Destiny 2 Lore - The Salvation's edge Lore Raid! W/ Aztecross, CBGray, Gigz, Teawrex & Fallout!

[@TheRealNebari]

I find it hilarious how dynamic and over the top Aztecross is in his videos, yet every time he gets into a raid with people he’s so quiet and patient you kinda forget he exists lol

[@TheFirstSunbreaker]

Southern gentleman

[@RemedyPlays]

yeah he talked about that on stream. when hes alone hes loud but he said "when im in a room id rather not be the center of attention" and he also mentioned he didnt want to over talk people.

[@ncrudgington]

@@TheRealNebari his Titan brain is taking a while to process what byf is saying

[@SaltyBroncanuss]

Respect is underrated.

[@VoItey]

go watch any of his d1 vids and he is way quieter

[@Aronnax-up9xc]

Can we please get one of these for every raid that’s still in the game?!?!? Run through the dungeons with a smaller team too? I could watch/listen to these things forever! I love the discussion that promotes the pontification ♥️

[@LeoLD0680]

YES PLEASE

[@twiliphilosopher1978]

HUGE SAME, THIS WOULD BE GREAT

[@MynameisByf]

Now that I’m back in the place where I can stream and there’s some interest… sure… we can figure it out.

[@theboolgod8042]

We got to give this man a couple breaks from being the goat at some point guys. But fully agree all of em

[@warthief8]

​@MynameisByf please for the love of God. As A huge KF simp the lore of that Raid is awesome would love to watch a vid of you going through it in detail of encounters and what's going on. Even if these previous raids are the "past tense" before the Final Shape idea. These raids still have meaning to different people of the community!!! Also shout out to VoW would love one of those as well!!!!

[@iceO-V1]

Byf is like a tour guide in a history museum

[@MonkeyDChevy]

He is the true destiny historian and docent all in one

[@GeRoDoTspect]

While I do agree, this I must ask: Chocolate museum?

[@outbreakperfected5704]

@@GeRoDoTspectSEND NUDES (IYKYK)

[@Ben-M112]

@@GeRoDoTspectI think there is a Hershey museum in Pennsylvania

[@MWatsonBeats]

if we get a new speaker, it should be him

[@maurog.ocaranza4142]

Aztec playing Hunter here is the biggest betrayal of all Destiny's lore

[@Ace-Intervention]

What do you mean? Cross is just cosplaying as Saladman!

[@FrostieTS]

Technically cross is Shaw Han so Hunter is actually perfect 😂

[@Ace-Intervention]

@@FrostieTS lore accurate Aztecross💀

[@kbp4nuklear168]

He mains hunter off screen

[@emberphoenix2922]

Actually he's just beta testing titan 4.0

[@nmikk10]

This is the most respectful LFG team I've seen

[@AnubisHulk]

29:00 i never thought of it like that, especially since the "resonance beams" both Rhulk and the witness use is like a 3D representation of sound waves. That blew my mind. Outstanding work as always Byf.

[@absentzz347]

After hearing that perspective, it's even more intriguing as to why the antagonist for Episode 1, who is in possession of an Echo, is called "The Conductor."

[@XionWillow]

"PLEASE let this raid be normal..." "With the Frizz? No way!"

[@ethannazareth5390]

nearly 4 hours of edging, can't wait

[@Wildgamer-hs9xt]

Your transit right?

[@xotwd6413]

Bro what

[@WDGabe]

shes edging my salvation with that grip.

[@boom-jr8vi]

@@xotwd6413 His Transit is Edged obviously...keep up.

[@elitereptilian200]

​@@boom-jr8vioh man I love how that is never ever going to die down..

[@beninmalgaard9836]

Aaaaaaaw yeah! Almost 4 hours worth of a Byf Lore Raid. This gonna be gooooooood.

