Destiny 2 is changing. What does the future look like in Frontiers? (Livestream thoughts)

[@steele2015]

I feel like there are pretty heavy lore implications about yhe statement that the shadow legions are, quote, "following Fikruls rizz" that you didnt bring up in the Revenants section. I think Scorn Rizz is very important to this upcoming episode.

[@iponce2]

The scorn have the same amount of rizz as a dented can in a wet alley, so I am very interested to see these developments

[@Arkaeus04]

Fikrul be leaning into that vampirism charisma aka mind control, if that’s what happening

[@Vin_Venture896]

Ngl it has to be real boring as a writer on Destiny to have to keep coming up with excuses on why we’re fighting the same enemies over and over 🤣

[@Audiotrocious]

What does “Rizz” mean?

[@Spitfyre1011]

So Fikrul found the Echo of Rizz?

[@danielspringer406]

So is anyone else thinking that the new destination in Apollo could be Efrideet's colony? We never did get follow up on that. Maybe now's the time.

[@masterSageHarpuia]

I forgot about that, that is the perfect group for this. Not some mystery group that also survived the collapse like neomuna, but dark age scavengers that formed a secret pacifist colony.

[@Muddogg83]

It’s possible, I certainly thought that when they looked human-like but could possibly be Dead Orbit since we don’t know where they went?

[@aviaviavian]

Realistically, it could be any of the 3​@@Muddogg83

[@erickhart8046]

🤔

[@moonlightillari]

It was the first place I thought of, though I guess I imagined it looking a little more urban? The second image reminded me of Venus due to the blue energy, so I'm unsure if the images or destinations are linked somehow

[@WhoisPersona]

Speaking of the Dread's involvement in Revenant there does appear to be a flock of Grim above Fikrul on the promotional image so he does have some elements of the Dread under his command.

[@Alon_Maor]

We also see the stasis little guys in the onslaught clips fighting alongside the scorn

[@theta8529]

Makes Sense, Plus they Look like Bats.

[@Parluyy]

I think one of the main things Destiny needs, when talking about bringing back mystery, is bringing back the dark/gloomy colors like back in D1. Since D2’s launch, we have had these extra bright/vibrant colors that have been poured everywhere in the UI/UX, destinations, etc. Bringing that back imo would feel more like Destiny and bring back a lot of mystery in itself.

[@JustCharlesBro]

Are we forgetting witch queen,Crotas end,shadowkeep(kinda bad)

[@Malkoburn]

Another point that desperately needs addressed is that a lot of the armor and weapons we’ve been getting are also a major departure from the style we had in d1 they really should return to using that instead of cyberpunk Fortnite garbage To clarify what i mean is that destiny 1 was unform and had a set Tone/Atmosphere/ Art style that was mostly but not completely abandoned at launch of vanilla d2. A time later it was brought back with Curse Of Osiris, Warmind, and Forsaken. Yet again that Uniformity was abandoned for Collaboration Cosmetics/seasonal cosmetics and an art style that looks absolutely nothing like the one that was previously set. While I DO greatly appreciate the Diversity. overdoing it in all the WRONG areas for the sake of Diversity is NOT something i can appreciate. ( EX: a pointless Lump or Horn on an otherwise cool looking Helmet or a hole in a Cape that doesn't make sense or most d2 Warlock Armor :sorry, not sorry Warlocks) EDIT: It is late and I'm an idiot who graduated Highschool a few years ago so my writing and typing skills are trash and i needed to fix a bunch of errors so this is at least somewhat readable.

[@coreybroussard5264]

Or maybe just bring back the content they got rid of 🫠. Years later and still can’t replay the beginning of the game

[@Parluyy]

@@Malkoburn i could not agree more.

[@Parluyy]

@@coreybroussard5264 game would be so big with a bunch of technical issues i’m not rly worried about that i think a new game would solved that problem though imo

[@PlainYogurt403]

The human colony Efrideet ran away to still hasn’t been discovered, so maybe we finally get that answer from the human/rocket concept art location

[@aaron_ow]

I thought the stream was great, alot of insight into the future of the game which is always welcome

[@beeman4266]

Looks like good changes. Making gear be a bigger part of build crafting is nice.

