how the reboot process works and I do not think the light would just undo those processes. But then again, maybe it would. We just don't know.

[@justinchamberlin4195]

I find it interesting that Exos are memory-wiped upon transfer, as Guardians are memory-wiped when first resurrected, but it's Exo Guardians that tend to remember small things like their own names. Either way, it seems like the whole "I'm a theoretically immortal being with magic powers" causes "I'm in a robot body" to take a back seat and not induce D.E.R. Ghosts' ability to heal mental and emotional trauma seems very minimal compared to their ability to repair physical damage - the Drifter and his crew that were marooned on that weird Darkness-infused planet slowly went insane the whole time they were there, which was not fixed despite their Ghosts certainly being able to revive them from freezing to death and such. In a similar vein, the shock of being a time-traveler many times over probably makes being a robot seem unimportant to Elsie. And then she learns powers of Darkness, which has a strong association with memory and surely further helps cement her sense of self and avoid D.E.R.

[@JayFochs1337]

So I finally (vaguely) know who MSund12 is 😂

[@drewleer7854]

Can you cover the continuation of the stories from the trials weapons?

[@kratosdad1760]

Thats incredible, so they need human parts even though theyre in a robot body so they feel human, thats incredible i cannot believe this, this lore is so interesting

[@subdemon.]

Some of this lore could easily be used in the game SOMA: copies of peoples brain scans being put in robots that have to simulate human needs.

[@RarePotions]

Man.. this really makes me wish I could go back and customize the look of my Exo Guardian that I made so long ago... Also, let us Hunters take our helmets off but keep our cloak hood up, like... well... you know who. 😅

[@meezwy9652]

so weird to see white ammo bricks

[@jordanator7199]

It's weird seeing primary ammo bricks again lmao

[@francesconarvaez2087]

I need continuation

[@wokemoralist]

I'm starting to think that Clovis fella might not be too good of a guy...

[@SulkingPikachu1]

When can we expect the rest of the videos?

[@IainG10]

I wonder if Mr Miller was eventually fully absorbed into the Vex Network....?

[@chasbar6890]

this feels like a re upload

[@KnockOffGandalf]

Is there a continuation to this series?

[@AndrewOnYoutube]

Four Leaf Clovis

[@trevorromein14]

still here hoping for epidoes 11 and 12 😅

[@CardinalDoctor]

I think it wasn’t actually Mr. Miller telling Clovis he was doing good work.

[@InVinceable17]

Do you think post final shape we'll find out that we created the vex in a weird time loop thing? 🤔

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

That'd be so mind blowing.

[@LilNika117]

I've thought this from the jump, what a choice of biology (bipedal) and even facial structure to a species that's essentially supposed to be goo. I mean, there's a lot of design choices that could have been made before a universally expanding organism decides that its favourite form is that of a humans.

[@jackeag4295]

I wonder what clovis thought when the first exos started being resurrected by the traveller

[@wmad202]

Clovis was dormant; he only reawakened after we completed the Deep Stone Crypt raid

[@Emrirwastaken]

@@wmad202 thats the crypt ai copy of his mind, different from clovis himself (now become banshee-44)

[@wmad202]

@@Emrirwastaken Right, but since that's all that remains of the "original" pre-Collapse Clovis, seeing as Banshee is practically a completely new person, my point still stands.

[@fotu_zero]

I forget to eat all the time these exos ain't special

[@JayFochs1337]

14:10 what happened to episode 11 and 12 though?

[@ThatGuyYouveKnown]

when you finish the clovis story you should compile tem all into 1 vid lol

[@RelliJelli]

Waiting on part 11 and 12 a year later

[@Kayla-xq5tf]

Is this also a hardcover book that I can get?

[@Kaldranxt]

All of my characters are Exo's so I am loving all this lore about them, Clovis is a bastard who deserves the worst but it's still an amazing case study

[@alexramsden8775]

did he post the next video in this series?

[@ismorezro]

sooo is there a clovis harpy out there??