[@futurenotion]

Let’s go!! CB involved in this!?!? My man deserves it! Been watching his streams since Curse of Osiris! 🎉

[@TheFirstSunbreaker]

Right? It’s wild seeing all out favorite Destiny content creators, some sense vanilla D 1, just helping each other out all the time now…

[@ronaldraygun9093]

i don’t watch a lot of streams anymore, just not my preferred way of watching content, but i used to watch him all the time, since he was around 4k subs, i still love seeing his success and hearing his name pop up with other large destiny creators

[@Kernel_linker]

I think that since the timer isn’t final shape looming in verity, but is instead imminent end and when the phase completes the heart pulses maybe the heart pulsing is reversing the final shape which has been enacted outside of the traveler similar to the opening cutscene. Furthermore, i think that at this point in the raid the final shape is enacted but once the encounter has been completed we have not only reversed the final shape but also partially cut the witness’s ties to the traveler’s light thus buying us more time for the final boss.

[@nightismonochrome]

The fact that the Witness isn't classified as a construct in game was a missed opportunity (or it would just make some weapons unbalanced)

[@Manny-fc8ym]

Hakke our savior

[@viviolet7]

the witness should proc surrounded.

[@BrazarB]

Something I wished Byf or others talked about was the "We"/Plural the Witness used could have potentially been a facade, as when Ghost confronted it in the Vanguard War room, It spoke back to Ghost with a singular male voice, & when It was wounded & angered, it returned & kept using that voice until It's death, as there wasn't an overlap of voices like there usually is & instead just an echo. Devs have said in Vidoc 1 that there's moments where the *real* Witness comes through

[@NEWGHOST9]

I feel like that voice might be the head mind who probably came up with the idea of the witness is my guess But i dont think it’s a facade, being a collection of billions of minds each with their own voice, and those who speak against the collective are locked away

[@Epic_Scalper]

55:12 Theory time: the Herald is actually the disciple from the winterbite exotic. The witness put his upper half back together after we split him with the canon.

[@nullandvoid7524]

This would make a lot of sense actually

[@jansensimmons3315]

Regarding the lack of Conductors in the final encounter and the means of obtaining Glyphbreaker, I think a musical explanation works really well. Using your explanation of the resonance to delay the Final Shape in encounters 1-3, I view that as the guardians “scrambling the notes of the sheet music” that the Witness is actively writing to perform a final symphony to free time. The more resonance deposited equals more notes scrambled and more time for the Witness to “decode” the staves which the music is written on. Fast forward to the final encounter, you are no longer “scrambling the sheet music”, but you are rather “learning the music yourself” by listening to it, and then the act of breaking a button is synonymous to playing a dissonant chord within his symphony, enough to make any conductor recoil. Enough dissonant chords interjected and the conductor must always stop the music to address the foul players. It’s in this moment that the conductor is vulnerable, losing control of his symphony and exposing himself to the attacks of the dissenting members.

[@thrilla72]

Love it

[@Adoptulous]

Something should be said about the weird effect on the sides of your screen during Verity, showing the true room with the roots and ruin showing that the Witness is actively shrouding your vision until your character is dead to see the true nature of everything. Super cool touch I noticed during my first run

[@Jakesterpop1]

This is the greatest lore teacher in a raid I have ever seen in Destiny, even collaborating with content creators.

[@VyRl_Jetstream]

32:57 is the best part of this video

[@ieatricemc14]

Byf is the reason I'm capable of explaining the lore of d2 to my wife. She asks me fantastic questions about the game all the time, so thank you byf 👍🏽

[@TheKratken]

My wife is hooked on the lore now after watching your 10 hour lore video with me. I can't wait to watch this with my wife later on! THANK YOU MY NAME IS BYF!!!!!!!

[@franciscoezeq]

I’ve legitimately rewatched the whole stream 4 times! Absolutely amazing!! The way I have been on and off this games since 2014 and the only reason I comeback is to learn and watch some byf videos. Thank you for being so knowledgeable and so kindly spirited! Love the content! Here’s to another 10 years!

[@dkunk7517]

Something that had been on my mind about the Dessenters and their statues, our first direct interactions with darkness and the uses of darkness were with those statues, could we have gotten our access and use of stasis have come from the Dessenters to fight the Witnesses?