[@reggielacey2235]

Trash

[@robertmayotte7317]

The nonlinear story the D2 team is pitching feels somewhat (in my mind) like the forsaken campaign, but more open. You definitely had points where the barons you were hunting could be tackled in an order of your choosing.

[@DredgenStorm]

Fun fact: This Dev stream was the first time any Bungie official has even mention Rise of Iron since its LAUNCH

[@CaptainCanuck68]

I forgot all about rise of iron

[@asterixace2076]

Also a siva sticker on the laptop

[@ThePresidentofMars]

Im really hoping with all the rise of iron stuff appearing/being mentioned that they are bringing back wrath and just being silent about it for a big suprise...but thats more than likely just copium.

[@metametang7628]

theyve been really really quiet about a second raid this year, its likely it got scrapped to make way for the second iteration of pantheon. sucks honestly, I would've liked to have played wrath, but oh well.

[@vikrantpulipati1451]

Surely the new Inverted Spire will reflect the world changes on Nessus from this Episode...

[@joedubner5846]

Honestly I'm optimistic that it does build on Echoes including the changes to nessus

[@gazzacfc2010]

I think that instead of starting on a concrete block like the OG version we will probably kill 4 vex in a cave to the left of the OG block and then outside of maybe a few extra vex to kill the reintroduction will be absolutely pointless, it was always the easiest GM though

[@Blanktester685]

Lake of shadows was easier

[@oxsila]

it's gonna be full of tripmines so people don't just sparrow through it.

[@Arkaeus04]

So Fikrul is basically a combination of a lich and vampire now after acquiring the echo then. I wish for bloodborne ornaments for Revenant, it fits thematically

[@soraxstacy1477]

The ornaments looks pretty Bloodborne inspired, especially the Warlock ornaments

[@tristen9736]

Probably not since Sony seems to hate Bloodborne

[@Maxshubert]

I was already planning on still playing, but I love that with the changes I will have more reasons to play. Lore and gameplay changes alike.

[@Fireheart318]

They made a note of how the echo changed the way the Vex see themselves, and that it was happening to the Scorn too. I wonder if the Taken on Oryx’s Dreadnaught will have the same thing happen to them in Heresy. Destiny has never had so few antagonists: The Witness is gone, we’re friends with (some of) the Eliksni and Cabal, and so on. Giving formerly-mindless(-ish) enemies wills of their own would certainly throw some new variables into the mix!

[@Blackhart-7]

Until the servers shut down, my Guardian will not surrender. Until I can't make my own fate no longer, I will will not give up. P.S. I hope you're doing well Byf o7

[@ZombieSlayerTakashi]

As long as you're still having fun in the game, to hell with all the drama and backlash.

[@riothegod1831]

Loser hahahahaha

[@fromvoidshadows1365]

Off the bat, I want to say I appreciate your optimism! Seeing the state of player's opinions on the game (both ongoing and retired) has been... draining, to put it lightly. I was a day one, D1 player and enjoyed it so much. Did the raids, was very into the pvp etc. D2 came along and I fell off after Forsaken. It wasn't against the game itself, rather moving and getting a new job, then never really getting the will to return after missing enough content. I logged on every now and then but would get overwhelmed by the changes and leave. I could only imagine how new players felt starting this game up for the first time. I did watch this last stream, and while I don't know about the entirety of D2, I'm excited for the content. it feels... simpler, to return to? Seeing the festival of the lost set, the Scorn, it reminds me of the days I last played. And that itself is welcoming and reminiscent enough for me to return.

[@stormtroop3016]

I think the new destination is the home of pacifist secret group that Efrideet lives with. Some of those banners looked like they were semi-izanagi resembling, which I believe I remember there being a tie between that group and the black armory forges? I could be misremembering that though. It would also potentially explain the machine worship / manmade ships.

[@ruairicuthbert-ross8571]

I really hope that Drifter gets a bit of an appearance in Revenant. He’s got story ties with Eido (uncle like figure), Spider (partners in crime), egregor (literally introduced with gambit), and even a bit with Fikrul (the “Thorn like bullet that killed Sundance).