[@dj-_-bussard4038]

Random thought. is Clovis and his work why the vex exists?

[@FoxGoesSquee]

Last vid till i cant watch due to spoilers. Idk why people just cant be patient

[@valiantfox2022]

so, episode 11, when will it come?

[@valiantfox2022]

aaaand i'm sorry i asked, did not know COVID did its thing

[@namelessnames7406]

Bro this footage is old. Still got the primary ammo drops

[@terminatorprogaming8163]

Wait I thought primary ammo was removed in beyond light but I def saw bricks in the vid

[@sayray3233]

That’s because this gameplay was from a long time ago, since he’s still got the empowered melee and not using touch of flame for his solar nades this is from before Season of The Haunted but also since there are primary ammo bricks this is before Season of The Lost😋

[@terminatorprogaming8163]

@@sayray3233 oh I remembered wrong then, I thought the bricks were removed w beyond light. I guess not

[@jakalaka223]

What if Clovis invented ghosts? Exos and guardians seem to both have that memory wipe

[@StolenInsanity]

Spin foil hat time: what if Clovis is the Vex or created the Vex?

[@Johnthanglang]

Are we gonna get episode 11 or 12?

[@daGama1915]

Is it just me or does the earlier process of becoming an exo mirrors transition?

[@Jaydee-wd7wr]

The language used seems to invoke that. Also there’s something very sad about death by body dysphoria.

[@S3BAST1AN696]

Wait what happened next, there are no more episode wtf!!!! I need to know!!!!!

[@bronzeedge8307]

How do they Digest the food they eat Byf?

[@xKev98]

3 thousand away from a milli

[@Xenronnify]

Clovis I sure was a humongous WAD. Glad he got deleted, even if it was only a copy.

[@Cafinebiased]

So wait does ADA-1 not suffer from D.E.R? How old is she? Is she a better version of exo?

[@voltus20]

Knowing that Ada had a unique prototype exo body that doesn't use Alkahest, but the light based obsidian resonance the black armory discovered, it's quite possible she isn't affected by the same side effects. She was pretty young when she was made an exo, something between 9/14, i'm pretty sure her age is mentioned at some point in the black armory papers lore, but i can't remember the exact age. That was right before the collapse happened, so she's hundreds of years old by now, maybe pushing the thousands, as we don't know how much time passed since the collapse until nowadays.

[@eotwkdp]

I believe exo bodies are built upon quality. AdA-1 seems like one who would not want such a fate and create a body before hand. Imagine carving a statue compared to the free statues being giving out

[@joshuawatkins1417]

Love your content but it is obvious that everyone is having a content drought and are waiting for the expansion pray it doesn't get pushed . Again always a fan and love your content FYI your hive movie is still my favorite KZbin slash lore movie

[@KAC710]

Why haven't all the Exo's failed to DER if none have been reset since the collapse? Is this just a "because video games" thing, or is/was resetting for something other than DER (that was presumably fixed at some point)?

[@Emrirwastaken]

Maybe getting rezzed was a reset? Or something to do with the light and the rezz memory wipe

[@emergingloki]

So, when rebooted an exo has no access to its former lives memories. So, when first resurrected a guardian has no acces to its former lives memories..... Just a thought.......

[@fearmasterm.m.z7139]

Oh cool im relatively early for once

[@wezzy9437]

Byf, you know why we're here. We need the lore video on Calus breastfeeding caital.

[@zer0patience101]

part 11?

[@rampartstudios9998]

The Lore-farther

[@heliozaiya]

Don’t let this video distract you from the fact that Atraks-1 is a female Exo Eliksni, and quite fertile.

[@epsilondelta2967]

My disgust: calamitous.

[@RDR911]

My arousal: activated.

[@KevlarCurt]

😂😂

[@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060]

Still not smashing the Robo Spider. What will Eido think when she hears of this?

[@cpaul562]

@@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060 she would probably be disgusted with the guardian in question and interested in how that would even work.

[@BBBey]

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