[@Vermilliontypezero]

That’s an awesome idea!!! The only thing standing in the way of that theory is the level of presence the pyramids had in beyond light. It feels like there was waaaay too much “witness” presence for it to be dessenters. Stasis felt borderline manipulative if you ask me. I’m not sure how well that lines up with precursors. But as a story I like your idea more than the witness giving us stasis

[@dkunk7517]

Well, the Dessenters couldn't outright defy the Witness at that point and didn't know how receptive we would be. And it is the Witness's motivation to offer power to others to gain their compliance. If some of the Witness's voices are offering darkness to Guardians that makes only for it to be to the Guardians with the strongest will and ability to defy the Witness as well.

[@Crowald]

There's a line in-game during Zavala's AWOL Darkness Party Time that stipulates the Veiled Ones are specifically only Dissenters. We never see the Veiled Statues get hostile or angry with us, which doesn't track if they are specifically still loyal to the Witness. The only thing that makes sense is that they're Dissenters. Eris Morn's first exposure to Stasis was in the one of the final story cutscenes for Shadowkeep, where she's seen approaching the Veiled Statue and her little Hive-energy-ball-rock thing starts to shift. She covers it in Stasis, and then turns to smile almost directly at the camera. There's no doubt in my mind that they'd been helping us all along. The Veiled Statue on the Moon absolutely pointed the way forward for Eris to discover and utilize Stasis.

[@MothmanGaming]

1:02:15 i actually had a theory with a friend based on the very mission they are discussing. While yes, the Pyramid Ships are unmanned physically, they are manned structurally. Each Pyramid is graced by the presence of a Veiled Statue, would it not be too farfetched to assume that they Statues that house the consciousness of the Precursors are controlling the ships? Every ship we have been aboard has had at least 1 statue. While the Statues man the ships in the absence of a Disciple, those that are manned by Disciples could be how many of the followers of the Witness commune with him. As we saw ourselves in the Ghost mission, Cayde mentioned that we never found out who was in charge of it, yet when we get to the end, in the very room where we get deepsight, is a veiled statue/dissenter, who talks back to us. Its the only logical explanation for the many unmanned ships. The Witness would send his disciples to subjugate and ransack worlds left by the traveler, why the rest of the fleet manned by the statues continued hunting with the Flagship.

[@Horrorpleb]

I actually like this theory cause it highlights that the witnesses reach as very far and that the veiled statues are more than simply inanimate objects that consist of the souls of precursors, it shows that the statues themselves do have slight physical power over objects they are connected to. Perhaps it could explain why the Europa pyramid never seemed to act in hostility whenever we enter it as the statue was a dissenter and so it decided to guide us through portions of the pyramid that weren't blocked by cabal interference as it was showing that it wanted us to help it and to display that it's trying to help us with our mission.

[@MothmanGaming]

@@Horrorpleb truly, there is no explanation as to why it would have entertained us or gave us Stasis and Deepsight on Europa if it wasn't a Dissenter in charge of the Pyramid on Europa

[@Manny-fc8ym]

that might as well be true, do you think that other dissenters could grant us or guide us to other powers of darkness?

[@MothmanGaming]

@@Manny-fc8ym considering that almost all of them are probably dead, no

[@Manny-fc8ym]

@@MothmanGaming awe man

[@Sean-ul2ib]

Let’s go I have something to do in my 7 hour car ride

[@andyfleischman3626]

this is S+++++ teir content, i could sit and listen to byf ramble for hours about the lore of this raid❤️❤️❤️

[@samkoch1038]

AZTECROSS SOUNDS LIKE WALUIGI

[@Carrity]

Na bruh 😭😭😭

[@Super503Dank]

This is the most accurate comment I've seen today. And now I won't be able to unsee or hear it.

[@Masterbates-Conner]

Whhhaaa*

[@oriongore]

He sounds like Jerma sometimes

[@samkoch1038]

@@Super503Dank fr he literally says wah

[@jaredtherock5692]

The dunky dunky music box At the first encounter, i just noticed it has the "give" symbol on it, so if you remembered the symbols for Vow, you would understand you need to give something to the box. Love that design

[@goawayscuba6454]

Excellent Video I love this game and seeing all of you come together and do this is absolutely incredible. I look forward to more lore raid videos GG man very well done.