[@BaladanRua]

Being a ROGUE Lightbearer, gotta make him look like a hero WITHOUT putting too much effort into it..... last minute against Fikrul: " The Rogue Cavalry has arrived! " FLASHBANG!! EPIC ENTRANCE!! GUNS BLAZING!!!

[@Bug-Intercourser]

11:54 maybe it's the falloutbrain showing but this really reminds us of the Children of Atom religion in those games, though maybe something more to do with gravity, as that's how the Witness attacked planets in Sol

[@TheGinjaNinja946]

I think that a character bio section/glossary/encyclopedia section with key facts would really help new people engage with the story.

[@realtuber101]

I'm one of the people hit by the hurricane so I can sympathize. I'm in the part of TN that was affected by a dam breaking due to flooding/storms from the hurricane. The earliest we'll have water again is MAYBE this Friday, but no guarantees. FOLKS, PLEASE REMEMBER: Weather is simply getting worse. Have some vague plan of action for any possibilities because as per my mother we haven't had a hurricane cause this kind of damage or reach us like this in her 60 years of life. And this wasn't even the highest category of hurricane recorded.

[@kintero27]

I’m basically at Ground Zero of the hurricane and we just got power back on. Chimney rock and Asheville are gone The potions mechanic is a tag off of World of Warcraft alchemy and Botney. It’s gonna be really interesting because those are my favorite things I did in World of Warcraft

[@Cvwally85]

Honestly that second pic (the cave) looks more like Venus. I would love to go back there

[@BaladanRua]

Or maybe it could be IO?

[@Feksen1]

I'm pretty confident that the Dread with feature in the new Onslaught mode, especially given that you can see several Grims flying around Fikrul in the Act 1 key art.

[@intelliligibleverbose2340]

I think it’s safe to assume we will see The Dread in Revenant. The Shadow Legion and Dread seem to run in the same circles and you can see Grims in the key art. (As opposed to just using bats)

[@meta4238]

My worry is how much the narrative will impact players? Will we have those big moments? Will these RoI size drops be enough to do justice for some places/story (example: the distributary, retaking torobatl, dealing with Xixu)

[@charlieemery5916]

Glad to see more content from you sir! Excited for what is to come! See you star side!

[@SteelShad0w_]

On that optimist point: There's like... Zero harm in being an optimist? Optimism and Nihilism are both self-fulfilling prophecies at the end of the day so just pick whichever tickles your fancy

[@jfk0-fish518]

2:58 the dread are on the Episode art flying over Fikral

[@carvedearth5676]

Hey Byf, I think it's cool your an optimist. It's honestly why I like your vids. Outside of gaming, I feel like a bunch of folks online are just too defeatist and pessimistic in general. Optimism rocks!! Trusting things will be ok and fighting for good outcomes honestly does wonders for moral, and encourages great things!! ❤ ✨️

[@ryancameron4170]

It definitely feels like too many people are cynical nowadays about a wide range of things so I agree!

[@Samurai_J5]

I am cautiously optimistic. I am looking forward for Episode Revenant as it ties nicely with spooky theme for Festival of the Lost and October. I am concern on a narrative point on if it has what it takes to bring out the mystery and bewilderment of the upcoming content. I do miss these creativity as it holds so much lore and attraction towards the world of Destiny.

[@Oldhawk98]

I agree, Would be great if they had a focus on introducing and guiding new players with the new content. I have bin trying to get my nephew into destiny for about a year. He was into the concept and cinematic I showed him. But the inevitable downfall was the terrible tutorial and then being lost in the story.

[@TheAshfyr]

I wonder if we are going to colony that Efrideet went to. That might explain the robed people.

[@Bug-Intercourser]

14:05 those blue crags get me thinking of Venus in D1, or Io, if we're remembering correctly. really hope wherever this is really gets explored though. love cave networks in games

[@Grayves_X]

I'm not convinced that the code names mean much. BUT 2 interesting facts about Apollo. Apollo is a god of colonising, he pushed for new towns to be built and for expansion, that seems rather fitting here with that image. The other is that Apollo is a god of prophecy, there's a possibility that this expansion will relate to the Nine. Maybe those people are communing with the Nine

[@aabahdjfisosososos]

This honestly looks so cool and I’m so excited. I really wish we had deep stone themed raid to go along with this season, that would complete it for me.

[@johnnyhall9154]

Lady Efrideet spoke of a peaceful settlement. Idk if that's cannon anymore, but that's what I thought of

[@ashumon23]

I still think that bringing back the year one campaigns (all of them) would be one of the best new light experiences.

[@tysonkrunek4132]

Maybe the ships in the cosmodrome that they have shown us leaving the system in cutscenes. There’s also a door behind the elevator in the scarlet keep that I haven’t been able to get through

[@MasterCJ117]

Note that the Cosmodrome is in the background behind that first concept art image, knowing Bungie, that was done for a reason.

[@jorsinorphaeus]

Not new player, but returning from the times of when failsafe was introduced. I am really liking where the game has gone, TFS was honestly excellent, and I agree that getting new (or returning in cases like me) players is important and having narrative guideposts is a must. I felt really behind everything so I watched your ten hour video just to be current.

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, my condolences about the hurricane.

[@DragonKhy]

Feels like I’m back in 2018…❤

[@grizzly4769]

I havent played D2 since the layoffs because I thought it was pretty much down for the count but I'll admit, Revenant and Apollo especially are peaking my interest

[@jacksonwyse7524]

i think the rocket engine temple thing is the distrubitary, the rocket engine is what's left of the Yang Liwei

[@myrb2622]

I think my main point of contention on all of it is that it feels very PR and marketing talk. Which I get and understand why it is that. I also know Apollo is quite a bit out. But I'd rather get more specific ideas of what they're talking about rather than just being told the vibes it will give and vagueness. I feel like I'm left with more questions than anything. For example, I am a massive Metroudvania fan. So what specifically are they trying to go for with that terminology? It seems like the idea is the concept of being able to do a few objectives in an area, but you're locked in that area until you do a specific thing to be able to overcome that lock. Like unlocking a power. But in the context of Destiny, that doesn't sound very Metroidvania, that sounds like "to unlock story mission D and E, you must complete story mission A, B, and C first. But you can do those in any order." Which yea sounds a little more like vanilla D1. Are they trying to actually invoke more from the Metroidvania genre? If so, what else? Idk it's a real any 3D action melee game being a "souls-like" just because it has like 1 or 2 elements from the souls games situation. Does it being Rise of Iron sized mean very literally. Like 5 story missions, 2 strikes, and a raid? How are they going to change the seasonal story formula? Will it just be voice lines in missions and stuff? Or are they trying something we've never seen before?

[@adamweaver5097]

My thoughts for the dungeon- Archon Priest rezzed by Fikrul. Ice Breaker back and I just remember that was one of the only guns that let me beat that strike back in the day lol.

[@DeathsPit00]

For the 2 pieces of concept art I think the first one might be the Pacifist Guardian/Human colony that Efrideet is a member of. Now that the Witness has been defeated and the chances of a second Collapse happening very small there's likely less of a reason to keep it hidden in the occupants eyes and it would make sense to have any other survivors rejoin the rest of humanity. As for the second one, I don't think this is the same location as the first, but beyond that I have absolutely no idea where it could actually be.

[@LUISMARTINEZ-yd1bf]

New outro line goes hard

[@MeguSplosion]

7:22 i recently did the old inverted spire was quite a suprise to get it in normal vanguard ops after years of not seeing it 13:15 maybe its where shiro and efrideet are?

[@KennyisLB]