[@baccamg]

I did find, in reference to the snake witness concept, that if you watch the witness fall down after final encounter you can see the witness is DEFINITELY coiled and as it retreats, it SEVERS it's tail, disconnecting from the main structure of the spire. Pretty cool stuff

[@83ponchito]

o yes a 4 hour video on an obscure topic about the game I love count me in

[@noahcranney4752]

Thanks!

[@3ndlessL00p]

34:00 if The Witness trying to arrange The Final Shape like music, then surely it is a Composer, and not a Conductor, right? Or maybe a composer aspiring to also be the conductor, once the masterpiece is finished.

[@Vermilliontypezero]

I think conductor makes sense but if you think about it another way. This song is already playing, the shapes of the universe exist already, but it is the witness calling upon each individual for their “perfect good” purpose to harmonize. The song always plays like I said, but to the witness it is dissonant until he steps in. Which very much so is a conductor.

[@3ndlessL00p]

​​@@Vermilliontypezero oh man, great explanation! Thank you

[@sjei.]

Would love to see a Fallout Ano Byf collab as well

[@Jacobk-g7r]

Inside the traveler, the witnesses depiction is its physical manifestation of the memory, and not just the memory but the active memory that’s why the witness is able to change things

[@rydalchjustin]

There is nothing better to listen to while doing laundry than the Lore Lord himself. This video will be LEGEN…. Wait for it… DAIRY! LEGENDARY!

[@exodiamaster2]

Listening to Byf explain the raid is like watching butter melt on a potato. Delicious.

[@darkangelx2256]

Hell yea Byf and Cb in one stream hell yea

[@tannersmith6258]

“I don’t need ammo I just need to speak” 😂

[@allenparnell6170]

This video is the real accumulated Destiny 2 experience. From the "easy 10 minute encounter" turned into 3 or 4 attempts by "professionals" to the dumb jokes between friends and of course all with the bonus of Byf telling you a story along the way.

[@omega-death]

To be completely honest, listening to byf for years now yet never seeing what he looks like, i was taken-a-back when i first saw what byf looked like. Not in a bad way just, notbwhat i expected. Still, a fabulous content creator and definitely in my top 3. ✌️

[@biggjozzdogg]

Byf is kind of goated gamer as well as being lore daddy

[@danielanton8368]

One little question. Is it intentional that on 3:26:43, right above your weapon, this "root" looks like winterbite?

[@ninjawatchdutchmen7171]

Great content! No other content creators can be this well informed and descriptive when it comes to content, again good job

[@atothetaco]

58:35 one thing I've recently had a questions about since it was brought up in one of the micah lost ghost missions, could the thing that drove the Europa pyramid possibly be the Disciple that owned Winterbite? I mean Winterbite is the ONLY stasis glaive currently and obviously our first real interaction with Stasis was Europa from that pyramid, and now with bungie specifically giving us the question "what piloted that pyramid" I think it's possible that not only was there a Disciple with strong stasis connection but that it could still be out there

[@MarioLongoria-xs9ky]

Bro this was the collab video I didn’t know I needed! Really enjoyed this video, hope you guys do more stuff like this

[@inquisitorichijou883]

That's a certified Destiny content creator summit.

[@byLags]

This has been a pleasure to watch Byf. Coming back to this a few times now.

[@warrenpeace0]

Loved getting to see the full raid and hear all the lore that went with it .

[@randomfan168]

This was extremely fun to watch. Thanks byf

[@BearHugTheNug]

I’m big with the theory of Chelchis being the Herald of finality

[@tirefish]

Imagine if it's both. Chelchis and Taniks since Chelchis is by all accounts fearless. Taniks is pretty much immortal. Both of those traits would be the building blocks of a good disciple

[@nigelbradley2857]

3:48:49 I just watched the whole raid. Great content. You're so Knowledgeable it's awesome. On the hands the ing euphony. Someone else may have pointed this out but, the barrel forms 2 hands in a Kamehameha position where the strand comes out

[@stephenhert8655]

I watched the whole thing from start to finish LIVE, and it was one of the best experiences ever. Thanks to all who made it happen!!! ❤

[@dredgen0268]

A video with the Lore Daddy, Aztec Ross and that Shotgun video guy? Hell yeah

[@jbradratel2103]

You can never over do these. Raid-a-longs are terrific

[@Pedders188]

This is amazing to watch and listen to. Byf you need to do voice acting dude. Brilliant tone fella.