Saw the Dev video with Egregore on EDZ Widows Court Onslaught, I was like "oh...that's not a good thing" vs. dealing with Pyramid tech. The lore of Egregore feeds off of anything with death, but also because it takes over whatever organic environment it's introduced into by default. And then saw it on Europa on Datto's channel, it made less sense for Egregore due to the environment, but then I was like maybe it's able to keep active due to the heat sources in Eventide Ruins. We kept calling Nessus a planet this season...so IDK what is considered a planet anymore in Destiny. The planet hopefully is not Eris for Apollo, for the fact Eris's report would have stated there were human ship remains; let alone that she and Mara Sov both would be able to sense people there. The crashed ships with what appear to be some sort of atmospheric scrubbers for terraforming look semi-Bray Tech, seems more like a series of unnamed ("not on the books" so to speak) colony ship(s) that was launched out of system before any of the Collapse. Like Clovis Bray had a ship(s) sent out to start a colony as for the purpose of resupply other colony ships for further system jumping in addition to Rasputin's direction. (Say late Golden Age, maybe before Rasputin was active overseer of system activity, still unsure if SIVA as built before or after Rasputin active...) It crashed due to whatever, main crew died, backup activated started terraforming, surface not habitable, underground is, but hostile life on planet or whatever. Lost contact with Sol due to Collapse happening, so whatever ships that would have followed up were stopped due to the Darkness coming (see what happened with Soteria), killed communications out of system by Rasputin, with some final signal burst that says Sol is basically lost, cut all contact, DARK FOREST type thing. Survive. For some reason SIVA(if they had it) deactivated due to whatever reason (maybe the Ship AI had some system crash that would take years to fix, or a Rasputin kill command to keep from drawing attention to the colony through SIVA activity during the Collapse) for the survivors, some event happens resulting in loss of knowledge from Golden Age. Total societal collapse into old religious type worship of the engine/ship. No Surface Exploration, the ship bottom and stuff only exposure to surface. It's basically the Ship AI reactivated and realized would have to slowly educate the population. Only thing that throws me off is the fact of what appears to be a drained sea with the boat...a boat that is too "old tech" to have been built by space faring (ignoring the boats from Titan in game because that was just super lazy art direction) vs. even older style of a tech/resource limited human population that Apollo art shows.

[@Gunslinger8912]

I noticed at like 12:56 that the background of the concept art just looks like the cosmodrome. Like they made a sketch of the foreground and overlaid it

[@josephzemanek3953]

I know the banners don't seem to match up, but the idea crossed my mind that the strange human group could be the Concordat. It would be somewhat relevant, since that first skimmer we got was a gift from them.

[@Grayves_X]

I have thought thats a possibility, but from the visual information given to us it doesnt match in my mind. Those banners are definitely the same pattern as on those floating objects in the original concept art shown

[@jbradratel2103]

My thoughts on Frontiers: The narrative directors “secret door that was always there” strikes me like we’ll get inside the underpinnings of the system with someone we’ve already seen; this makes me think of the Nine and the underpinnings of the system, they’re history, and the struggle between the 5 and the 4. Maybe we won’t leave the solar system in frontiers but once we “figure out” how the Sol system works, we’ll be exposed to the idea of the Gardener and the Winnower and that will lead to us leaving the system. As for the picture with the worship scene showing a rocket, it really looks like the background of the Cosmodrome, any chance we could be going to our past or a time skip into the future where we’re restarting the Exodus program and now some new factions are “blessing” the new ships on their way out of the system?

[@Oaken_Hart]

“It’s on Enceladus” vibes on the art.

[@ironladyerimuth]

The symbol with concentric rings could be related to Hodiocentrism - the belief that the Traveler is the centre of the universe. Source: Hodiocentrist Bond, Year 1 Warlock class item.

[@mrsmi1ey]

honestly that dev live acknowledged more player feedback than any i've seen before... by like a lot. bungie really seems to be cooking now. i wonder if firing various leadership has something to do with that.

[@Miss_Trillium]

16:56 color wise I was kind of thinking io? But ganymede makes sense too

[@trichogaster1183]

13:44 cargo cult comes to mind

[@averagejordan8494]

My main concern is the amount of actual missions. Echoes basically had 4 missions in it. The opening one, the end of act 1, the end of act 2, and the exotic mission. Everything else had no actual impact on the story and was very much busy work. And having us replay the exotic mission a minimum of 5 times is just ridiculous

[@Safeguard1]

I for one like the Seasonal Artifact, that Satchel looks pretty sweet! I've always liked the Artifacts, maybe one or two were meh but they've always been cool.

[@GustyGardens]

I think Bungie unwittingly gave us the reason Eliksni are being captured instead of being killed. In that segment there's a boss with a name that's something like "BOSS, THE ETHER FILLED" it wasn't exactly that, but similar. Anyway, I believe the Eliksni are being kept as a food source, like a vampire would keep live humans to feed on when needed. We know what Ether means to the Eliksni, especially those that believe in the old faith; it's their life-blood - their soul. What happens when Scorn consume ether straight from the tap? Not from a servitor, but from a living and breathing Eliksni. Ether that has essentially become a soul. The scorn were never mindless zombies, they were always vampires. The signs were always there, but we never actually noticed it until now.

[@ItsMricebear]

Man i really want that sci fi knight titan armor shown in the art

[@mikelj135]

The Slaughter House 5 had me excited. The possibility of unconventional time travel is fascinating for the destiny universe. Something causing us to be unstuck in time reliving past events is super cool in my opinion

[@Grayves_X]

Could be something similar, to the time rifts on Mars, but more chaotic

[@DeusExAngelo]

I think a major driving thing for me is that throughout Destiny's lifespan there was an ultimate enemy being built toward: The "Darkness"/The Black Fleet/The Witness. A big bad that was slowly crawling toward us with each year and that would be the ultimate foe we faced. To BUNGIE's credit I think they nailed that with The Witness. Not only that, we stopped it from remaking the universe inside of the very being that originally gave us our Ghost and our powers. It is here we also harmonized Light and Darkness, reuniting the fundamental paracasual forces of reality. While I am still bummed The Final Shape didn’t answer major questions I had about the truth of The Traveler, The Veil, and the Collapse...it was still overall a great expansion to end the decade long saga. I bring this up because after The Final Shape, all the other threats and mysteries in Destiny just...don't feel as compelling or threatening. Our Guardians saved the universe. We mastered the very forces that created and underpin that universe. The Big Bad is gone. Everything else feels like more or less like clean-up. My Guardians journey feels complete. So I am hoping Frontiers gives a brand new impetus. Not just expanding and exploring but a tangible issue. Is the Valence becoming an issue that threatens the universe? Will it require gathering the Echoes to stop? Will The Traveler and The Veil ultimately need to be reunited? Heck, at this point I feel liks it may have been a better option to go with a Destiny 3 and start fresh. Especially with what we learned about the armor systems.

[@BaladanRua]

The Winnower isn't done yet......neither are the Guardians.

[@MuhammadAli-qk2fe]

Maybe the new destination is where the pacifist colony that Lady Effrideet joined is located. It would explain the human presence and what essentially looks like a meditation/temple-type area.

[@winpik237]

They said they were inspired by Scavengers Reign so it might be a human civilization that got stuck on an alien planet that adapted to it and created their own culture. That’s why there is an exhaust engine rocket thing being used as a object of worship or something like that.

[@LewisDoubleD1]

GOATS RECOGNISING GOATS (byf shouting out sticky)

[@wwr90]

5:29 flashbacks from Season of the Defiant here…

[@Marw123]

Will probably buy any new thing on Destiny 2, left my clan before summer so need to join another if im going to do that. The problem is still since the Witness died, it all feels...pointless. It was the end, at least of Destiny 2. If Destiny 3 was the next thing, fine, new stories could come from that. But Destiny 2 ended with the Witness for me. I still play the game, but not anywhere close to as much as before Final Shape. We'll see what happens in the future. Of course not watched the entire video yet, but always interesting listening to your opinion on these kinds of matters, so you got the like from me.

[@Muddogg83]

Apollo invokes the idea of being related to the Sun, which Lubrae had two suns and we did send a probe to those mysterious coordinates in a lore card. Not sure how much remains of that place after the destruction, though. Behemoth sounds very Cabal in nature so hopefully this is beyond Sol? Truly hope they greatly expand the new player experience though, new players are extremely important!

[@kylegibbins3282]

I’m optimistic

[@xeclipseshadow]

I am almost certainly thinking wishfully about this, but what about the idea that we're going to the distributory? The whole "its like a false book case, with a fake book thats been there the whole time" teaser and the concept art around the ritual stuff REALLY makes my awoken senses tingle. 19:40

[@williamschock3240]

I could potentially see all the leftovers from the tangled shore(hive, cabal, and scorn) following fikrul cause I mean like they'd have nowhere else to go.