[@johnsowavyent6841]

I remember when I asked Cbgray on a live stream if he ver met you. At the time he didn’t but seeing this now, my god I was surprised. It was thanks to you Cb and everyone else that made me get back into destiny

[@jfozzy9435]

You mentioned that Verity is supposed to be where the Witness keeps their stores of light for when they need it. It could be something similar to when Ghaul used that contraption to trap in the Traveler, maybe that’s what’s happening here. That white orb in the middle is essential the Battery and cage that keeps the light it captured contained. When we complete the encounter it’s us breaking that cage and freeing the light the Witness was storing. That’s why we can ascend once the encounter has been beaten.

[@Killiemom]

Thank you i just started watching but this is lovely!!

[@avisualhavoc1735]

Hello Byf! I very much enjoy your content and storytelling! A thought came to my mind when you're in the varity encounter with your team that furthers the lore as well. My theory is: rather than it being a bug, I think swapping out the shapes in the beginning of the encounter is necessary because those are the shapes the Witness designated for each guardian, and swapping them out drives the point of guardians making their own destiny by removing the fate that was designed by the Witenss. This goes along with what you mentioned in the beginning of the verity encounter.Anyways, thank you for the amazing content and analysis you provide with the story of Destiny!

[@FynchsTip]

Thanks for all these videos. I’m a kinderGuardian & am making leaps & bounds bc of them :D

[@aranax418]

Byf literally our osiris. The destiny scholar.

[@princealbert357]

All my favorite content creators under one umbrella....this video is heaven.. @Byf, what roll are you using on the Maahes? I had no idea it was so good ...wow

[@Epic_Scalper]

32:02 The boxes to start encounters in Vault of Glass play funky beats 🕺💃

[@faleagum3322]

been waiting for this video. couldnt see the raid stream when it was done. LETS GOOOOO

[@Willllsoon]

An absolute blast thanks for answering soo many questions plz do more 🙏 ❤

[@ThePresidentofMars]

I interpret the monolith and the pale heart as a sort of irony (if im using that right) the light is based on the laws and physics of the universe ( physical matter) whereas the darkeness is more intangible (matters of the mind/feelings) but inside the traveler, the roles are reversed, the witness crafts the monolith in a physical sense, it makes what it wants but the pale heart manifests what it can from others thoughts and feelings.

[@BuckeyeGuy3189]

PLEASE do this with the other raids, I loved this video

[@rnambu]

you can also get on top of the cube in 3rd encounter. it bounces like a bounce house and hurts a lot.

[@armo6851]

Bro, your voice is something else. Ngl, absolutely love hearing the lore from you aha.

[@IGP510]

1:31:58 I think the Witness sees itself as the First Knife, something that exists only in theory as the tool used to prune A Final Shape, and not literally the First Knife in The Winnower’s hand.

[@Crowald]

My only reasonable take on the Monolith is that the Witness has so many people contained within that the memories/thoughts of the people within are directly capable of manipulating what they conceive of as the Witness. It's an abstract concept, the binding of all of these people into one being, and so they conceptualize of it all the same way. It's not just that the Witness created the Monolith; it's a manifestation of their pride and ego, collectively. It's how they *all see themselves* and the multitude of memories/ideas of many converging onto one design, taking the disparate parts of the people within the Witness as they all coalesce together.

[@Gravitas-mu5vg]

Byf knows red border and offers to do it while telling stories. He’s a god.

[@TheFirstSunbreaker]

It makes me feel like an old man. All my favorite Destiny KZbinrs sense the start of Destiny, all showing up in each others videos… I remember being a young man and wanting that when they were younger, and now here it is all the time…

[@Zan140]

We need more of these for other dungeons/raids.

[@ThePresidentofMars]

1:12:52 I like to think of the long spire at the edge of arena heading upwards is the witness' metaphorical spine and the bramble is the traveller's nervous system and in an effort to become one, it has grafted the nerves of the traveller onto its spine. which would account for the screams we hear.