[@seanmcclure]

I love this channel. I have been following it, even more now since the unfortunate activism that has crept into this game and infected every corner. If I see that they have toned it down me and my son will come back to the game.

[@thealmightydigichan]

28:21 I honestly hope that we get new changes to gameplay. For example this season (Echos) gameplay is very similar to season of the splicer. I’m just hoping for new and fresh activities that don’t make the game feel like a loop.

[@tristen9736]

I like the sound of destroying the seasonal story model. Even if the stories have been good in the last few seasons, doing the seasonal activity and going back to the helm to get a lore dump is just miserable. Also maybe it's a bit mean but I don't care if people miss storybeats when it's not shoved down their throat. That is their problem, not bungies.

[@carsonlake3842]

Those banners really remind me of the dead orbit symbol. I think it's gonna be some ancient ruin on a distant planet that the dead orbit has colonized. Also, I also thought that the second art reminded me of menzoberranzan, the dark elf city within the underdark.underarm. they build their great houses into stalactites and stalagmites.

[@Pip_NoSqueak]

Some of those banners in the first art concept piece, look very similar to Awoken signage. Particularly concentric arches and circles.

[@Phi_AU_]

Note re: Apollo. Human places we haven't seen... The pacificst colony that Lady Efrideet joined.

[@Saint_jw]

I'm just here for the Feydark references!!

[@R3li]

I'm a little concerned about the "non-linear" story. That sounds good on paper but that means they have to write interactions with the caveat that some players won't have seen certain other things. Star Wars Outlaws suffers from this. All the character interactions are generic to avoid confusion so there's not as much character development. The good interactions don't happen until the third act when the devs are sure you've seen all the important stuff. I think books, TV, movies, etc are mostly linear stories because that's how stories make sense.

[@ramz871]

I really want that mystery back. I want to look back into space and think theres things out there that we couldnt even imagine. Horrors that could beat us into submission. How dessilate and hrim the world felt back in D1. We have too many answers, too few corners left to check. We know too much. Bring back the unknown

[@thatsir9810]

This is exactly how I feel as well. Also make exotics extremely rare again, and legendaries actually rare again.

[@roachprime]

The flags in the concept art seems to be slightly similar to the Icarus Drifter Cloak. They have slightly different colors and they both like circles. Maybe nothing, but that might give a clue or two~

[@MuhammadAli-qk2fe]

Personally, I'm excited. As a huge lore fan, the story of Echos had potential but was a solid miss. The love stories were dull, overdone, and retconned arguably one of the best seasonal stories Bungie has ever done, season of Dawn. Revanent however looks cool. From the spooky/dark theme, fan-favorite characters like Fikrul, Crow, Mithrax returning, great gameplay choices such as a new onslaught mode and no craftable weapons, the new dungeon, and etc. Revanent is giving me Season of the Splicer vibes in terms of potential and I think everyone can agree that Season of the Splicer was one of the best seasons if not the best we have ever had in terms of story. I think Tyson and the crew have really cooked for this one.

[@SparkyShepard]

I hope in the future they address what happened with Mercury and IO. And why the witness wanted the places. Like Mars had the Spire and Titan had Ahsa. IO because of the tree of silver wings but why did the witness want the infinite garden? and where did those planets now go? Like going to new places and solar systems is cool and all but our solar system is still missing 2 planets and we don't know where they are

[@elliotlilly3835]

I'm really excited for the future of the game and the new places we'll go. I do hope at some point we get to explore more of earth like Old Chicago or even the Mumbai Push

[@ryancameron4170]

Fundament, Torobatl, Lubrae, maybe even the Awoken Distributary would be others I want to see explored also. But I do agree more of Earth should have been featured.

[@elliotlilly3835]

​@ryancameron4170 there's just so many places that we could go both in the Sol system and out. Pluto, Enceledus, Ceres, Eris, Riis, id even like to visit Phobos more honestly

[@ryancameron4170]

@@elliotlilly3835 Exactly, I also recall that 'Icy' planet Drifter's crew had got stranded on and where there were these 'shadow' creatures that were light suppressing. Speaking of mysteries, there's still the Aphelion's and as I recall from Season of the Wish lore, possibly seven surviving Ahamkara, and the fate of Taox (and perhaps any other proto-hive if there were any that escaped with her). So I'm still excited to see what will come in Destiny's future and hope it sees at least another decade of support if not more!

[@elliotlilly3835]

​@@ryancameron4170 I couldn't agree more

[@TheGinjaNinja946]

I think that Destiny would benefit from storytelling through the world. I would like our journey as a guardian to feel more impactful. I would like changes in NPC dialogue, changes to enemy density on planets after story events or dynamic stuff like that. Frontiers has the chance to make Destiny feel more alive. Right now the game world feels static despite the fact time passes.

[@SPKRoach]

FEYWILD MENTIONED LETS GO

[@thornhold822]

I think it could be the factions and where they went possibly, frontiers sounds like reconnecting with thoes groups or perhaps the awoken, maybe a splinter cell of them anyway.

[@en_demic]

I wonder if the planet is part of the Kepler planets, like Kepler-22 or something. It is a super-Earth, and I imagine such a planet might prove to be a perfect hub for all things “Metroidvania.”

[@jonathanmumbi8618]

I think this further than Ganymede. It might be closer to the Oort cloud.

[@danieldacorte8000]

We wont know how Revenant is till it comes out. But considering how reactionary they were about getting rid of the time-gating for Revenant missions (they shouldn't have designed around that time-gating in the first place) and the abysmal quality of Episode: Echoes (it was literally just a Season with extra time-gating), I dont think we can trust anything they say about scope or quality. They hyped up episodes SO MUCH (as much as they're now doing to Frontiers) so i bought the annual pass. Just for them to make us play one Exotic mission for the last three weeks of "story". Now there are rumors that Into the Light was meant to be the 10th Year Anniversary Event for Destiny, but was moved up 5 MONTHS just to generate hype for Final Shape in the wake of layoffs. And now EVERYTHING made moving forward will have: LESS people making LESS stuff with LESS MONEY than ever before and LESS PEOPLE playing the game than ever before. I literally can't think of any reason to trust anything Bungie says anymore. They lied about quality and scope for 18 of the last 21 MONTHS of content, why wouldn't they do so when they are more desperate for money than ever before?

[@jasonhernandez730]

I'm gonna say it here and now. Egregore is going to be retcon for the Scorn instead. It's like an eggshell with plasma or goo that hashes them out of it with dark energy. Since when the egregore is involved it's always the Scorn who are around the corner.

[@EB081997]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the art for the expansions that we saw is the mf Distributary; and that's so exciting.

[@DataButcher]

It’s about The Nine & entering a different dimension.

[@pahnazd]

27:42 Meant that no one had the chance to miss the narrative ... someone tell Jez

[@tysonkrunek4132]

The two poles instead of one will give us a more progressive story. I look forward to sharing lore bits I find when it releases.

[@jojomallory3159]

I just want E3 destiny. I was promised an MMO shooter and was given an arena shooter cloaked with MMO whispers. I just want the MMO feel with guns, which I’ve never gotten with destiny, which was the thing that got me excited for destiny in the first place.

[@jimmaginn2825]

I wonder if the energy being depicted in the concepts arts are possibly the last darkness subclass.

[@ryancameron4170]

Maybe, we have definitely had some others hints towards a 'Red' subclass / Nightmare related. From the recent mission in Final Shape that saw us returning to the Lunar Pyramid and the dialogue within that, and this one could be a bit of a stretch but this episode saw us collecting radiolite and placing it in the helm. There was a different coloured sample which could be said to represent the three light subclasses, prismatic, and currently two darkness.

[@Gunslinger8912]

I would hope the Shadow Legion are in Onslaught, theyre clearly aligning with Fikrul based on the key art. Dread in Onslaught are gonna be hell

[@BaladanRua]

Only the best Guardians will come out alive( Ghost revives don't count, lol )

[@peteraustin9057]

A humanoid civilization that's survived almost entirely underground? Rock and stone boys, we're headed to Hoxxes IV in Apollo