[@SaintGummie]

Great stream, really enjoy these

[@walshy1760]

One thing I really liked was just how engaged and attentive fallout was throughout the entirety of the stream Not to say the others weren’t but Fallout seemed so so interested contantly and extremely enthusiastic, aswell as requesting Byf do some lore content with Anno Classic Fallout W

[@Jacobk-g7r]

I think we should think of the witness as a roskos basilisk. Meaning the we isn’t limited to who it was. It can see us by relativity. Outside just like the winnower. Think about how it speaks directly and indirectly at the same time.

[@washn41247]

This was absolutely incredible

[@andrewvance4550]

I neeeed a raid tour 🙋 this is absolutely phenomenal!!

[@lmlagg]

After you defeat the Herald of Finality you can hear traces of Taniks’ theme playing in the ambiance

[@Jakesterpop1]

Still we can’t know if Taniks is back from the wreckage of the Deep Stone Crypt

[@Pingis_MacDingis]

So I have a question regarding the Witness’ disciples. As far as I am aware, the Witness never explicitly told its disciples what the final shape was, and let them make their own interpretations of it. If this is the case, could they have done that on purpose as a means to keep their disciples from fighting against them? It seems like the final shape goes directly against what some of the disciples envisioned the final shape to be. Alternately, could they have been kept in the dark because they would have also been turned into statues when the final shape happened?

[@bad9520]

iirc the unnamed disciple byf talked about before the second encounter said that none of the disciples actually knew what the witness’s final shape was and that they couldn’t even possibly comprehend what it was

[@shyataroo]

I'm surprised you didn't talk about the precursor city model that you pass by on the way to one of the encounters.

[@JR-17]

Thanks for the raid along. Bungie should do one themselves and be honest about when they made each part

[@jansensimmons3315]

Fallout’s mention of wishing the witness had followed through as a snake/shape shifting design would have been really cool. But I also could see their current implementation still slightly following that mode when you think about the hands that come into the encounters. Though we can’t see them as connected to the Witness’ body, who are we to say if they aren’t connected to their manifestation in another dimension or something that our guardians can’t perceive?

[@vblegh1620]

Within the lore the significance of the lore is that it’s the lore 🤓☝️

[@jackoneill2591]

Are there any Easter eggs in the hidden identifier codes

[@JASONK10120]

Hearing this makes me think the Winnower was the veil and the Gardner was the light embodied.

[@Landis963]

50:55 It might also be noted here that Rhulk is a pretty good prototype for what we, our Guardian, the Young Wolf, whatever you want to call us, would become if we accepted the offer of a Discipleship. Arrogant, deriving a measure of security and solace from that arrogance, a blunt instrument capable of smashing through anything in our path, and utterly alone. So underneath the environmental storytelling there's also this cautionary tale, told solely through subtext.

[@year1blink]

I love the raid lore dope AF

[@CJM738]

Love the idea. Hope to see more in the future

[@Vermilliontypezero]

Watched half of it live and have been anxiously awaiting this vid

[@MrTwitchtastic]

Hey Byf, I dunno if you'll ever read this but the buttons on the Witness' form on Zenith is very similar to wind instruments like a Bassoon or a clarinet, which also plays into the musical angle heavily. I haven't really heard anyone make mention of it, but it's something interesting.

[@punkrider8758]

So much fun, do more

[@CrabCake0]

Lore Question: Has savthun's "2 truths and a lie" been answered confidently?

[@fysy9989]

I think yes, at least most of them

[@fysy9989]

Assuming she didn't lie about it being actually 2 truths and 1 lie

[@Truds]

And I thought the raid couldn’t get any better 🎉

[@tisoccerfan3623]

This was so underrated

[@ImaBeastUaPet]

The guys are legendary..period

[@random-riley]

Do we have any answers for where all of the planets that the witness took and the likelihood of them returning ?

[@daveadams6489]

Verity - Traveller's Pale Heart. The Pale Heart holds the key. Are we making the key, and what happens there (defining our own shape there), being what truly allows us to defeat The Witness